I realy do. I want to lose out. Anyone else think this is a good idea? If I was the owner I would pull the coaches aside and say lose out and this conversation never happened.
Quote: I realy do. I want to lose out. Anyone else think this is a good idea? If I was the owner I would pull the coaches aside and say lose out and this conversation never happened.
I can't root for them to lose, but if it happens, it happens.
The team themselves, the players, they need to win. They need to start building a culture of winning, and I do believe they are doing that right now, despite losing. They're playing their tails off, I just don't think they're all that great. I don't think any seed like that needs to be planted. This group doesn't need to be told to lose.
While there is a nice QB class this year, there is no Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning. In fact, the guy that the brass likes may not even be the guy at the top of every mock draft board....
We don't need the best guy, we need the right guy. Someone with all the tools, the mental toughness, the ability to adapt, and probably most of all, someone with the stones to change the attitude in Berea and on Sundays. A lot of that stuff isn't factored into mock drafts or 40 times. It's the stuff none of us know.
I've gone so far as to wonder if management truly had decided to tank the season, how exactly would they go about implementing that plan, and then how does that match up with what we have seen on the field?
The other alternative is that JeRod Cherry is correct and our players are just "soft", both mentally and physically.
Winning the last two might help us down the road, but losing the last two might help us more.
I do think we are very close to a turnaround. Just like last year, and the year before that, and ...................................................................... ................................................................................................. ................................................................................................., ever since Jim Brown retired. My first year as a Browns fan.
Quote: I've gone so far as to wonder if management truly had decided to tank the season, how exactly would they go about implementing that plan, and then how does that match up with what we have seen on the field?
They would never do that.... the only way you could pull that off without attracting suspicion is to go out and play really hard for the first half to 3/4 of the game, then if you are leading, abandon what you did to get there, start playing passive and make just enough mistakes to allow the other team to win in the end with a comeba.... Hey, WAIT A MINUTE!?!?!?!
It's that point in the season where I truly don't care one way or the other, but given that the Draft is all there is to look forward to - again - that is what I tend to start rooting for.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Santa appears to be coming early for you, cause with the way we're playing and now the injury bug seems to be coming back - losing seems inevitable for the Orange and Brown. Even if the "effort" from the players and staff is there...
Quote: I've gone so far as to wonder if management truly had decided to tank the season, how exactly would they go about implementing that plan, and then how does that match up with what we have seen on the field?
They would never do that.... the only way you could pull that off without attracting suspicion is to go out and play really hard for the first half to 3/4 of the game, then if you are leading, abandon what you did to get there, start playing passive and make just enough mistakes to allow the other team to win in the end with a comeba.... Hey, WAIT A MINUTE!?!?!?!
Now that's funny!
Nicely done.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
from a draft perspective... I want them to lose. From fan perspective... I want them to win every game no matter what.
I have been sort of pleased with the last few weeks, we've played well, competed and built leads, shown that we can play with pretty much anybody for most of the game.. the defensive collapses are sort of disturbing but losing isn't bothering me at this point.
Quote: I've gone so far as to wonder if management truly had decided to tank the season, how exactly would they go about implementing that plan, and then how does that match up with what we have seen on the field?
They would never do that.... the only way you could pull that off without attracting suspicion is to go out and play really hard for the first half to 3/4 of the game, then if you are leading, abandon what you did to get there, start playing passive and make just enough mistakes to allow the other team to win in the end with a comeba.... Hey, WAIT A MINUTE!?!?!?!
Now that's funny!
Nicely done.
I might raise an eyebrow if Campbell leads them down the field for a game winning score, only to put Weeden in there once they get to 1st & goal....
from a draft perspective... I want them to lose. From fan perspective... I want them to win every game no matter what.
And this is exactly where my apathy for the Browns comes from.
It's like this every December. I can't get excited over a win, but I can't get excited over a loss, either.
So I just don't even care.
It's even tougher this time around because it's not like we can talk about a young QB getting his reps in so he can build toward next year. We're talking about Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden. That's bottom of the barrel stuff right there man.
I mean there are only a few guys who really need the experience reps... Mingo, Schwartz, maybe McFadden, maybe this Baker kid...
Quote: I realy do. I want to lose out. Anyone else think this is a good idea? If I was the owner I would pull the coaches aside and say lose out and this conversation never happened.
Murphys Law. Prepare yourself for another let down.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
We've seen many,many times over the past decade plus that winning a meaningless game in Dec.does absolutely nothing for the next year. They should be worrying about getting their lockers cleaned out and getting their travel plans worked out.Just lose both games and get another horrible season over with.
I have never wanted us to lose out in any season ..... and we seem to lose out on the players who might help us most as a result of winning a meaningless game here or there.
If the short term pain of a 4 win season helps us get the QB to lead this team for the next 10 years, then lose baby lose. We need to find our QB if we are ever to escape this perpetual 4-5 win status.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: They would never do that.... the only way you could pull that off without attracting suspicion is to go out and play really hard for the first half to 3/4 of the game, then if you are leading, abandon what you did to get there, start playing passive and make just enough mistakes to allow the other team to win in the end with a comeba.... Hey, WAIT A MINUTE!?!?!?!
Your post is riddled with agenda! You hate the new FO and coaching staff! It's SO obvious!
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Sorry, I just can't get with this line of thinking, and here's why:
Sucking for draft picks is a loser's mentality. It sends the message to the current players that they are of less value than some college kid who isn't even yet on the team.
Besides, we've seen a decade of high draft picks from being losers, and what have they gotten us?
I prefer to see the team play to win, and put the responsibility of good drafting where it belongs- the FO. If they are any good at all at their jobs, they choose well for us, no matter where those picks fall. If they suck like previous regimes did, it won't matter either... they pay money to scrubs like we always have.
Quote: It sends the message to the current players that they are of less value than some college kid who isn't even yet on the team.
I see....
Quote: If they suck like previous regimes did, it won't matter either... they pay money to scrubs like we always have.
So you want to send a real positive message to the scrubs that we believe in you?
When you are 4-12 or whatever we finish, the players are smart enough to know that means some of them have to go... even good teams, heck even the players in Seattle, know that come draft day they are going to be replaced......
My bet is that the Browns players have a much better idea, having sat in the film room all year and listened to the coaches, of who that is going to be... Those who are receiving this message as "they would trust a rookie draft pick more than me?" probably have a very good reason for feeling that way.
Quote: It's that point in the season where I truly don't care one way or the other, but given that the Draft is all there is to look forward to - again - that is what I tend to start rooting for.
Exactly how I feel. Two garbage time wins won't change any culture. We had those games vs Cincy and Pitt in back to back weeks and failed miserably. In order to change the culture those are the Kind of games you have to win
#gmstrong
"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
Quote: They would never do that.... the only way you could pull that off without attracting suspicion is to go out and play really hard for the first half to 3/4 of the game, then if you are leading, abandon what you did to get there, start playing passive and make just enough mistakes to allow the other team to win in the end with a comeba.... Hey, WAIT A MINUTE!?!?!?!
Your post is riddled with agenda! You hate the new FO and coaching staff! It's SO obvious!
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
At this point losing out doesn't really help us. There aren't any real QBs we can get with 4 wins and we can't get Clowney, so we might as well win out and go out on the upswing.
JMO
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
True, but just ask Grossi and the masses..............Banner, Lombardi, Farmer, and Chud are way worse than the previous regime. It will be interesting to see if we can actually make two worse picks than TRich and Weeden in this draft. According to Grossi and all the football experts around here, it should be no contest.
Maybe we'll take Carlos Hyde and Hundley in the first round. Now, that's exciting.
Quote: They would never do that.... the only way you could pull that off without attracting suspicion is to go out and play really hard for the first half to 3/4 of the game, then if you are leading, abandon what you did to get there, start playing passive and make just enough mistakes to allow the other team to win in the end with a comeba.... Hey, WAIT A MINUTE!?!?!?!
Your post is riddled with agenda! You hate the new FO and coaching staff! It's SO obvious!
You guys should be in one of those movies about sororities. Your bullying techniques are about as masculine as theirs.
I don't care about all that. This is a situation that comes about yearly.Is it better to lose to gain draft position,or to win and gain some carry over momentum for the next year? If momentum can be carried forward. These guys have been playing football alot of years.They know they had a shot,and blew it.That's what should carry over to next year,not some meaningless win over another team that's all ready started packing away their gear also. So I say lose,pick early,pick often.
No one knows really. I can't say if this past draft they acquired as much talent as they could have,I have neither the time nor the energy to get that involved,but it was smart,shrewd even. That's a good thing.
We've played this "lose for draft position" for too long, and what's it gotten us? Yet another year of "lose for draft position". It's obvious that doesn't work.
The redskins gave up the house for RG3. Seemed to work for part of a year. How many playoff games were they in last year? Or this year?
The colts sucked for Luck..............what has that gotten them?
No more "sucking for draft picks" IMO......win. Now. If it costs us a spot or 2 in the draft, so be it. Win the freaking game!!!
Quote: At this point losing out doesn't really help us. There aren't any real QBs we can get with 4 wins and we can't get Clowney, so we might as well win out and go out on the upswing.
JMO
I love watching Browns football and will always root for them to win. But, if we lose out, theoretically we could be picking as high as 3 or 4. I do think we have a shot at Clowney and I also think we would be foolish to pass on him for a qb (TB excepted). All championship teams have elite, star players, and that is where we are lacking. He's about a sure thing as you can get in this draft. I know we're deep along the D line, but I don't think we can go wrong by selecting Clowney.
I recently attended a workshop where the theme was to continue to pour resources into areas of strength, not ignoring them for the sake spreading yourself thin addressing every weak area. In other words, keep the focus on what you're good at and keep the other areas serviceable. I really think these ideas can apply to a football franchise. As someone mentioned in an earlier post, every championship team has weak areas where the talent level is lacking.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
I live in SC and I think Clowney is extremely overrated as a football player.
Yes, he is a physical freak. Yes, he makes great plays.
However, he is not in very good condition. He gambles all the time and is easily suckered. He is not a gamer. He is inconsistent and underachieves.
Yes, he has the physical skills to be great, but I think he lacks the mental capacity and drive to be elite. I would pass on this guy. It could come back to haunt me, but I'll take those odds.
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