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Back to back playoff appearances and a division crown?
Touche. So, who do you want to "suck" for this year?
Tank for Teddy!
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Sure,why not.I also think Weeden should have to finish this year out,as he helped drive it into the dirt,so let him finish it there as a last goodbye.I'm already looking forward to the offseason and think this team is finally going to make that elusive jump.Come on Browns,just one more for the flipper.....lolol 
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The colts sucked for Luck..............what has that gotten them?
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Back to back playoff appearances and a division crown?
Touche. So, who do you want to "suck" for this year?
Teddy Bridgewater
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you know the Redskins won the NFC East with RG3 last year too right...? Your idea isn't bad, but your examples were the worst you could have possibly came up with.
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I've gone so far as to wonder if management truly had decided to tank the season, how exactly would they go about implementing that plan, and then how does that match up with what we have seen on the field?
They would never do that.... the only way you could pull that off without attracting suspicion is to go out and play really hard for the first half to 3/4 of the game, then if you are leading, abandon what you did to get there, start playing passive and make just enough mistakes to allow the other team to win in the end with a comeba.... Hey, WAIT A MINUTE!?!?!?!
I just had one of those moments after reading that.. I thought, damn, I wish I'd have said that.. 
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Sure,why not.I also think Weeden should have to finish this year out,as he helped drive it into the dirt,so let him finish it there as a last goodbye.I'm already looking forward to the offseason and think this team is finally going to make that elusive jump.Come on Browns,just one more for the flipper.....lolol
He he...
I will never go on record as saying I want the Browns to lose. Oh, wait a minute, I already have numerous times this week in the other forum.
Its really hard to admit. But, you have to hope that someday this is just going to turn around. We can still jump up a slot, or two if we get lucky. That would add something to the off season.
Sit Haden and pretend that everything Campbell says is unintelligable.
"Jason, you must be having recuring symptoms from your recent concussions. Lets have the doctor take a look."
Do you guys have confidence that the Jets will put out for Rex? Seems like, feels like, he's done.
OK, I got it. A typical, annual Brown's ending. Weeden throws for 400 yards and four touchdowns to Gordon. Seems like something like this happens every year.
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GOOD GOD IS THAT BRANDON WEEDEN'S MUSIC????
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that's funny... i thought the same thing about haynesworth when he came out.
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Yep, play hard, but lose out. Nothing meaningful in a win now.
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Your bullying techniques are about as masculine as theirs.
Yep! We're a bunch of bullies and you're a helpless martyr.
Good luck selling that one.
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I hope that we get 6 really awful calls that go against us in the final 10 minutes of the game that cost us 2 TD and the game. Kind of like a repeat of the Pats game, but amplified slightly.
I can take losing if we get really bad calls by the officials that go against us so I can blame them instead of it being the team's fault.
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Not trying to sell it. And I am far from helpless. So, you and your sisters can all kiss my butt.
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So, you and your sisters can all kiss my butt.
Sorry, we're all on a fat free diet for the holidays.
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True, but just ask Grossi and the masses..............Banner, Lombardi, Farmer, and Chud are way worse than the previous regime. It will be interesting to see if we can actually make two worse picks than TRich and Weeden in this draft. According to Grossi and all the football experts around here, it should be no contest.
Maybe we'll take Carlos Hyde and Hundley in the first round. Now, that's exciting.
The new regime has yet to prove they are better than any of the past regimes.
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Theyve proven competence on a much greater scale already...
- They put together a QB corps that has allowed this team to not completely implode despite NUMEROUS injuries
- They have assembled a GM, Coach, and FO that are on the SAME PAGE...that hasnt happened here in years.
- In fact our FO actually put together a reasonable coaching search. They interviewed a number of guys and hired the guy that they thought was best.
- Our staff hasnt had a team come out unprepared.
- We have played every game with a chance to win...except for two. Both of which Weeden started...who has proven incompetent and was only given chances after being benched due to injury.
- Were aggressive in our coaching decisions.
- With our FO decisions.
- We got the great side of a trade...in season
- We got the good side of two trades in the draft last season
- We drafted players that have not been HORRIBLE busts...Mingo has 5 sacks which is more than we've had an individual get since Wimbley had 10 as a rookie and Benard had 7.5
- weve effectively worked the waiver wire and practice squad pickins...
This regime has already proven its competence...and as long as they continue...theres evidence leading to the fact that theyll be the best management and coaching staff since we were reinstated.
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Theyve proven competence on a much greater scale already...
- They put together a QB corps that has allowed this team to not completely implode despite NUMEROUS injuries
- They have assembled a GM, Coach, and FO that are on the SAME PAGE...that hasnt happened here in years.
- In fact our FO actually put together a reasonable coaching search. They interviewed a number of guys and hired the guy that they thought was best.
- Our staff hasnt had a team come out unprepared.
- We have played every game with a chance to win...except for two. Both of which Weeden started...who has proven incompetent and was only given chances after being benched due to injury.
- Were aggressive in our coaching decisions.
- With our FO decisions.
- We got the great side of a trade...in season
- We got the good side of two trades in the draft last season
- We drafted players that have not been HORRIBLE busts...Mingo has 5 sacks which is more than we've had an individual get since Wimbley had 10 as a rookie and Benard had 7.5
- weve effectively worked the waiver wire and practice squad pickins...
This regime has already proven its competence...and as long as they continue...theres evidence leading to the fact that theyll be the best management and coaching staff since we were reinstated.
None of that matters if they don't translate into wins.
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Theyve proven competence on a much greater scale already...
- They put together a QB corps that has allowed this team to not completely implode despite NUMEROUS injuries
- They have assembled a GM, Coach, and FO that are on the SAME PAGE...that hasnt happened here in years.
- In fact our FO actually put together a reasonable coaching search. They interviewed a number of guys and hired the guy that they thought was best.
- Our staff hasnt had a team come out unprepared.
- We have played every game with a chance to win...except for two. Both of which Weeden started...who has proven incompetent and was only given chances after being benched due to injury.
- Were aggressive in our coaching decisions.
- With our FO decisions.
- We got the great side of a trade...in season
- We got the good side of two trades in the draft last season
- We drafted players that have not been HORRIBLE busts...Mingo has 5 sacks which is more than we've had an individual get since Wimbley had 10 as a rookie and Benard had 7.5
- weve effectively worked the waiver wire and practice squad pickins...
This regime has already proven its competence...and as long as they continue...theres evidence leading to the fact that theyll be the best management and coaching staff since we were reinstated.
None of that matters if they don't translate into wins.
it's been one season... i know occassionally you can go from a losing record to the playoffs with a complete and total overhaul in one year... but it doesn't happen often...
to me this off-season will be much more telling on how this FO is going to do and what direction the team will go...
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But ALL of it matters if you're not one of those "I want wins and I want them NOW!" crowd.
It's the end of YEAR ONE.
One other point to consider: this FO/coaching staff had the Browns playing truly relevant football games well into the month of November. When was the last time this fan base had the luxury of even entertaining playoff dreams in mid-Novemeber? That 3-game skid tanked any chance of a playoff appearance, but Dawg- even the games they lost didn't look like the kind of Browns football we're used to seeing even in late October. And they did it with players who were essentially strangers to them in April.
All things considered, I'm more impressed than disappointed with what I saw this year. Despite the losses, I at least see potential. I can't recall the last time I could say that about a Browns team that sits 4-10 with 2 games left.
If you're anything other than a hardazz "wins only" purist, you've GOT to see that much....
or- maybe not.
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There's 4-12.... then there's 4-12*.
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If you're happy with 4-12, great. I'm not. I'm sick of losing. And I'm not going to be convinced this FO is the solution until they prove they can get the wins.
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I'm not happy with 4-12,but 4-12 or 6-10 is really no difference, except for draft position.
Man, I can't think of a single Colts fan who is upset that they tanked, intentionally or not, and wound up with Luck as a result.
I would rather go 4-12 and be in position to get our QB, then to go 6-10 and miss out yet again.
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I really don't care one way or the other because a part of me isn't going to feel good no matter which way it goes. I suppose if I had to pick, just lose them and lets get this over .
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I'm not happy with 4-12,but 4-12 or 6-10 is really no difference, except for draft position.
Aside from the intangibles (mindset, attitudes,etc), that is essentially correct...
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If you're happy with 4-12, great. I'm not. I'm sick of losing. And I'm not going to be convinced this FO is the solution until they prove they can get the wins.
It's not about being happy with 4-12. It's not about being satisfied with 4-12. No one can be satisfied with that. It's about being content to let this regime finish what it started without an unreasonable "I want it NOW!" attitude.
Here's your cake. It's in a bowl with a spoon. Sorry it's kinda sloppy, but you wanted it now.
Every new regime is a new cake in the oven. It takes time to bake. Wanting it done in one season might be an unreasonable expectation.
While you're waiting, consider the ingredients. If the ingredients list looks like it could be a good cake when it's done then sit back and wait for it to bake. If you don't like the ingredients then of course you likely won't like the cake. But then, once it's done you might give it a taste and find you like it just fine.
It's 7:30am. I'm drinking my first coffee. I must want a doughnut or something.
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We won a lot of games under Mangini to close out his 1st year.
We went 5-11 the next year.
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I can't speak for other posters. I like most of what I've seen from this FO so far.
I just believe many, myself included, want to see more than "what's on paper" before proclaiming this FO and coaching staff is so much better than the many that have come before them.
I don't see many calling for anyone to be fired or actually down on this regime. Yet I do see some who are not content in calling them a huge upgrade until they actually turn the team around.
I mean you can look to some of the moves they've made and call them positive. Did we get a good trade with TRich? Yes. But if they use that pick and the player turns out to be a bust, what did we really gain? So as of now, the jury is out on how much we will gain from that pick. On paper, it was a great deal. But nobody can say what the actual results will be.
We signed two key FA's and spent a #6 pick on Mingo based on the fact we were going to have a lot of sacks with an attacking style of D. yet we haven't seen that. People point to the Bryant injury, yet posters said with all of the depth that we had, an injury or two wouldn't hurt our front seven.
We were told how there will be group decisions in the draft and Banner, Lombardi, Horton, Chud and Farmer will all be involved. That everyone will have input and work as a unit. while that sounds great in theory, we have yet to see how well this group will do.
So the fact remains, that in the only stat that matter, wins, nothing has been proven. The jury is still out on whether they are actually any better or not. Results are what matter and so far, the results are basically the same.
That doesn't mean they're bad. That doesn't mean they won't accomplish what they have set out to do. What I believe it does mean, is that as a fan base, it's quite reasonable for people to be cautious and not give them tons of credit until they show progress in the win column.
Because no matter the list of things people can come up with to "claim" they're better, we simply aren't seeing it on the field, where it really matters so far.
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I just believe many, myself included, want to see more than "what's on paper" before proclaiming this FO and coaching staff is so much better than the many that have come before them.
Here's the thing I don't understand: Why the competition between this regime and the previous regime? That's the last of what I give a crap about. The current games are played on the field and coached by the current coaching staff with players who were previously on the roster and those the current FO brings in. Where does the previous regime figure in at all?
I just don't understand the pissing match.
Sure, I thought Heckert was doing well and was sorry he was let go. But I realize that a new owner is likely going to want his guys, the guys he hired, to run the team, his team.
If he keeps the old guys he's going to feel like an outsider to a degree, the new guy so to speak. Hiring his own people makes sense if he wants things to be his way from the start. So I'm ok with releasing the old regime.
God knows I'm used to it.
Initially I was extremely reluctant on Banner and Lombardi. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons as we've all discussed them to no end already. But many of my reasons were based on hearsay and I knee-jerked my opinion. Having read more on him and then hearing him talk about the team I realized he is a smart dude, very savvy, shrewd and detailed. I actually trust him to look out for the best interest of the team, including his hiring of Lombardi.
We'll see how it works out.
They basically said from the beginning that this was going to be an evaluation year. Their actions of not spending in FA to "win now" but to take a look at some unknown contributors showed that to be true. The especially needed to know what they had in Weeden. I thought everybody understood that. Well, now they know. They also know a bit about some other players who were question marks heading into this year. So far I think it worked for the best.
One of the worst things that could happen to derail a teams success is to have to start multiple QBs and this year we have flip-flopped back and forth due to injuries, benchings and further injuries. No team can sustain any consistency through that. So it is what it is. We are what we are.
No one should be surprised. Blaming this and blaming that is all just mental exercise and some fans way to deal with yet another losing season. See the good. See the bad. Hope for the future. That's all we got, it's all we're going to get. It is what it is because of what it is.
I don't believe the FO and/or current regime is to blame for a lackluster year nor do I believe any other regime we've had would have fared any better given all the current situations and circumstances. Besides, past regimes don't even play into this other than having brought in players who are being evaluated this year. Good or bad, so what?!
I agree with you that "what's on paper" is only that. This regime/FO doesn't deserve a glowing approval nor a scathing pan. What they deserve is a chance. Something no other regime has gotten since our return.
A chance to finish what they started.
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Here's the thing I don't understand: Why the competition between this regime and the previous regime?
I believe it's more of a comparison than a competition. Seems like a total instinct to compare things..
We compare people... food...cars...ect... What don't we compare ? Just seems to be something to do...
As far as wanting to lose...That's tough ! All the variables in losing seems hard to accept... All the fans who spend hard earned money to support the team by going to games and buying team gear... lots of money spent just to see another loss...
And to lose for a draft pick... that's hard for me to digest...simply due to the fact that year after year we want to do that...And I haven't really seen any substantial gains from it...
For myself...at this time of the season with the record we have..It's easier for me to just not care... then to want to lose....I don't know...It's just very difficult for me..
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And to lose for a draft pick... that's hard for me to digest..
Me too.
I feel good when we win. I feel bad when we lose. I'm sure the players and coaches are the same. Screw wanting to lose for some unknown draft pick. That's not even football.
It reminds of rooting against your team so you can win your fantasy league. Or rooting against your team because of a bet you placed. You may win your league, you may win your bet, you may win a higher draft pick. None of that is football.
Win the games.
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We all hate losing. However, it seems like we have "just missed out" on players in the past, and I want the best possible QB out of this lost season.
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I want to lose too. That is different than saying that I hope the coaches or players throw the game. I don't. I just think it's in the team's long-term best interest to lose at this point and I couldn't care less between going 4-12, 5-11, or 6-10. We aren't playing for anything at this point except instant gratification.
I said this in another thread but if we had just lost a couple crappy games in recent years, Cam or Luck would be our QB right now (and we wouldn't have had to give up extra picks for Luck for that matter.)
Or maybe you don't care much about QB. If that is somebody's thought... so be it. Earlier picks still have more value than later picks. Somebody mentioned the RG3 trade... well we would be the Rams in that situation picking up the extra picks.
I want a franchise QB and if I can't have that, I want game changing talent like a Calvin Johnson or Von Miller. Or give me some extra first and second rounders. Just stop winning 4 or 5 games. Make some noise in the playoffs or just go 2-14 already and get it over with.
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I would not want them to lose out. For what purpose? Is there an Andrew Luck in the draft this year that I am unaware of? I want the Browns to win every week except when they play America's team. I want the Browns to win the last two games and improve on their record from last year. Our defense is porous in the second half of games and our offense has come to life lately, outside of the rushing game. There is a lot to be excited about with the Browns. A 4-12 season would be a major disappointment. I want to beat Pittsburgh and the Jets. The Browns have no one to blame but themselves for their predicament and I hope they learned some valuable lessons this season. Weeden is not the answer but he is not the problem either. Campbell is not the answer nor is he the problem. Right now the defense is the issue and I do not see how losing out helps with some super draft pick that will change anything. GO BROWNS!!
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I would not want them to lose out. For what purpose? Is there an Andrew Luck in the draft this year that I am unaware of?
First, welcome to the board.
To the topic at hand...
You don't want the Browns to lose out...unless Andrew Luck is coming out. So it's not really about the principal but the circumstance. You're fine with the Browns losing out as long as it's worth it, but in this case you perceive there to be no value in the draft worthy of losing games.
My point is that more people haven't truly thought it through regarding how they truly feel. This isn't a black-and-white thing. If Luck was staring us in the face far more fans would be on-board with losing out, though admitting it would be the truly tough part.
I want us to lose out. I have since our playoff chances died with the last big loss. The coaches? They absolutely must be fully invested in winning while allowing nothing to get in the way. That's their job. The players? Same thing. It's their job to give 100% and try to win the game. I expect nothing less from any employee of the Browns than to give it their all. But I don't work for the Browns, and I'm exceedingly pragmatic by nature. I want us to lose every game on the last play where a kicker hits a 60-yarder. I want an improved draft position which gives us a greater chance of success in the future.
I saw a comment...and I'll apologize for not going back through and finding it while also apologizing if it seems I'm calling someone out...which stated that we've gained draft positions in the past when we've lost out the year and it's gotten us nowhere so what's the point. That is terribly flawed thinking, akin to the lunacy which has been uttered more than once on this board which stated we haven't done well drafting high in the first round so we might as well just trade down and get more picks. 
From the perspective of only me where I'm sitting on my couch, I want the team to lose out. I expect the players to try to win and the coaches to gameplan to do just that. That is their job. I don't have that binding obligation. At this point all I see is an opportunity to better our draft position which gives us a greater chance of success. I want the team to play well but lose each game on a fluke, hail-mary, or record-breaking field goal.
There's nothing wrong with being pragmatic and looking towards the future. Some of the most basic fundamentals of success include the words sacrificing today so you can gain for tomorrow. I'm not paid by the Browns to win a game. The coaches and players are. They have that obligation. I'm a fan, and as such am unfettered from that restraint. I see the ultimate goal as winning the Super Bowl and we have 0% chance of reaching that goal this year. It's mathematically impossible. Thus, I look to see how we can best reach that goal next year. The best thing that can happen for this team in that regard is to lose the rest of their games in the most positive way possible. That won't guarantee success but it does offer the best way to improve the odds, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Regarding "America's team" I live in Texas and laugh at Jerry Jones as a GM. He's an amazing business man and I would never begrudge him his ability to play with his toys. It's his team and he can do what he wants with them. But he has created a laughing-stock of a mess over there and I couldn't be happier for the result. The Cowboys stopped being beloved by America years ago. Those days died in the 90's.
And, good sir, Weeden was most definitely part of the problem.
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I would not want them to lose out. For what purpose? Is there an Andrew Luck in the draft this year that I am unaware of? I want the Browns to win every week except when they play America's team. I want the Browns to win the last two games and improve on their record from last year. Our defense is porous in the second half of games and our offense has come to life lately, outside of the rushing game. There is a lot to be excited about with the Browns. A 4-12 season would be a major disappointment. I want to beat Pittsburgh and the Jets. The Browns have no one to blame but themselves for their predicament and I hope they learned some valuable lessons this season. Weeden is not the answer but he is not the problem either. Campbell is not the answer nor is he the problem. Right now the defense is the issue and I do not see how losing out helps with some super draft pick that will change anything. GO BROWNS!!
Again, I agree with you bro (except with the Weeden remark). Win the games! That's what they earn their paychecks to do. Losing games gets you nothing. The past half-decade should prove that to everyone.
Winning the games is how a team develops respect. It's how they continue to garner that respect. Losing accomplishes nothing. Yes, I know, you get better draft position, but unless you can turn that draft pick into something remarkable over some other selection two spots further down, what's the point?
Stop the 'Woe is me! Woe are we!" garbage already. The Browns need to win these games. A bonus that I heard today is that the Browns could, by winning, eliminate the Steelers. Not sure how that is true (it wasn't explained by Rich Eisen on NFL Gameday who made the statement), but if it's true, that's a reason to want to win.
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And, good sir, Weeden was most definitely part of the problem.
He's a product of us losing out.. That's just icing on the cake.... Lets look like losers and lose games... so we can look like losers when we draft losers.....
See what losing gets ya ? 
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Thank you for the welcome. To me the draft is important but is it that big of a difference between #1 overall and #5 overall this year? I am not that big of a draft analyst and I would love to play one here but that would be silly of me. I just want the Browns to win. Living in New York now, I see the Jets, the Bills and... *crosses himself* the Giants all the time. The Jets offense is horrible. The Bills are the AFC East Browns, the Giants are a boil on the rear of the NFL... well maybe the Eagles are but it is too close to be sure which is the worst. I agree that Jerry Jones has made it hard to be a Cowboys fan but part of being a fan is you love them win or lose. I just hope they win more than they lose. I watch the Browns on television with my brother who is a huge Browns fan. (waves at anarchy2day) A Browns versus Cowboys Super Bowl would make me happy, of course a Cowboys win in that game would be best.  As for Weeden, he did not give up 30+ points in 2 of the last 3 games. I was not a big Weeden fan when they drafted him but I did not see him as the reason the Browns lost so much last year. I thought it was more coaching than player performance. I think the coaching is better this year, the team has grown a little this year, (except for 2 yards short of the first down Bess). I am not thinking draft for the Browns yet. Just win baby. Voleur
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And, good sir, Weeden was most definitely part of the problem.
He's a product of us losing out.. That's just icing on the cake.... Lets look like losers and lose games... so we can look like losers when we draft losers.....
See what losing gets ya ?
Thank you...now I'm depressed
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Here's the thing I don't understand: Why the competition between this regime and the previous regime? That's the last of what I give a crap about. The current games are played on the field and coached by the current coaching staff with players who were previously on the roster and those the current FO brings in. Where does the previous regime figure in at all?
I just don't understand the pissing match.
I believe you misunderstood the intent of what I was saying.
It has nothing to do with comparing at all. The point I was trying to make is that we've all held out so much hope with regime changes in the past. Most posters have found reasons for hope, positive signs that give us some confidence level in at least one, if not more of the previous regimes. Yet so far, everyone of them have failed.
We looked at "what was on paper" to give us that hope. My post wasn't to knock this FO or coaching staff. It was more to say I'm not going to get giddy or over confident in them, or any group running this team anymore until they show some results.
I would also like to point out that I didn't expect a lot of success this year. In the prediction thread I predicted 6-10. Most people predicted a better record than that. I saw the exact things you pointed out.
I don't really care about past regimes. All I know is they have all failed after many of us got excited, built our hopes up based on what we saw on paper before positive results were actually shown in the W/L column.
So it's more that I've learned from my mistakes than anything else. Point being, I haven't judged them one way or the other. I don't plan to give them the benefit of the doubt, nor will I crucify them. It's far too early in the process for that to even enter into things.
What I will do over time, is base my feelings on results. I won't get too excited over any draft until I see how those players turn out and perform. If by their third season we aren't playing 8-8 ball, I will begin to think they're just like others who have been here. Success is measured by W's and L's.
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We'll see how it works out.
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I agree with you that "what's on paper" is only that. This regime/FO doesn't deserve a glowing approval nor a scathing pan. What they deserve is a chance. Something no other regime has gotten since our return.
A chance to finish what they started.
And I didn't try to attack them what so ever. I bolded the way I feel. The only comparison I am looking at compared to past regimes is success versus failure.
While so many have looked at what's on paper in the past to get excited to predict success only for it to end in failure, I do not plan to follow that path. I plan to watch it play out and look at things accordingly.
If over time they fail, they will be like past FO's. If they succeed, they will be different. It's really that simple.
JMHO
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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You know Pit, I wasn't correcting you or arguing with anything you said. At least I don't believe I was.
I picked a quote of yours to use as my topic. My rant wasn't really aimed AT you. I was just stating my opinion using your quote as a jumping off point. Not a target.
I agree with a great deal of what you said in that post and again in this one.
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