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Let me draw attention to the last verse
not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
This is an example of why we may say we don't approve
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Anyhow would like to say you make good points and express your points much better than I do.
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You're allowed to believe. Just don't let your beliefs suppress the freedoms which every adult should be granted regardless of sexual orientation, skin color, or religious belief.
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If you are talking about the verse from Romans, I believe that verse is talking about eternal death, not killing someone.
It says very plainly that homosexuals deserve to die.
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If you are talking about the verse from Romans, I believe that verse is talking about eternal death, not killing someone.
It says very plainly that homosexuals deserve to die.
"who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them."
It does not say to kill anyone. It says that knowing the righteous judgement of God, those who practice such things are deserving of death", not to kill them. Death is in conjunction with the righteous judgement of God.
That is how I read it.
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You're allowed to believe. Just don't let your beliefs suppress the freedoms which every adult should be granted regardless of sexual orientation, skin color, or religious belief.
I'm not sure where Robertson tried to suppress anyone's freedom from your above list. I was replying to someone who wants Robertson ostracized because of "archaic" beliefs. I merely pointed out that to go Hester Prynne on the guy would be archaic in itself.
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If you are talking about the verse from Romans, I believe that verse is talking about eternal death, not killing someone.
It says very plainly that homosexuals deserve to die.
"who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them."
It does not say to kill anyone. It says that knowing the righteous judgement of God, those who practice such things are deserving of death", not to kill them. Death is in conjunction with the righteous judgement of God.
That is how I read it.
You don't see where it say homosexuals deserve to die in the phrase "knowing the righteous judgement of God, those who practice such things are deserving of death"?
The twists and turns people make to try and find logic in that book is something else.
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If you are talking about the verse from Romans, I believe that verse is talking about eternal death, not killing someone.
It says very plainly that homosexuals deserve to die.
"who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them."
It does not say to kill anyone. It says that knowing the righteous judgement of God, those who practice such things are deserving of death", not to kill them. Death is in conjunction with the righteous judgement of God.
That is how I read it.
You don't see where it say homosexuals deserve to die in the phrase "knowing the righteous judgement of God, those who practice such things are deserving of death"?
The twists and turns people make to try and find logic in that book is something else.
Not at all.
How many people did Jesus demand be killed?
How many did he even suggest that His followers kill?
The answer, of course, would be none.
Jesus preached forgiveness, but that the only way to the Father is through Him. He forgave Mary Magdalene. He (God) forgave Saul, even though Saul prosecuted the followers of Jesus. Jesus did not destroy sinners. He forgave those who asked. It did not matter what their sins were. Jesus loved them all, and forgave those who asked.
Here is the New American Standard translation of the verse in question:
24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for [p]a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed [q]forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is [r]unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing [s]indecent acts and receiving in [t]their own persons the due penalty of their error.
28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, [v]haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
It is a warning, not that a man will put them to death, but that according to God's Law these things are worthy of death at God's judgement on their souls, and that they do them anyway, and not only do they do them, full in the knowledge that these things lead to death eternal, they also encourage others to do them .
It is never more true today than ever before. We excuse more and more sinful behaviors as time goes by in the name of tolerance. I have no doubt that in time we will become an "anything goes" society. People today live "in sin", and we excuse it, and see it as normal. Once upon a time, not that long ago, such behavior was looked down upon. Today it is accepted, and even congratulated. People steal music downloads, and it's OK because the music industry just won't listen to what people want. All types of sinful behavior become allowed, and even desirable, because of one excuse or another. This is what this verse warns against.
I am in no position to judge anyone's sins. That is between them and God. I have committed more than my share of sins. Fortunately, Jesus came to take away my sins, and I try to live a better life, more faithful to what God expects from me. I am nowhere near perfect. I am, though, forgiven, through the Grace of God. However, I can share what the Bible says about sins. That is not hate, but rather love. I do not want anyone to suffer eternal death.
What would you do if the situation were reversed? Would you stand by, silently, while people damn themselves by their behaviors, sins, and refusal to accept God's love and forgiveness?
I admit that I don't have all of the answers. I do not understand why God would make 2 women or 2 men, fall in love with one another when such a relationship can lead to sinful behavior. I wish that I knew the answer to that. I would love to be able to have a good answer for when a gay person asks me why God would make him/her fall in love with someone of the same sex. Unfortunately, I don't know why. That is a matter for each person to take up with God as they see fit.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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You don't see where it say homosexuals deserve to die in the phrase "knowing the righteous judgement of God, those who practice such things are deserving of death"?
Phil all who sin are deserving of death. That means each and every one of us, and *In my best Gomer Powell voice* Suprise, suprise, suprise we all will die.
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What would you do if the situation were reversed? Would you stand by, silently, while people damn themselves by their behaviors, sins, and refusal to accept God's love and forgiveness?
It is reversed for some of us. Which is why we point things out to you, like the fact that some of us believe your interpretation of certain things is wrong. Some of us feel we need to tell you, just as you feel the need to tell us, what we believe to be true.
See, some of us might believe that you are going to be treated harshly because you blindly accepted an incorrect interpretation of God's word and used it to try and make others feel badly about their lives and tried to make them believe they are damned. That's a terrible thing to do in many of our eyes, and we may fear you will be made to pay for these sins. So, we also cannot remain silent.
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There is a story posted on the AOL news site that talks about a janitor for a church who stole 50,000 dollars over a period of time from the church. They caught him. Well, the police did and it was by accident that they caught him. the priest ask that the guy be forgiven his sins. http://www.wgal.com/news/susquehanna-val...ge/-/index.htmlThat's a pretty christian thing to do right? I thought so anyway. So, Phil Robertson says he's a christian, why spout such hateful things about people? Is that the way Christians are supposed to behave? Anyway, I still don't know why this story has any legs at all... Who the hell is Phil Robertson except the College QB that was a couple of years ahead of Terry Bradshaw at Louisiana Tech and one of the stars of a rather horrid (IMO) reality show. I should point out that for the most part, reality shows aren't my cup of tea.
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So, Phil Robertson says he's a christian, why spout such hateful things about people? Is that the way Christians are supposed to behave?
He didn't "spout hate" though. That's the thing. He was asked his opinion. He said it's a sin, basically quoting a bible verse almost word for word.
Agree or disagree with him, but that's not "spouting hate"
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Gomer Powell. Hahahahahah!
He's Colin Pyle's cousin.
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No, they didn't tell him to not express his views. But they didn't care for them or agree with them or think them to be proper in terms of how the show would be viewed.
And they took actions that were within their rights as his employer.
Daman, I picked yours out of many comments regarding A&E exercising it's right to suspend him just as he exercised his right to voice his opinion... because by your post (and others like it) A&E did not want to be viewed as agreeing with his comments.. which I agree is within their rights... Many have commented in no uncertain terms that Christians are basically whining for claiming a double standard...
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“Conservatives don’t want women to avoid pregnancies. That’s interfering with God’s work. You got to stay pregnant, barefoot, and in the kitchen and have babies until your body collapses… and that’s the news. That’s not O’Reilly or Hannity. Those people are just liars.
What part of the country has the highest murder rate? The south. What part of the country has the highest rape rate? The south. What part of the country has the highest church attendance? The south. Oh, wait a minute. You mean there is not a correlation between these things…”
So we know that rehabilitation works and that punishment doesn’t, and yet we go on punishing. It really has a lot to do with these same culture wars we’re talking about. This whole biblical notion: sinners need to be punished.
Parents are pretty irresponsible and so is the Bush Administration with its abstinence policy. Spending billions of dollars on something they know doesn’t work, wonderful. Wonderful. Idiotic.”
That's pretty hateful stuff right there.. Generalizing all conservatives, all Christians into a very narrow and fairly vile focus. Surely, if this person's employer didn't agree with that statement, they should have taken some action...
So who said it? A reality star? A tree hugging liberal congressperson? Maybe one of those selected uneducated Obama supporters we see on youtube?
Oh no. Dr. James Corbett, History teacher at Capistrano Valley High School said those words 3 years ago (and they were recorded) in front of his high school class.... where is he today? He's a history teacher at Capistrano Valley High School and the teacher mentor of the Freethinking Atheist and Agnostic Kindship Group on campus.. so by your own standard surely the education system, likes them or agrees with them or at least believes they are proper for a high school history class. In fact, they agree with him so much that they defended him when he was sued over it. The boy who didn't want his faith trashed in a public school was mocked and ridiculed by many in the social media....
The outpouring of support can be found on the internet from all of the same sources that are stating that Phil Robertson is a hate monger and deserves whatever punishment he gets.
So people can call me a whiner or a complainer or a conspiracy theorist.. have at it. I don't really care... There is one last vestige where you can go to mock, ridicule, debase, and get down right vile about an entire group with impunity.. and it is the Christian conservative..
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Your example of the schoolteacher is irrelevant to the discussion about A&E/Duck Dynasty, because the teacher's employer is not A&E and their motivations and resultant decisions are not mutually exclusive from A&E's. Just because A&E course of action may have been taken because they do not want Robertson's beliefs to be associated with or attributed to them as a company does not mean that all employers feel that way or will react accordingly. Some may be indifferent. Some may be supportive of his statements. Quote:
There is one last vestige where you can go to mock, ridicule, debase, and get down right vile about an entire group with impunity.. and it is the Christian conservative..
I would posit that this has less to do with their beliefs (aside from the "belief" that homosexuals are inferior beings) and more to do with the high-profile cases of very public figures espousing those ideals and then becoming embroiled in scandals involving things like drug abuse, pornography, rampant infidelity or pedophilia.
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It says it right there, in plain English, that homosexuals deserve to die.
I understand that Jesus' message and actions don't fit with it, because a great deal of the book contradicts itself. It's very illogical, and often filled with mixed messages.
You have to cherrypick it to make any sense of it.
Again, the leaps and stretches people take in order for the Bible make any sense is really something else. It's right up there with Clinton asking what the definition of 'is' is.
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No, you just have to understand that "death" means spiritual death as opposed to physical death.
Things can be worthy of death according to God's Law without being subject to execution on earth. You refuse to see that, that is your right. Death to God is not physical death here on earth, it is the death of the spirit. That judgement and sentence can only be carried out by God himself.
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Do you have a different interpretation/translation of the Bible that I can look at that handles things such as homosexuality differently, or do you just not believe in the Bible and/or God at all?
As far as my soul, that is why I try not to judge these things personally. The Bible says that certain actions are sins ...... and I have committed some of them ...... and some far too many times to count, since each individual act would be a sin ...... so I accept that these acts are sins.
I do believe that the Bible is the living Word of God. I believe that the New Testament is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the Messiah. I believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins, for those willing to accept Him as their Savior. I believe that we are no longer subject to Old Testament Law because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and that we may have eternal life because of His victory over death.
I believe that the Bible gives us guidelines that outline how to live a life in accord with the way God wants us to live. None of us are perfect, and I don't think that any of us can be perfect, but that we are made perfect in God's eyes through Jesus Christ. Faith and the Grace of God combined are the path through which we are made pure in the eyes of God. That Faith, a belief, carries with it a responsibility to live as God would have us live. We are to repent our sins. Repentance is a sincere remorse, penitence, or regret. It is to try to set aside those sinful acts, and to try to not commit those sins again. We' of course, being imperfect, will sin, and as long as we are sincere in our repentance, and ask for God's forgiveness, He has promised to forgive us. We do not, however, have a license to sin as we see fit, continually surrendering to our desires as we choose, rubbing it in the face of God while asking His forgiveness.
I do not hate you, or any other gay person. Not even close. I pray that all will find their way to God, and forgiveness. However, the Bible is clear as to what the rules are. You may not believe in the Bible, or in God, for that matter, I don't know. Regardless, that is your right. It is your life to live as you see fit. I accept your right to live within a secular society, free from fear for being who you are, and I would fight for your right not to be persecuted on this earth. However, I cannot change the Laws of God as I understand them. All I can do is try to communicate these laws as I understand them. Again, I do not do this out of hate in any way whatsoever. I pray that all of those who sin will find their way to God, to Grace, and to forgiveness. This includes all sin, and all have sinned. No one is perfect ... no one has lived a perfect life, except for Jesus Christ, who is God made man. My sins are as great as anyone else's. However, I believe that Jesus died and defeated death so that I may live. I want others to share that gift. No hate, but rather love. I do not single out homosexuality, because it is but one of a number of sins addressed in the Bible, and in the verse that was posted above. No one's sins are any greater than mine, for all sin is offensive to God. Every single instance of sin is an insult to God. The only difference between Christians and non-believers, as I have been taught, is that we have Jesus Christ to take our sins away from us, and to clean our record to spotless condition in the eyes of God. I want others to share in that Salvation. If that is a crime in your eyes, then I stand guilty.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)
Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
The bible has many quotes directly from Jesus where he explicitly states the old testament is still valid and the law.
I don't know how to debate religious people any more. Maybe we can just make fun of hinduism being silly until people figure out that applies to all religions.
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Do you have a different interpretation/translation of the Bible that I can look at that handles things such as homosexuality differently, or do you just not believe in the Bible and/or God at all?
Do I believe in it?
No, it's a book of archaic fairy tales. There's a good moral message in there, but you have to separate a lot of chaff to get to it.
And that's my point, really. The book is so inconsistent, contradictory and downright ludicrous that you have to pick and choose what to believe and what to ignore.
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The only difference between Christians and non-believers, as I have been taught, is that we have Jesus Christ to take our sins away from us, and to clean our record to spotless condition in the eyes of God. I want others to share in that Salvation. If that is a crime in your eyes, then I stand guilty.
I never said it was a crime. I've never told anyone they can't have their faith.
But a great deal of the Christian faith believes that their values should be reflected in our laws, and when they're not, they tend to develop a persecution complex.
At that point, it's entirely justified to step up and say 'the fact that you believe that this book is gospel is a bit insane'. No one's saying it's a crime, or wrong, necessarily.
Just don't expect the world to cater to your delusions.
As for this A&E guy....it's insane to suspend him. And it looks like the network made the wrong move, as the backlash has been swift.
The proper course of action when faced with 'homosexuality is a sin' is to roll your eyes and move on. The uproar and outrage isn't really helping anything.
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You may not know who Phil Robertson is, but he has a rather large following that isn't afraid to spend their money in his support.
Walmart Sells Out of Duck Dynasty Merch as Fans Flock to Support Phil Robertson
Yup, if you call being able to sell T Shirts and other merchandise a big deal, then yeah, I guess he's important.
All this really does is tell me that some folks find him important. I don't. In fact, nobody that I know IRL does either.
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A & E new exactly what they were doing...Now days it dosent matter what type of publicity they get it's all good,
They asked Phil a Question they already knew the answer to, knowing he'd say what he said, they knew they would have to suspend him, they knew it would be big head lines and thier name would be out in the media, good or bad it's out thier, They will work things out or thier plan is for Duck men to hold out breaking thier contract, A & E wont release rights or them from thier contract holding making it look like Phil & the boys fault and they wont pay them. kinda go out with a bang.
It's all about media and getitng your name out thier, good or bad dosent matter
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For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)
Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
The bible has many quotes directly from Jesus where he explicitly states the old testament is still valid and the law.
I don't know how to debate religious people any more. Maybe we can just make fun of hinduism being silly until people figure out that applies to all religions.
how are the animal sacrifices working out for you. Do people look at you strange when you spread blood on your door...
The Old Testament is the Jewish Law unless you're Jewish the Old Testament no longer applies. Seriously, most scholars will tell you the same. I don't know if you believe the Bible or not but their is a difference between the Old and New and you can't follow them both. There is a verse in the New that says Jesus took the Old away from us that was contrary to us and nailed it to his cross. I believe it is in Galatians but could be wrong. Don't have time to look.
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My point was not to argue religion with you, it's pointless. Yes, I believe in God, I don't need to elaborate beyond that point. I think the flaws in the translation and interpretation of the Bible are rampant. I do not believe it is the literal word of God. It doesn't matter to me if you hate me. I don't make a lot of time in my life for people who believe they are somehow superior to me because of who I am, and believe I'm going to hell because of their flawed beliefs. Again, that is my opinion of your beliefs, neither one of us is going to convince the other because our beliefs are just that, ours. I don't have any interest in making people like that a part of my life, so it doesn't matter what you think of me. I was simply pointing out to you that we both may feel the other is in danger of being judged harshly by our maker due to our actions. I suppose we can both pray for each other. 
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I was simply pointing out to you that we both may feel the other is in danger of being judged harshly by our maker due to our actions. I suppose we can both pray for each other.
And to me, this is what it all boils down to. People may see or interpret the Bible in different ways and to mean different things.
But in the end, how we view each other makes no difference. We won't be and shouldn't be the ones doing the judging.
JMHO
Jules, wasn't directing this point towards you. Simply using your quote to help set the stage for my comment in general.
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.. " I suppose we can both pray for each other.. " .......................................................................................... Now there is a recipe for success ! 
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Gomer Powell. Hahahahahah!
It's still better than:
wait for it....
"Colin Pyle."
*EDIT*
Oh, crap. That's what I get for dropping one without looking down first-
Nice, DC... nice.
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I suppose we can both pray for each other.
That is always the best solution. 
I would certainly appreciate it. I can use all the help I can get.
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This is what I have to say about people who are against the gay lifestyle. If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. This is why I'm talking about it here. I'm not persecuting him because he's outspoken. We are not agreeing at the moment, but I'm not persecuting you, because I don't do that. I believe Newt G is the person I disagree most with in anything, but I do not persecute him, because it's not my style. Again, this is a dispute between employee and employer, neither of which I care about. Though I did offer my insight on why they suspended them earlier. Again though, I'm just highlighting Paul as a major part of a demographic that are part of a civil rights problem.
As for the bible verses in the New Testament... I believe that the jury is still out on what those lists actually mean. I've read many scholarly journals saying that he was speaking about male prostitutes or adults practicing pederasty and not homosexuals or pedeastrits and vice versa . That's part of the problem with translations, too bad Paul couldn't just speak American...
The Bible contains many questions and many conundrums because Jesus also said if someone is doing good then not to hinder them. I see gays not being able to marry or adopt children as hindrances. Though I will say we, as a country, should not be ruled under the law of a religion, but the law of the people.
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For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)
Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
The bible has many quotes directly from Jesus where he explicitly states the old testament is still valid and the law.
I don't know how to debate religious people any more. Maybe we can just make fun of hinduism being silly until people figure out that applies to all religions.
how are the animal sacrifices working out for you. Do people look at you strange when you spread blood on your door...
The Old Testament is the Jewish Law unless you're Jewish the Old Testament no longer applies. Seriously, most scholars will tell you the same. I don't know if you believe the Bible or not but their is a difference between the Old and New and you can't follow them both. There is a verse in the New that says Jesus took the Old away from us that was contrary to us and nailed it to his cross. I believe it is in Galatians but could be wrong. Don't have time to look.
This is where a lot of denominations differ. A lot of them believe the OT is irrelevant, when in fact, the only difference between the two is culture and salvation. Acts just describe the plan of salvation Christ taught the apostles and the epistles describe how to live a holy life, along with reaffirming sin, faith, prayer, loving one another, resisting sin, repentance, etc.
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This is what I have to say about people who are against the gay lifestyle. If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.
I believe this is the point we see the difference in what he did and didn't say. Not saying the man is right or wrong here, but from his comments, I took it to mean this is the way he believed. That in his mind, according to his beliefs, he feels it's wrong. To me, that's on his own, personal level.
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This is why I'm talking about it here. I'm not persecuting him because he's outspoken. We are not agreeing at the moment, but I'm not persecuting you, because I don't do that. I believe Newt G is the person I disagree most with in anything, but I do not persecute him, because it's not my style. Again, this is a dispute between employee and employer, neither of which I care about. Though I did offer my insight on why they suspended them earlier. Again though, I'm just highlighting Paul as a major part of a demographic that are part of a civil rights problem.
I am not one to judge others when it comes to morality or sexuality. However, I feel it's no more or less wrong to discriminate against one for their religious beliefs than it is to discriminate against one for their race or sexuality.
I would feel it would be wrong to suspend someone for their sexuality as well. I do agree with you that this is an employee/employer situation. What I'm not seeing is how anything he said infringed upon anyone else. If anything I feel I am for more expanded rights, not less.
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As for the bible verses in the New Testament... I believe that the jury is still out on what those lists actually mean. I've read many scholarly journals saying that he was speaking about male prostitutes or adults practicing pederasty and not homosexuals or pedeastrits and vice versa . That's part of the problem with translations, too bad Paul couldn't just speak American...
One thing I do not claim to be is a Biblical scholar. I have no clue either way when it comes to these things you pose and will certainly not state otherwise. Which is why I do not condone what he was saying.
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The Bible contains many questions and many conundrums because Jesus also said if someone is doing good then not to hinder them. I see gays not being able to marry or adopt children as hindrances. Though I will say we, as a country, should not be ruled under the law of a religion, but the law of the people.
The odd thing is, I believe exactly as you do on these things. My view simply goes one step further. While I believe the laws should not be set up with religion in mind, I also do not believe a person should be subject to punishment by an employer for their religious views.
I don't see how a guy on some reality show stating his religious viewpoint on the matter as harming anyone in the gay community. I don't see how it hinders gay marriage, gay adoption or any other area of the gay lifestyle.
When you live in a nation where you must agree and walk lock step in your belief system according to an ever changing world, I feel there's something wrong with that.
I believe the right to religious freedoms should be every bit as protected as anything else. I believe when an employer can suspend you for honestly stating your religious beliefs, based on a scripture you quoted, is no less wrong than suspending a person for openly admitting they are gay.
At some point. defending the rights of one group, can't break the lines of infringing on the other, and visa versa.
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I'm telling you guys, this might be a big game. they may have done this as a stunt to drum up a bigger audience.
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DC, I can sum up my feelings about abortion, gay/lesbian lifestyle in just a few words.
It's none of my business!
Do I like hateful things being said, oh hell no. I know few people that really do. I do see that one mans hateful is another mans truth and honesty. There's the disconnect.
It becomes a matter of opinion. Personal Opinion. then you get the folks that spout bible verse after bible verse in order to show that their beliefs are the proper and correct ones. And that's fine for them. Again it's just not my business to tell someone that what they believe isn't proper.
I may feel that way, but as long as they aren't hurting me or my loved ones, why is it my business if a young girl wants an abortion. Or a young man or woman live a lesbian/gay lifestyle.
I grew up catholic, it's pretty easy to see that the church doesn't agree with abortion or gay/lesbian lifestyles. Plain as the nose on your face.
But, while I still believe in the Lord Almighty, I think we, as humans, are interpreting his words differently than was intended.
I think the Lord would tell each of us us to be accepting of the differences in us all.
To me, that means accepting things that may not set well with you on a personal level.
I have a very good friend/neighbor. She just moved here from another city with her husband who faces serious health problems. She moved here because her daughter lives here and she felt she needed the help as she and her husband grew older.
Once she was here for a while,, she discovered that her daughter was in a lesbian relationship with a woman. The daughters girlfriend had a baby and now my friend, a devout catholic, has accepted the baby as her granddaughter. (cute kid by the way)
She still doesn't accept the lesbian life style, she doesn't like it, she's told me so a million times, but she accepts that her daughter is happy and doing well.
So my rule is, it's not my business so be more accepting and less a hater.
NOW, something that few of you are doing is saying what you believe about Phil Robertsons comments.. I'll tell you, I don't agree with Phil at all. Not even a little bit, but I'll stand up for him to be able to say what he feels.
I just wish he could have found a less "hurtful" way of saying it. And I wish both sides of the political spectrum would just shut up about it.
Can I ask everyone a question, what happens when you drive a car, turn the wheel all the way left or all the way right and step on the gas?
ANSWER: You go in circles.
Where does that get you?
ANSWER: Nowhere
Life (and government) are full of twists and turns.. Both left and right
OK,, Off the soap box...LOL
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Well I just talked to MR Powell and we both came to the same conclusion. We love all of you and wish you a Merry Christmas. 
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