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What do you guys this of Xavier Filo? Probably the highest ceiling behind Jackson. Has some serious rough spots but nothing that can't be taught. He has freakish talent for an interior OL just some bad habits. He has the quickest and strongest legs of the class I think. He may not be 340 but he moves people.
He's extremely aggressive and smart but tends to be overly aggressive. Needs to hone his anger. Misses delayed blitzers a lot because of over commitment to his original read. He loses his leverage by not keeping his hips tucked under him then he gets bent back. Great leg and core to stalemate from there though.
Also no character concerns or injuries. Probably a late 2nd early 3rd. I like him if we miss out on Jackson. Not a fan of Martin or Richardson.
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I find it really hypocritical that some want to replace Schwartz after two season where overall he has been pretty decent. Hypocritical, because most of those voices beg for time with regards to Mingo, who had a much worse rookie season than Schwartz.
Do you ever stop?
There are so many threads where you can post that crap. This is one of the few threads where people are trying to talk football. We don't have to agree........but, will you please honor a good thread a stop w/your BS?
Good God!!!
This is a non-QB thread and I responded to a post talking about replacing the RT and made a handful of arguments for keeping our RT. Get over it, "Drama Queen"
Maybe you should count your and my posts the last days/weeks. The only guy who is running around threads and does EXACTLY what he accuses others of doing is you Vers. You constantly start off topic fires with your paranoid agenda crap everywhere. You constantly attack the poster and not the argument, when you have no good counter. It's so incredibly lame. If this place has become a mess, you're a big reason for it and every other poster, like me in this post, who responds to this constant BS for which I apologize, but I think it needs to be said every now and then.
I'm honestly at a point where I wish you'd go back to the idiot's board again where you took your hiatus from your Mangini lovefest fiasco, so the rest of us can discuss a little more football again without the drama. So how about taking your own advice and "get lost" 
Yeah, I know already....wow
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If Tre Mason comes out, what round is he expected to go in? In my Browns Mock draft in my head, I had the Browns taking him in the 3rd. After the last 2 games I am starting to doubt that he would last that long.
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If Tre Mason comes out, what round is he expected to go in? In my Browns Mock draft in my head, I had the Browns taking him in the 3rd. After the last 2 games I am starting to doubt that he would last that long.
i think he is just a freshman. so i was hoping he'd come up, but he can't until after the 2014 season.
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He is a junior according to http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/roster/_/id/2/sort/lastName
well well well, i think he definitely needs to be our 2nd round pick, if we still have it, of course.
i know some people like to look at the body of work, but i already posted highlights,
on top of that, he showed up in the biggest game of his career. he showed speed, power, aglility, good hands in a big time game.
we definitely need to look at picking him up.
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What do you guys think about the hybrid "wingback" guys? Like McDaniels has used Vereen. I think it's going to become the new fad much like NE started the dual TE fad. I think a guy like Dri Archer or De'Anthony Thomas could be a real weapon for us. Archer is ridiculous. I had a few chances to see him play last year in person and he's a natural. Reminds me a lot of Sproles. I know we have one already but he hasn't proved anything but how easily he gets injured.
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Dion Lewis. Campbell hung him out to dry and the defender went at his knee. That's not exactly "easily injured."
Also, the guys you're mentioning are 165 pound guys. Sproles has got to pack about 190 in that 5'8" frame.
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Mason is pretty short. Probably around 5'9". He is solidly built, but might be less than the 210 that he is listed at.
Some people are saying he is a 6th round choice. Others have reported that NFL scouts say he is just a system back. Most see him as a back-up or rotational back.
I think he is better than that. I think he is worth a 3rd round pick. He runs w/a low center of gravity which makes him hard to find and hard to bring down unless you wrap. I really like how he runs w/a forward lean. Reminds me of E. Smith in that regard. He can bounce off tackles and get to the outside. Not sure how fast he is, but I know he isn't a break-away runner.
I do think he is an interesting prospect and would be nice part of a rotation of him, Lewis, and Baker. I hope we do not draft a RB in round 1 or 2. I also hope we don't spend big bucks on a free agent RB. There are guys who will be available. Mason is one of them.
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Dion Lewis. Campbell hung him out to dry and the defender went at his knee. That's not exactly "easily injured."
Also, the guys you're mentioning are 165 pound guys. Sproles has got to pack about 190 in that 5'8" frame.
He has been with us one year. He has not played a down. There is no way to prove he isn't easily injured. If you know only one way you can't assume the inverse. The man has less than 200 yards in 3 years. I don't care if he was injured for one or not it would be wise to consider any contribution a bonus not a given.
Sproles was 180 coming out though he is190 now. He's also only 5'6. He is more stout that these men due to his height but they weigh the same coming out. However both Archer and Thomas are 5'9. Archer has a frame to add weight. I can vouch for that with my own eyes. Both are faster than Sproles. I was referring to their playing style not their body. Both excel as hybrid WR/HB in creative offenses that exploit the defense by making a S or LB cover them. These are the type of players you add in rounds 3, 4 and 5 when you don't have to rely on those rounds for starters. These are the type of role players who win games for a team.
I think Archer fits the mold of Shane Vereen very well. Should McDaniels come to Cleveland this is a pick that would make a lot of sense and could probably be had with our 1st 4th round pick.
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After finally finishing the Nat'l Championship Game (I know, I know... who cares it's old) last night I threw on Clemson vs. Georgia Tech. A guy who impressed the heck out of me I hadn't seen before was Jeremiah Attaochu. If you haven't seen him play, he's a 3-4 OLB candidate who was beating Clemson's OTs with bull rushes and edge/speed rushes. He diagnosed a screen to his side really well when he was rushing, changed direction and made the TFL. He lined up at DT on 3rd & 1 and stuffed the run up the middle. He had two sacks in the first quarter. Another play in the second half he put the TE on his back on a rush and sidestepped the RB for a nice QB hit just as Boyd got the ball out. He really played a terrific, impactful game.
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He jumped out at me just looking at raw stats, but I haven't seen a snap yet, but had him marked as a possible mid round pass rush sleeper to look at. Very, very consistent career too…three consecutive double digit TFL seasons, two consecutive dd sack season, leading GT in those categories and seasons, that's impressive. Lining up at DT too?
Is he another Ansah?
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There's two major athletic freaks with Clowney in the OLB (3-4 supremacy) corp in this draft. Ronald Powell out of Florida was the #1 recruit and stands about 6'4 250 and runs a 4.6. He played as the Buck at Florida (Which is a DE/OLB to make Muschamp's defense have a twist to it.) and played very well this season until he started to get injured. I think we should take him in the 4th and have him replace Kruger in 3-4 years.
Aaron Lynch is another athletic freak. He originally committed to ND (Over FSU) and played really well there and led the team in sacks during his Freshman year. Then he became homesick and transferred to USF. So he sat out last year due to the transfer, but didn't look all too well this year until the end. He's 6'6 250 and runs a 4.7, he also missed his chance playing in playing in a national championship game, which is just funny.
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I'm ok with that, Blake Bortles would be my first pick, if he's gone and Bridgewaters is gone, I'd go with The Clemson WR over johnny football,
Hyde with the 2nd 1st round pick is a good pick, Cant argue that, would have to see who else is availble at that pick.
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We should be at the point where the only time a running back is picked in the first round is if he is an otherworldly talent. There are none of those players available.
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But he's a Buckeye..... 
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I love Hyde but no way do we waste a 1st on a RB after the TRich fiasco. Unless we trade down from our 2nd I doubt one gets taken before the 3rd.
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We also have been rumored to be interested in Ben Tate. If we sign him then we do not even need to take a running back.
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I have a feeling that Tate is going to be cost-prohibitive.
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That is fine. We have money to spend. Just as long as it is not Chris Johnsonesque we should be fine.
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I might have Jarius Byrd as my number 1 FA. I haven't looked at the list of who is available but a ballhawing FS would really improve this defense.
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Two guys I think will be absolute studs in the NFL (non QBs): Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald. Somebody will be getting a steal with them.
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If Khalil Mack is likely to be picked in the top 12, then how is he a steal? Also just curious what position you see Donald at.
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You're right about Khalil, but I think he's going to be better than Barr and potentially Clowney. I've got a huge mancrush on him.
Aaron Donald needs to be used like Geno Atkins. You're gonna have to put a massive NT next to him. However, the reward could be just like with Geno.
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Yeah I think Barr is overrated though. I like Mack, but he has nowhere near the skills Clowney has IMO. If he ends up better than Clowney, then that's on Clowney. I haven't seen Donald play yet, but I have their bowl vs. BGSU on my DVR.
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I like Mack, but he has nowhere near the skills Clowney has IMO. If he ends up better than Clowney, then that's on Clowney.
Agreed. And that is not outside the realm of possibility
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I like Mack, but he has nowhere near the skills Clowney has IMO. If he ends up better than Clowney, then that's on Clowney.
I think you could say that about everybody in the draft... if Clowney wants to be, he will be the best player to come out of this draft..
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Here's a name for you: Jeff Janis of Saginaw Valley State.
6'3 200+ LBs and runs a 4.32. He has intriguing physical tools that'd be worth a 7th rounder.
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Had him in our last Browns mock as a 4th rounder, but he will go higher if he's really that fast
4) QB Bortles - UCF
26) WR O.Beckham - LSU
35) FS C.Pryor - Louisville
71) RB C.Sims- WVU or RB Hyde - OSU
83) CB EJ Gaines - Mizzou
102) OLB Attachou - GT
122) WR J. Janis - Saginaw Valley
5th) ILB P.Brown - Louisville
6th) WR T.Reese - Baylor
7a) DE Clarke - WVU
7b) C/G Harrison - Florida
After watching more of Bortles, I'm not sure I'd take him at 4. His best traits are all on the intsngibles side and I'm not sure his game has enough upside left, but I still like him.
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6'3 200+ LBs and runs a 4.32. He has intriguing physical tools that'd be worth a 7th rounder.
I'd say Djan is right. If the guy runs that fast, small school or not, he goes mid rounds...if not sooner. Much will depend on his workouts.
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Hey Peen, any valuable thoughts about some Gators? I think your C Harrison is looking like a nice late round pickup. Whoul be interested to hear what you think about him especially but also some other Gators, like the CBs, LB Powell, G halapio etc
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I've watched some FS specs lately and was shocked how bad Reynolds from Stanford looked. He's flat out useless vs the run, taking bad angles, being contract shy etc. He's also not much of an athlete. I'd stay away.
Otoh, I was intrigued by W.Kentucky FS Dowling. Have to watch more, but he's much better than his current 7th round Ranking by cbs and I'd take him over Reynolds for sure...
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I think both the Olineman can be pretty good players. CB Purifoy is the best bet to be a solid NFL starter IMO. Six feet tall, he has the size and a 4.4-4.5 guy, so he has the speed.
I really hope we target him with the 2nd of our 1st round picks. I think that is about where he will go.
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Django my apologies if you mentioned him first. He's only been on my radar recently these last two months.
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For what it is worth incase you weren't aware. Dowling is a former Gator who moved to WKU after he was cut for violating team rules. I have yet to figure out if he is related to Ras I Dowling.
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No need at all to apologize Candy. Who cares who mentioned or saw him first?
Thanks for your thoughts on the Gators specs Peen and thanks for the info on Dowling Kingcob. I wasn't aware of that fact. Were there serious character concerns? On tape he looks much better than his "virtual" rankings. Then again, last year that time a guy like Swearinger was supposed to be a late rounder too. There will stil be a lot of movement in the evaluating process...
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...ill-enter-draftDowling signed with Florida in 2010 and was a consensus top-40 prospect nationally from Bradenton, Fla.; he was part of a highly hyped Gators recruiting class that also included Sharrif Floyd, Matt Elam, Dominique Easley, Jaylen Watkins and Ronald Powell. But then-coach Urban Meyer kicked Dowling off the team in November 2010 for a violation of team rules , and Dowling moved on to Western Kentucky; Western's coach at the time, Willie Taggart, also is from Bradenton and knew Dowling well. Dowling told reporters that "I'm not an angel" and admitted to skipping practices at Florida, according to Rivals.com. http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/01/gator-db-on-the-receiving-end-of-urbans-boot/"A search of court records in Alachua and Manatee counties, the Orlando Sentinel writes, shows Dowling does not have a case more serious than a traffic violation." I wonder if he broke any more team rules than skipping practice. Though it sounds like skipping practice would be a good reason to kick someone off the team.
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Jadeveon Clowney is scheduled to hit the field at the NFL’s scouting combine on Feb. 24. And he advises everyone to pay attention when he does.
The South Carolina junior will participate in every drill, according to Josh Kendall of The State. “The numbers I am going to put up are going to be amazing,” Clowney said.
Clowney’s speed and athleticism help set him apart from the other defensive players in this year’s draft class. Way back in July, Clowney told reporters that he ran a 4.46 40-yard dash during South Carolina’s summer workouts.
“I ran a 4.43 my senior year [of high school],” Clowney told the Post and Courier. “But I was 250 [pounds] then. I’m like 270 now.”
Anything in the 4.5 range would be mighty impressive — Travardo Williams (4.57) and Barkevious Mingo (4.58) were the fastest of the DL group at last year’s combine. There were 27 players who ran a 4.46 or faster during the 2013 event, all either from the wide receiver, running back or defensive back category.
The other combine events aside from the 40-yard dash: bench press, vertical jump, broad jump, three-cone drill and a pair of shuttle runs (20- and 60-yard). Clowney’s statement that he’ll blow folks away in Indianapolis next month implies that he expects to excel in several of those activities.
Of course, Clowney has never been called out for a lack of physical gifts. Just the opposite, in fact — his critics during this past college football season wondered aloud repeatedly why he was not able to dominate games on a consistent basis, which led to questions about his effort level. Clowney still had a major impact when he was on the field, even if his personal stats do not necessarily back that up.
A standout showing at the combine might further quiet some of Clowney’s detractors.
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