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Dowling would be a terrific pickup with one of those 3rd rouders we have in our pocket.
I am also really starting to fall in love with this running back class. No big named backs but I think we could have a good 7 or 8 starting running backs out of this class.
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I see that too Mourg. Strong, deep RB class. Same goes for WR, although there the elite is truly elite. With the RBs I would not panic to be the first, second or even third team to draft one just because we need one badly. There's much closer in terms of ability and value imho and depending of what kind of back you're looking for the boards will be all over the place. I would wait until the 3rd/4th to draft one and make sure to sign a decent one in FA…..plenty of them around. It's really a buyer's market. You almost really have to try hard to field the incompetency we've had last season 
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Speaking of deep class. If we didn't have this HUGE QB need, I would be inclined to trade back and collect as many mid rounders as possible. That's where the value's at again this draft. That said, even if we're "forced" to secure our QB at 4, I could see us be a team receiving many calls for 26 and 35. If so, I would think hard about a trade down there of 5-10 spots for some additional mid rounders in THIS draft. We could then walk away with as many as 6-7 3rd/4th round picks, coupled with the top 3 picks that are still all top 50
That'd be a couple of more talents out of that EJ Gaines, Skov, T.Brooks, Sims, Moncrief, G.Jackson, Attaochu etc range. Two more of those just for "settling" for whoever drops of Matthews, Beckham, Robinson, Cooks etc as your WR2. It would be worth it imho
Then again, if some serious top talent drops to us, like Gilbert or M.Lee to 26 and Pryor to 35, then I'd just pick them….
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I have heard that Robinson has been getting destroyed by all comers.
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That seems right. Incredibly underrated vs. incredibly overrated.
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I still think there's no way Cyril ends up going before the 3rd. Jackson and Filo are the real studs.
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Some random thoughts I've had on this class after watching more and reading up:
- you know I don't want the Browns to draft Manziel, but I'm starting to think that Bortles at 4 would be a reach too. None are top 5 or 10 picks imho: If we have to reach though I hope it's Bortles…simply because of the higher floor. I think both do not have high ceilings though. If I could see the high ceiling some see in Manziel, I would rather roll the dice on him and live with the higher bust chance, but it's not there at all imho.
- I really am narrowing down my wish list for pick 26 to CB Gilbert, WR M.Lee and FS Pryor. Getting second thoughts on CB Verrett. Turned off by his constant jersey grabbing. Have to watch more on Pryor, but I'm convinced that both Lee and Gilbert will be good NFL players. Would be ok if we burn a mid rounder or swap picks later (drop down from 35?) to go get one of them. Consolation prize would be WR Beckham at 26…
- having watched K.Benjamin's 200+yds, 3 TDs performance vs Florida I actually left turned off, lol. Dude is mega raw, very lazy, dropped 3 easy passes. One of his TDs was a missed blatant grab-and-push off and his biggest plays came when he lined up in the slot vs the backup slot CB in that game. He's a project and I hope we do not pick him at 26 or 35
- speaking of guys I would not pick: I'm not there yet, but those players are close to get kicked out of my top 75-100 and some maybe draft board alltogether...some very hyped up names include: TE ASF, G C.Richardson, WR K.Benjamin, OLB Van Noy, CB Roby, RB K.Carey, FS Ed Reynolds
- some underrated names that I consider 1 or 2 rounds underrated (on cvs at least): OT A.Richardson, OT Hurst, CB EJ Gaines, WR M.Bryant, OG S.Long, ILB Bullough, QB Boyd
- was a little disappointed watching OLB Attaochu. Not the athlete I thought I'd see. Very good motor though, but has trouble disengaging from blocks and not many pass rush moves. SOLB at best in a 3-4, more of a smaller SDE in a 4-3 imho
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If Marquise Lee is there at pick 26 I would be very excited. And then disappointed when we do not pick. The things that he did at USC were/are ridiculous and I do not know if there is anybody better with the ball in there hands.
At this point I am just telling myself that we will not have the 26th pick as we will have to use it to trade up to get our QB.
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I did not read the entire thread.
So apologies if some of these players have already been named.
I know I am not supposed to put QB's on here. But I figured I would give the other top QB's that are not being talked about much some love.
I figured I would just put up my opinion on how I would like to see the first 3 rounds go this year. This is Offensive side heavy and does not take into account who will stay or leave for Cleveland.
I Was looking at these guys before the coaching staff was blown up. Things may go very different now.
The Browns are in need of at least one stand out LB. And Whoever the Browns would take in the draft I would use DQ as the minimum talent measuring stick to even consider looking at a guy. I have not looked aorund the guys coming out on D much yet.
The Browns badly need upgrades I am still trying to figure out how we had what 17? LB's in camp last year?
I agree with Vers on Shazier. Too light in the pants.
I thought that his entire OSU career. Not that the kid can't play.He just does not scream Spielman when I picture his NFL career.
Anywhoos. Offensive players I like. Granted I have no idea where these guys are projected.
So keep in mind I am no draft freak before anyone tears me apart.
1st Round WR Sammy Watkins-Clemson or WR Mike Evans-Texas A&M
1st Round TE Jace Amaro-Texas Tech I also like Eric Fisher LT out of Central Michigan (just in-case?)
2nd Round QB AJ McCarron-Alabama (if available) or DB Aaron Colvin-Oklahoma
3rd Round RG Anthony Steen-Alabma, QB Aaron Murray-Georgia or QB Zach Mettenberger-LSU (if McCarron is off the Board)
1 of these 3 guys will be a steal for some team.
3rd Round RB RB Carlos Hyde-Ohio State (I doubt Hyde drops to third round I would love him in se cond even. )
Or RB Ameer Abdullah-Nebraska
You can draft more good O-line men in the later rounds as they will be plentiful and quality all around the NCAA
Would look for Stanford, Wisconsin, Auburn, OSU and Alabama guys first.
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DOH! See what I mean? 
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That seems right. Incredibly underrated vs. incredibly overrated.
I LOVE Aaron Donald. Dude is a pitbull. Cyril has 40+ LBs on him and got planted on his behind.
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Some random thoughts I've had on this class after watching more and reading up:
- you know I don't want the Browns to draft Manziel, but I'm starting to think that Bortles at 4 would be a reach too. None are top 5 or 10 picks imho: If we have to reach though I hope it's Bortles…simply because of the higher floor. I think both do not have high ceilings though. If I could see the high ceiling some see in Manziel, I would rather roll the dice on him and live with the higher bust chance, but it's not there at all imho.
- I really am narrowing down my wish list for pick 26 to CB Gilbert, WR M.Lee and FS Pryor. Getting second thoughts on CB Verrett. Turned off by his constant jersey grabbing. Have to watch more on Pryor, but I'm convinced that both Lee and Gilbert will be good NFL players. Would be ok if we burn a mid rounder or swap picks later (drop down from 35?) to go get one of them. Consolation prize would be WR Beckham at 26…
- having watched K.Benjamin's 200+yds, 3 TDs performance vs Florida I actually left turned off, lol. Dude is mega raw, very lazy, dropped 3 easy passes. One of his TDs was a missed blatant grab-and-push off and his biggest plays came when he lined up in the slot vs the backup slot CB in that game. He's a project and I hope we do not pick him at 26 or 35
- speaking of guys I would not pick: I'm not there yet, but those players are close to get kicked out of my top 75-100 and some maybe draft board alltogether...some very hyped up names include: TE ASF, G C.Richardson, WR K.Benjamin, OLB Van Noy, CB Roby, RB K.Carey, FS Ed Reynolds
- some underrated names that I consider 1 or 2 rounds underrated (on cvs at least): OT A.Richardson, OT Hurst, CB EJ Gaines, WR M.Bryant, OG S.Long, ILB Bullough, QB Boyd
- was a little disappointed watching OLB Attaochu. Not the athlete I thought I'd see. Very good motor though, but has trouble disengaging from blocks and not many pass rush moves. SOLB at best in a 3-4, more of a smaller SDE in a 4-3 imho
Ouch Cyril, lmao that gif alone will hurt his draft stock.
I agree on Benjamin and Lee. Benjamin has stiff hips, he is going to go way too high. I love Lee, I'd rather have him than Evans. I just don't think Evans is fast enough for the NFL.
Of course I disagree on Manziel and Bortles. Bortles schedule at UCF was absolutely garbage. I cannot get on board with a guy who played trash teams and only improved slightly from his previous season.
Manziel trashed bad teams, heck he trashed good teams, in the SEC. While the best team Bortles played was South Carolina. Also, for my money when the stage was the biggest, when the lights were the brightest, Manziel didn't wilt, he was a leader.
With that said, I won't be upset with either. I think it's a good position to be in.
Roby has always been over rated. I was shocked when he said he was going to come out. He was awful on film this year. He'll still get drafted high because he has the look and will most likely have the measurables.
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What's everyone's thoughts on getting Shazier or Christian Jones (FSU MLB) to play MLB in our defense?
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1) What's our defense?
2) I only saw Christian Jones play LE this year for FSU, so I can't say how he'd be at MLB.
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I'd pass on shazier, nothing wows me and I watched every Buckeye game this season. He actually reminds me a lot of Dquell, lots of tackles, minimal impact. I can't say I watched any FSU games except Clemson and the NC game so I won't comment on Jones.
The thought I agree with, we need to think about replacing Jackson, soon.
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I'd pass on shazier, nothing wows me and I watched every Buckeye game this season. He actually reminds me a lot of Dquell, lots of tackles, minimal impact. I can't say I watched any FSU games except Clemson and the NC game so I won't comment on Jones.
The thought I agree with, we need to think about replacing Jackson, soon.
Well I was thinking more for the 3-4, and it sounds like we're going to be running that again. But before this gets into a coaching debate, the reason these two were so attractive was because of their quickness. Hopefully with one of them in we can start to stop running backs and TE's from destroying us.
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Sorry I thought he was a senior this year.
Like I said I do not follow when and where just players I watched in a game here and there.
Embarrassed.
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I'd pass on shazier, nothing wows me and I watched every Buckeye game this season. He actually reminds me a lot of Dquell, lots of tackles, minimal impact. I can't say I watched any FSU games except Clemson and the NC game so I won't comment on Jones.
The thought I agree with, we need to think about replacing Jackson, soon.
Well I was thinking more for the 3-4, and it sounds like we're going to be running that again. But before this gets into a coaching debate, the reason these two were so attractive was because of their quickness. Hopefully with one of them in we can start to stop running backs and TE's from destroying us.
Lots of tackles, minimal impact????? That doesnt make sense.
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23.5 tfl, -83yds tfl, 1.68 tfl/g
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I DISAGREE completely on Shazier. He had an incredible year. His stats tell it all. He's a do all, be all, does absolutely everything... and very fast. He has a high motor, sheds well, covers, and was consistently in the backfield making plays. I would love for him to be a Brown. I think he would be great in tandem with DQ at WLB. Unfortunately, I think he will be long gone by the time we look to fill that position. I can see us using 4 of 5 picks in 1-3rds on the offense.
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We are all aware that an upgrade at OG is needed. If Mack leaves then we will need to replace him as well. What do you guys think about spending a 3rd on Marcus Martin USC who can be either a center or OG, then picking up Tyler Larsen Utah State as a Center?
Finally gives us some depth at center. We have been really lucky not to have any injuries at that position. While I haven't seen much of these guys, I think that those 2 replacing Mack and Lavaou (or Pinkston or Greco) would be an upgrade.Even as rookies.
We would probably have Greco start at center to start the season. Perhaps we pick up a FA OG as well.
Anybody see much of Martin and Larsen and have any opinions to contribute?
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Haven't watched them yet, but to expect that some (any) rookie will instantly upgrade the interior OL is "optimistic"  They all need time, even the best. The plug and play guys like Warford are the exception, not the norm. FWIW, I have posted some thoughts on some OGs in the "mock draft" thread and will probably start some positional threads soon, OG probably being the first, simply because I have watched them the most so far. I like Steen and G.Jackson best so far. Also really liked Thomas the Clemson LT, who's projected to OG. Watched one game each of 3rd day guys T.Turner (LSU) and Fulton (Tennessee) and liked what I saw. If you're interested in a G/C guy….Steen fits the bill. Incredibly smart. He'd be a steal starting with the 3rd round imho Ideally, I'd like the FO to sign one solid OG in FA and draft one in the 3rd/4th. That said, I'd be ok with two in the draft considering there are some solid one's available late and because I think the OL really isn't our biggest need, not even top 5 need imho.
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Agreed, but while I think Mack is good, I feel he is overrated and our OG play stinks. So I don't think that we would lose much.
SF took two high olinemen a couple years ago. They suffered one year of bad oline play for the sake of development. I don't know if our organization would put up with that approach though
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Jon Halapio from Florida is my guy for the 3rd or 4th round.
When I watched him, I came away impressed with his strength and hand punch in pass protection. He shows some inconsistency when asked to move out in space, but he does get to a location quickly when asked to pull and slide out on crack-down blocks. He played his senior year with a torn pec.
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Wow, going through all the teams' rosters it's kind of shocking how many teams are lacking a starting quality center right now. Very glad we got Mack back as there will be competition for the Cs next week for sure.
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Finally got around to watching some Clowney tape. Only time to watch the 1st half of the Wisconsin game.
He gets double teamed on 2 maybe 3 plays.
He has 3 tackles one for a loss 2 after a 5 yard gain.
One Qb pressure, no sacks.
Many plays he gets single-handedly controlled by a TE or a FB.
Simple plan, let him make his move and puss him to keep going. He takes himself out of the play.
Based on that half game, he isn't worthy of being drafted in the 1st round let alone 1st overall.
I will try to watch more. But really not enthused to do so after what he has shown so far.
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Watched the 2012 SC-Georgia game.
Much better game for Clowney. One sack, a couple TFL's and multiple pressures. Actually double teamed more often than in the 2013 Wisconsin game.
Much better effort. Looks like a top of the 1st round draft pick.
Hard to believe this is the same player in both games I watched.
I suspect that he has a low football IQ. In both games he was taken advantage of in the run game. On running plays he picks a line, puts his head down and runs straight ahead. Occasionally he runs into the ball carrier for a TFL. Many times the blockers just push him along that line and it takes him out of the play. If the run is too his side it opens up some big holes.
As an aside, Aaron Murray looked bad in this game. I watched a couple other Murray cutups and have been disappointed. I really wanted to like Murray and get a steal late 2nd round but nothing I have seen gives me the impression that he will be a successful NFL Qb.
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Sankey is apparently from my area. Kind of cool to find that out. What is that draft academy on? I'd like to see Desir. The only visit we had in the 2nd-3rd round range.
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I have said in other posts that when the dust settles on this draft in a few years that Aaron Donald may be the best player in this draft.
If you watch this guy in all his games no body can handle him. He gets great leverage from getting under the OL pad level; then he uses his strength and quickness. A nightmare guy to have to block.
Somebody is going to get a great player in Aaron Donald.
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