Yeah Idk bro. With Whisenhunt gone now, I am pretty much not going to buy into whoever they hire at first now between Gase,the Seahawk coordinator and etc. And to be blunt about it, I think Lions have a better foundation with Stafford and that monsterious d-line. Megatron? Yeah, if I were the leading candidate of these teams, and I love the Browns - but I think i'd risk getting stabbed/mugged and take the job in Detroit.
well, imo, like i said in other threads, i wish we would've gotten lovie smith. but thats just me, i feel he would've been our best chance at credibility, accountablity, and most important, WINS.
but he's at tampa, so all well
i don't think gruden would do that good of a job. Brien in houston? nobody knows. Whisenhut? i like him because he seems to do well with developing QB's for the most part.
honestly vers, after that, i don't know. i'm in wait and see mode, it just seems like the majority of the "better" HC prospects we targeted got hired/didn't want to come, ala josh M.
so whoever we hire, i won't get excited, i won't get pissed. i just wanna see how the draft goes, and see how our teams plays next season.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I like Lovie Smith, but didn't want him as HC. His offenses in Chicago were putrid. Nice guy. Good d-coordinator. Not a HC.
I liked O'Brien as a candidate. I understand your disappointment.
I like Franklin. We missed out on him.
I still like Malzahn, Gase, and Quinn.
I am probably the only guy who liked McDaniels. I think the guy is really, really bright.
I am kinda hoping for Gase. The more I read about him, the more I like him. Smart guy. Good motivator. Players like him. Bright. Innovative. Attacks on offense.
I wanted Mike McCoy last year. We passed on him. Hopefully, we don't pass on another young, and smart, OC.
i'm down for a young OC. i think they could be the best.
we had one already...
anyway, yea i agree. my thing is, if we had to choose, it probably WOULD be JM if we went that route.
i mean we can say what we want about gase, and i'm sure he does a great job, but lets be honest, Manning runs that show there. i'd be concerned about his QB development with another guy.
at the end of the day, i can't really deny what JM has done in NE. having Tom brady doesn't hurt, but tom brady doesn't have weapons like manning does. i mean manning got slot WR's that would be a #1 or 2 on other teams. JM has to be creative all the time. so i'd be willing to go that route. but...he's taken his name out.
so its anybody's guess at this point.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Dude, just so you know............I don't know if they will get it right. I have no idea.
I don't know if they will get it wrong or right. No clue.
I am just fighting all these people who act like they KNOW the FO sucks. They don't know squat. They really, really do not.
I don't know, either. But, I am sick of these blowhards acting like they freaking KNOW our FO are the Stooges and buffoons. That is complete and utter BS! And I will fight them. Guaranteed................just like I fought dudes who thought Belichick was a terrible coach. Just like I fought guys who thought Timid was a going to be a Pro Bowler. Just like I fought guys who thought BQ was a franchise QB. Just like I fought you about TRich. On and on.............
Quote: i'm down for a young OC. i think they could be the best.
we had one already...
anyway, yea i agree. my thing is, if we had to choose, it probably WOULD be JM if we went that route.
i mean we can say what we want about gase, and i'm sure he does a great job, but lets be honest, Manning runs that show there. i'd be concerned about his QB development with another guy.
at the end of the day, i can't really deny what JM has done in NE. having Tom brady doesn't hurt, but tom brady doesn't have weapons like manning does. i mean manning got slot WR's that would be a #1 or 2 on other teams. JM has to be creative all the time. so i'd be willing to go that route. but...he's taken his name out.
so its anybody's guess at this point.
Manning is one of the best football minds in today's football. We don't penalize guys for working with Belichick and other (Future) HoF coaches so why should we do it with Peyton?
thats an excellent point CHS, thats why i would just be in wait and see mode.
imo, i just feel a OC making it happen with average talent, is more valuable than an OC working with the greatest QB of all time with Pro Bowl play makers at every skill position. he won't have that if he came here. thats why i wouldn't be excited, nor sad at the same time, just wait and see.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
well the T rich trade, i eventually came around to that being a good thing.
but it just sucked because we really didn't get any better production out of that move. i'm glad we got a 1st pick for him, but what scared me vers, was AFTER the trade, all questions about the OL run blocking was answered, and it wasn't a positive one.
well, we got cap space galore, loaded draft picks. this FO set the standard on what they expect from the HC, yes?
then they need to make sure they do whatever it takes, as far as personnel, to put him in the best situation. i won't complain at the end of next season if it doesn't work out the way we want, all i want to see is the FO tried to get the best players at the right price.
hell, for the fluke chance that we get teddy or manziel, and they play like dog crap the first year, i will NEVER put that on the FO, because thats a chance we have to take, and any one of us would've made the same decision.
so i'm just in wait and see mode. my initial pissed off post were emotional based. everything that happened, is done and can't be changed.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The Lions are hiring Jim Caldwell. Can we all say a prayer for our brethren in football pain? Pat Shurmur might have been the only person they could have hired that would have been worse.
How? You're basing your opinion off a guy, who's QB (manning) got injured, and became the scapegoat for a 2-14 season where everybody knows "suck for luck".
There's a reason harbaugh made him the OC going into the playoffs. And what do you know, they now have SB rings.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
He was good with Peyton Manning. But even while he had Manning he made horrible decisions on the field all the time. Once Manning was gone he went 2-14 and got fired. Yes, he did well for the Ravens for about five weeks, but that was probably just because he was not Cam Cameron. This past season, Caldwell's first full season as the offensive coordinator, the Ravens had the 29th rated offense in yards gained, 25th in points scored, 18th in passing yards, 30th in rushing yards, and 32nd (last) in yards per play. Caldwell was also 26-63 as the head coach of Wake Forest.
I understand your point. I just think he'll do fine.
I mean.. If he has the lions in the playoffs next season and 2015, I'd say the lions made an excellent hire.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
if that does happen, then 3 AFC North co-ordinators would have been hired away (and who knows how many from those respective staffs go with them).
That would also mean we should be able to pick whomever we want from what's left. Wouldn't it be something if the Vikings hire their coach and then the Browns really go after someone like Malzan knowing it's either them or he stays at Auburn? I'm not saying I'd be for or against it, but it would be something!
There may be people who have more talent than you, but there's no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do. -Derek Jeter
Quote: if that does happen, then 3 AFC North co-ordinators would have been hired away (and who knows how many from those respective staffs go with them).
and yet our OC / DC remain untouched... does that seem odd?
I was thinking the same thing, no word on Turner or Horton being looked at. They do have permission to talk to other teams, pretty sure I read that all of our coaches were able to.
They were considered great hires a year ago, and I am surprised that one year here would taint them to the point that they are done in this league. Are they hanging around, waiting to see what happens with our HC hire? Or is it just that no one wants them?
whisenhut with tenn, and believe it or not, i like the caldwell hire in detroit.
i dunno why people give caldwell flak. he did good when his QB wasn't injured. he was the scapegoat when manning went down, plain and simple. you CAN'T win with garbage QB play, i think our team has proven that year in and year out. there's a reason harbaugh made the swap for him to be the OC for that superbowl run.
the thing with tenn. i don't think they should've fired munchak, but at least they got a HC with credibility, so there's that.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
It's a weird offseason of coaching moves. Not a lot of solid names, just a bunch of also-rans moving around, and unfortunately they are the best candidates out there for us to pick from.
The pool of people to choose from that would seem like truly good candidates is really, really tiny, and gets smaller by the day, it seems.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Gase has never been a HC at ANY level, not even HS or College. He was an assistant for 10 years and now is Peyton's play call clipboard holder for 12 months. He was his QB coach in 2012 and Tim Tebows last QB coach in 2011who completed 46.5% of his passes (but at least "beat" the Steelers in the POS, lol)....I mean: REALLY?
Can anyone give me SOMETHING of substantial on the guy? Or is it just more hearsay? A recommendation from Peyton, who's basically his own OC, isn't really enough for me…..after all, Bellichick recommended Lombardi too (without hiring him). Accorsi recommended Mangini etc etc…What are Gase's positives? Why does he qualify for HC with such a low profile? Do we really have to be the training ground "to find out" again?
#gmstrong
"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
Well hopefully our jockey has been pulling the reigns back and showing us dead last...Lets get all those bets down...and give the signal to the jockey to let loose...
Well I did start out with "hopefully"
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Quote: That puts us in the driver's seat! I'm sure that was the plan all along!
In all seriousness, this is not a bad spot to be in. We can wait until the playoffs are over and not have to compete with other teams for interviews. Also, the candidates who are currently available will still be available at the end of the month.
We want to be patient and take our time finding our next fire... I mean Hire Browns fans! Don't mind that we impatiently fired Chud after one season. He didn't even make it 24 hours after his final game.
We want to hire the best coach Browns Fans!... but we wait till everyone hires the best out there. After that, we pick over the best remains on the scrap pile that was already thin in quality and more than likely hire someone with less coaching experience than the guy we fired.
