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I'm not as patient. If Haslam REALLY senses he did a mistake too with those clowns (as some suggest/interpret it) and is taking over the deciding power in this search, THEN their fate is all but sealed anyway. They're lame duck "decision makers".
It's another Holmgren-Mangini situation, just at the FO level. What's the point? If you start over, might as well do it right asap.
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Am I the only one that feels being a browns fan is like stepping into an Escher painting? Do we fish or cut bait Mangini was a wasted year we should have acted sooner, Chud was a knee jerk reaction we should have acted later. Holmgren was an egomaniac living off his success as a coach and parlayed that into a position he was not ready for, is Banner an egomaniac that parlayed his success as GM into a position he was not ready for? We traded late picks to move up one spot for a player that was probably going tp be there anyway, are we preparing to trade anyway late picks to move to grab a QB that may be there anyway? Will that new high draft pick be as big a disappointment as that last high draft pick Shurmer was picked less on substance and more on relationship, Lombardi was hired more on relationship and less on track record. aaaiiiieeee ... run screaming into the nite. 
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He he
I don't know about an "Escher Painting" but that post was funny.
Sorry to take that shot at Farmer, but if they had a Hardknocks marathon tomorrow, and replayed the entire KC series, many of you would say I underplayed it. Once the Ozzie comparison was made and I looked at Ozzie's accomplishments, I let loose. Maybe Farmer is an entirely different guy now. Maybe he has improved tremendously over the past 6 years. Its certainly possible.
I just want a star Head Coach and a Franchise Quarterback. Give me that and you can put patches of Lombardi's face on the uniform sleeves for all I care.
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Am I the only one that feels being a browns fan is like stepping into an Escher painting?
Do we fish or cut bait
Mangini was a wasted year we should have acted sooner, Chud was a knee jerk reaction we should have acted later.
Holmgren was an egomaniac living off his success as a coach and parlayed that into a position he was not ready for, is Banner an egomaniac that parlayed his success as GM into a position he was not ready for?
We traded late picks to move up one spot for a player that was probably going tp be there anyway, are we preparing to trade anyway late picks to move to grab a QB that may be there anyway?
Will that new high draft pick be as big a disappointment as that last high draft pick
Shurmer was picked less on substance and more on relationship, Lombardi was hired more on relationship and less on track record.
aaaiiiieeee ... run screaming into the nite.
Good stuff man....impressive.
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I don't know about an "Escher Painting" but that post was funny.
Sorry to take that shot at Farmer, but if they had a Hardknocks marathon tomorrow, and replayed the entire KC series, many of you would say I underplayed it. Once the Ozzie comparison was made and I looked at Ozzie's accomplishments, I let loose. Maybe Farmer is an entirely different guy now. Maybe he has improved tremendously over the past 6 years. Its certainly possible.
I just want a star Head Coach and a Franchise Quarterback. Give me that and you can put patches of Lombardi's face on the uniform sleeves for all I care.
I give you Escher.
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Oooooh... MC Escher- I got ALL his CD's....
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And tell me about Marla? Is she a regular reporter or an opinion reporter? Because her language is certainly not objective. If she is a regular beat writer and supposed to be reporting the news in regards to the Browns, she should be fired!!! Her language is designed to persuade people to think a certain way. Now, if she is an editorial writer or one who is paid to simply offer opinions, than I somewhat get it.
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Still............what is fueling her hate? Were she and Chud romantically involved? Sheesh, the next Ozzie............really? Tell us why, Marla. Please?
Hate? Romantically involved with Chud? Really? Can you not accept the fact that people do not have the same opinion you have of this FO? Not everyone who doesn't get the warm and fuzzies about this FO loved the last one. I find it odd that you are so certain of that in some of your posts. Not everything is a hate filled agenda opinion about this FO. They have screwed up some stuff, and until they do something to instill trust they are going to be questioned.
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Hate? Romantically involved with Chud? Really? Can you not accept the fact that people do not have the same opinion you have of this FO? Not everyone who doesn't get the warm and fuzzies about this FO loved the last one. I find it odd that you are so certain of that in some of your posts. Not everything is a hate filled agenda opinion about this FO. They have screwed up some stuff, and until they do something to instill trust they are going to be questioned.
This common sense logic has been pointed out to him many times. It hasn't worked for anyone so far but I most certainly wish you the very best of luck.
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Okay, if she isn't a beat reporter......I get how she can had her opinions to the article. No problem. It was okay that I asked the question.....right?
I would say it's hate. Marla is the one who said if we didn't promote Farmer and fire Lombardi, it would be a monumental gaffe. She is the one who compared him to Ozzy. If she thought he was that great and really feels so strongly about it, why in the heck did she not even mention it in her previous article about fixing the Browns?
All of a sudden, it's the most important thing the Browns should do? I call BS!
Again, what has Farmer done to make her--and others---so sure that he is the next great GM? I think he is a respected guy, but I want to know how she can say he might be the next Ozzie. What has he done to make it imperative that we promote him?
And if he is so great, maybe we should give credit to the people who pried him away from KC. Who might that be? Or, do we want to ignore that part because it doesn't fit in w/the rest of our thoughts on this FO?
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To be fair, she didn't really say that Farmer was the next Ozzie. She asked the question: "What IF he becomes the next Ozzie?" here's the excerpt I was talking about: Quote:
"There is no certainty Farmer will be as successful as the Ravens’ Newsome...."
"Newsome is the man Farmer and his peers hope to follow..."
"But what if Farmer does possess some of Newsome’s talents? Are the Browns prepared to let him walk..."
-a small, but important distinction.
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I would say it's hate. Marla is the one who said if we didn't promote Farmer and fire Lombardi, it would be a monumental gaffe
I haven't read enough of her stuff to really form an opinion of her. But that sentence sound a lot like it's her opinions.
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This is something that people have, you have them. Often, when someone disagrees with your opinion, it leads to ridicule at your hand!
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: the act of ridiculing : derision, mockery
It's my opinion, that's what you do to anyone who doesn't share you beliefs on any subject.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
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Dolphins announce that Ray Farmer has been interviewedPosted by Mike Florio on January 11, 2014, 7:07 PM EST Regarded as the frontrunner to succeed Jeff Ireland as the General Manager of the Dolphins, Ray Farmer officially has completed his interview. The team has announced that Farmer’s interview has been completed. Farmer, 39, serves as the assistant General Manager of the Browns. He was hired from the Chiefs last year, and he was a fourth-round pick of the Eagles in 1996. He’s the fourth candidate whose interview has been announced by the Dolphins. On Friday, Miami announced that Dolphins assistant G.M. Brian Gaine, Steelers director of football and business administration Omar Khan, and Cardinals V.P. of player personnel Jason Licht had been interviewed. The Dolphins have committed to transparency when it comes to identifying the candidate for the job.
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Again, what has Farmer done to make her--and others---so sure that he is the next great GM?
Well he has been involved with better drafts than Lombardi has over his career.
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Again, what has Farmer done to make her--and others---so sure that he is the next great GM?
Well he has been involved with better drafts than Lombardi has over his career.
And I believe that's where the "hope" comes from.
People seem to dismiss Lombardi's track record by saying those drafts weren't his decisions. Yet there is no evidence of that.
What many people do know, is that he was an NFL GM, in title, in pay and saying the results were poor, is an understatement.
Many claimed that Lombardi would have a reduced role. But nobody seems to have any evidence of that either.
So some seemed to "hope" that Farmer was brought in to do a lot of the GM's duties. That he would be given an increased role.
People look at the resume' of Lombardi and either understand that body of work, or make excuses for it. IMO, if you don't say "what if Farmer could be the next Ozzie Newsome", the reality of the other choice isn't very promising.
JMHO
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Farmer is also black which fulfills teams requirements in interviewing one black candidate.
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I could be wrong, but I didn't think that there was such a requirement for the front office .... just for head coaching openings.
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The requirement is there for both positions. We interviewed Farmer last year when everyone knew Lombardi was the guy all along.
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So any news on Farmer - hope he stays here. I think he might be Haslam's choice thought it was weird when we brought him here after interviewing n not picking him for the job.
Lombardi is on thin ice I think???
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It's funny reading the media talking about the Dolphins looking for a GM is like reading about the Browns looking for a coach.. they call it a dysfunctional organization, talk about how they will have trouble finding a really solid candidate to take the job, etc...
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I guess for a guy like Farmer, it may depend greatly on how he perceives what transpired here. Kind of a lesser of two evils thing. But yes, the reports coming out of there don't fare any better.
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Kudos, dude! Good write. No you are not the only one, but I must point out that the Escher thang is on a good day. Sometimes it is bad. This "search" we started after a poorly handled decision is becoming laughable in length and breadth. Get the guy on board. It is looney toonz how many we see, how long it takes, etc. Just disappointing me as we head for the second dozen or so candidates. Glad for thorough, on board for "bold" as long as it is not coded for stoopid; but we will have a buffet of leftovers to choose from. Not sure I believe the front office knows what they want if they need to look under this many rocks.  
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Bro, I actually brought up promoting Farmer and taking some of Lombardi's power before Marlo ever wrote that article.
Guys............just stop w/the nonsense. Please?
If keeping him was NOT one of her top things to do if she owned the Browns, how is it such a huge travesty that he leaves?
Come on, man. Play fair. I expect for guys like Pit, Dj, Daman, and others to post BS to further their cause, but not you, GM! Oh, and Jules.......you too. I respect you. It's okay if we disagree, but let's be honest about what's happening. Please?
Just play fair.
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Bro you should no by now I don't go along with the crowd I post my own thoughts and feelings based on my own thoughts and information. Not anybody else's. Farmers track record with teams he was involved with is was better than Lombardi's that's what I posted and that's what i mean. I never said he was the next Ozzie I only think the record speaks for itself and we have a chance to improve with him involved in the draft while I feel we have little chance with Lombardi involved. So please feel free to point out just what BS I posted bro.
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My point was that I was arguing that Marlo said it would be some epic gaffe if we didn't fire Lombardi and hire Farmer, but yet she didn't mention it in her things to fix the Browns article.
Poop!!! Everything gets twisted around after several posts are made.
Never mind.
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My point was that I was arguing that Marlo said it would be some epic gaffe if we didn't fire Lombardi and hire Farmer, but yet she didn't mention it in her things to fix the Browns article.
Poop!!! Everything gets twisted around after several posts are made.
Never mind.
Yes it does.
In the "ten things" article, she specified roster changes and upgrades to positions on the field. Nothing else.
Somehow that has been twisted into why she didn't list Farmer.
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My point was that I was arguing that Marlo said it would be some epic gaffe if we didn't fire Lombardi and hire Farmer, but yet she didn't mention it in her things to fix the Browns article.
Poop!!! Everything gets twisted around after several posts are made.
Never mind.
Yes it does.
In the "ten things" article, she specified roster changes and upgrades to positions on the field. Nothing else.
Somehow that has been twisted into why she didn't list Farmer.
She didn't even mention hiring a new coach.. maybe she thinks we shouldn't do that either.
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she probably just stopped at her top ten things, we all know the list could go well past that number. 
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Bro you should no by now I don't go along with the crowd I post my own thoughts and feelings based on my own thoughts and information. Not anybody else's. Farmers track record with teams he was involved with is was better than Lombardi's that's what I posted and that's what i mean. I never said he was the next Ozzie I only think the record speaks for itself and we have a chance to improve with him involved in the draft while I feel we have little chance with Lombardi involved. So please feel free to point out just what BS I posted bro.
That's your trouble GM... your too shy
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Haven't heard much on this front in awhile. Maybe the Browns are doing what they can to keep Farmer?
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Maybe the Miami job is too toxic! 
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Heard their fans and media people are just awful to everyone.
Think if he leaves he'll hold a made for TV special and say he's taking his talents to south beach?
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Browns exec Ray Farmer, a finalist for the Dolphins GM job, has opted to stay with Cleveland. Will not take second interview with Miami
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Apparently he's ok with the Pettine hire.
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Browns exec Ray Farmer, a finalist for the Dolphins GM job, has opted to stay with Cleveland. Will not take second interview with Miami
Promote him and send Guy Lombardo packing...
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Browns exec Ray Farmer, a finalist for the Dolphins GM job, has opted to stay with Cleveland. Will not take second interview with Miami
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