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Is Luol Deng expected to play against the Jazz?
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I think that he'll play some. How much I don't know, but the reports are that he is picking up things really quickly.
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I think that he'll play some. How much I don't know, but the reports are that he is picking up things really quickly.
and, even if he is not, a "lost" Deng is still better than a "fËÙÛd" Gee or Clark.
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Two guys to think about for the draft- Zach LaVine from UCLA and Mitch Mcgary. I'd do anything I could to land Mitch.
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Jabari Parker may be taking 2 years off to complete a mission (Mormon)
Do you still take him in the Top 3?
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Do you still take him in the Top 3?
NO!! sorry the time to compete is now, enough of the rebuild. Keep screwing around and some of the pieces are going to be gone.
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we already thinking about drafts?
is our team that screwed up already?
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Do you still take him in the Top 3?
NO!! sorry the time to compete is now, enough of the rebuild. Keep screwing around and some of the pieces are going to be gone.
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Other than Kyrie, who should we be scared of leaving?
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NO!! sorry the time to compete is now, enough of the rebuild. Keep screwing around and some of the pieces are going to be gone.
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Other than Kyrie, who should we be scared of leaving?
I wince when I think about the day that Earl Clark is announcing that he's taking his talents to the church league...
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I was speaking generally. Not even for the Cavs.
As an NBA team. Do you take a guy who's not ganna player for two years. In the Top 5.
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NO!! sorry the time to compete is now, enough of the rebuild. Keep screwing around and some of the pieces are going to be gone.
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Other than Kyrie, who should we be scared of leaving?
Deng! (oh wait, he'll have a decision by then).
The correct answer: the fans who buy tickets.
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I was speaking generally. Not even for the Cavs.
As an NBA team. Do you take a guy who's not ganna player for two years. In the Top 5.
Hell it'd probably take him an extra year to get back in basketba shape mentally and physically.
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Do you still take him in the Top 3?
My initial answer - yes
The PTI guys answer - YES (remember David Robinson was drafted before he went into the Navy for two years, that seemed to work out for everyone).
If he's good enough to be picked in the Top 3 then yes. Sure it won't be easy to wait, but if the next 2-3 guys don't fit a need and aren't that great, don't pass on a guy that could end up playing for 10-12 years.
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So when it comes to the NBA, I really just pay attention to the Cavs and not so much to the rest of the league. What happened to the eastern conference that there are only 3 teams above .500?
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
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NO!! sorry the time to compete is now, enough of the rebuild. Keep screwing around and some of the pieces are going to be gone.
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Well thats the first, and biggest piece of this rebuild project. So pretty much that is my first concern
Other than Kyrie, who should we be scared of leaving?
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So when it comes to the NBA, I really just pay attention to the Cavs and not so much to the rest of the league. What happened to the eastern conference that there are only 3 teams above .500?
The Celtics dismantled, the Bulls are pretty much in tank mode, the Nets added some guys but were way overhyped, and the Knicks are the Knicks.
The East hasn't been good in forever, it's just that right now, it's probably at an all time low, although the top 2 teams are legitimate title contenders.
It makes the Cavs woes even more inexcusable.
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The Cavaliers biggest problem is that they stink away from home.
At home, they are 10-8. On the road, they are 2-15.
I am hopeful that Deng can gel quickly with the team, because I think that we stand a chance of winning 2 or maybe even 3 games on this road trip.
Utah is one of the worst team in the West. I think they are beatable.
Sacramento is the worst team in the West, with only 11 wins. I think that they are beatable.
The Lakers are the 3rd worst team in the West. I think that they are beatable.
Portland? Not a real good chance that we win this one. The Blazers are a very good team.Could we beat them? Maybe. Will we? Unlikely. Very unlikely.
Denver is a middle ground team. They are currently one game under .500, and just out of the playoffs. Nonetheless, this will be a tough game. This is a winnable game, but it will take a huge effort from the Cavaliers to win it.
My expectation is that we win 2 of 5. Deng is working his way into the Cavaliers lineup, and the team has to learn to play with a legitimate 3. I do think that's an easier adjustment than mearning to play with a legitimate Center. However, there will be growing pains along the way. I do think that we could win as many as 4 games, but it is highly unlikely that this happens. I think that a highly successful road trip would be winning 3-5. After winning only 2 of our last 10 games, winning 2 or 3 of 5 would be incredible.
I am really excited about the addition of Deng to this team. I hope that he fits in well, because I think that we stand a real chance of signing him long term.
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I was speaking generally. Not even for the Cavs.
As an NBA team. Do you take a guy who's not ganna player for two years. In the Top 5.
Hell it'd probably take him an extra year to get back in basketba shape mentally and physically.
Could he, leave Duke, Go on his mission, Then come back and play another year at Duke?
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Yeah, at worst he'd be a senior. I think the NCAA has weird rules with missionary work and eligibility. Just look at half of BYUs team.
Luol Deng has to love Mike Brown. He's used to going 40+ minutes a game under Thibs and he's only played for 21 minutes with 6 minutes left in the 4th.
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I kinda like that 3 Guard set. It was a so-so 1st game for Deng. I can't wait to see how he does when he gets in sync with the rest of the team. I am really excited about this team going forward. I really think that they can not only get to the playoffs, but can get to the 4th - 6th spot. Sometimes all it takes is that one move to pull a team together. I think that this will be that move. I said it before, and I'll say it again ...... a starting 5 of Irving, Miles, Deng, Varejao, and Thompson is a damn good group. I would prefer to see Waiters as able to move in to the starting lineup, but he is really nice as a "super 6th man". Jack and Zeller look like really solid backups. I really hope that we can find one more big man to step up as a backup. We really need either Bennett or Clark to step up and contribute. I do wish that the Cavaliers would send Bennett down to Canton to play a lot of minutes and get time on the court. He really needs to get his confidence back, and to get into game shape. The D League is a nice place to get players minutes, and to develop them. That is what Bennett needs. Sitting on the bench for the vast majority of the game does him no good. Anyway, I can't wait to see how Deng fits in longer term. I really think that this will be "the move" that turns this team into a playoff team. I think that this team has talent, but really needs that leader to show them the way. Deng is a guy who is never outworked by anyone, and he already seems excited about taking a veteran leadership role. 1 game down on this 5 game trip, with 1 win. Bring on game 2! 
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I said it before, and I'll say it again ...... a starting 5 of Irving, Miles, Deng, Varejao, and Thompson is a damn good group.
That lineup is a 6-7-8 seed/lottery squad in one of the worst conferences the NBA has ever seen.
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I said it before, and I'll say it again ...... a starting 5 of Irving, Miles, Deng, Varejao, and Thompson is a damn good group.
That lineup is a 6-7-8 seed/lottery squad in one of the worst conferences the NBA has ever seen.
Damn good? You're doing it on purpose now, aren't you?
I might sound like a homer, but they could creep to the 3 seed. That's because Atlanta isn't that good either. They shoot a ton of jumpers and they will eventually go on a cold streak. We could beat them in the first round. However, I've got a feeling Brooklyn and New York are going to surge and start winning.
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y'all seen how deng played last night? not too bad. new team, limited minutes.
the good part though, is that we won.
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I said it before, and I'll say it again ...... a starting 5 of Irving, Miles, Deng, Varejao, and Thompson is a damn good group.
That lineup is a 6-7-8 seed/lottery squad in one of the worst conferences the NBA has ever seen.
Damn good? You're doing it on purpose now, aren't you?
No, that group is potentially a 70+ PPG starting 5. As I said earlier in this thread, that is what they average, and sooner or later, averages become trends. As Deng works his way into the lineup, who knows what he'll be ...... but one thing is fairly certain, and thats; the fact that he is a "glue" type player, and a leader. He is also paying at a superstar level this season. (and has been getting better and better over the past several years)
He is a legitimate superstar player. Irving is a legitimate superstar player. Thompson is a double double guy at a tough position to stand out at.Varejao was a double double machine last year, and his play this year is a big part of the reason that we dumped Bynum.
So .... 2 superstar caliber players, and 2 double double guys is a lottery starting lineup? Really?
I think that Deng pulls this team together. This is a team with talent, but that is somewhat disjointed, It needs a leade on the floor. I think that will be Deng.
Yes, I disagree that this 5, with Varejao, Thompson, Deng, Irving, and Miles, (or Waiters) is a lottery lineup. I think that there is talent here, and it just lacked that glue at the 3. Now we have that piece to glue it all together. Deng is exactly what this team needed. He can create his own shot, and knock down a shot from outside. With Irving and Waiters, we have a pair of Guards who can drive and dish, and Deng is definitely a guy who can knock those kind of shots down.
So no ..... I do not think that the starting 5, with Deng, is a lottery group at best. I think that Deng helps this team make the playoffs, and not just an 8th seed. We'll see what happens here out. I do lie the way that you have positioned yourself though. a 6-7-8 seed at best ... well, if they manage to get to a 4 or 5 seed, then you weren't too far off ..... if they are a lottery team again, you were right ..... It is highly unlikely that this team, with the hole they have dug themselves, will make it to the 3 seed or above. Again, let me say, well done. Nicely positioned to be right almost no matter what happens.
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I'll admit I am not as up on the NBA as I was years ago.
But Deng is a superstar player? Isn't that a stretch?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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But Deng is a superstar player? Isn't that a stretch?
Maybe a bit ...... but he is a guy who can get you almost 20 every night. He also pulls down 6 or 7 boards per night, and is a solid defender on the wing. He can create his own shot, and can knock down a shot from the outside. I am trying to think of how many better SF there are in the East, and I come up with a pretty short list. Lebron and Carmelo are probably at the top. After that though ..... Well, I think that Rudy Gay and Evan Turner are overrated. Paul George looks like an up and coming player. We just shut out Thad Young the other night. That really drives a player down in my eyes.
Given Deng's consistency over the years, the fact that he can be counted on for 15-17 pretty consistently, along with 6 rebounds and 3 assists ... that puts him pretty high on the list of SF to me. Maybe he's not a superstar, but I do think that he's that next tier, just below the superstar players. As a SF, that's pretty damn good. His consistency really drives up his value to me.
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But Deng is a superstar player? Isn't that a stretch?
He's a superstar role player. He's probably a top 5 role player. He doesn't need the ball to be effective. He's unselfish and a good leader. He also plays 110% on defense.
However you're right. He's definetly not a superstar in the sense of LBJ, Durant and etc.
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I look at how Irving and Deng could be as a duo on the Cavaliers, and I like it. Right now they average 40.8 PPG, 9.7 APG, and 9.6 RPG. That is beyond solid. The question is whether Deng will improve his numbers with the Cavaliers, stay the same, or fall off somewhat.
I look at the games we played prior to the Deng trade, and man, we were so close to "not losing" a bunch of games. We lost by 2 in double OT to the Hawks. We lost to the Celtics by 3. We lost to Golden State by 4 in OT. We got killed by Indiana. We beat the Magic in OT. We did lose to the Nets by 7. We then played the Pacers without Irving and lost by 4.
4 of those games were extremely winnable, if only we'd had another scoring option. Now we do. I think that will make a huge difference for this team. Teams will not be able to nail down Irving at the expense of anyone else at the end of games. Deng is a dangerous option. Do you single cover him and double Irving? You can't double both of them. Deng can play away from the basket, allowing Irving or Waiters to drive the hoop. He can draw the defense away from the basket, allowing Varejao or Thompson to attack underneath the basket. So now we can play high percentage basketball, with a SF who doesn't have to play under the basket to have any shot offensively,
I look at the top teams in the East, and what do I see?
The Pacers are a well rounded team, really with George playing like a superstar, and then a bunch of players making good contributions.
Miami has their big 3 combining for 60 PPG, 18 RPG, and 12 APG. The rest of their team is largely pieces.
The Hawks have Teague and Milsap ..... and pieces.
After the Hawks, you move down to .500 and below.
I see no reason why the Cavaliers can't make a run now that they have a 2nd true option on the court, and an established veteran at that. .
I loved the trade when it was announced, and I love it more now.
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2-0 in the Deng/non-Bynum era!
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I think that we stand a good chance of making it 3-0 tomorrow night against the Kings.
I wanted to come back from this road trip with at least 2 wins, and preferably 3. I think that we stand a good chance of doing it.
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Get Anthony Bennet to a sports shrink because I know he has more game than we've seen! Bad case of performance anxiety or something! 
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Get Anthony Bennet to a sports shrink because I know he has more game than we've seen! Bad case of performance anxiety or something!
I really wish the Cavaliers would send him down to the D League to get some heavy minutes. I think that he could pull himself out of this funk to some extent if he could play 30 MPG for a couple of weeks, and have some success. I don't think that it does him any good to sit on the bench in Cleveland.
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Agree. They're playing him (to save face?) but it's a disservice to him.
Set him down, explain what and why you're doing it and thumb your nose at the flak you WILL take from the media. So what! Develop the kid and maybe get the last laugh! We know the guy is talented!
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exactly, for this reason alone grant should be fired..you draft someone first overall..thats a huge investment and you don't even give him a chance to succeed, you've basically set him up to fail.
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I look at how Irving and Deng could be as a duo on the Cavaliers, and I like it. Right now they average 40.8 PPG, 9.7 APG, and 9.6 RPG. That is beyond solid. The question is whether Deng will improve his numbers with the Cavaliers, stay the same, or fall off somewhat.
Expect Deng's numbers to drop off some. He's a career 17-18 p/36 guy. I don't see Mike Brown giving him 38-40 minutes a night. Probably more in the mid- to high-20s.
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I look at how Irving and Deng could be as a duo on the Cavaliers, and I like it. Right now they average 40.8 PPG, 9.7 APG, and 9.6 RPG. That is beyond solid. The question is whether Deng will improve his numbers with the Cavaliers, stay the same, or fall off somewhat.
Expect Deng's numbers to drop off some. He's a career 17-18 p/36 guy. I don't see Mike Brown giving him 38-40 minutes a night. Probably more in the mid- to high-20s.
That's a possibility.
Another is that he will benefit from playing alongside guys like Irving and Waiters, who can drive a dish. He could see some really wide open looks.
It will be interesting to see how things develop.
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They should be able to get the 3rd seed. The hawks don't have Horford, I don't think they are a legit team without him. I am so glad the Bynum experiment is over. He was too slow to play defense, and he limited us in transition. With TT, and Andy, we could play more up-tempo, as they run the floor better. Now with Deng, there should be better ball movement, and he is deadly with the mid range jumpers, something we havn't had since Lebron left. The cavs finally managed to do something right this year.
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2-0 in the Deng/non-Bynum era!
You know, I think this trade had a serious (positive) psychological impact on the team. For the first time since Lebron left, we have a starting-caliber small forward. It doesn't look like we're holding the spot open, hoping our abusive significant other will come back to us after they're done having their fun with some hot other person. I think it helps motivate the team that they are not just one of the teams on the side hoping they'll be good again, or that it's pointless to play until LeBron comes back.
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Hall of Famer
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Hall of Famer
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They certainly weren't motivated tonight.
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