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Pluto thinks that the college coaches are all smokescreens.There is a little more about some other candidates. Terry's Talkin' about the Browns' coaching search, the Luol Deng deal and the Tribe's bargain hunting | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/01/terrys_talkin_about_the_browns_1.htmlAbout the Browns coaching search ... Here's what I'm hearing: 1. They never seriously considered a college coach -- most of the talk was driven by agents wanting to drive up the value of their coaching clients. 4. I hear the Browns have an interest in some coaches whose teams are still in the playoffs. Furthermore, while they already talked to Seattle's Dan Quinn, they may want to have another discussion with the Seattle defensive coordinator. 5. I also hear they are intrigued by Adam Gase, the Denver offensive coordinator. But Gase said he would not talk to teams until after the playoffs. He would be a very risky hire because he has been an offensive coordinator for only one year. He was Peyton Manning's quarterback coach before that. He's only 35, never been a head coach at any level. The Browns haven't interviewed him yet, so this is not to make him into a leading candidate. It's simply to say that they really do want to talk to him.
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I'm not sure the "never been a HC" thing bugs me much.
What kind of organizer are you? Can you delegate well? Are you a leader of men? Can you think quickly and rationally? Are you bold when need be and conservative when called for? etc. You get it I'm sure.
I like Quinn and admit I do not know much about Gase. I do think if your looking for a long term guy get him in his 30's and grow with him!
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From what I heard it was more Banner with imput from Lombardi..Haslem may have been in it to a degree, but it was mostly the people who brought in the players that they wanted to play over the ones who weren't released..BTW include Little and the RG Lauvao.
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I can see a guy say he would come here with some final say, or a bigger say, and Haslam allowing that.
In the end, this isn't about what Banner or Lombardi wants. It's about what Haslam wants.
Like it or not.....Haslam is a fairly active owner. He may not be like Al Davis was or Jerry Jones is, but he isn't a wall flower like Randy or his father. He is going to voice his opinon, and pull the trigger if needed.
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a BIG NAME Coach that would come here under current conditions
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nope. not bold. but bold doesn't mean smart, and this, imo, would be a smart hire.
guess I should have put that "is it bold" in purple -it was kind of meant as a backslap to the FO. I think Ken would be a fantastic hire. Can't believe Detroit hasn't snagged him yet.
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Browns candidates have been calling Rob Chudzinski http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...-rob-chudzinskiQuote:
The Cleveland Browns remain on a quest for their next head coach.
NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Sunday on "NFL GameDay Morning" that the team still "would really like to talk" with Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase, who refused an interview request earlier this month to focus on the playoffs.
If Denver loses to the San Diego Chargers on Sunday, Rapoport was told Cleveland "will likely move on (Gase) quickly."
The Browns also spent Saturday talking with Chargers coordinator Ken Whisenhunt and "like" Packers quarterbacks coach Ben McAdoo, per Rapoport, reinforcing the belief that team owner Jimmy Haslam, CEO Joe Banner and general manager Michael Lombardi seek an offensive-minded coach to replace the fired Rob Chudzinski.
Chud, incidentally, is an issue for the Browns. Rapoport was told that candidates have been calling the one-and-done coach, asking what exactly went down in C-Town this season.
"He's been honest with them," Rapoport said. "When you talk to people involved in these interviews, it doesn't sound like Banner, Lombardi and Haslam have all been on the same page."
Patriots coordinator Josh McDaniels extracted himself from the search, while James Franklin, Bill O'Brien and Gus Malzahn -- once on the radar -- are all out of the mix.
It initially appeared that Haslam and friends fired Chudzinski to pull the trigger on a big-name, potentially secret candidate -- but that's not the case. Barring a stunner, there's no clear, sexy front-runner in Cleveland.
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Browns candidates have been calling Rob Chudzinski The Cleveland Browns remain on a quest for their next head coach. NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Sunday on "NFL GameDay Morning" that the team still "would really like to talk" with Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase, who refused an interview request earlier this month to focus on the playoffs. If Denver loses to the San Diego Chargers on Sunday, Rapoport was told Cleveland "will likely move on (Gase) quickly." The Browns also spent Saturday talking with Chargers coordinator Ken Whisenhunt and "like" Packers quarterbacks coach Ben McAdoo, per Rapoport, reinforcing the belief that team owner Jimmy Haslam, CEO Joe Banner and general manager Michael Lombardi seek an offensive-minded coach to replace the fired Rob Chudzinski. Chud, incidentally, is an issue for the Browns. Rapoport was told that candidates have been calling the one-and-done coach, asking what exactly went down in C-Town this season. "He's been honest with them," Rapoport said. "When you talk to people involved in these interviews, it doesn't sound like Banner, Lombardi and Haslam have all been on the same page." Patriots coordinator Josh McDaniels extracted himself from the search, while James Franklin, Bill O'Brien and Gus Malzahn -- once on the radar -- are all out of the mix. It initially appeared that Haslam and friends fired Chudzinski to pull the trigger on a big-name, potentially secret candidate -- but that's not the case. Barring a stunner, there's no clear, sexy front-runner in Cleveland. The "Around The League Podcast" is now available on iTunes! Click here to listen and subscribe. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...-rob-chudzinski
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guess I should have put that "is it bold" in purple -it was kind of meant as a backslap to the FO. I think Ken would be a fantastic hire. Can't believe Detroit hasn't snagged him yet.
Detroit can't officially hire him until after the Chargers are out of the playoffs. He still very well could end up in Detroit.
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lol, i wish we could hear the stuff going on in those phone conversations.
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lol, i wish we could hear the stuff going on in those phone conversations.
Wonder if McDaniels was one of those candidates. It would definitely have been interesting to be a fly on the wall. I wonder if Chud really let it fly when they contacted him.
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Lol... "Jimmy looked me in the eye and said, 'boy, you ain't got no balls'.. Joe Banner was eating shrimp in the corner the whole time and occasionally made eye contact or sort of giggled it sounded like. Lombardi entered the room but he was instantly shoo'ed away by both Joe and Jimmy. Come to think of it, that was the only time Banner said anything or talked."  Just messing
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"they only brought lombardi in so whoever he thinks we should draft, we do the opposite".
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The Cleveland Browns remain on a quest for their next head coach.
NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Sunday on "NFL GameDay Morning" that the team still "would really like to talk" with Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase, who refused an interview request earlier this month to focus on the playoffs.
If Denver loses to the San Diego Chargers on Sunday, Rapoport was told Cleveland "will likely move on (Gase) quickly."
The Browns also spent Saturday talking with Chargers coordinator Ken Whisenhunt and "like" Packers quarterbacks coach Ben McAdoo, per Rapoport, reinforcing the belief that team owner Jimmy Haslam, CEO Joe Banner and general manager Michael Lombardi seek an offensive-minded coach to replace the fired Rob Chudzinski.
Chud, incidentally, is an issue for the Browns. Rapoport was told that candidates have been calling the one-and-done coach, asking what exactly went down in C-Town this season.
"He's been honest with them," Rapoport said. "When you talk to people involved in these interviews, it doesn't sound like Banner, Lombardi and Haslam have all been on the same page."
Patriots coordinator Josh McDaniels extracted himself from the search, while James Franklin, Bill O'Brien and Gus Malzahn -- once on the radar -- are all out of the mix.
It initially appeared that Haslam and friends fired Chudzinski to pull the trigger on a big-name, potentially secret candidate -- but that's not the case. Barring a stunner, there's no clear, sexy front-runner in Cleveland.
The "Around The League Podcast" is now available on iTunes! Click here to listen and subscribe.
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This is just sad! As Browns fans we want a promise of better things to come. The problem is this FO has been nothing but a comedy of errors and it is biting them hard in their coaching search.
If Haslam wants to turn this around he needs to rid himself and this team of Banner and Lombardi.
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A report on http://nfl.com that #browns candidates have been calling rob chudzinski and he's been honest are false per lg source.
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A report on http://nfl.com that #browns candidates have been calling rob chudzinski and he's been honest are false per lg source.
You think Mary Kay is just trying to preserve her credentials? Something smells fishy here. Again......
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was language in his severance package preventing that very thing. We haven't even heard him talk to the press yet, and we have to know they (the media) have contacted Chud for comment.
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A report on http://nfl.com that #browns candidates have been calling rob chudzinski and he's been honest are false per lg source.
This wreaks to me of the Browns FO trying to get out in front of the story on the Browns behalf just like they did via MKC with the McDaniels story in that he wasn't their front runner. Also, she was the one to report last year how it was the Browns who walked away from Kelly.
The Browns are in damage control mode and have consistently used MKC as their mouthpiece.
The actions displayed by this organization lead me to believe that Ian Rapoport's reports are far more closer to the truth than what MKC reports. To me, the lack of cohesion is on full display with how and whom the HC search is playing out. I believe Haslem has Banner and Lombardi riding in the backseat now.
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A report on http://nfl.com that #browns candidates have been calling rob chudzinski and he's been honest are false per lg source.
Sounds like 100% damage control to me.
If I was being considered for the job and knew my predecessor just got canned after only a year of service, you darn right I'll be contacting him to see what kind of people I could potentially be working for.
I'm sure her "League source" is Haslam or Banner. 
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It does not matter to me if the candidates are calling Chud or not. What would he say that they don't already know. He was fired less than a year after being hired. He was lied too. That is already well published. The worst part of the story is that some of the interviewed candidates are telling the media it looks like Haslam, Banner, and Lombardi are not on the same page.
What coach worth anything would want to risk their career on a clueless FO that is in disary?
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Trust me I'm not a Mary Kay fan by any stretch, but she has someone in the Browns organization feeding her information.
My hunch is Lombardi. A few national media guys ripped him good last year. Every time a couple of them post something negative Mary Kay appears. Watch negative comments coming from Ian Rapoport or Adam Schein.
I thought the scoop about Stoops a strong candidate was interesting. All the national guys were tweeting it true. Out of no where Mary Kay tweets it is false. Mary Kay got a front page story saying it was false.
If you follow tweeter, Mary Kay seems to have inside connections.
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The actions displayed by this organization lead me to believe that Ian Rapoport's reports are far more closer to the truth than what MKC reports. To me, the lack of cohesion is on full display with how and whom the HC search is playing out. I believe Haslem has Banner and Lombardi riding in the backseat now.
With today's new media (Internet, Twitter) running with every rumor out there, its very difficult to know whats true. That said, the way things are escalating, Haslam has to feel under siege, almost to the point where he needs to sacrifice somebody (Lombardi) and/or demote somebody else (Banner) to CFO just to answer the perception of an totally dysfunctional organization. He then needs to hire a real football guy to be GM who will work in concert with the new coach to guide this team back to respectability, because this is becoming a circus.
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lol, i wish we could hear the stuff going on in those phone conversations.
Wonder if McDaniels was one of those candidates. It would definitely have been interesting to be a fly on the wall. I wonder if Chud really let it fly when they contacted him.
They'd be stupid not to call Chud and the other coaches. If I were considering stepping into this dysfunctional environment, I'd want all the information I could possibly gather before making a decision.
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Does it matter who's right or whos wrong? Either could be true, and we'll never probably know.
It's a dysfuntional FO in Berea, or at least, it appears to be anyway.
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I know you love correcting people, but the guy was referring to big plays on offense. As in Carolina has a lot of big plays when Chud was their coach and Gordon had a lot of big plays for the Browns this past season.
I take it you didn't read the rest of his post before jumping on the I Hate Chud Bandwagon. He said big plays does not equal wins. But Carolina didn't not win because of their offense, they didn't win because of their defense, which was out of Chud's control.
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Browns | Expected to talk with Sean McDermott Sat, 11 Jan 2014 16:19:03 -0800 The Cleveland Browns could interview Carolina Panthers defensive coordinator Sean McDermott for their head coaching position if the Panthers lose their Divisional Round playoff game. Source: CBSSports.com - Jason La Canfora
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was language in his severance package preventing that very thing. We haven't even heard him talk to the press yet, and we have to know they (the media) have contacted Chud for comment.
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was language in his severance package preventing that very thing. We haven't even heard him talk to the press yet, and we have to know they (the media) have contacted Chud for comment.
I'm not exactly sure that's the case, but if Chudzinski was smart and wanted to be hired by an NFL team anytime in the next decade or so, he'll have kept his mouth shut. If he's saying anything nasty about what he thinks the Browns did to him, what team, ownership, general manager would hire him? What's would he say about them if he got axed after another gig?
If it's true, he might be facing a libel suit, forfeiture of the buyout money (and repayment of any that was spent), etc.
It's simply better to say nothing and just go about your biz even if he's been thrown onto an Obamacare Exchange because he lost his health insurance. 
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I agree, Daman. When I saw that article come up on this thread, I was like, Geez, we're never gonna end up with a coach. If it's true, and I'm Chud, I dish on everything all the way down to the ball boy. I wouldn't do it out of spite, but trying to help a colleague out in making an informed decision. I have done this with several colleagues so they knew what they were getting into. At the very least, they weren't blindsided by anything. And, if they chose to proceed, I could spare them the old I told you so...
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Which part is false? That candidates have been calling Chud, or that he's been honest? 
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Oh....ok. I wasn't talking current conditions. I thought I said that I could see haslam change the model and give the coach more say....yep, that's what I said. It's all about what Haslam wants, not what Banner and Lombardi want.
So, this is a good job and this team under performed last season. I think we make the playoffs next year if we get any return on the top drafted players and any FA pick-ups.
Name anybody you want. They may not come here but I don't buy the idea they won't simply because it's Cleveland or things are too screwed up.
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Sounds like 100% damage control to me.
If I was being considered for the job and knew my predecessor just got canned after only a year of service, you darn right I'll be contacting him to see what kind of people I could potentially be working for.
I'm sure her "League source" is Haslam or Banner.
I wouldn't. Why? Unless the team was offering a 1 year deal, I couldn't care less why Chud was canned.
The only thing I might do is leverage it in to a 5 year deal v a 4 year deal.
You guys are acting like Chud is losing money on this. I am no football coach and have never been paid to coach, but the signed contract is all the security I need. That's the only security any coach has, in any sport. That is why you hear them start to complain when they are entering the final year of their contract. They start pushing for a 2-3 year extension, saying it's hard to motivate the team when they are in a lame duck position.
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I'm not exactly sure that's the case, but if Chudzinski was smart and wanted to be hired by an NFL team anytime in the next decade or so, he'll have kept his mouth shut. If he's saying anything nasty about what he thinks the Browns did to him, what team, ownership, general manager would hire him? What's would he say about them if he got axed after another gig?
If it's true, he might be facing a libel suit, forfeiture of the buyout money (and repayment of any that was spent), etc.
It's simply better to say nothing and just go about your biz even if he's been thrown onto an Obamacare Exchange because he lost his health insurance.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
On the contrary, it very well may be that Banner and Lombardi that become the ones on the outside looking in on the NFL. If they get fired, I don't see anyone knocking on their door anytime soon.
I see no problem with Chud answering questions of potential candidates. If I was a candidate my first could would be to Chud asking "what happened there" among other questions. He doesn't strike me as someone with an ax to grind, for crying out loud he just got $10.5M from the FO to not work. And if the FO has any confidence and belief in themselves than they shouldn't have any issues or reason to hide from the idea of potential HCs contacting Chud to acquire information about them.
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I don't see it the same way Peen. Unless the Browns are your only option.
Any HC candidate wants to build a career, a solid resume'. Coaching careers span decades. It's a lifetime gig. If you're making 5 mil. as a college coach with a solid program? Or if you're an OC or even DC on the rise?
In all of these situations you will get your shot as an NFL HC. The opportunities will be there now, or at some point in the near future.
I don't see someone going into a situation they may feel has better odds of hurting their career, than helping to build their resume'. In the past I turned down jobs because I didn't see situations as being stable. I stayed with the job I had until I though the right opportunity presented itself.
I don't know the truth behind these articles. But given the option, I'm not walking in the door of someplace I don't see as stable. for the long term, I feel it could damage my career more than benefit it.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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