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Does anyone know if they did a similar statistical breakdown of the qbs for the past few seasons? It would be really useful to see how these guys look compared to others qbs and not just themselves.
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It's a leap of faith but I'm confident. I'd give 3 firsts for Teddy. Maybe more(not 1sts). Here is my very detailed version of my thought process. This is what I see as the best gameplan when evaluating every aspect of this offseason. Bear with me here. My view is shallow as I will not even try to consider depth/backups.
We have 4 major must fill holes IMO. QB, RB, RG, ILB. Meaning it's a position of high importance(QB), we have no starter material whatsoever(RB,RG) or borderline worst in the NFL starter from 2013(ILB). We have 3 minor holes. WR, CB, FS. It would be nice to fill them but if need be we have guys with starting experience albeit below average results.
4 of these positions are well known to get solid production from later picks if chosen correctly(RB,RG,ILB,FS). This example I will say that our HC has showed success with young late picked ILBs. Our OC has had equal, if not more, success with late round RBs. It also happens to be a very deep talent pool for both positions with elite talent available in round 3-5 compared to most drafts. Say we fill these two must have needs in the 3rd round or later.
That leaves QB and RG as must haves and WR, CB and FS as minor holes.
2 of these positions have deep and talented FA pools(WR,CB) that will mean cheap investments. FS has a shallow pool with elite talent one of which has multiple connections to the browns(Byrd). Given our cap situation it is likely we will come out with 1-3 new starters from FA. For this example I will leave exactly which positions open but lets split the difference and say we get 2 starters from FA at either WR,CB or FS.
That leaves us, pre-draft, with 2 must haves high round starters and 1 minor hole(If you are understanding me technically we still need a RB and ILB but I previously eliminated those as late round fills  ).
So we come into the draft. A few things can happen. I will detail my preference. I sadly don't have time to do other possibilities.
Possibility 1) Houston's pick is available and we want it. We need to consider we must fill the OG position. There is no reason to invest so highly in a QB if we do not intend to protect him. This means we can't just trade our 1st 4 picks away, preferably even our first 3. The value chart, as one poster pointed out calls for our 4, 26 and 35. To help our own needs we keep 35 and instead elect to give Houston our 2015 1st. This solidifies the deal. Teddy Bridgewater is a Brown.
We still kept 35. OG is a strong position in this draft and only one or two prospects should be off the board. We protect our new investment with a top RG prospect.
Very nice thinking. Solid
Bottom line is this is the year we can make serious noise and get our QB of the future AND solidify multiple other areas.
Many don't see this, including all of the media. We are very very close to being a playoff team.
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I hope we do abso-freakin'-lutley nothing to move up
I Absolutely Agree with this statement! If Johnny Football and Bridgewater are both still there (which I Truly Doubt) I hope we get Bridgewater. We need a QB at #$! JMHO Go Brownies!!!!
I'll NEVER understand this mentality and I PRAY that Farmer doesn't have it.
We sit at 4 and you'll take the QB IF HE'S THERE? Obviously you like him enough to make the move at 4 but you won't ball-up to potentially change the entire direction of your franchise (FOR THE BETTER) by going UP to get same QB?
This makes absolutely no sense people.
THIS is the year to do this. Utilize the GIFT we got from Indy and our 2015 1st rounder to swap to 2 or 1 if need be and sprinkle in whatever else is needed if need be to END this QB BS we go through every damn year.
Believe me. If we land the QB of the future and lose our 2015 1st rounder, NOONE will give a poopy about not having that 1st round pick next year.
I don't care if these guys are not Andrew Luck. THEY ARE GOOD QB's.
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I have very limited knowledge on what it takes to move up in the draft. I do think that what the poster told you sounds like too much. We aren't moving up that far. We do have the 4th overall pick. Moving from 4 to 2 isn't that huge.
I really can't tell you what I would give, because I am fairly ignorant when it comes to draft slotting and its value. I'm not ducking the question, I just don't like to answer when I don't know enough about a topic. I will say that we have plenty of ammunition and we are only moving up a few slots, and this is a pretty strong qb class, and I think the timing couldn't be more right. Those are things I am better at.
You say you have limited knowledge of what it takes to move up but you think the poster that told me what he thought it would take was predicting too high a cost? Do I have to explain how that doesn't fit?
It's not a matter of ducking a question. It's a matter of you saying we need to do something but then admitting you have limited knowledge of what the costs are.
We've done the "we've gotta get a QB" thing before. Thus far, in the first round, it's netted us Couch, Quinn and Weeden.
That's what happens when you take a guy in the first round just to take a guy in the first round.
we really don't need that.
But let me be clear here, if the FO of Farmer etc feel as if they can get the long term answer at 4, Damn it, Get him. If it takes giving up our two firsts to move up one or two spots and you feel it will net you "THE GUY", then do it.
I just don't want to see our two 1sts and a second or third for that kinda move. And NO WAY do I want to touch next years draft at all.
But that's just me
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So, let me ask this of everyone:
Of these guys, who is a sure-fire "generational QB" like a Manning, Brady, Favre, Rodgers, etc....?
I only recall one in recent years, and that is Andrew Luck. If these guys don't stack up to him, why do you take whomever at #4, or God-forbid, trade up to get them?
Do you reach simply because we need SOMEBODY?
If Bridgewater is the only one of that type, and he is sure to be gone.... what are you REALLY missing out on if you don't take one of the others high?
Ok, you can't wait for a guaranteed great of all time... nobody in their right mind uses that as a standard for the #4 pick in the draft...
Simply put, of your list, only Manning was viewed that way coming out as everybody else on your list was a late first round pick or later.
So who do you miss out on if your standard is the greatest of the great? You miss out on the next Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger....
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It's like life. You can't succeed if you don't attempt it. You only fail by not trying. There are no sure things in drafting players. There are very sure things in any business venture.
This happens to be a very good draft class. Much better than last year's class. And if you remember correctly, a lot of us who advocating taking a qb high in this year's draft were totally opposed to drafting one last year.
We are in a good spot to land our guy. Is it a sure thing? No, but you are increasing the odds of obtaining the most important position in football. Heck, QB is more important than the coach.
Got to agree with most of this. Best way to fail is not to try for it.
QB is so important. I think there are 2 certain top 5 worthy QBs in this draft and that is Teddy n JM.
The other thing to note about this is I know many here have gotten use to us picking early in the draft top 5, 8, 10...but that is not going to go on forever. Especially now that we have a good young foundation to build on. Possibly a decent QB we know he can win...can Hoyer be good enough to get us far into the Post Season??? But we will not have many shots like we have this year. To rationalize it that we don't have a ONCE in a DECADE type of QB in the draft doesn't mean that Teddy n JM are not special. And I think there better depth in this QB draft. Compared with last years QBs its a very good QB draft.
Oh and this is just for me. The next Once in a decade QB I think will be Conner Cook from Michigan State. I think he is a Sophmore this season. Don't know when he will come out. But the little I saw of this kid I was like  but it does us NO GOOD cause as futile as we have been we have not had the OVERALL #1 pick since 2000 that is 14 freaking years. Even though the Bozo's in most of those years predicted we would be the overall #1 drafting team.
I see once again they got us at #32 - yeah fat chance!
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I agree too. We have to roll the dice this draft, can't punt it into next draft or pray that Hoyer is the one.
The way I see it, only Bridgewater is worth the 4th overall, but he might not be there. From here, there are 3 possibilities:
1. Trade up for him
2. Sit at 4 with a 10% chance he's there and if he's gone, roll the dice on Manziel or Bortles (whoever you like more)
3. Trade back or take another position and spent a pick on QB later (Garoppolo? Carr? Murray?)
Imho, 3 is a no go. That leaves us with the decision to either pony up to secure Bridgewater or roll the dice on a lesser % QB at 4. I'm not sure what I'd do. If the price is not too steep I would consider an uptrade. If not, my plan B would be to gulp hard and select Bortles at 4. From a strict value standpoint, I don't like neither scenarios and right now I can't decide what's the lesser of the two evils for us.
Where are you guys with this? 1? 2? or 3? Or is there another scenario I didn't think of?
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We have to roll the dice this draft, can't punt it into next draft
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, I haven't seen it on here.. but Winston has said he plans on playing 2 more years at FSU... those things are certainly open to change though... and going into next season, he will be projected as the #1 QB in next years draft if he declares.
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I think we have to trade up to at least the #2 pick. Securing one of Bridgewater or Manziel is crucial.
Trading up is easier said than done (as we all know).
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I'm looking at a history of Quarterbacks and am trying to come up with a list of guys who are from warm weather climates and were very successful in cold weather cities.
Rodgers and Brady don't really count. Northern California cannot be described as warm weather.
Bradshaw
Farve
Eli
Now that I think about it, this isn't pretty.
We are looking at bringing in either a Texan or a So. Florida kid. What do you think? Does it matter? I think it does. I've lived in intense heat and cold. Cold sucks. Does having a QB that is acclimated to the cold and wind matter?
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Mariotta, Connor Cook, Hogan, Bryce Petty, Brett Hundley and Jacob Coker can all come out next year.
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I'm looking at a history of Quarterbacks and am trying to come up with a list of guys who are from warm weather climates and were very successful in cold weather cities.
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Northern California cannot be described as warm weather.
If you are comparing it to Cleveland it definitely isn't cold weather.
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Mariotta, Connor Cook, Hogan, Bryce Petty, Brett Hundley and Jacob Coker can all come out next year.
Next year we won't have two first round picks and hopefully we won't be picking fourth overall.
Do it now.
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Mariotta, Connor Cook, Hogan, Bryce Petty, Brett Hundley and Jacob Coker can all come out next year.
I see this narrative every pre-draft and I've probably fallen for it too before. These guys "look" better now because their play hasn't been picked apart yet. Guys like Boyd and McCarron were on 1st round consideration lists too 12 months ago...or remember that guy named Barkley?
To mis-use an old poker motto: we can't win it, if we aren't in it. We rolled the dice on Weeden...we failed and picked the wrong guy to boot, but it was necessary to at least try considering what we had. Same this offseason.
As for cold weather play: at least Bortles has good reviews on his cold weather games iirc
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I'm just saying that there are good QB's out there outside of Winston.
That said I don't really care for any of these QB's outside of Bridgewater at #4.
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Hey, we agree on something.  I would not choose choice number 3. No way. This is a tough call, but I am leaning to choice number one and moving up. I would seriously pursue trading w/the Rams and acquiring the 2nd overall pick. We would then be assured of getting either Teddy or Manziel. Teddy is still my number one guy but Manziel is the guy who might light the world on fire. I would be thrilled w/either one. We have such a great opportunity here. I hope we don't blow it again. Can you imagine if we had drafted Ben or Rodgers? Let's not make that mistake again. And if we pass on those guys and draft a stiff like Carr or Mettenberger...........  Again, it is a tough call because perhaps one of those two guys will be there at 4, but if they aren't.............then what?
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And lest anyone forget we should already have RG3 except the Rams GM was either colluding or stupid. Or Holmgren was stupid but it sure didn't seem that way.
No more missed opportunities on QBs. I would be ecstatic if we traded up to #1 for bridgewater.
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I just don't want to see our two 1sts and a second or third for that kinda move. And NO WAY do I want to touch next years draft at all.
Like most of you, I really don't know what to do. I do not want to give up any draft choices (that is so obvious), but I'm glad this decision is not mine. We absolutely must draft a QB somewhere in this draft, but do we sit at #4 and pray? If you held a gun to my head, I'm thinking I sit at #4. By the time the draft nears, we will likely know a bit more...
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Please, the Rams did exactly what was right. Any team that's going to trade away 3 1st round picks in 3 years are the exact morons who will be picking in the top 5 in at least one of them.
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Give me any one of Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles at 4 and Allen Robinson at 26, and I'd be thrilled!
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I'm looking at a history of Quarterbacks and am trying to come up with a list of guys who are from warm weather climates and were very successful in cold weather cities.
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Northern California cannot be described as warm weather.
If you are comparing it to Cleveland it definitely isn't cold weather.
No, I'm not serious, it was a joke.
Unless you're one of those who understand it is a real issue.
Since you didn't reveal a question, not sure which one you are asking about.
I didn't compare it to Cleveland. I simply stated a fact.
I get it, in over 50 years less than a handful of quarterbacks have come from warm weather and succeeded in cold weather, but it is a ridiculous point that is irrelevant. Has no bearing on any issue. I get it.
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I'm looking at a history of Quarterbacks and am trying to come up with a list of guys who are from warm weather climates and were very successful in cold weather cities.
Rodgers and Brady don't really count. Northern California cannot be described as warm weather.
Bradshaw
Farve
Eli
Now that I think about it, this isn't pretty.
We are looking at bringing in either a Texan or a So. Florida kid. What do you think? Does it matter? I think it does. I've lived in intense heat and cold. Cold sucks. Does having a QB that is acclimated to the cold and wind matter?
You've already gone back as far as Bradshaw. I say why stop there? After all your name is olskool...
Here are a few more:
Phil Sims, Bert Jones, Bart Starr, Frank Tarkington, Bobby Lane,
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Was wondering where Tarkenton was from.
Guess I could've googled it.
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No one LIKES playing in the cold..
There have been many QBs that grew up in cold weather areas that sucked...
So not drafting a guy because were in Cleveland and he's from Florida or Texas is silly...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Got news for you Old skool...Texas gets pretty cold and windy in the winter...pending where you are at. Houston and Galveston area is different and yes warm.
What I like about JM is has unusually big hands for a 6 footer. I think he will be able to make that ball spin here in the cold...and I would love seeing him in a snow storm are you kidding...have you ever seen Fran Tarkenton in a Snow Storm...lol  .
Joe Willie btw did pretty good in the cold 
Northern California you talking about by the waters of San Fran...but its not that cold in Seattle it just rains all the time. They get a lot of Shanooks there.
I see every QB as an Individual. I don't say JM is going to be great cause he comes from the state of Texas. I look at a lot of variables. For cold weather I look at hand size a lot.
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Got news for you Old skool...Texas gets pretty cold and windy in the winter...pending where you are at. Houston and Galveston area is different and yes warm.
What I like about JM is has unusually big hands for a 6 footer. I think he will be able to make that ball spin here in the cold...and I would love seeing him in a snow storm are you kidding...have you ever seen Fran Tarkenton in a Snow Storm...lol .
Joe Willie btw did pretty good in the cold
Northern California you talking about by the waters of San Fran...but its not that cold in Seattle it just rains all the time. They get a lot of Shanooks there.
I see every QB as an Individual. I don't say JM is going to be great cause he comes from the state of Texas. I look at a lot of variables. For cold weather I look at hand size a lot.
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Occasional cold versus 5 months of bone chilling hell is quite a difference.
Maybe it was just me, but getting hit in the cold, and especially being driven into a rock hard, frozen ground was...
nevermind
Joe didn't make my list. Although he played at Alabama, he was from PA, and that definitely kept him off.
The ol' Mark Twain comment: "the coldest I've ever been is in San Francisco in June" is actually spot on. I have been absolutely freezing, in June, in Frisco. Brady and Rodgers both are from the area. But, Brady was also acclimated in Michigan. I don't consider them having come from warm weather.
Hey, anything can happen. I'm in hope phase. If we get Teddy or Johnny, I am all in.
Sorry if my question caused you guys a whole lotta pain.
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Occasional cold versus 5 months of bone chilling hell is quite a difference.
I think you are being a bit dramatic.. I think we played 3 games this year at 30 degrees or below.. the lowest was 20 degrees. And that included November and December games 4 in Cleveland, 1 in New York, 1 in Cincy, New England, New York, and Pittsburgh...
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What is the plan if QBs go one, two, and three? For example, what if the Texans take Manziel, the Rams decide they are done with Bradford and take Bridgewater, and then the Jaguars take Bortles?
The ideal scenario would be multiple teams bidding in order to trade up and get Clowney. But what if we have to stay at pick four? I agree when people say we shouldn't invest a high pick in a #2 wide receiver (Watkins), but what are the other options? We could take Clowney but he isn't a great pick for our defense. Mack and Barr are fits but we already have players at their positions. Do we take Matthews, Robinson, or Lewan and stick them at right tackle? It doesn't look like there is a corner worth taking with the fourth pick.
If we have to stay at four with no QB available I think Watkins is best of a bunch of bad options.
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As good as Watkins in, I think I have to agree with Vers on this one and say our number 2 WR shouldn't be selected with the 4th overall pick. Clowney definitely has some controversy surrounding him, but you can't deny his abilities as a DE. I wouldn't be upset if we took him or Barr at number 4. I know we don't necessarily need another OLB, but Starr has potential to be great and it never hurts adding great talent to to LB core.
But, if we were picking at 4 and Teddy, Manziel, and Bortles were all gone, I'd be all for trading down a couple picks. Pick up Garopollo at 26 and another WR early in round 1. I don't want us to pick Carr. I wish we could snag Garopollo in round two, but I don't think he'll last that long after all is said and done. However, if we traded down, we could almost certainly get another 2nd round pick, especially if Clowney is still on the board.
That being said, I'm all in for either of the top three QBs at pick 4 or higher.
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it may happen, my approach would be to get out and get back in with Garrapollo at 26. That is probably too high for him, but I would not want to be into the 2nd round without a QB. If there are no partners, then Watkins....
Clowney is not on my board, he has Haynesworth potential.
I am one that thinks the Browns should be looking for 2 QB's in this draft. I would not mind Murray or someone else a bit later.
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What is the plan if QBs go one, two, and three? For example, what if the Texans take Manziel, the Rams decide they are done with Bradford and take Bridgewater, and then the Jaguars take Bortles?
The ideal scenario would be multiple teams bidding in order to trade up and get Clowney. But what if we have to stay at pick four? I agree when people say we shouldn't invest a high pick in a #2 wide receiver (Watkins), but what are the other options? We could take Clowney but he isn't a great pick for our defense. Mack and Barr are fits but we already have players at their positions. Do we take Matthews, Robinson, or Lewan and stick them at right tackle? It doesn't look like there is a corner worth taking with the fourth pick.
If we have to stay at four with no QB available I think Watkins is best of a bunch of bad options.
That's our WORST nightmare.
And EXACTLY the reason so many, including ME, say move up to #2.
We won't know for awhile yet, but if we get the slightest wind that this could happen, we MUST start talking to St. Louis and NOT take any chances to get screwed over.
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What is the plan if QBs go one, two, and three? For example, what if the Texans take Manziel, the Rams decide they are done with Bradford and take Bridgewater, and then the Jaguars take Bortles?
The ideal scenario would be multiple teams bidding in order to trade up and get Clowney. But what if we have to stay at pick four? I agree when people say we shouldn't invest a high pick in a #2 wide receiver (Watkins), but what are the other options? We could take Clowney but he isn't a great pick for our defense. Mack and Barr are fits but we already have players at their positions. Do we take Matthews, Robinson, or Lewan and stick them at right tackle? It doesn't look like there is a corner worth taking with the fourth pick.
If we have to stay at four with no QB available I think Watkins is best of a bunch of bad options.
That's our WORST nightmare.
And EXACTLY the reason so many, including ME, say move up to #2.
We won't know for awhile yet, but if we get the slightest wind that this could happen, we MUST start talking to St. Louis and NOT take any chances to get screwed over.
The QBs won't go 1, 2 and 3. Even if they did, you would get offers for either of the tackles or Clowney. You may not necessarily like the offers, but you would get some.
And, if the scenario is that I'm at #4 and I can't trade out, I'm taking either one of the tackles. Either one. Both are, in my view, equally good. I might take Matthews on pedigree alone.
And, trading up to #2 if a trade up to #1 is available just sounds like a loser's mentality. Typical. If you're trying to move up to #2 and since Houston has expressed an interest to move out of the #1 overall, see what they are asking. I'm not sure that it would be much more (and could even be less) than what the Rams stole from Washington in the RG3 deal. In my view, talking to St. Louis would already be a sign that you're willing to grab the ankles and take it without any lubrication.
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If we want a QB later...even a 2nd as some think we should do, I'd scout this guy.
http://footballgameplan.com/small-college-spotlight-jeff-mathews/
I was totally opposed to taking 2 QBs because I thought we would be missing an opportunity to fill another position but the more I think about it, I'm coming around to that idea.
First, we would start the season with Hoyer, a high draft pick and a later round guy, 3 chances that ONE of them becomes the real deal... best case, 2 or 3 of them show serious signs and we are left to figure out which ones to keep a couple years from now and we can get something for the other(s)...
Other than the short clips on this guy, I don't know much about him but he looks the part, big, fairly agile, seems to have decent vision and arm strength.. goes to Cornell so he's no dummy... These are the kind of guys they should look at.. either that or a guy like Murray from Georgia who is more highly touted but had his stock fall due to injury.. though I think Murray would cost us a 3rd where as this guy might only cost us a 5th or so..
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I am also fully onboard with the idea of going 2 drafted QBs + Hoyer. Connor Shaw or Aaron Murray (as one will likely drop in the draft) are my choices, but I don't know much at all about the smaller school guys. As long as the QB3 we pick has a high upside and he can sit-n-learn, then all is good there.
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I am also fully onboard with the idea of going 2 drafted QBs + Hoyer. Connor Shaw or Aaron Murray (as one will likely drop in the draft) are my choices, but I don't know much at all about the smaller school guys. As long as the QB3 we pick has a high upside and he can sit-n-learn, then all is good there.
I don't know what it is but the mood around here has changed. It appears that folks are deflated and resigned to drafting a QB that isn't one of those that they have been all hot and bothered to get. Even trading up from #4 to get them.
Maybe the front office is putting on some giant scam and that we'll be moving up (or trying to deflate the market) for a QB so that we get the guy that we want. I simply don't think that's the case. I truly believe that the front office (including the previous group) weren't set on getting a QB at #4. I don't think that Farmer, Pettine & Shanahan are either.
It wouldn't surprise me to have the Browns make a trade for Cousins on Day 3 of the draft and give up a 6th rounder or something for him. I think that it could be a move initiated by comments by Shanahan to those within the front office about Cousins' abilities.
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I think I'd be disgusted if we passed up on Teddy, Bortles or Manziel for Kirk. Very disgusted. However, the rumor and way things are being presented, I too think the FO aren't looking at quarterbacks at #4. Can't believe anything this time of year tho'. Smoke screens so thick and so many that anything and everything should be taken with a gram of salt.
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For me, it's just too easy to imagine a scenario where we simply can't get our guy for a remotely reasonable price (for me, that's our 4th and 26th).
The three teams in front of us could be looking to take a QB. There are several teams right behind us that could also be looking to trade up.
Also, our FO might not like one or more of the top 3 QBs (they each have their warts).
I would be really happy if we took one of the top 3 with our 4th pick, as that would indicate (more than likely) we got the guy we wanted. I'd be even more happy if we traded up and took one and/or took one of those guys with one or more of the others still on the board.
However the top of the draft turns out, I want us to draft more than 1 QB this year. The once-in-a-decade guy has already come through, so, for me, the shotgun approach is going to be the best way to address the QB position.
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I think I'd be disgusted if we passed up on Teddy, Bortles or Manziel for Kirk. Very disgusted. However, the rumor and way things are being presented, I too think the FO aren't looking at quarterbacks at #4. Can't believe anything this time of year tho'. Smoke screens so thick and so many that anything and everything should be taken with a gram of salt.
At this point, why throw out smoke? I really don't get it. To me, all these mock drafts that have the Browns taking a QB are the smoke, not what's coming out of Berea. Nothing the Browns have said indicate that they're sold on any of these QBs. However, I do see that in some of the mock drafts, these QBs have begun to slip, especially Bridgewater. These self-appointed GMs may have begun to realize that they don't know as much as they thought.
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And EXACTLY the reason so many, including ME, say move up to #2.
I agree. I was just asking the hypothetical question of what if the Rams stay at pick two. I can see them staying there, but I don't think they would take a QB. I think it would be one of the tackles or Watkins. And if they do that is fine. It would still leave us with one of the top three QBs (albeit the worst of the three). If Bortles is the top QB available I would likely still try and trade down because there would likely be teams clamoring to trade and get Clowney.
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