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I wouldn't be surprised to see Garrappollo (sp) a 2nd rounder after the E-W game. Unless we manage to get Bridgewater, I'd be happier looking at Mettenberger or Garrappollo in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Luckily, I'm no GM 
Please wait until after the seniorbowl and workouts. G looked okay in the East/West game, but he is No Way moving up to the 2nd round because of it. JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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2 Mocks: 1 for sticking with 3-4 defense and 1 for going back to 4-3. Only using CBS current rating vs. projected pick.
1a 4
1b 26
2 35
3a 71
3b 83
4a 104
4b 125
5 140
6 180
7 220
3-4 Mock:
1a 8 Johnny Manziel, QB Texas A&M
1b 27 David Yankey, OG Stanford
2 56 Davante Adams, WR Fresno St
3a 87 Shayne Skov, ILB Stanford
3b 90 Jeremiah Attoachu, OLB Georgia Tech
4a 112 Ross Cockrell, CB Duke
4b 120 Robert Herron, WR Wyoming
5 177 Antonio Andrews, RB Western Kentucky
6 198 Preston Brown, ILB Louisville
7 264 Corey Linsley, OC Ohio State
Priority Free Agents:
341 Dezmen Southward, S Wisconsin
358 Casey Pachall, QB TCU
361 Chandler Jones, WR San Jose State
388 Shaquille Richardson, CB Arizona
423 Adam Muema, RB San Diego State
456 Chase Rettig, QB Boston College
554 Asante Cleveland, TE Miami (Fla.)
714 Brian Wozniak, TE Wisconsin
4-3 Mock:
1a 8 Johnny Manziel, QB Texas A&M
1b 38 Brandin Cooks WR Oregon State
2 56 Davante Adams, WR Fresno St
3a 68 Louchiez Purifoy, CB Florida
3b 87 Shayne Skov, MLB Stanford
4a 105 Lache Seastrunk, RB Baylor
4b 128 Dion Bailey, S Southern California
5 202 Kadeem Edwards, OG Tennessee State
6 211 Andre Hal, CB Vanderbilt
7 223 Ethan Westbrooks, DE West Texas A&M
Priority Free Agents:
264 Corey Linsley, OC Ohio State
341 Dezmen Southward, S Wisconsin
358 Casey Pachall, QB TCU
361 Chandler Jones, WR San Jose State
388 Shaquille Richardson, CB Arizona
423 Adam Muema, RB San Diego State
456 Chase Rettig, QB Boston College
554 Asante Cleveland, TE Miami (Fla.)
714 Brian Wozniak, TE Wisconsin
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Not sure about the rankings (I got Bridgewater every time), but it was entertaining none-the-less.
4 QB TEDDY BRIDGEWATER LOUISVILLE
26 CB DARQUEZE DENNARD MICHIGAN STATE
35 WR KELVIN BENJAMIN FLORIDA STATE
71 RB KA’DEEM CAREY ARIZONA
83 ILB YAWIN SMALLWOOD UCONN
102 S DION BAILEY USC
123 C TYLER LARSEN UTAH STATE
133 G CHRIS BURNETTE GEORGIA
164 WR MICHAEL CAMPANARO WAKE FORREST
195 G MICHAEL SCHOFIELD MICHIGAN
Edit: Did it a second time. Bortles and Bridgewater were off the board, so I just went with Watkins. Then watched as Manziel slipped all the way to 26th.
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I would be happy if we got Bridgewater, Dennard, Dion Bailey, and Campanaro, but I don't think Benjamin/Bridgewater is a good combo. Bridewater/Cooks or Bridgewater/Lee would be a very good combo IMO.
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Bridgewater was gone for me  I decided to just draft the best guy (IMO) at a position of urgent need (QB, WR, OG, RB, ILB, FS). Here's what I got: 4 QB JOHNNY MANZIEL TEXAS A&M 26 WR MARQISE LEE USC 35 CB JUSTIN GILBERT OKLAHOMA STATE 71 ILB YAWIN SMALLWOOD UCONN 83 RB CARLOS HYDE OHIO STATE 102 G BRANDON LINDER MIAMI 123 RB MARION GRICE ARIZONA STATE 133 S DION BAILEY USC 164 WR MIKE DAVIS TEXAS 195 QB CONNOR SHAW SOUTH CAROLINA Yes, I know Bailey is a SS, just played out he was by far the best when I got around to S. And, I didn't invest enough on the OL. Ah well. Fun site.
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Bailey's got really good man cover skills. I think he's going to blow people away at the combine. He completely shut down Isaiah Burse... took him completely out of the game.
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There's a far better mock draft site that allows you to trade picks and whatnot... its at http://first-pick.com/Default.aspx Here's what I managed to pull off... Round 1 Pick 4: Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville (A) Round 1 Pick 26: Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State (B-) Round 2 Pick 4 (OAK): Yawin Smallwood, ILB, Connecticut (C-) Round 2 Pick 22 (PHI): Bishop Sankey, RB, Washington (A) Round 3 Pick 9 (BUF): Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State (B+) Round 4 Pick 6: John Urschel, OG, Penn State (D-) Round 4 Pick 9 (BUF): Deion Belue, CB, Alabama (D+) Round 4 Pick 27: Ty Zimmerman, FS, Kansas State (C+) Round 5 Pick 5: Caraun Reid, DT, Princeton (B) Round 6 Pick 4: Ryan Hewitt, FB, Stanford (E)
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Bailey's got really good man cover skills. I think he's going to blow people away at the combine. He completely shut down Isaiah Burse... took him completely out of the game.
I agree he can cover. That is part of the SS position to me. His strengths are covering the athletic TE and coming up to help on the mid-routes.
He doesn't have the best ball skills when he's in zone, which is the basic job of a FS to me (roam, know where the ball is going, then get there before the ball does).
But, I don't think he lasts nearly as long as he does on that site, so he was a no-brainer take at that point.
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Your Picks: Round 1 Pick 4: Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville (A) Round 2 Pick 3: Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State (C) Round 2 Pick 7 (JAX): Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi State (B) Round 3 Pick 1 (HOU): Louchiez Purifoy, CB, Florida (A-) Round 3 Pick 8 (MINN): Tre Mason, RB, Auburn (A) Round 3 Pick 12 (DET): Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh (A) Round 3 Pick 19: Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss (B+) Round 4 Pick 7 (OAK): Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood (B-) Round 4 Pick 8 (MINN): Tre Boston, FS, North Carolina (D-) Round 4 Pick 27: Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida (C) Round 5 Pick 5: Max Bullough, ILB, Michigan State (B-) Round 6 Pick 4: Ronald Powell, OLB, Florida (C) Round 6 Pick 5 (OAK): L'Damian Washington, WR, Missouri (B) Round 7 Pick 3: A.C. Leonard, TE, Tennessee State (B-) Round 7 Pick 20 (OAK): De'Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon (B) Reminds me of Madden, but I'd love this draft 
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I love how the software works on that thing, but the team needs and player ratings need a complete overhaul.
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Round 1 Pick 4: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina (A)
Round 1 Pick 26: Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California (B+)
Round 2 Pick 12 (STL): David Yankey, OG, Stanford (A-)
Round 3 Pick 7: Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford (A)
Round 3 Pick 11 (STL): Louchiez Purifoy, CB, Florida (A)
Round 3 Pick 19: Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State (A)
Round 4 Pick 6: A.J. McCarron, QB, Alabama (A)
Round 4 Pick 27: Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss (A)
Round 4 Pick 28 (CAR): Caraun Reid, DT, Princeton (B-)
Round 7 Pick 3: Jordan Tripp, OLB, Montana (A)
Really wanted a QB higher, but the three worthwhile QBs went off way too early, so I just sat on it.
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If we take Clowney at 4, that might be enough to make me give up on this team forever.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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If we take Clowney at 4, that might be enough to make me give up on this team forever.
I doubt it would happen, but I don't want Manziel there, so I tried to change it up.
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If we are in love with someone at #4, then we take him, otherwise we trade down. The value in this draft is in rounds2-4. We should trade down with our second first round pick for sure. We should also probably trade down with our second round pick.
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Admittedly I've made several attempts at the draft with this simulator. As others have mentioned some of the player rankings are off base. In my draft I tried to avoid those players which were obviously miss-rated. Now that a HC has been hired I assume we'll stay in a base 3-4. Anyway, here's my best version of the draft:
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QB JOHNNY MANZIEL
TEXAS A&M
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WR MARQISE LEE
USC
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G CYRIL RICHARDSON
BAYLOR
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ILB YAWIN SMALLWOOD
UCONN
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TE C.J. FIEDOROWICZ
IOWA
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DT KELCY QUARLES
SOUTH CAROLINA
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RB CHARLES SIMS
WVU
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OLB CHRISTIAN KIRKSEY
IOWA
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WR JEFF JANIS
SAGINAW VALLEY STATE
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S VINNIE SUNSERI
ALABAMA
At 4, the worst kept secret of draft season
I think a premiere WR can be had with 26, if not Lee then one of the other very highly touted guys should be available here. That could be Mathews, Benjamin, Beckham, etc.
At 35 Richardson or perhaps Watson would go a long way toward upgrading the OG position.
At 71 given the need at ILB and Pettine's defensive background this could be the pick. I also like Borland from Wisc.
At 83, depth behind Cameron is abysmal. Fiedorowicz offers an very good combination of blocking and receiving skills.
At 102, Quarles has the versatility to pay 5 technique DE in the 3-4 or line up as an interior DT in the 4-3.
At 123, Sims has a reputation of being a one cut runner who presses the hole and goes. All reports from the Senior Bowl are that he is the best or among the best backs there. His blitz-pickup and receiving skills are better developed than many other backs coming out this year.
At 133, Kirksey. Iowa has produced some decent LBs in the past few years. Greenway, Angerer, Abdul Hodge. When I've seen him play he just gets after it.
At 164, Janus, taking a gamble on a small school player, played in this climate his whole life. 6-2, 216 lbs. rumored to run in the 4.3 range. Small school All-American.
At 195, another gamble, Sunseri was injured in wk 7 of the 2013 season. At which time he was believed to be a 3rd round prospect. Another option to stash on the IR is Colvin the CB from Oklahoma.
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I had one idea in mind... no matter who is at QB... we need weapons badly, very badly!!! We need playmakers on the outside someone to help open up Jordan Cameron. I think its a necessity for us to either get Watkins or Lee in the 1st and a RB in the 2nd. We need playmakers. Tre Mason or Hyde in the 2nd would be awesome. I would take both irl. We have 0 running backs. Abbredaris would be excellent 3rd WR on any team.
This would be a dream draft but I'm pretty sure Carlos Hyde isnt gonna be their in the 4th... Seantrell Henderson OT would be the real pick.
Shazier at WLB tandem w DQ is a great combo. Mauro to provide depth and keep stocking up our DL.
4 WR SAMMY WATKINS
CLEMSON
26 OLB RYAN SHAZIER
OHIO STATE
35 RB TRE MASON
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71 WR JARED ABBREDERIS
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CLEMSON
102 RB CARLOS HYDE(would never be here, Seantrell Henderson OTwould do nice here too)
OHIO STATE
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Boyd looks terrible in the Sr. Bowl.
I'd reconsider that one.
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I have been high on Boyd but you are right he has looked horrible today.....I'm more interested in mettenberger now. I say go wr, g, then,Rb......then qb. Mettenberger or garopolo later in the draft. Hoyer starts, rookie ddoesn't play unless injury forces him in.
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I never really had an opinion on Carr but he's managed his time well. He's smooth, loud signal caller and really throws effortlessly.
Jimmy has looked OK but man I wish he was a bit taller.
Throws well on the run.
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I want one of the top 3 QBs. I've had enough of later round, FA, late 1st round. We need a Francise QB.
Banner better draft a good QB or start packing.
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Manziel will be there then he'll be here...
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Coaching Hires:
•Gary Kubiak for offensive coordinator.
•Jim O'Niel for defensive coordinator
Free Agency:
•Release Brandon Weeden, Greg Little and Davonne Bess.
•Sign Ben Tate, RB, Houston - Knows Kubiaks system and the front office likes him.
Draft:
1. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M - I absolutely do not want him, but I think Lombardi is in love with the kid.
1. David Yankey, OG, Stanford - Intelligent and would be an excellent fit for Kubiaks ZBS.
2. Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State - We need a big body inside the redzone. Manziel gets his big and tall WR to chuck up ducks to.
3. Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska - Very tall and physical. Being compared to Richard Sherman.
3. Adrian Hubbard, OLB, Alabama - I hate drafting players from Alabama because I think they're usually maxed out by the time they get to the pros. However, Hubbards physical tools make me believe there's still more potential to tap in to.
4. Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin - Best comparison would be Zach Thomas. Very good at defending the pass. However, I worry about him in run defense.
4. Jeff Janis, WR, Saginaw Valley State - His speed is very intriguing. He's 6'2 also. Could be an interesting slot WR.
5. Andre Williams, RB, Boston College - Think Alfred Morris. A very big and powerful RB.
6. Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood - Another small school prospect. However he also has intriguing physical tools.
7. Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon - Has HUGE character concerns. However he is a flat out beast.
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I never really had an opinion on Carr but he's managed his time well. He's smooth, loud signal caller and really throws effortlessly.
Jimmy has looked OK but man I wish he was a bit taller.
Throws well on the run.
He measured in at 6' 2 1/4" at the Shrine game, I'm not concerned about his height. I'd only be concerned about if he could play in whatever system we run. Yes, throws well on the run, also has an incredibly quick release and is accurate. He's not going to blow you away with his arm though - so in a Norv Turner offense in Cleveland maybe not a good fit. In a WCO, I think he's a pretty good fit.
A couple months ago, he was a mid- late rounder, all the buzz about the kid lately has moved him up considerably. Shrine game MVP helps, and however he does/did in the Senior Bowl will impact as well, and position drills in the combine will as well. I'd expect at this point he goes in the 2nd, and wouldn't be surprised if he goes late 1 to a desperate team. Jacksonville coaches specifically asked for him to be added to the Senior bowl, so at this point I'd guess is is a Jags at 39 if nobody takes him earlier.
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1. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M - I absolutely do not want him, but I think Lombardi is in love with the kid.
I keep telling myself that this could all just be rampant speculation...
...but, yeah. I have the same gut feeling.
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I never really had an opinion on Carr but he's managed his time well. He's smooth, loud signal caller and really throws effortlessly.
Jimmy has looked OK but man I wish he was a bit taller.
Throws well on the run.
He measured in at 6' 2 1/4" at the Shrine game, I'm not concerned about his height. I'd only be concerned about if he could play in whatever system we run. Yes, throws well on the run, also has an incredibly quick release and is accurate. He's not going to blow you away with his arm though - so in a Norv Turner offense in Cleveland maybe not a good fit. In a WCO, I think he's a pretty good fit.
A couple months ago, he was a mid- late rounder, all the buzz about the kid lately has moved him up considerably. Shrine game MVP helps, and however he does/did in the Senior Bowl will impact as well, and position drills in the combine will as well. I'd expect at this point he goes in the 2nd, and wouldn't be surprised if he goes late 1 to a desperate team. Jacksonville coaches specifically asked for him to be added to the Senior bowl, so at this point I'd guess is is a Jags at 39 if nobody takes him earlier.
Pleasantly surprised he is that tall. He really doesn't appear it on screen. I'm not a big "let him sit" guy but he might be one to benefit from it. Looked better in the East/West game but I do like the kid.
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Manziel will be there then he'll be here...
I love fans that say we need to draft a franchise QB or the FO needs to pack up! What if there isn't one in this draft? What do you do then, try to fit a square peg in a round hole.. that's just nuts. Basically, fans that say that are asking the front office to reach. Then when they do and the guy doesn't work out, they beat on them for that.
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I don't know how he'd turn out here. He could be fantastic or just solid. I don't think he'll be bust. FO seems to like him and I think he'll be there at 4 unless he literally blows everyone away at the combine. That's possible.
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QB TEDDY BRIDGEWATER
LOUISVILLE
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CB DARQUEZE DENNARD
MICHIGAN STATE
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WR DAVANTE ADAMS
FRESNO STATE
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ILB CHRIS BORLAND
WISCONSIN
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GEORGIA
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RB MARION GRICE
ARIZONA STATE
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S TERRENCE BROOKS
FLORIDA STATE
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C MARCUS MARTIN
USC
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WR L’DAMIAN WASHINGTON
MISSOURI
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OT BILLY TURNER
NORTH DAKOTA STATE
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I really worry about drafting someone like Borland if we stay in the 3-4. I think his size and perhaps lack of upper body strength could hurt him when taking on blocks like another poster mentioned. I think he may struggle like Jackson has in his role in the 3-4 when trying to shed those blocks. IMO, it would be wise to look for a different skill type alongside DQ rather than someone just like him. I'd be hesitant to have 2 undersized ILBs in this defense.
With Borland's small stature, I think his ability to perform well in the combine's agility and speed drills may help his cause for a 4-3 defensive team. I will give the kid credit though...he plays with a ton of intensity and sometimes that can help mitigate certain weaknesses.
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I went with Borland there for a couple reasons.
1 - we need to upgrade the ILB position.
2 - Borland is a football player. I have no doubts that he will be able to get the job done
3 - Though undersized, I felt comfortable because of the strength and girth on our d-line
4 - I went through the simulation too quickly and failed to notice that Fedorowitz the TE from Iowa was available. If I had to do it over I would have gone that route.
In a repeat run I came out with:
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LOUISVILLE
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CB DARQUEZE DENNARD
MICHIGAN STATE
35
WR KELVIN BENJAMIN
FLORIDA STATE
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G XAVIER SU’A-FILO
UCLA
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TE C.J. FIEDOROWICZ
IOWA
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RB ANDRE WILLIAMS
BOSTON COLLEGE
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S KENNY LADLER
VANDERBILT
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C MARCUS MARTIN
USC
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WR L’DAMIAN WASHINGTON
MISSOURI
195
ILB GLENN CARSON
PENN STATE
This would be my favorite draft sim yet, though I don't think any of my 1st 6 picks will actually be available at the pick that I took them with. But going through the sim multiple times has me coming to a few conclusions:
1 - Despite ten picks we won't be able to fill all our holes, so we will need a couple quality FA signings.
2 - Wr depth is terrific this year. Not much difference between taking a wr at 26 vs 35. So if a talent like Dennard falls to 26 we can take the value and still get a comparable talent at wr at 35.
3 - I really want to upgrade OG. I would feel much more comfortable going WR/OG (or vice versa) with 26/35 because despite Su'a-Filo being available at 71 frequently in the sim, I have no confidence that he will make it there in the real draft.
4 - 71/83 is a great place to get a TE if we choose.
5 - there are a lot of Rb's that will be available in the middle rounds. I have yet to figure out my preference.
6 - I always seem to draft Ladler at 123.
7 - I don't understand why L'Damian Washington is not considered a higher draft pick that 6th/7th round.
8 - Christian Jones the lb from FSU tends to go higher than I would take him. And this sites rankingswere before he kicked butt in Mobile.
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I might die if this happened.
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LOUISVILLE
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USC
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WR ODELL BECKHAM JR.
LSU
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UCLA
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MICHIGAN STATE
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OHIO STATE
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UTAH
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OREGON
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It's probably just my amateur eyes, but I am starting to like Bortles just as much, if not more, than the other two (Bridgewater and Manziel)
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It's probably just my amateur eyes, but I am starting to like Bortles just as much, if not more, than the other two (Bridgewater and Manziel)
Personally, I like Bortles more than Bridgewater and Manziel. I've never been particularly high on Bridgewater. He'll get demolished in the NFL. His fame/build is smaller than most receivers that he'll be asked to throw to, including Travis Benjamin. Benjamin is shorter (5'-10") and weighs less (175#), but his build is more bulked up than Bridgewater's (6'-3", 195#). Bridgewater, even if his skills are what many think (and I'm not necessarily one of them), his light frame is going to be a problem at the NFL level.
I think that Manziel has a lot going for him but his style of play (and I'm not sure it can be untaught sufficiently) will get him killed in the NFL. He may not get knocked out with the first blow, but he could get knocked out with cumulative blows taking their toll.
I know the arguments about him not getting hit so much in college. He scrambled and never really took too many hits in college. This won't be college and someone will be willing to take the 15 yards and potentially a fine, to see if Manziel can handle it. A 'welcome to the big leagues' type of initiation. I would take Manziel over Bridgewater 100% of the time if those are my choices. I'd try to 'unteach' Manziel on a lot of his habits and hope that he is mentally mature enough to take on the challenge.
Bortles frame/build certainly indicates that he'll be able to take the hits. His game may need some refinements, but that's what coaching is there to do. To make sure that these players grow and improve their capabilities.
I actually like a few of the QBs that are projected to go later even more than these three, but if I'm forced to pick one of these, I prefer Bortles to Manziel, 100% of the time.
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Question on the Garaffalo kid...is he about the same QB as Hoyer? Is what you guys see is Hoyer but possibly Better? going to the Brees stage?
I really think its the development of the QB...too many get thrown right into the fire - if a UDFA like Hoyer can be developed by learning and sitting imagine what more talented QBs might become?
Lombardi on Manziel...just remember before we flame Lombardi for the pick - It has been Farmer going to his games and making the evaluations on most of the QBs...I really think the QB we do end up wanting will be a Farmer choice not Lombardi!
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The problem I have with Bortles is while he does a lot of things well he doesn't jump out at you. I try not to quote scouting reports but it really does say it all.
I think he will succeed and he is the safest pick. But I don't think he'll win you a superbowl without an elite cast(easier said than done). I think he's in the realm of Dalton. I think you tie your wagon to him and you get winning seasons half the time but he actually holds you back from going all the way.
Bortles just isn't on the same level mentally that Johnny and Teddy are. The natural feel and dissection they possess is what you see from the QBs who succeed at the next level.
With as bad as we've been I get that maybe that's desirable but personally I'll never be satisfied with 2nd best.
I think Johnny and more so Teddy are bonafide Franchise QB's. I get why people question them because of their builds but Johnny is solid for his height and Teddy, while sleek, has the lower body bulk. If he had an average torso(probably 10-15 lbs) no one would say a thing. I feel like people look at the number more than his actual physique. He'll probably show up at the combine at 220.
Not to mention there's a reason pundits now are dropping Teddy. If they kept him rated no1 no one would read their blogs. He'll be the top QB come draft day. The proof is in the tape. Bortles is a 2nd round talent at best.
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I gave a small scouting report on Bortles before he was on the national media's radar. He was my sleeper guy and I was hoping we could grab him in the 3rd, although I did speculate that he would rocket up the charts.
It just goes to show you how poor some of these other QBs are [Carr, Murray, McCarron, Mettenberger, etc] that Bortles passed them like they were standing still.
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Bortles frame/build certainly indicates that he'll be able to take the hits. His game may need some refinements, but that's what coaching is there to do. To make sure that these players grow and improve their capabilities.
I agree his game will need refinements. I think he made several poor decisions throwing the ball and may be less accurate than Teddy or Johnny on deep efforts.
One thing that has really caught my eye is he moves in the pocket very well and can run with the ball when needed to make plays. He is deceptively quick for being 6'4 230lbs and I didn't really notice that about him earlier. I also like the fact he was willing to stay in the pocket to make throws...he didn't seem rattled. Perhaps he's content with his size that he can absorb big hits to a certain degree.
Comparing him to the other two QBs, I think he has the best size, best footwork, and overall mechanics. He'll need to improve on decision making and take less gambles, but has proven (at least in the tapes I've watched) the ability to complete throws in very tight tight spaces.
I agree with you about Bridgewater and his size. I've read one report list him at 189lbs. Not sure how accurate that is. Same thing with Manziel and this is probably something I need to stop thinking about because it is no way indicative of his ability but he also "looks" little out there. But Manziel does make good decisions, throws accurately, and can make plays. Even as a Heisman winner last year, he looks like a better QB in his sophomore season.
I guess at this point, no one really jumps out to me in any certain order.
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