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well, whats the numbers when they were healthy. atlanta was hit with the injury bug this year.
besides. my comment is based off if teddy is already taken. if Teddy is there, that isn't even a discussion. if not? i would take watkins at 4.
it's all opinion, man.
You're right, it is all opinion. Do you pass on both Bortles & Manziel for Sammy?
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man bro, manziel is really iffy for me. it's like, i hope the browns don't draft him, but if they do, i understand why, and i will throw my support for him because he is a brown, now.
bortles? nah man. i don't think he can be a game changer. thats just my opinion, though.
so manziel? if i was running the draft, most likely i would get watkins over manziel. bortles? too easy of a decision.
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I feel the same way about Manziel, but I take Bortles over him and both over Sammy...lol
I don't like what I'm hearing about the FO being in love with Manziel because I think that would dilute any real effort to get Teddy, or to take Bortles over Manziel if they're both there at 4. I think Bortles is far and away more suited to AFCN football than Manziel is, even though I believe Manziel does have that certain "winability" that good QBs have.
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I like Watkins, but a WR2 at 4? He does not offer much WR1 upside imho
Curious as to what other Dawgs think about this. Seems like it could be a stellar move putting him across from Gordon. Almost JulioJones/RoddyWhite-esque . . . But I go back & forth on it.
I'll start by saying I disagree that he doesn't offer WR1 capabilities, I think he does... he's not the ideal height, but he has everything else and then some...
In a hypothetical situation, I'd take him at #4 in a heartbeat.. but in a practical sense, as it applies to the Browns, no way do I see it happening.
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I'm still a Watkins hater. I'm sorry but when I watch tape I don't see a dominant WR. I see a good slot with minimal upside. He's my 4th rated WR behind Beckham, Lee, and Allen.
I've watched tape over and over trying to make sense of his lofty rating and I just don't understand it. I think he's a 2nd round talent. A poor man's Torrey Smith.
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To each his own I suppose. I see a guy who runs decent enough routes and can get better with coaching, a guy who catches absolutely everything, and a guy who can break every play open once he gets his hands on the ball..
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While I do think he is a decent route runner for college I find he has a lot of issues. Everyone calls him fast. I see very quick and agile but maybe 4.4-4.45 field speed. I see decent height and below average bulk and strength. I see, while good, inconsistent hands in traffic and contested jump balls. Mostly because of his lack of strength IMO. I don't think he has a good enough outside game to be an elite threat.
I think he has far too many holes to be considered at top 10 pick. This pass crazy league has WR far overrated in the draft. I'm not taking a WR top 10 unless he's 6'2+, 215lbs+, 4.45+, with naturally great hands and elite body control in the air. JMHO
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Man, Brown's fans have always loved taking WRs high in the draft.
Unfortunately, every regime since our return has loved taking WRs high in the draft, too.
Then, while we are the midst of yet another 4 or 5 win season, y'all will be crying that we need a QB and when a coach is fired, you will blame the FO for not getting him a good QB. The next draft will come along, and you will shy off the QBs and start wanting us to draft yet another WR high again.
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To be fair, it's not like we haven't tried. We have spent three first round picks on QBs since 1999.
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come on. read the board man. people are only speculating on different players with the thought that Teddy and manziel are already GONE.
if those guys are there of course we take them over a WR, or we trade up to get tedddy or manziel.
a lot of the speculation is if those 2 are gone already.
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To be fair, it's not like we haven't tried. We have spent three first round picks on QBs since 1999.
And only one of them proved to be worth anything and he was the first one of the three taken.  Fans booed him and essentially ran him out of town on a rail.
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I've done the simulator several times as well. I like your draft. Look at this crazy one I ended up with. If this was real. Wow!
Your score is: 4677 (Drafting Ability: A, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: B+)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 24 (CINN): Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State (A)
Round 1 Pick 26: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M (A)
Round 2 Pick 3: Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State (A)
Round 2 Pick 23 (CINN): David Yankey, OG, Stanford (A)
Round 3 Pick 7: Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU (A)
Round 3 Pick 19: Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford (A)
Round 3 Pick 24 (CINN): Tre Mason, RB, Auburn (A)
Round 4 Pick 6: Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona (A)
Round 4 Pick 27: Marqueston Huff, FS, Wyoming (A)
Round 5 Pick 5: A.J. McCarron, QB, Alabama (A)
Round 6 Pick 4: J.C. Copeland, FB, LSU (A-)
Round 7 Pick 3: Jeremy Gallon, WR, Michigan (A)
Your Future Picks:
2015 Round 1 Pick (CINN)
2015 Round 1 Pick
2016 Round 1 Pick
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I don't know how I feel about giving a division foe who won the division a top 5 pick.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Yeah I didn't love that either but getting there 1,2,3 this year and their 1 next year seemed worth it. I'd probably still do it.
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I don't remember. I should have noted it when it happened. I hope it isn't someone I would hate having the Browns go against the next 10 years.
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Plug in Gabe Jackson for Yankey and Hyde for Mason and I would be thrilled
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Pdawg reposted my mock....Yankey is a tough G, and I think Tre mason has more upside, as I like Hyde but don't see him as a dynamic playmaker.
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Big fan of Gabes ... and I like the idea of Lewis combined with the bull dozier in the backfield  ..
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I like it except I will cry if they take a G in the first round, especially if Dennard is there for the taking.
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I've done the simulator several times as well. I like your draft. Look at this crazy one I ended up with. If this was real. Wow!
Your score is: 4677 (Drafting Ability: A, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: B+)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 24 (CINN): Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State (A)
Round 1 Pick 26: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M (A)
Round 2 Pick 3: Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State (A)
Round 2 Pick 23 (CINN): David Yankey, OG, Stanford (A)
Round 3 Pick 7: Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU (A)
Round 3 Pick 19: Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford (A)
Round 3 Pick 24 (CINN): Tre Mason, RB, Auburn (A)
Round 4 Pick 6: Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona (A)
Round 4 Pick 27: Marqueston Huff, FS, Wyoming (A)
Round 5 Pick 5: A.J. McCarron, QB, Alabama (A)
Round 6 Pick 4: J.C. Copeland, FB, LSU (A-)
Round 7 Pick 3: Jeremy Gallon, WR, Michigan (A)
Your Future Picks:
2015 Round 1 Pick (CINN)
2015 Round 1 Pick
2016 Round 1 Pick
Wow, that's insane. Shocking that Manziel is still there that late, almost every time I tried picking him up past 6 Tampa Bay snagged him. Normally I wouldn't agree with drafting two QB's but with Manziel's size, that may not be a bad move. Dennard, Shazier, Yankey, Landry and Mason all picks I would love, but don't see Dennard there that late in the first or Mason there that late in the 3rd. That would be a hell of a draft though. Love getting Cincy's 1st since it will be a top five
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4: Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville
26: Jace Amaro TE Texas Tech
35: Allen Robinson WR Penn State
71: Yawin Smallwood ILB UConn
83: Carlos Hyde RB Ohio State
102: Dion Bailey S USC
123: Jaylen Watkins CB Florida
133: Marcus Martin C USC
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Thats a nice draft but you didn't get us any OL help and we need it Big time !
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I bet we can find a Guard (and maybe a Tackle) in free agency.
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Yes free agency is where I would start fixing the Oline this year. For the OL I would sign Mack back, for G help I would sign Geoff Schwartz or Jon Asamoah for G help. And maybe look into Rodger Saffold to play RT. And roll with that.
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Wow, that's insane. Shocking that Manziel is still there that late, almost every time I tried picking him up past 6 Tampa Bay snagged him. Normally I wouldn't agree with drafting two QB's but with Manziel's size, that may not be a bad move. Dennard, Shazier, Yankey, Landry and Mason all picks I would love, but don't see Dennard there that late in the first or Mason there that late in the 3rd. That would be a hell of a draft though. Love getting Cincy's 1st since it will be a top five
Yeah I was surprised Manziel lasted that long as well. I love getting another teams first for next season. Two first just give you so many options. Four 1st round picks in two years is amazing. I like this QB class so trading back to me was worth the risk.
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None of those line-ups do much for me , but I am a trench man ( on both sides of the ball )
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I bet we can find a Guard (and maybe a Tackle) in free agency.
Maybe it's just me but it seems like OL is generally the least successful in FA signings. I wish there was info on this. It always seems like good OL that leave their first team are rarely heard of again. Plus OL are proven the most successful of any position in the top 2 rounds.
Out of the positions we need S and ILB will give us the best deals per talent. I hope that's where we attack. You know how much you'd have to pay for an OL or a WR of Jairus Byrds quality? A lot more than he's going to get paid. FS is such an incredibly important position these days.
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I bet we can find a Guard (and maybe a Tackle) in free agency.
Maybe it's just me but it seems like OL is generally the least successful in FA signings. I wish there was info on this. It always seems like good OL that leave their first team are rarely heard of again. Plus OL are proven the most successful of any position in the top 2 rounds.
Out of the positions we need S and ILB will give us the best deals per talent. I hope that's where we attack. You know how much you'd have to pay for an OL or a WR of Jairus Byrds quality? A lot more than he's going to get paid. FS is such an incredibly important position these days.
We've done well with guys like Eric Steinbach, Joe Andruzzi, Floyd Womack, Hank Fraley, Rex Hadnot, and Ryan Tucker in free agency. These guys weren't perfect, but most were plus level OL who were let down by substandard QB and RB play.
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We've also done not so great.
Pashos, St. Claire, Cousins (debatable, since he only played because of a bunch of injuries). Plus, I thought there was another dude that played RT after Tucker, but before St. Claire that was pretty bad as well.
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I bet we can find a Guard (and maybe a Tackle) in free agency.
Maybe it's just me but it seems like OL is generally the least successful in FA signings. I wish there was info on this. It always seems like good OL that leave their first team are rarely heard of again. Plus OL are proven the most successful of any position in the top 2 rounds.
Out of the positions we need S and ILB will give us the best deals per talent. I hope that's where we attack. You know how much you'd have to pay for an OL or a WR of Jairus Byrds quality? A lot more than he's going to get paid. FS is such an incredibly important position these days.
We've done well with guys like Eric Steinbach, Joe Andruzzi, Floyd Womack, Hank Fraley, Rex Hadnot, and Ryan Tucker in free agency. These guys weren't perfect, but most were plus level OL who were let down by substandard QB and RB play.
I'll give you Steinbach and Fraley. Tuck played well at OG but I'm not sure how you can be a plus when your a below average RT and injured most of your career. Just saying. You do make a point though.
The thing is though that only Steiny was brought in as a big FA. He was the only one paid the big money and widely considered a good OL. I'd like to think were at the point where the only reason to bring a FA in is for impact. I think our roster is finally stocked enough to not need the 10th best FA at a position just so we have the roster requirements the following year. How sad is it that we were that bad?
I guess the real issue is more than any position OL requires a unit. They operate as a single entity. So it either takes a few years or they never truly flourish in a new system. It is really rare to see a newly aquired FA OL come in and make a difference. I just think other positions are a lot easier to find difference makers because they don't rely on each other as much. I much prefer the "grow your own" method for OL. Not to mention until Joes contract expires we have some serious bank invested in OL. I would think a FO would want to avoid more than 2 big contracts.
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However, we have $40+ million in cap space, so money isn't the big stopper it might be for some teams.
Besides, a Guard in the top 75% of the league would cost what ...... $5 million/year? I think that this team would prefer a quality OL in front of a rookie QB. Keep Mack, Sign a Guard and draft a RT, and give a kid a chance to succeed.
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What is anyone's opinion on the Free Agent WR pool this year ??
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Was that Kevin Shaffer? The guy from the Falcons.
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However, we have $40+ million in cap space, so money isn't the big stopper it might be for some teams.
Besides, a Guard in the top 75% of the league would cost what ...... $5 million/year? I think that this team would prefer a quality OL in front of a rookie QB. Keep Mack, Sign a Guard and draft a RT, and give a kid a chance to succeed.
.It's just not as black and white as you make it seem. I've made my points. I stand.
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