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The Chud thing. I'm not sure we will ever know the behind the scenes reason, drama, and responsibility for it.
There was something that I heard Bernie say about Chud...He mentioned Chud recently having A new born baby girl and that he was wanting to spend time with her.. Being a coach sure takes time away from family... Just wondered if he regrets some time lost with his 2 boys...And the new baby girl may have had him lose a little passion for the time needed to be a NFL HC....just a thought.
I don't get into the FO discussions much...It's way above me to understand the works behind the front office and the daily duties involved.
Whether the Chud firing was wrong or right... It was admitted things weren't working out and they felt it was necessary for a change...And that's what they did.
It is now past us... Looking forward to the next important events is all I care about..And as they unfold I can only hope that it all falls into place to create a winner in the Browns org.
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Off topic. Sorry in advance.
That's a rug on Banner's head right?
I don't care but I just want to make sure others are seeing what I'm seeing.
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...and a bad one at that. That is one nasty hair hat.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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As far as I know he is.. he was hired in May of last year so I'm not sure how much credit he can get for it but he is probably going to be there
Still works for for Denver - can't remember what playoff game it was but I saw him in the owners box
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...and a bad one at that. That is one nasty hair hat.
I think he was caught in the vortex of a rugnado when he was a younger.
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Hey
His story hasn't ended yet.
So far, it has some looks of disaster. But, there is a chance. If Pettine turns out to be a solid NFL Head Coach, and he hits a homer with a QB, or at least if it starts to appear like that's going to happen, then everything changes. This period isn't even remembered or thought of. The story is how Lombardi and Banner weathered the storm, persevered, and built the Brownies into a winner. It may feel like a long shot, actually it is a long shot, but I have no other choice but to hope something good happens. The coach thing is almost done, now comes his make or break draft.
Pressures on.
Who cares if he wears a rug, looks like a rat, or whatever?
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His story hasn't ended yet.
So far, it has some looks of disaster. But, there is a chance. If Pettine turns out to be a solid NFL Head Coach, and he hits a homer with a QB, or at least if it starts to appear like that's going to happen, then everything changes. This period isn't even remembered or thought of. The story is how Lombardi and Banner weathered the storm, persevered, and built the Brownies into a winner. It may feel like a long shot, actually it is a long shot, but I have no other choice but to hope something good happens. The coach thing is almost done, now comes his make or break draft.
Pressures on.
Who cares if he wears a rug, looks like a rat, or whatever?
The great thing in the NFL is that you can always turn things around by finding a good coach and a great QB ... or can at least become a winning team by finding a great coach and a good QB.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I'm going to repeat a rant I went on earlier.
Adam Gase was stupid to not jump at this job.
It was a dumb move.
Big mistake.
Obviously, our new coach makes beter decisions than he does. Lets hope he coaches these boys up.
This job was an absolute diamond in the rough. The media created a false reality as they always do. They were wrong as they often are.
I have a very strong gut feeling that 5 years from now, Adam Gase is going to be talking to someone about the opportunity that slipped away.
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I'm going to repeat a rant I went on earlier.
Adam Gase was stupid to not jump at this job.
It was a dumb move.
Big mistake.
Obviously, our new coach makes beter decisions than he does. Lets hope he coaches these boys up.
This job was an absolute diamond in the rough. The media created a false reality as they always do. They were wrong as they often are.
I have a very strong gut feeling that 5 years from now, Adam Gase is going to be talking to someone about the opportunity that slipped away.
Going to disagree. We've been on this board for a decade saying how wrong the media is. Yet we remain horrible. It's not coincidence.
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I also think you're wrong about Gase. As Peyton goes so will Gase's stock go. It's not like if Manning sticks around next year everyone is suddenly going to look at Gase as riding Manning's coat tails. At least no one more than those of us that already do. His 'boy genius' stock will be fine and he'll get another chance to jump next year, or the year after, or whenever Peyton finally hangs up his cleats. Quote:
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...and a bad one at that. That is one nasty hair hat.
I think he was caught in the vortex of a rugnado when he was a younger.
It looks like it needs a chinstrap as it is. It's sliding off the back of his head.
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I also think you're wrong about Gase. As Peyton goes so will Gase's stock go. It's not like if Manning sticks around next year everyone is suddenly going to look at Gase as riding Manning's coat tails. At least no one more than those of us that already do. His 'boy genius' stock will be fine and he'll get another chance to jump next year, or the year after, or whenever Peyton finally hangs up his cleats.
And if Manning gets hurt in week 2 next year and the Broncos win 5 games, he will be 5 years trying to rebuild his reputation to get another chance...
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I just think people are wondering what the draw was with hiring him. This is not a very simple Business regarding organizational skills and economics. I think the hire probably was important so that the GM could mostly concentrate on the Personnel end hopefully coordinating scouting with the coaches needs and preferences.
Banner would be the head of the Organization in its planning and economics basically the business part of it.
I think some of the basic preferences were actually outlined by Haslam. I know it was he who emphasized we were going to have an attack style 3-4 Defense and an Attack offense. I also think the firing was not a concept of Banner nor Lombardi for that matter but especially Banner cause I think the bulk decision to hire Chud was his...not Haslam. Lombardi was not here yet.
But prior to the firing I liked what he was doing and didn't think he deserved all of the negative press he was receiving. Post firing I got my two fingers pointing at my eyes and pointing back at his back n forth...lol 
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I also think you're wrong about Gase. As Peyton goes so will Gase's stock go. It's not like if Manning sticks around next year everyone is suddenly going to look at Gase as riding Manning's coat tails. At least no one more than those of us that already do. His 'boy genius' stock will be fine and he'll get another chance to jump next year, or the year after, or whenever Peyton finally hangs up his cleats.
And if Manning gets hurt in week 2 next year and the Broncos win 5 games, he will be 5 years trying to rebuild his reputation to get another chance...
If he only wins 5 games then he apparently isn't all that and we dodged the bullet. I do understand what you're saying though. He must be sure of his skills, or Peyton's health, and is willing to roll the dice.
I also disagree with the initial thought that the Browns are somehow a young coach's dream job and Gase was a fool to pass us up. Sorry but we're disfunctional until proven otherwise. 15 years of general crappiness is too hard to look past. As is the constant turnover in staff.
I think Gase, if he is truly the boy genius some think he might be, will be fine without the Browns.
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If Manning does not get hurt, he is still in Indy with Caldwell as coach. Staying in Denver is a smart move as his stock will only go up, and he will get a better offer than from a disfunctional losing organization where he would likely not last 3 years.
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We will see.
I say there is a really good chance that this organization continues to build and improve.
If he gets lucky and gets a HC gig, I'm banking on the job he gets isn't as good as ours. Now, some of you think the Jets, Dolphins, Rams, etc. jobs are better than our "dysfunctional" situation. I think our job will end up being a better gig. If Whisenhunt was actually offered this job and chose the Titans over us, I think he made a big mistake. The Titans will remain average. We have the potential to be really good. We are a good Quarterback away.
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I also think you're wrong about Gase. As Peyton goes so will Gase's stock go. It's not like if Manning sticks around next year everyone is suddenly going to look at Gase as riding Manning's coat tails. At least no one more than those of us that already do. His 'boy genius' stock will be fine and he'll get another chance to jump next year, or the year after, or whenever Peyton finally hangs up his cleats.
And if Manning gets hurt in week 2 next year and the Broncos win 5 games, he will be 5 years trying to rebuild his reputation to get another chance...
In the words of Emeril
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As I already said...
"If he only wins 5 games then he apparently isn't all that and we dodged the bullet."
Bam.
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See, I'd have looked at it differently.,, You have kids, you want to provide.. Providing means working.
I'd be more inclined to work harder to provide more. Maybe that's just me.
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As I already said...
"If he only wins 5 games then he apparently isn't all that and we dodged the bullet."
Bam.
Why? From a coaching perspective, is winning 12 games with Peyton Manning more impressive than winning 5 games with Brock Osweiler? That's why these coordinator candidates are so hard to judge... Osweiler might be so bad that winning 5 games with him as your QB should qualify you for coach of the year...
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I'd take Oswieller over what we had last season. There's no assurance we'll get a 'franchise' QB here. Winning 4 or 5 games in Cleveland will get you fired. Gase knew all of the above.
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I'd take Oswieller over what we had last season. There's no assurance we'll get a 'franchise' QB here. Winning 4 or 5 games in Cleveland will get you fired. Gase knew all of the above.
Educate us on Oswieller. What makes him better than Hoyer and Campbell? I think he has thrown for right around 100 yards in his entire career. His mechanics are pretty whacked and he throws quite a few picks. He is 6'7". Has a decent arm and some upside. But why would you make such a statement other than out of pure stubbornness?
I don't think we will fire our coach if he wins four or five games. In fact, I think he has pretty good job security after the PR nightmare that followed the last firing.
With that said, I think Gase is a very bright guy and is going to have a nice future in the NFL.
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I guess I should have said this, Oswieller at least has upside. Toss Hoyer out as his injury is what it is. Cambell gave us very little and he's a known commodity. Maybe Oswieller doesn't get us more than 4 wins but as a coach I'd still take his upside, sitting under Manning, than Weeden's and Cambell's upside combined with our shaky FO. Gase probably saw a similar picture.
I'm not saying our team doesn't have promise. I just don't think Gase made as dire a mistake as one poster may think. That's all.
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I don't think it's dire either. I agree w/you on that point. I was just trying to keep things real.
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I do not think it is that dire either.... that said I agree with at least some of the premise that Gase may have erred in not at least talking to us.
the toxicity argument aside ( and I do not think it is as toxic as the media portrays), there is no guarantee that he will enjoy the success he has recently, nor that his star will be as bright next year as it is now. The landscape is replete with coaches that shone brightly one year and dimmed the next.. I can offer Shanahan as a recent example, I am sure you can think of others as well.
Also the argument that next year he will find that "perfect" job is suspect, well we all know that teams typically looking for coaches are not in ideal positions, all have issues either with FO, coaches, players, cap, mental and /or physical issues, etc.
who knows what the future holds? What I do know... if it were me.. I would at least talk.. there are 32 HC positions, each year only a few of those open up and the competition for them is keen, I might be more inclined to strike while the iron is hot.
But if he felt he was not ready , for ANY reason, then he needs to stay put... a coach with no confidence in his ability to succeed in any position is not one I want.
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I'd take Oswieller over what we had last season.
I suppose this is fitting with the natural progression as a Browns fan... Love the starting QB until he has played a few games and proven to not be great... then believe that the back-up is the savior... when the back-ups come in and prove they are not the savior, then begin to covet other teams back-ups. 
The only reason anybody would say they take Osweiler isn't potential... it's relativity.. our backups were horrible, therefore the unknown might be relatively better.
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There is an old saying in management.
"Why would I fire a guy after a few mistakes. Those mistakes, and the lessons learned from them, cost me an awful lot already." The point being, that when good people make mistakes they learn from them, and don't repeat them. It also toughens them up, etc...
Pete Carroll alluded to it in the press today.
Bellichick, Parcells, you name it.
If Gase came here and failed, it would have been an extremely valuable life lesson. He would have learned many things while young, and it could have laid a foundation for him to eventually become a great NFL coach. But, he was chicken.
You guys may be right.
We'll see.
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