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NRTU but I find it funny that some people were so worried that we had this preconceived plan and the deal was already done and that we weren't going to do the exhaustive search... now that the list of interviewees has grown and we haven't made a decision yet, a lot of people seem frustrated that we didn't have a preconceived plan and a couple select candidates already in mind to hire immediately...
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NRTU but I find it funny that some people were so worried that we had this preconceived plan and the deal was already done and that we weren't going to do the exhaustive search... now that the list of interviewees has grown and we haven't made a decision yet, a lot of people seem frustrated that we didn't have a preconceived plan and a couple select candidates already in mind to hire immediately...
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To your point: Will Burge stated in is interview on 92.3 this morning that McDaniels was their #1 candidate per high ranking officials in the Browns org. Said, Lombardi and Farmer sold McDaniels to Haslam. Haslam was very impressed with McDaniels during their interview. When McDaniels withdrew his candidacy Lombardi was "crushed" per his sources. Burge stated, Adam Gase was their #2 choice and was intially Banner and Haslam's guy after being told by folks in the league he was "the next hot thing." He then withdrew his candidacy as we aware.
I like Will, but this is ridiculous. It doesn't add up. If they wanted McDaniels they would have offered him the job.
Please someone cite one report that gives a reason for McDaniels backing out other than his feelings were hurt that the Browns didn't beg him.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Pettine better be a damn huge upgrade over Chud for us to sacrifice Norv and Ray.
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To your point: Will Burge stated in is interview on 92.3 this morning that McDaniels was their #1 candidate per high ranking officials in the Browns org. Said, Lombardi and Farmer sold McDaniels to Haslam. Haslam was very impressed with McDaniels during their interview. When McDaniels withdrew his candidacy Lombardi was "crushed" per his sources. Burge stated, Adam Gase was their #2 choice and was intially Banner and Haslam's guy after being told by folks in the league he was "the next hot thing"
Again, take it for it's worth. I'll look to find the audio of his interview this morning.
I heard the interview on the way in. This is exactly what Will Burge reported.
did they also state that Pettine "wowed" them?
If so then maybe they changed their collective minds on who they wanted.
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He did state Pettine "wowed" them in his initial interview. Here's a link to the audio. Will Burge Audio
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NRTU but I find it funny that some people were so worried that we had this preconceived plan and the deal was already done and that we weren't going to do the exhaustive search... now that the list of interviewees has grown and we haven't made a decision yet, a lot of people seem frustrated that we didn't have a preconceived plan and a couple select candidates already in mind to hire immediately...
LOL//.... spot on... Color me as one who was sure JM was the one they were going to hire without really looking at anyione else.
I am very happy they talked to an extensive list and had others they wanted to talk to... I just wanted due diligence.
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To your point: Will Burge stated in is interview on 92.3 this morning that McDaniels was their #1 candidate per high ranking officials in the Browns org. Said, Lombardi and Farmer sold McDaniels to Haslam. Haslam was very impressed with McDaniels during their interview. When McDaniels withdrew his candidacy Lombardi was "crushed" per his sources. Burge stated, Adam Gase was their #2 choice and was intially Banner and Haslam's guy after being told by folks in the league he was "the next hot thing." He then withdrew his candidacy as we aware.
I like Will, but this is ridiculous. It doesn't add up. If they wanted McDaniels they would have offered him the job.
Please someone cite one report that gives a reason for McDaniels backing out other than his feelings were hurt that the Browns didn't beg him.
In the interview they asked him that question, his reply was negotiation tactics to not let McDaniels think he was the #1 choice so they wouldn't have to back up the Brinks Truck.....not saying agree with him but that was his explanation.
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He did state Pettine "wowed" them in his initial interview.
Here's a link to the audio.
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Thanks, this is why you talk to every candidate you can... there just might be that one guy down the list that has what you are looking for.
Not saying this is fact, but sometimes you settle for a nice steak when there is prime rib on the menu
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To your point: Will Burge stated in is interview on 92.3 this morning that McDaniels was their #1 candidate per high ranking officials in the Browns org. Said, Lombardi and Farmer sold McDaniels to Haslam. Haslam was very impressed with McDaniels during their interview. When McDaniels withdrew his candidacy Lombardi was "crushed" per his sources. Burge stated, Adam Gase was their #2 choice and was intially Banner and Haslam's guy after being told by folks in the league he was "the next hot thing." He then withdrew his candidacy as we aware.
I like Will, but this is ridiculous. It doesn't add up. If they wanted McDaniels they would have offered him the job.
Please someone cite one report that gives a reason for McDaniels backing out other than his feelings were hurt that the Browns didn't beg him.
In the interview they asked him that question, his reply was negotiation tactics to not let McDaniels think he was the #1 choice so they wouldn't have to back up the Brinks Truck.....not saying agree with him but that was his explanation.
That's correct, as Burge reported it. I linked the audio above if anyone is interested in listening to the interview.
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I feel like I would rather have a front office go into a coaching search and have a preconceived plan, only to be wowed by a candidate to the point where they feel confident in hiring them.
Yes I get we fell back on Chud last year, this situation seems a bit different. We took our time, interviewed a ton of candidates, and actually did our research.
I really hope this team runs a 4-6, from what I understand on how it works, our personnel will actually be really good for it.
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So again we are stuck with an unproven rookie HC.
Well, it's either that or we get stuck with a proven failure as a head coach who was looking for another shot.
I'd rather have the guy that can motivate, runs a hybrid defense (which our personnel seems pretty damn good for) and has had top 10 defenses everywhere he has been.
Let's not bury him before he even starts.
I agree. Came from the Jets running a 3-4, kept a 4-3 in Buffalo because that was what personnel he had. The Bills had the second-most sacks in the league and the second-most INTs. They gave up a lot of points, though.
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In the interview they asked him that question, his reply was negotiation tactics to not let McDaniels think he was the #1 choice so they wouldn't have to back up the Brinks Truck.....not saying agree with him but that was his explanation.
Initially I would say BS,,, but in retrospect that does sound like a Banner tactic, sad to say... man that could have rellay blown up in their face.
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This all leads me to what could be it's own thread, why doesn't this front office SHUT UP? I don't WANT to know who the front runners & favorites are! I want them to go into a cave and then know we have a coach when some smoke comes billowing out.
I swear, why not make a reality show out of the whole process? Oooh, tension was higher than normal this week! Did you see Lombardi trying not to cry? You just know Jimmy wanted to tell Banner to shut his mouth in the finale. I think Banner has something on him & we won't find out what til next season . . .
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Can someone tell me why Danica Patrick is reporting, on his radio show, that Pettine has been offered the job and no other outlets are?
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Can someone tell me why Danica Patrick is reporting, on his radio show, that Pettine has been offered the job and no other outlets are?
Danica... 
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The more I looked up information, the more I liked Pettine. Comes from a football family, worked his way from HS->college->NFL and had success all along the way. Coached in aggressive 3-4 schemes in Baltimore and NY-Jets and seemed to get the most out of his defenses at every stop.
Look, he's not the big name, he's not a guy with local ties, but he could be the guy we need. He's intense, he's beloved by players despite being a disciplinarian (just going off reports, not sure how accurate) and for people who wanted Cowher, well this guy's got a heck of a scowl too.
Now, I'm interested to see who he brings in as co-ordinators. Heard Van Pelt possibly for OC (I'm hoping Bloomgren, but that's just me hoping)? What about DC?
Let's get this thing done and move forward. We still have to fill a bunch of roster holes in FA and the draft.
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I agree 100% with you and Steve, 'Peen. I don't have a problem with them interviewing a lot of people. There's something to be said for being thorough.
My problem is that it seems to have no rhyme or reason. Granted, I'm not in the room so I don't know if this is all very organized or not. But my perception is that they have a list of every single person who's ever coached, played or watched football (both American and electric) and we're interviewing them.
By just about all accounts, Greg Schiano was a disaster as a head coach...yet we interview him? We bring in a guy we seem to like (Pettine), yet we need 3 interviews with him (though I won't be surprised if the 3rd one is just ironing out details). But why couldn't we accomplish that at the 2nd one? Oh, because we needed to have a 10 minute talk with Dirk Koetter and fly to Florida to talk with train wreck Schiano?
Again, I don't have a problem with being thorough. I do have a problem with the perception that we have no idea what we're doing. It would be like if my firm wanted to hire a new employee. We'd accept resumes, we'd interview people, then we'd go next door to the appliance store and talk to those people, then we'd go across the street to the cupcake place and talk with them, then we'd go down the street to the mexican restaurant and see what they know.
It's like we had this grand plan to get a coach, then someone walked into the room and sneezed and it blew all the post it notes out of order.
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Yes I get we fell back on Chud last year, this situation seems a bit different. We took our time, interviewed a ton of candidates, and actually did our research.
I mean...that's what we think now.... last year the three fools said that they were so wow'ed by Chud....
Not saying it's not different this year, but everything indicates that we're hiring a fall-back guy, given the number of people who have publicly removed themselves from the search.
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It's like we had this grand plan to get a coach, then someone walked into the room and sneezed and it blew all the post it notes out of order.
As funny as that sounds...I can actually picture Banners face while grabbing together the mess... Sticky notes stuck all over his arms and face... Funny stuff 79
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As funny as that sounds...I can actually picture Banners face while grabbing together the mess... Sticky notes stuck all over his arms and face... Funny stuff 79
Does anyone remember who we were going to interview first?!?! Who was our frontrunner?!?! Ah crap!!!!
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As funny as that sounds...I can actually picture Banners face while grabbing together the mess... Sticky notes stuck all over his arms and face... Funny stuff 79
Does anyone remember who we were going to interview first?!?! Who was our frontrunner?!?! Ah crap!!!!
Pettine wasnt it?  
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I wouldn't be surprised if they actually wanted to interview Bobby Petrino or Rick Pitino, but they screwed up the spelling and called Mike Pettine.
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Personally, I think this "mystery candidate" is none other then Josh McDaniels. http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...ts-say-1.461229http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/22/report-browns-mcdaniels-talking/http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/01/23/report-mcdaniels-back-in-mix-for-browns-head-coaching-job/its been confirmed that McDaniels contacted the Browns after the AFC Title game. McDaniels wowed Haslam in the 1st interview. Perhaps McDaniels withdrawing was more of a "bargaining tactic" then actually withdrawing? In other words McDaniels was trying to exert leverage and get the Browns to chase him. Both Lombardi and Ray Farmer sold Haslam on McDaniels and are pushing hard for him. I have a hunch all these interviews with Pettine are being used as a "bargaining tool" meaning they will only sign Pettine if they can't come to terms with McDaniels....McDaniels was the #1 guy from day one, if they can land him, they will. I wouldn't be suprised to see McDaniels get the job...Pettine will only get to the job if we can't come to terms with McDaniels....I don't think its Quinn coming in today as the "mystery candidate" I bet its McDaniels... honestly...I think McDaniels is the best guy out there for us unfortunately....out of the coaches available, he is the best left out of a lackluster group....it is what it is...
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I wouldn't be surprised if they actually wanted to interview Bobby Petrino or Rick Pitino, but they screwed up the spelling and called Mike Pettine.
Like the time we called up Cameron Jordan and welcomed him in as a member of the Browns.
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The things I don't like about Pettine are:
1) Haslem said we were bringing in a proven winner...he doesn't meet that criteria.
2) No one else out there even had him as a probably candidate. So again we are stuck with an unproven rookie HC.
I don't read proven winner as literally as you do. I don't think proven winner has to mean the guy was a head coach....and that is assuming that is what was said.
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Personally, I think this "mystery candidate" is none other then Josh McDaniels
Rumor has it they interviewed him behind the grassy knoll! 
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I don't think proven winner has to mean the guy was a head coach.
A coach like Seely I consider a proven winner... as an example....
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LOL.....I am glad to hear there is no mystery candidate. That had be baffled.
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Peen it ain't over until it's over... Banner still has a contract to negotiate with whoever it is coming in today.
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I don't read proven winner as literally as you do. I don't think proven winner has to mean the guy was a head coach....and that is assuming that is what was said.
At the Press Conference where the Three Stooges comment was made, Haslam said they were going to hire a Proven Winner. When someone says they are going to hire a proven winner what are they talking about? Let's not back track and now claim he meant something else because they obviously were not able to deliver on that.
A proven winner would have been a HC with some success on some level, or an OC/DC that has been successful for a number of years at the very least.
Mike Pettine IMO does not meet that, sure his defense got a lot of sacks this year, but they gave up a ton of points and could not stop the run. I can see arguing Quinn would meet the "Proven Winner" but not Pettine.
Either way I am a Browns fan and hopefully they found their diamond in the rough. Hopefully we found our {Insert Legendary Coach's Name}.
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Peen it ain't over until it's over... Banner still has a contract to negotiate with whoever it is coming in today.
He doesn't do that.....plus, once it gets to that point, parameters have been agreed upon. You generally don't get to the point of even a 2nd interview without knowing what the guy wants or him not knowing what the basic terms of the offer might be. You don't go to writing the contract and then start talking about who has roster control, how long and for how much money is involved.
It's not like a player contract where everything is about the money since you are dealing with a drafted player who has fewer options. With a coach, all that stuff is set in the interview process.....then you iron out the details.
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Cool. I wasn't trying to dispute what was said. I only said that because I didn't hear what was said. At any rate, I don't believe proven winner applies exclusivly to former head coaches. Plus, in some ways, could a former head coach not be called a proven loser? Plus...the guy does meet what you want. He was DC of the Jets for 3-4 years before he went to the Bills. His D's with both teams were always top 10. He was also a top HS head coach....not to mention he was LB coach for the Ravens for 5-6 years when they had the best D and backers in the universe. I'd say he is a proven winner.
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I was just sitting here wondering how many posters are scouring every possible writer, blogger, and twitter source they can find just to be the first to post the new hire. I'm thinking the number would be astounding! Don't get me wrong, I'm checking back to the board every so often because I want to know, but it's the "me first" posters who are really going nuts with the waiting!
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Well, the wait is over. I've been named as the new coach.
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Well, the wait is over. I've been named as the new coach.
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Bad news. I've just been informed that I've been fired. 
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Per the Radio show, Browns have offered the job to Mike Pettine, this is being reported by Adam Schefter of ESPN.
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What are you going to do with all that money ? you going to buy season tickets ?
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Daryl Ruiter of 92.3 has clarified the "Proven Winner" comment allegedly made my Haslam. Haslam used the term "strong winner" not "proven winner." I know it's semantics, but just thought I'd share that point. Haslam on wanting a Strong Winner
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