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Man, I think it is a huge mistake to put the coach in charge of the draft. Coaches have too many other things going on to be in charge of the draft.
I think the coaching staff should have a say in who we draft, but the GM and his team of scouts ultimately make the call. I don't want us drafting a qb because our coach saw him on tv.
Pettine should be part of the team, but no way would I allow him to solely choose the QB. That has disaster written all over it.
I agree 100%.
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i don't see how.
you heard in the presser, he already knows the QB position is the most important aspect this off season. of course he is going to be involved in the QB evaluation, because ultimately the blame is going to be on him if the QB fails.
our GM's have picked the QB's our coaches will have the last few years. tell me, hows that worked out so far?
the other positions can be debated, but Pettine is gonna live or die with the QB, he absolutely should have a say, a STRONG say in who we draft at that position.
this is just hypothetically, but what if Pettine wants Teddy, and instead the FO decides we get Carr or Bortles?
i've paid attention to your draft post. you'd be pissed, especially about Carr.
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Let the man audible at the line then. Don't worry which town he calls out the name of. I kind of like Amarillo! Amarillo! 
Wouldn't Hell (Michigan, of course) be more appropriate?
Well, it has to be the name of a town or city. I guess 'Kalamazoo! Kalamazoo!' does have a nice ring to it. It rolls right off the tongue. 
Yeah, Hell, Michigan. (a real city)
Get to the line and go "Hell! ...... Hell! Hell!"
Then, after the play, the fans can say .... in unison ...... "Damn!" 
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Yeah, Hell, Michigan. (a real city)
Get to the line and go "Hell! ...... Hell! Hell!"
Then, after the play, the fans can say .... in unison ...... "Damn!"
I wouldn't exactly call it a city though. An unincorporated community of 266 people.
But, there is Hell, Norway that is a little bigger and probably nicer people than Michigan.
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So what happened to Quinn in this process ; How did that guy get lost in the shuffle ?
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Are they talking about the new coach?
Yeah,, They are.. in a positive way
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There's also a D!ldo, Newfoundland. I'd love to hear Manning calling that out at the line while looking at Sherman.
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thats what i'm saying.
i don't have a problem with the hire. i guess what to say is...i don't want the FO to pull a 2013 on Pettine. like, not getting the best players as possible because they think the 2015 draft is better. and i hope the fO will be more aggressive in the off-season.
my issues aren't with Pettine. i have a feeling our defense at the very least is gonna punch some people in the mouths next season. my issue is the FO support For him. they marketed our pro bowl players, well since they sold him part of that, that means they need to KEEP those pro bowl players. i don't banner being cheap with the cap space. there's a different imo, between being good with the cap, and being cheap. all of our Talent is young, no reason not to sign them long term.
Swish, I think the difference is THIS year Lombardi and Banner are performing for THEIR jobs! Pettines probably safe.
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Hopefully the Browns new head coach Mike Pettine will prove to be a great head coach.
It makes no difference if he was their first choice or their last. They hired him.
All the prospective head coaches that they interviewed still would have had to prove themselves on the field of play.
Art Rooney Senior came to Paul Brown after the Steelers had been in the cellar for many years and asked Paul what do I do to turn this around? Paul Brown's response was to get a good head coach and a good quarterback.
We now have a head coach. It is his opportunity to prove that he is a good head coach.
The key hire now will be the offensive coordinator.
Once the entire staff is in place the shift of focus will go to free agency and the draft. It is here where the roster is decided that we will find out if this new regime has their act together.
The quarterback decision now looms as the big question. A lot of careers ride on who ends up as the man behind center.
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I am not promising things will be great, but again, the more you try to actually educate yourself about the guy, the more you like.
I'll like the guy when he proves he can win.
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
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What is the point of a post like that? Seriously?
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We've been here too many times. It's hard to get excited about a new hire anymore. It's time the coach we hire proves he can win.
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
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I mean.............why do so many of you feel the need to share how "unexcited" you are? Who cares? Being disinterested is not worth talking about.
Or, is it that you don't want us to care, too?
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j/c Here is great documentary ESPN Films did on Mike Pettine Sr and the Pettine family. Lots of great footage on Mike Pettine Jr. Great stuff here. It's long, 1.5 hrs so carve out some time if interested. I can see why Mike Pettine's old man was/is his biggest influence. ESPN Films: Pettine Documentary
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I think the HC and OC should tell the GM and scouts what they are looking for in a Qb (or any other position for that matter).
Then the GM and scouts evaluate players on that criteria and rank them.
Then the HC and OC should discuss these players with the GM and top scouts, voicing questions and concerns.
The HC should be able to cross names off the list if he absolutely doesn't like the player. But the final decision should come from the scouts.
Remember, Butch over-ruling the scouts is how we ended up with Gerard Warren rather than Richard Seymore.
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I mean.............why do so many of you feel the need to share how "unexcited" you are? Who cares? Being disinterested is not worth talking about.
Or, is it that you don't want us to care, too?
Not to answer for others but...
No, but I also don't understand the overly positive mindset either. This guy has proven nothing. We've heard his speeches flow from other coaches lips. It's all lip service until the season starts and the wins or losses start coming.
No coach would have me singing their praises at this point. Just win. Until then I'm not falling for coach speak or rah rah fandom.
I've read posters statements like, "He looks like a coach." How is that really adding to the conversation? Vermeil cried. Dungy was mousey quiet. They both won.
Get this team a franchise QB and the rest will work itself out. Whether the coach is young, old, bald or graying. A screamer or a saint.
Coach is just a placeholder unless we get a QB. So I'll get excited when we get a QB. Whoever is coaching when that occurs will 'look like a coach'. I'll get excited then.
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Where is the overly positive mindset you are talking about?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Along with that - I just get tired of every 2 years (on average) hiring a new coach and all the "rah rah, exactly what we need" kind of stuff.
Same with draft picks - "oh yeah, baby, this guy will shine for us, we finally got what we need........"
Wash, rinse, repeat.
It gets old.
Win. That doesn't get old.
I just can't get excited for any new coach, or any draft pick anymore.
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Jester...btw congrats on the 10 great years....me I'm on 31 going for 32! 
Back to your dating analogy on getting it right and not with the ones who on the surface show great expectations. Sort of agree..
But unfortunately we have a collective (owners/FOs) Player out thee - man we been dating for so long. My biggest fear (cause in my day we didn't have the diseases that are out there today) is we catch a sexually transmitted disease with all this dating and stuff!
Hopefully Pettine is the one! Things look good. Our Defense will not have much transition to go through. I now heard doubts about Kubiak being our OC - I thought that would be too good to be true, he built one heck of a scheme down there in Texas. We will see, I don't know why Cam Cameron has kept popping in my head from day one.
But we got the most TALENT on this team then any other new coach had...CHud came close but we added Bryant, Kruger, Mingo and Hoyer afterwards. The FA market and strong draft coming up! He has that Run through a brick wall history with his players. Our time might be right...so we are going to date the girl our Parents wanted to instead of the ones that Rock us at first look!
The timing is right (you know for us guys when we want to have kids...lol  )
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
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Where is the overly positive mindset you are talking about?
Maybe 'overly positive' wasn't the best wording. But when I read things like "now we have a football coach" because he's "going to hold his players accountable" and such I just feel... Meh.
My question is if Chud held his players such as Little and Bess accountable by sitting them for even more raw unproven bottom of the roster WRs and we continued to lose what would the response have been? If new Coach holds his players accountable this year by sitting them but has similar depth of talent and the results are continued losing, then what? Another coach?
I'll get excited or be impressed when there is something to be excited or impressed by. Until then Coach is just potentially another in a growing line of failed coaches of crappily QB'd teams with poor talent depth.
Sorry if I'm not feeling rah rah. It's not Coach's fault. I hope him nothing but the best. I'm behind him as I was all the others. I want this team to win. Honestly I do. I'm just not buying pompoms yet.
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I really hate when you go into Toad mode. You could have written that in all white. S.P.I.N.
Oh well, you accuse me of "misinterpreting you on purpose" ...there is no point in even having a discussion with you anymore.
Sad to hear, as I'm having no Problem here. Your narrative is that they did what they promised, a thorough search. That's your premise.
Haslam said 12 months ago that Chud would the last Browns HC hired "for years to come" and that he was an up and comer etc etc. I just have zero trust in their words by now.
Thus, I'm going with a narrative pulled out of various media Reports, as I think there's more truth in between some of them than our FOs words.
What's the problem here, we disagree about this rather unimportant search, so what? The real offseason finally can begin, let's concentrate on that.
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My point was I think 95% of this board and fanbase agree with you.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I mean.............why do so many of you feel the need to share how "unexcited" you are? Who cares?
Do you realize how arrogant that sounds? I for one care why someone would be unimpressed with this hire. If you don't care, don't read it.
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Being disinterested is not worth talking about.
I disagree....in a thread discussing the the hiring of a new coach, most rational people want to hear all sides of the story....including why someone finds the decision uninspiring. If you want a thread with only positive takes on the hire, start one.
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Or, is it that you don't want us to care, too?
After being on this forum practically since it's inception, I don't think I've ever seen someone's opinion changed solely by another's posts once they've taken a stand.
I'm not excited about this hire, and I understand people wanting to see activity in the win column before jumping on board. After what we've been through, how can anybody in their right mind expect otherwise?
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