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http://www.cornerblitz.com/2014/Rankings/Post-Combine/RB.aspx
1. Bishop Sankey, Washington: Bishop Sankey is, in my opinion, the most talented overall running back in this draft. He has a terrific skillset of moves, vision, balance, speed, and receiving ability. He has an ability to take a play going nowhere and make something very positive of it. He has the frame and running style to be a feature back in the NFL and may actually get better as he moves up a level and no longer has to be the focal point of the offense. (vs. Stanford, Oregon, UCLA, Cal)
2. Carlos Hyde, Ohio State: I was hesitant to put Hyde this high, since his line was so dominant over the past two years, but Hyde really does have a good skillset as a running back. Carlos Hyde is obviously very strong and large, but he also makes smart cuts, is a good receiver out of the backfield, and is a solid pass protector. Hyde also has the speed to break away from defenders to make big plays happen. (vs. Northwestern, Iowa, Penn St, Michigan, Michigan St.)
3. Lache Seastrunk, Baylor: Seastrunk is one of the most explosive backs in the draft. He can slip through small holes at the line of scrimmage and has breakaway speed and good balance. He wasn't often used as a receiver, but was very effective in that role when he was called upon. He needs work as a pass protector. (vs. Kansas St, Texas, West Virginia, and Central Florida)
4. James White, Wisconsin: Good burst and sets up blocks well. I like him and I think Wisconsin's OL is living on their past reputation a little. I think he would probably be "rated" higher in the media if Gordon wasn't on his team and maybe if he had a more interesting name. Good cuts, good receiver, nice speed, and a decent pass protector... White is certainly one of the most-complete backs in the class. (vs. Arizona State, Ohio State, South Carolina)
5. Devonta Freeman, Florida State: Speed to get to the corner. Can make a positive play out of a busted one. Very tough runner. Always fighting for positive yardage and has fumbled in the past for this reason. Good feet to avoid the trash underneath him. Sells out on pass protection. Follows his blocking well. Can get pinballed due to his lack of size, which is my primary concern about his NFL potential. (Clemson, Duke, Auburn)
6. Jeremy Hill, LSU: Follows fullback well, anticipating openings that will pop up after FB engages. Gets a good head of steam up then is hard to bring down. More buildup speed than sudden speed. Isn't going to take many pitches around the corner, but will bounce it outside if the middle is clogged. Very strong, but not a good pass protector. Most success comes on run up the middle. (vs. Auburn, Arkansas, Mississippi St.)
7. Terrance West, Towson: Really good patience and knows when to cut. Good change-of-direction. He doesn't make the highlight, ankle-breaking circus moves but his cuts are smart and optimal. Good speed at the FCS level. Big and strong, too. Absolutely demolished Eastern Illinois in the playoff game. Shows the ability to play well in poor field conditions and in good ones. Can have a long career in the NFL in that he is big without too low of body fat, and always seems to avoid direct hits despite his size. Played with two fullbacks at Towson and will likely face new challenges and many teams don't use a fullback in their primary offense. (vs. Eastern Illinois, Eastern Washington, and North Dakota State).
8. Tre Mason, Auburn: Good lateral agility, not a lot of power to move defenders but will sometimes shake off arm tackles. Will duck his head to fall forward when play is going nowhere. When running up the middle, will look for the best hole and lurch forward to get what he can, limiting opportunities for big runs. Plenty of speed to get to the corner. Gets physically overwhelmed in pass protection. May be an effective kick returner in the NFL. (vs. FSU, Alabama, Missouri)
9. Isaiah Crowell, South Alabama: The former SEC Freshman of the Year has breakaway speed and sets up his blocks very well. He can shake off tacklers much bigger than him and makes maddening cuts. Uses his off-arm extremely well. Some question marks as to why he didn't dominate lesser competition after transferring to South Alabama, but he has terrific talent. (vs. South Carolina {2011}, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, and Jackson St.)
10. Adam Muema, San Diego State: Really nimble feet, finds small holes, turns upfield and makes good moves. Follows his blocking well and knows when to break upfield. He does not have great speed. Has kind of a weird body type for a running back, I'd like to see some more upper-body strength, but I like him later in the draft. (vs. Buffalo and Nevada)
11. Marion Grice, Arizona State: Good combination of size, speed and strength. Showed a lot of versatility in college. Very talented receiver. Was a gunner in punt coverage and a kick returner. Is not a very explosive runner and gets in trouble going east-to-west. Decent pass protector.Doesn't show great vision and doesn't really create yardage on his own. (Wisconsin, USC, UCLA)
12. Charles Sims, West Virginia: Good effort, driving legs until play is over. Does not have speed to get outside and turn the corner or run away from defensive backs. Good awareness in pass protection. Doesn't show the improvisational skills you like to see in a top back. Can break arm tackles but doesn't always do a good job to set up defenders in that position. Capable reveiver. Does not show a strong burst. Sometimes braces for contact too much behind line of scrimmage. (vs. TCU, Ok State, Baylor, Senior Bowl)
13. Antonio Andrews, Western Kentucky: The NCAA's all-purpose yardage leader in each of the last two seasons, Antonio Andrews excelled in the FBS as a running back, receiver, and returner. He showed at the Senior Bowl that he is a good pass protector as well. The biggest thing holding him back from being higher on this list is a lack of speed. This is a very good class of backs and that shortcoming is difficult to mask. (vs. Tennessee, Arkansas State, Senior Bowl)
14. Ka'Deem Carey, Arizona: I don't like him nearly as much as he's been talked up. He needs a lot of help at the line of scrimmage to do anything. If he gets the ball in the open field he can beat people with power and moves. He doesn't show an ability to find the small holes. Doesn't always make good decisions behind the line of scrimmage. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of Trent Richardson, for good and for bad. I don't know that his game translates well to the NFL. (Boston College, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Oregon)
15. Branden Oliver, Buffalo: Mighty mouse, MJD-type. Decent receiver and quick cuts. Good power for a small guy. Saw four Buffalo games this year (thanks to the MAC being on ESPN Tuesdays and Wednesdays)... really liked him after the first one but wasn't as impressive in the next two. Showed well in the bowl game. (vs. Ohio, Toledo, Bowling Green, and San Diego State).
16. Storm Johnson, Central Florida: Fumbled four times in the three games I watched him in. He's a huge target but doesn't avoid tacklers like Hyde. Much broader than he is strong. Doesn't have real good moves. He's basically a speed back in a power back's body. (vs. Houston, South Florida, & Baylor)
17. Andre Williams, Boston College: Straight-ahead runner. Doesn't show playmaking ability. Can seem lumbering at times behind the line of scrimmage and will miss cutback opportunities. Not explosive and times faster than he plays. May not even be the best running back on his team. Has good strength if he can get defenders to not hit him head-on. Most of his big running plays came off of excellent blocks by LG #76 Bobby Vadardo. Quality pass protector.(vs. Arizona, Virginia Tech, Florida State)
18. Tyler Gaffney, Stanford: Times with better speed than he plays. Very tough and will hit to create and extra yard or two over taking a gamble for a bigger run. Was the benificiary of a run-based offense at Stanford and powerful blockers that wore down defenses. Has excellent endurance, putting up 35-40 carries some games. Receiving skills are adequate. Good in pass protection. Issues with ball security. (Oregon, USC)
19. Jerick McKinnon, Georgia Southern: Intriguing player because of his size, speed, and strength combination, but I've only seen one game of his: the win against Florida. He piled up a lot of yards on tosses in that game as he ran away from SEC defenders but he didn't break a single tackle in that game. I'd be hard-pressed to spend a draft pick on him based on what I saw with so many talented RBs in this class. (vs. Florida)
20. De'Anthony Thomas, Oregon: Excellent speed, toughness, and agility, but it is unlikely to compensate for his diminutive stature in the NFL. There is just not precedent in the NFL over the past 20 years for someone of his size to be more than a bit player, and it's hard to rate a bit player higher than this. It's not even clear he was the best running back on his team this year. (vs. Oregon St, Tennessee, Stanford, Virginia)
21. Jerome Smith, Syracuse: Runs with decent speed and good power, but too out of control to recognize where the big play is and capitalize on it with regularity. (vs. Penn St and NC State)
22. Kapri Bibbs, Colorado State: I don't understand why he left school. He did not show good elusiveness or power. He was the benificiary of a highly-talented blocking group in front of him. I would think the prospect of a free college education would be enough for a player who at best can hope for a fringe role in the NFL. (vs. San Jose State)
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I thought Baker looked like a starting quality RB and my biggest criticism of Norv and Chud was not giving him the ball more. Hell everytime he seemed to touch the ball he was gaining 5 or 6 yards and these were the exact same holes that mcGahee and Richardson were missing. I love Tre Mason and Carols Hyde but i wont be upset if we take a pass on RB until late.
I thought Baker did really well, too. Still think we should add a quality back to go along with him and with Dion Lewis.
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I can't answer for Mour, but when I agreed on Baker, that isn't to say we don't look to bring in someone else in the draft.
The way I see it is Lewis is the scatback type. Baker looks to be the well rounded guy, so to me it makes sense to look for a bigger, power type player to round things out. Hyde works.
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I agree with you about Hyde and the type of RB still needed.
The only problem with Hyde, is that I believe he will go high enough in the draft that they may not be willing to make that high of an investment in such a RB.
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I like Hyde and think he is a first round talented back but I am not sure he would be the best fit in a zone scheme.
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Baker seemed to produce more in a spread situation...as would all smallish RBs.
Pending on our offense which I have no clue what we will be running. If its a spread Lewis and Baker can both fit well. Lewis will be the Premier back of the two.
We got him off of a Practice Squad? Pretty much what I meant - if we do our homework we can dig somebody good up. Let them compete bring 3-4 in here some big some scat backs. Pretty sure Lewis right now will be featured, Baker a very good reserve maybe K/O returns. Depth or a bigger RB like Tate.
Not saying Baker didn't look good but keep in mind - compared with? MaGahee? Ogb? I got two kids on my team that would look good against those two. lol 
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Chris Johnson of the Titans is likely going to be cut as well, so you can add him to the pile.
Not questioning you, but why do you think that? contract $?
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My dream first three picks for the Browns in this draft are:
Teddy Bridgewater
Jordan Matthews
Carlos Hyde
Later add a guard or right tackle. I could see Mitchell moving into guard. Maybe getting Michael Oher in free agency.
If they drafted a guard I would want a guy who is really great as run blocker who would compliment Hyde.
Good dream. Add Kate Upton and I'm in.
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OK, got my RB rankings updated:
http://www.cornerblitz.com/2014/Rankings/Post-Combine/RB.aspx
1. Bishop Sankey, Washington: Bishop Sankey is, in my opinion, the most talented overall running back in this draft. He has a terrific skillset of moves, vision, balance, speed, and receiving ability. He has an ability to take a play going nowhere and make something very positive of it. He has the frame and running style to be a feature back in the NFL and may actually get better as he moves up a level and no longer has to be the focal point of the offense. (vs. Stanford, Oregon, UCLA, Cal)
Interesting. Good call, this is what I saw in Stankey. The board convinced me to drop him down a bit, but you pretty much nailed what I saw when I watched him play.
Tre Mason at 8?
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Sorry, but if I added Kate Upton to my dream? No WAY you'd be allowed in it! 
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OK, got my RB rankings updated:
http://www.cornerblitz.com/2014/Rankings/Post-Combine/RB.aspx
1. Bishop Sankey, Washington: Bishop Sankey is, in my opinion, the most talented overall running back in this draft. He has a terrific skillset of moves, vision, balance, speed, and receiving ability. He has an ability to take a play going nowhere and make something very positive of it. He has the frame and running style to be a feature back in the NFL and may actually get better as he moves up a level and no longer has to be the focal point of the offense. (vs. Stanford, Oregon, UCLA, Cal)
Interesting. Good call, this is what I saw in Stankey. The board convinced me to drop him down a bit, but you pretty much nailed what I saw when I watched him play.
Tre Mason at 8?
Yeah the more I watched of Mason the less of what I liked between the tackles. I like his ability to get to the edge but I think his tendency to lean into the line to not get stoned keeps him from making good interior cuts and big plays. Just what I saw.
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I think some people may say that Mason running between the tackles into SEC defenses is a little different than Sankey running into PAC 12's. I only saw Mason play in the Alabama and Florida State games. Sankey looked really good everytime I saw him. I think we are in position to really, REALLY help our team in a number of areas. Man, I hope Farmer hits this draft out of the park. 
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I guess I just don't see it with Sankey. I don't see a special RB at all. I especially don't like his lack of physicality for a RB. He gives himself up too much, not creating after contact and is shying away from contact when pass blocking.
Hyde is the only RB worthy of a top 50 pick in this particular draft class imho. I would be ok with him at 35 or even 26, but his value is more from 40-75 imho. I would be willing to burn a 4th and trade up from 71 to get him in the mid/late 2nd.
Here's an interesting stat on Hyde: in the past two seasons, he AVGed under 4ypc (on minimum 10 carries) in only ONE game: 2012 vs Penn St 22 for 55yds. Of course, this last season he had 147yds and 2 TDs on 16 carries against them
That is some truly amazing consistency. In 3 games vs ranked teams he had 60 runs for 316yds for a 5.27ypc.
Sankey otoh, had 6 games the past two seasons, where his gameday AVG was under 4yds...4 games vs ranked teams. Overall, he had 4 game svs ranked teams in 2013 with 95 carries for 405yds for a 4.26ypc
That said, I'd be happy with any of Hyde, White or Freeman. Those are the day one ready 3 down RBs in this draft imho.
I really like Sims too, but start to think that he should be put in an extra category as a RB/WR tweener. There are many of them in this class (Archer, Thomas, Grice, Huff)...one of those could save a roster spot if their versatility gets used appropiately
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Thanks Steve for the information. Love your stuff.
I would like to see us keep Lewis and Baker and bring in a back later in the draft. I would not spend a high draft pick on any of these RBs.
I have begun looking at guards and RBs and a few ILBers. There is a RB on your list that intrigues me.
His name is Isaiah Crowell. Here is a bit of information on him.
--He was a 5 star recruit coming out of high school.
--Signed w/Georgia and people said he compared favorably to H. Walker.
--Failed a drug test.
--Charged w/two counts of felony arms possession. Both of these charges were dropped.
--Has stayed clean academically and legally in his two years at Alabama St.
--More talent than a RB in this class. In fact, if he is clean, I think he is the VERY BEST back in this class.
--About 25 teams went to Alabama St. to scout this kid.
--Extremely explosive.
--Soft hands.
--Hits hole quickly.
Man, I know this guy is a big time risk, but he would darn well be worth a shot later in the draft. He could end up being a true stud.
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I want Seastrunk baddddddddddddd... dude is gonna be a beast!!
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Thanks for the compliments Django and Vers.
Vers, I agree that Crowell is really talented. I was kind of unsure where to put him, too. I tend to like these guys who start off at a big school as a big recruit and transfer to a smaller school and are kind of forgotten. I have put my foot in my mouth with them in the past as they have not panned out for me... guys like Vidal Hazelton, Jordan Campbell, and probably a handful of guys that have already slipped my memory.
I do think Crowell has potential to be a very good running back in the NFL, but I wonder why he hasn't dominated the lower competition... for example, how can I put him ahead of Terrance West who almost broke the all-time FCS TD record (held by Brian Westbrook) despite leaving after his junior season?
Anyways, yeah obviously I agree he's got a great skillset as I ranked him so high but these guys, as you mentioned, are a risk. I used to not worry about it as much as then what happened with Gordon happened, so now I have to ding a guy when they have a spotty background that looks like a mindset problem.
Anyways, thanks everyone for the comments.
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Steve thanks for the breakdown. Very good work.
There are a lot of good RBs in this class. It seems like most have the same skill sets as Lewis and Baker. I am a big Hyde guy but I would not take him in the first or high 2nd. Too much value to be had later. The more I read about Hill the more I want him. Brings something different to what we have on the roster already.
I am excited to get Lewis back. He looked great in the preseason, but then again so did Weeden.
As for G I really want Martin. I think hes going to be a very good OG and can play OT.
Again thanks for the hard work Steve.
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Sankey is a good choice.
My initial preference is Seastrunk or Mason.
I prefer players that can hit the edge. It makes a team more difficult to defend. You still need a bruiser for the winter, but I like backs that can turn the corner.
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I would take Sankey at 35, maybe even 26, if you're worried about him being off the board. He is a home run threat at all times. I seen enough of Hyde, he is good between the tackles, I just question his speed to get to the outside. He has speed on a straight line, not so much getting to the edge.
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Thanks Steve.
Again, I haven't done a ton of research, but from what I have seen thus far, Crowell has more talent than any other RB in this class. He is so explosive. He just bursts through the line. Catches w/soft hands. Extreme cuts. Sheds tacklers. The guy is unreal.
His off the field crap bothers me big time, but man............he really could last until the latter rounds. I don't see why we shouldn't take a shot on him if he is available then, unless of course, we draft one early or sign Tate in FA. I really hope we don't do either of those things.
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Yeah with our recently-exposed needs at ILB and SS I'm thinking waiting until the 4th for a RB and he might be the guy.
1a) QB Manziel/Bridgewater/Carr
1b) WR Lee/Cooks/Beckham, Jr./Matthews
2) CB Fuller/Joyner
3a) ILB Skov
3b) SS Bailey/Telvin Smith/Loston
4a) ILB Christian Jones
4b) RB White/Freeman/West/Crowell
5) OG Steen
6) OG Linsley
7) WR Campanaro/Gallon/Chandler Jones
Man, that could have us drafting 4 Seminoles, lol.
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I don't like all of those players, but I see what you are doing there. Sound logic. I like it.
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Weather precluded former Alabama State running back Isaiah Crowell from improving on his 40-yard dash at ASU's pro day Tuesday, but it didn't keep him from providing some insight into which NFL clubs have expressed interest in him of late. Crowell said the Cleveland Browns, Oakland Raiders and Baltimore Ravens have shown the most interest in him since his NFL Scouting Combine performance in Indianapolis last month.
"I have talked with the Browns and the Raiders, and the Ravens I have talked to several times," Crowell said.
All three of those teams are in a transition of sorts at the running back position. The Browns traded former first-round pick Trent Richardson to the Indianapolis Colts last year, opening the door not only for more competition at the position, but more salary investment, as well. The Raiders' top two rushers from last season, Rashad Jennings and Darren McFadden, are set to become free agents. The Ravens ranked No. 30 in the NFL in rushing last year, and leading rusher Ray Rice followed his least productive season in five years with an embarrassing arrest.
It's unclear whether those three clubs were in attendance at Alabama State on Tuesday. But according to montgomeryadvertiser.com, Crowell's childhood favorite Atlanta Falcons would be the team he'd like to play for most.
Crowell, who was the 2011 SEC Freshman of the Year before being dismissed from Georgia on a firearms charge, wanted nothing more Tuesday than to show NFL scouts that he could run the 40-yard dash better than his disappointing 4.57-second combine clocking last month. Instead, his encore performance will have to wait.
"I had a good time (at the combine), I just felt like I could have done better," Crowell said. "If it wasn't raining, I probably would have clocked a 4.3. But it was raining, so I didn't think it would do me any good to do it."
A 4.3 is an awfully bold prediction just two weeks after a 4.57. That would be an improvement of more than a quarter of a second. Consider that the pro day 40 run by Buffalo linebacker Khalil Mack Tuesday, 4.55, created a buzz just in improving 0.10 seconds from his 4.65 combine clocking.
If his rescheduled 40-yard dash comes close to a 4.3, you can bet more than just three teams will be ringing his agent's phone.
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Thanks for the article. Glad to see we have talked to him.
His 40 time doesn't worry me. I saw him run. He is very explosive and has a burst.
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If I had to choose I would rather draft the running back high and the ILB lower. If you have to go to free agency for one or the other I'd prefer a free agent ILB (maybe even two of them).
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As a Georgia guy... Crowell was so overrated while he was there.. dude is Lee Suggs 2.0.
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This metrics analysis supports my arguments why I'd avoid Sankey. He just offers little after contact and thus between the tackles. He's not a 3 down RB imho http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46396/349/peshek-rb-metrics-10
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