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What about 6 5' guys who know how to slide?
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I don't want our QB running. Too much riding on that. Look what happened to Hoyer when he scrambled and tried to get extra yards.
It was a scramble, not a designed run... and he hurt himself because he slid incorrectly and then had a defender land on him awkwardly.... not because he was trying to get extra yards. It could have happened to anybody.
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Hey, we've seen that article before.. It's the one I referred to as the only article not crediting the Tweet that started this.
As I also said, I believe it to be true So I'm not sure why posting an article already posted above needs done.
I hadn't read the reply that some other poster replied with the link at the time that I posted my own. I was lazy and didn't go back and delete it.
*shrug* Besides, it might have had to get 'banged' into your head. 
Why is it when I bring up a perfectly legitimate issue that doesn't follow with the majority around here, that I need to have things banged into my head?
I don't want to belabor this but look at the title of this thread, then tell me if it's accurate?
If you say it's accurate, show me something that says the deal is done.. Not reported to be done, not supposed to be done, not likely to be done, but done. You find that and I'll shut up.
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I guess they are good looking guys but I don't think that's a requirement to being a good QB... 
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Your points are valid and mine are just my opinion. Okay.  Just remind me of the Redskins" record the last two years and your opinion on their difference. I think that RG III should have been coached instead of doing the coaching. JMHO
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I don't want our QB running. Too much riding on that. Look what happened to Hoyer when he scrambled and tried to get extra yards.
It was a scramble, not a designed run... and he hurt himself because he slid incorrectly and then had a defender land on him awkwardly.... not because he was trying to get extra yards. It could have happened to anybody.
Yes it could have, which is why I said (paraphrasing myself) "I understand sometimes you need to scramble but why increase the number of opportunities for injury"
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Weren't Mcnabb and Culpepper both injured during runs?
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Everything still in place for the Browns to hire Kyle Shanahan as their OC today. He is back from vacation sides hashing things out now
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Cleveland Browns.com has a video up about Kyle Shanahan. I thought that was odd considering we haven't officially hired him yet.
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Cleveland Browns.com has a video up about Kyle Shanahan. I thought that was odd considering we haven't officially hired him yet.
Mary Kay Cabot is saying in an article that he's in town today.. Perhaps he's signed his contract and will be officially announced shortly...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_flyout_sports
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Kyle Shanahan in Cleveland, set to sign Monday to become Browns offensive coordinator | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._special-reportCLEVELAND -- Former Redskins coordinator Kyle Shanahan is in town to sign his contract to become the Browns coordinator, and it could be finalized by this afternoon, a league source told cleveland.com. Cleveland.com first reported over the weekend that Shanahan and the Browns were on their way to closing a deal. Shanahan was schedule to fly into Cleveland on Monday morning, and negotiations were set to begin this afternoon, the source said, adding that talks are expected to go smoothly. Shanahan, 34, has been an NFL assistant for 10 seasons, including six as a coordinator -- the past four in Washington and two before that in Houston. In four of his six seasons in charge, Shanahan's offenses finished in the top 10. Shanahan and his father, Mike, the former head coach of the Redskins, were fired after Washington tumbled to a 3-13 season and second-year quarterback Robert Griffin III struggled while coming off surgery to repair a torn ACL and torn LCL. Griffin publicly clashed with the Shanahans, especially after Mike said at the NFL owners' meetings in March that Griffin III needs to learn to slide to avoid injury. But Shanahan supporters have said that he got a bad rap for the Griffin situation and that he was responsible for the rookie quarterback's sensational 2012 season. In Cleveland, Shanahan takes over an offense that finished 18th overall, including 11th in passing and tied for 27th in rushing. The Browns also finished 27th in points per game with an average of 19.3. Shanahan, who's spent 10 seasons in the NFL, helped create what his dad dubbed the "East Coast Offense” in 2012 that led Washington to its first NFC East championship in 13 years. Incorporating the pistol formation, Shanahan's offense became the first in NFL history to pass for 3,400 yards and rush for 2,700 yards in the same season. Before joining his dad in Washington,Shanahan spent four seasons in Houston, the final two as coordinator (2008-09). Under his guidance, the 2009 Texans led the NFL in passing yards (4,654) and ranked fourth in total offense (6,129 yards), both franchise records. They also set a team mark with 29 touchdown passes. Quarterback Matt Schaub and wide receiver Andre Johnson formed one of the league’s most dangerous tandems, with Schaub leading the NFL in passing yards (4,776) and Johnson ranking first in receiving yards(1,569) and third in receptions (101). Both Schaub and Johnson were Pro Bowl selections. Shanahan, who played receiver at Texas, served as offensive quality control coach for the Bucs under Jon Gruden in 2004 and 2005, helping receiver Michael Clayton establish franchise rookie records for receptions and receiving touchdowns. He also helped receiver Joey Galloway finish seventh in the NFL in receiving yardage in 2005.
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Man, Teddy would be great in this offense. He is so freaking football smart. He would be a perfect fit. Manziel should excel, as well.
Are you at all concerned about Bridgewater's size? He's listed as 6'3 195 but I've read he's probably somewhat lighter than that....
For a change we agree on something. I'm good with this hire. And I don't think we should go after Ben Tate(though if they did sign him I wouldn't be ticked or anything). Draft a RB or two(not like we have much on the roster now) and go from there.... I seriously doubt Tate would sign here anyway, unless we offer him double what a good team does.
Nah, I am not too concerned w/Teddy's size. He has taken big shots and he always bounces back up. I prefer brains, accuracy, and mobility to a guys height and weight.
I don't know if Shanny will be a good OC here in Cleveland, but he has had some success and his teams do run the ball. I think it worked out well for us.
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It's hard to even read the board anymore. So much turns to gossip rather than football. I'm guilty of it as well. At least my gossip makes sense.
I've been wondering when you would come back around. I have missed your logical posts. Now, we need Clem to come back around.
Bro, read the article that Kwhip posted and the responses bugs and I posted to that particular article. That will be a start and then maybe we can start analyzing this further. Things are starting to calm down a bit and hopefully we can get back to having some intelligent debates and conversations.
This staff has some real potential but as of right now, it is a big question mark. We can discuss how guys fit into the new systems and that will be fun, but we'll need to see it translate into success on the field.
Heck, I was very, very high on our two coordinators last year. I thought it was a dream come true when we hired Horton and Norv. We won four games and looked pathetic at the end of the year. So who knows? I am not saying this is a good staff, but I do have some hope that they have the ability to be a good staff.
Pettine has a huge job ahead of him. He absolutely must change the culture. The players deserve most of the blame for last year's epic failure. They quit. They got too high and too low. They didn't have the resolve to overcome adversity.
Our new staff is going to have to change that culture. It's going to be tough because some of the biggest offenders [in my opinion] are guys who are star players and a couple of them made the Pro Bowl. I hope it doesn't get ugly, but it might. And man, I cringe to think what some of our posters will be saying if we either cut, trade, or allow them to leave via free agency in an effort to improve the culture.
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I'm sorry to disagree with everyone here. but Washington's offense under Shanahan Sucked!!!
Will you please expound upon that statement? Perhaps you can provide some statistical proof as to how they were bottom dwellers in offensive stats? I would love for you to educate me in regards to exactly how they sucked.
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Hey, we've seen that article before.. It's the one I referred to as the only article not crediting the Tweet that started this.
As I also said, I believe it to be true So I'm not sure why posting an article already posted above needs done.
I hadn't read the reply that some other poster replied with the link at the time that I posted my own. I was lazy and didn't go back and delete it.
*shrug* Besides, it might have had to get 'banged' into your head.
Why is it when I bring up a perfectly legitimate issue that doesn't follow with the majority around here, that I need to have things banged into my head?
I don't want to belabor this but look at the title of this thread, then tell me if it's accurate?
If you say it's accurate, show me something that says the deal is done.. Not reported to be done, not supposed to be done, not likely to be done, but done. You find that and I'll shut up.
I didn't start the thread.
I hope you noticed the at the end of the 'banged it into your head' comment. It was a joking jab at you, not meant to be serious.
Sheesh, have a scotch and mellow out. I think mine is gone but I do have some nice Canadian Club whiskey from 1962 in the cabinet and I still have that Erin's Antinque Irish Whiskey that I haven't found anything about yet. But that ain't getting opened until I do know.
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And for those of you who crave a real article based on a tip from the never wrong "league source": Quote:
CLEVELAND, Ohio --One of Kyle Shanahan's former quarterbacks views Shanahan's new job as the Browns offensive coordinator as a chance to step out of the shadows of his Super Bowl-winning father, Mike, and former Texans head coach Gary Kubiak.
"Kyle's learned from some of the really good offensive minds the last 10 years in the NFL, but this is going to be his first opportunity to truly make the offense his own,'' said former Texans quarterback Sage Rosenfels, who spent three years there with Shananan. "He's always had almost a father figure whether it be his dad or Gary Kubiak sort of looking over his shoulder and I think this is a great opportunity for him to truly let the entire offense be his.''
The Browns hired Shanahan, 34, to be their offensive coordinator under Mike Pettine on Monday, cleveland.com confirmed through a league source.
Shanahan interviewed with the Browns last week, before heading out of town on a vacation with his family. Both sides felt right away it was a fit, a league source said. Shanahan flew into Cleveland on Monday to wrap up the deal, which is for three years, according to a source.
Shanahan brings 10 years experience as an NFL assistant, including six years as an offensive coordinator -- the past four in Washington and two before that in Houston. In four of his six seasons in charge, Shanahan's offenses finished in the top 10.
Shanahan and his father, Mike, the former head coach of the Raiders, Broncos and Redskins, were fired after Washington tumbled to a 3-13 season. Second-year quarterback Robert Griffin III struggled while coming off surgery to repair a torn ACL and torn LCL.
Griffin publicly clashed with the Shanahans, especially after Mike said at the NFL owners' meetings in March that Griffin needs to learn to slide to avoid injury.
"They always say there's three sides to every divorce, his side, her side and the real story,'' said Rosenfels, who went 6-4 with Shanahan as his quarterbacks coach and then offensive coordinator in Houston. "I think that was a very complex situation in Washington obviously with RG3 having some success as a rookie -- I think because of what Kyle and Mike Shanahan were doing with him. But there was a lot of politicking and blame that went on in Washington, whether it was RG3 or the owner (Dan Snyder) or whoever. I just think it was a bad situation for Kyle.''
In Cleveland, Shanahan takes over an offense that finished 18th overall, including 11th in passing and tied for 27th in rushing. The Browns also finished 27th in points per game with an average of 19.3. He'll also lead an offense that features four Pro Bowl players in receiver Josh Gordon, tight end Jordan Cameron, left tackle Joe Thomas, and center Alex Mack, if the Browns re-sign him.
"I think Kyle will be a great fit there,'' said Rosenfels. "I'm sure they're looking for a quarterback and they've got a great X-receiver, a star receiver, and what Kyle did with Andre Johnson in Houston, despite the fact he was a star receiver and drew double-teams, he found ways to get Andre the ball and make explosive plays. I think that will be a huge help for the Cleveland Browns.''
Shanahan, who learned a run-heavy West Coast offense under his dad, helped create what his Mike dubbed the "East Coast Offense” in 2012 that led Washington to its first NFC East championship in 13 years. Incorporating the pistol formation, Shanahan's offense became the first in NFL history to pass for 3,400 yards and rush for 2,700 yards in the same season.
"Kyle understands the strengths and weaknesses of every quarterback that he coaches, and what I always liked about Kyle is that he made fairly precise rules for the quarterbacks he was coaching, so you knew exactly what to do on every play,'' said Rosenfels. "There wasn't a lot of gray area, and I thought that especially for a young guy, that allows you to go through rules and progressions and you usually come to an open receiver as long you trust in the system.''
Rosenfels said that even through Kubiak was heavily involved in gameplanning when Shanahan was coordinator under him in Houston, Shanahan had a huge amount of input and called plays.
"He's got a very creative mind,'' said Rosenfels. "Players really understand where he's coming from. He did play the game in college (as a receiver at Texas), and he's been around the game his whole life. I think he really relates well to the players and the way they are today. He's not a coach that's 65 or 70 that sort of loses touch with the way these young guys are now. He can really understand who these guys are, the type of music they listen to, what their interests are and I think he relates well to the young players.''
Shanahan also clashed with 11-time Pro Bowler Donovan McNabb in Washington, but McNabb told cleveland.com at the Super Bowl that he feels Shanahan deserves another chance to run an offense. He stressed that "he needs to learn to adapt his scheme to the quarterback and not the other way around.''
Shanahan will most likely have a rookie quarterback such as a Johnny Manziel, Blake Bortles or Teddy Bridgewater under his direction next season.
"I think he'll be great for a young quarterback like that, the same way he was for RG3,'' said Rosenfels.
Before joining his dad in Washington, Shanahan spent four seasons in Houston, the final two as coordinator (2008-09). Under his guidance, the 2009 Texans led the NFL in passing yards (4,654) and ranked fourth in total offense (6,129 yards), both franchise records.
They also set a team mark with 29 touchdown passes. Quarterback Matt Schaub and wide receiver Andre Johnson formed one of the league’s most dangerous tandems, with Schaub leading the NFL in passing yards (4,776) and Johnson ranking first in receiving yards (1,569) and third in receptions (101). Both Schaub and Johnson were Pro Bowl selections.
Shanahan served as offensive quality control coach for the Bucs under Jon Gruden in 2004 and 2005, helping receiver Michael Clayton establish franchise rookie records for receptions and receiving touchdowns. He also helped receiver Joey Galloway finish seventh in the NFL in receiving yard-age in 2005.
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Anyone else getting the feeling that RGIII is a real diva?
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Anyone else getting the feeling that RGIII is a real diva?
I am guessing that there were problems on both sides that were dealt with the wrong way and brought to the forefront because of the all the losing. If the Redskins were 9-7 instead of 3-13 the Shanahans probably still have a job.
It will probably be good for Kyle Shanahan to get out from under the thumb of his dad and Kubiak.
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Anyone else getting the feeling that RGIII is a real diva?
Call me crazy, but I think he's "been" one...
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BEREA, Ohio – Cleveland Browns Head Coach Mike Pettine added to his initial coaching staff on Monday by naming Kyle Shanahan as offensive coordinator.
Shanahan comes to the Browns with a solid six years of experience as an NFL offensive coordinator, including the last four with the Washington Redskins.
Last season, Shanahan helped the Redskins offense finish ninth in the NFL in total yards per game (369.7) and fifth in rushing (135.3). WR Pierre Garcon set a franchise record and led the NFL with 113 receptions. Garcon also finished eighth in the league with 1,346 receiving yards.
Shanahan’s offense saw RB Alfred Morris, a sixth-round pick in 2012, rush for more than 1,200 yards in each of his first two NFL seasons. In 2012, he rushed for a franchise-record 1,613 yards, which ranked second in the NFL that year and third-most ever by a rookie. Morris’ 2,888 combined rushing yards from 2012-13 are the second-most in the NFL during that span behind Adrian Peterson (3,363).
In 2012, the Redskins captured the NFC East title and became the first team in NFL history to pass for 3,400 yards and rush for 2,700 yards in the same season. Despite starting rookies at both the quarterback and running back positions for all 16 games, Washington led the NFL in yards per play (6.17) and led the league in rushing yards for the first time since 1933.
Shanahan helped quarterback Robert Griffin III set NFL rookie records in passer rating (102.4), lowest percentage of passes had intercepted (1.27) and rushing yards by a rookie quarterback (815) en route to his 2012 Associated Press Offensive Rookie of the Year recognition.
In his first season with the Redskins in 2010, Shanahan’s offense set a franchise record in completions (349), and registered the team’s third-highest passing yards. In addition, the team recorded a touchdown pass in 15 consecutive games for the first time in club history, and led the NFL with nine completions of at least 50 yards.
Prior to Washington, Shanahan spent four seasons (2006-09) with the Houston Texans, the final two as offensive coordinator.
With Shanahan calling the plays, WR Andre Johnson led the NFL in receiving yards in both 2008 (1,575) and 2009 (1,569). Johnson also led the league in receptions in 2008 (115). During Shanahan’s two seasons as offensive coordinator (2008-09), Johnson led the NFL in receiving yards (3,144) and ranked second in receptions (216).
Under Shanahan’s direction, the 2009 Texans led the NFL in passing yards (4,654) and ranked fourth in total offense (6,129), both of which set franchise records. The Texans also set a franchise record with 29 touchdown passes. QB Matt Schaub that year led the NFL in completions (396), attempts (583) and passing yards (4,776).
Houston was also"equally adept at running the ball as the team totaled 1,846 rushing yards in 2008 with a team-record 4.3 yards per carry. In addition, RB Steve Slaton led all NFL rookies with a then-franchise record 1,282 rushing yards.
Shanahan coached the Texans quarterbacks in 2007 and wide receivers in 2006. With Shanahan as his position coach, Johnson in ’06 led the NFL with 103 receptions and recorded 1,147 receiving yards.
Before joining the Texans, Shanahan served as offensive quality control coach with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 2004-05. In his first season with the Buccaneers, WR Michael Clayton established franchise rookie records in receptions (80) and receiving touchdowns (seven). In 2005, WR Joey Galloway finished seventh in the NFL in receiving yards (1,287).
Shanahan got his start in coaching as a graduate assistant at UCLA in 2003.
He played wide receiver at Duke before transferring in 2000 to Texas, where he spent two seasons at wide receiver. As a senior, he played in 12 games and averaged 8.9 yards per reception.
Shanahan was born in Minneapolis, Minn., and attended Cherry Creek High School in Greenwood Village, Colo.
Shanahan joins Jim O’Neil (defense) and Chris Tabor (special teams) as the Browns’ coordinators. Pettine previously named Brian Angelichio (tight ends), Bobby Babich (assistant secondary), Chuck Driesbach (linebackers), Brian Fleury (assistant linebackers), Jeff Hafley (secondary) and Shawn Mennenga (assistant special teams) as assistant coaches.
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QB would be key for Shanahan in Cleveland
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The Cleveland Browns are rumored to be very interested in hiring Kyle Shanahan to be their new offensive coordinator. This would be a very good opportunity for Shanahan to get out of the shadow of his father as well as presumably develop a young, talented quarterback, which is a great path to take for a potential head coaching job in the future.
But let's discuss the scheme that Shanahan would be employing and how Cleveland's current personnel fits what Shanahan wants to do, as well as what the Browns would have to address on this side of the ball.
In the Shanahans' offense, everything starts with their zone-running scheme. As most know, this running game needs offensive linemen with great movement skills, and they can compromise size and to some degree, power, for agility, quickness and great body control.
This offense calls for a lot of designed quarterback movement as well as an extensive play-action package. Obviously Robert Griffin is an extreme athlete and with him the Redskins can do a great deal of read-option, but this offense has been successful with lesser, but somewhat underrated athletes, such as Matt Schaub and Jay Cutler. Being able to move is a must for quarterbacks in this scheme. Considering his familiarity, maybe Shanahan would have interest in trading for Kirk Cousins to be his starter in Cleveland, but the most likely scenario is the Browns drafting a quarterback such as Teddy Bridgewater, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel or Derek Carr for Shanahan to develop. Brian Hoyer will be an excellent backup, but most likely, the Browns' starting quarterback is not currently on their roster.
On the offensive line, Joe Thomas -- an elite pass protector -- really fits any scheme. He is on pace for a potential Hall of Fame career, and most importantly should be able to secure the blind side of the Browns' new quarterback, which of course should make the new signal-caller's transition easier. At right tackle, Mitchell Schwartz isn't incredibly light on his feet, but that is not a weakness of his, either. He has entrenched himself as a quality starter, and the Browns have no reason to make a change at this position.
The interior for Cleveland is a different story. In the middle, Alex Mack is a free agent and will cost quite a bit to retain. But I think it is a move that Cleveland should make. While he isn't the most physical guy or a true mauler in the middle, Mack does move very well and having an established high-end anchor in the middle of this line to team with the pair of tackles should allow Shanahan and the new quarterback to succeed at a more rapid rate early in their development. Guard was a need when the season ended and would be exacerbated with the implementation of Shanahan's offense. John Greco is a quality starting guard overall, but is a questionable scheme fit, while Shawn Lauvao -- another free agent-to-be -- does not fit this scheme well at all. Letting Lauvao walk seems like an easy decision for Cleveland if Shanahan is indeed hired. Jason Pinkston is also in the mix and is a bit of a wild card considering his injury history. If the Browns keep Mack, adding a starting caliber guard in free agency or high in the draft would be wise. If Mack leaves, the interior of this unit will need plenty of work.
While the Shanahans have an outstanding history of turning mid-round draft picks into very productive NFL running backs, Cleveland, which might have the worst stable of backs in the league, definitely needs to address this position. Even before Shanahan was in the mix, the Browns were rumored to be interested in Ben Tate, who is an ideal fit. Edwin Baker also was impressive to finish the season and Dion Lewis will be returning from injury. That duo would provide quality depth, as Willis McGahee, a free agent, won't be brought back.
In terms of the receiving options, the Browns' cupboard isn't as bare as many would think. First off, this offense stresses getting the ball to a difference maker at the X receiver position, where guys like Brandon Marshall, Andre Johnson and Pierre Garcon have thrived and posted huge numbers as the team's top option. Josh Gordon is perfect for this role. The No. 2 wide receiver isn't a featured player in this offense. Shanahan demands his wide receivers to be good run blockers. Remember, everything stems from the running game in this offense. The blocking aspect and a new coach could favor Greg Little, who has the stature and after-the-catch skills required, but continues to be very inconsistent catching the football. While Little could rebound strong in this environment -- and with some stability at quarterback -- the Browns still need to bring in at least one more quality option at this position.
Of course much hinges on the development of the Browns' new young quarterback, but overall, there is a lot for Shanahan to work with here if he does in fact get the job. Not to mention, Cleveland has a lot of cap space and draft picks to fill these needs. This could be a much improved offense in 2014.
Not sure that I agree with what he says about Schwartz but the rest of this article is pretty spot on imo. We have Chris Faulk, who I wonder if he will be able to step in when healthy
I would try to resign Mack, look for a guard in FA as well as draft one.
I would replace Little. He may be the type of blocker Shanny looks for in a receiver but he has hands of stone.
I think bringing Cousins here would be a mistake. We need to draft a QB and have Shanny work with him and Hoyer.
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I think your reasoning is sound.
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On paper the FO seems to have recovered adequately from their questionable decision to fire Chud and release last year's coordinators. Shanahan did some nice things with the Washington football team, (yeah I'm go'n full PC there), that had some obvious holes this past season. I'm disinterested in the drama that involved the Shanahan's and RGIII. I'm hopeful that whatever nuggets of wisdom that could be garnered from that scene have been internalized by Kyle. I think he's a very bright offensive mind. I want him to fully come into his own in Cleveland.
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Hey, we've seen that article before.. It's the one I referred to as the only article not crediting the Tweet that started this.
As I also said, I believe it to be true So I'm not sure why posting an article already posted above needs done.
I hadn't read the reply that some other poster replied with the link at the time that I posted my own. I was lazy and didn't go back and delete it.
*shrug* Besides, it might have had to get 'banged' into your head.
Why is it when I bring up a perfectly legitimate issue that doesn't follow with the majority around here, that I need to have things banged into my head?
I don't want to belabor this but look at the title of this thread, then tell me if it's accurate?
If you say it's accurate, show me something that says the deal is done.. Not reported to be done, not supposed to be done, not likely to be done, but done. You find that and I'll shut up.
I didn't start the thread.
I hope you noticed the at the end of the 'banged it into your head' comment. It was a joking jab at you, not meant to be serious.
Sheesh, have a scotch and mellow out. I think mine is gone but I do have some nice Canadian Club whiskey from 1962 in the cabinet and I still have that Erin's Antinque Irish Whiskey that I haven't found anything about yet. But that ain't getting opened until I do know.
I noticed the graemlin,, I just have been beaten on in this thread for not liking the Twitter thing. so yeah, perhaps I was a little sensitive about it.. Drinking rum as I type this.., I'll be fine in an hour or so LOL
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BEREA, Ohio – Cleveland Browns Head Coach Mike Pettine added to his initial coaching staff on Monday by naming Kyle Shanahan as offensive coordinator.
Shanahan comes to the Browns with a solid six years of experience as an NFL offensive coordinator, including the last four with the Washington Redskins.
Last season, Shanahan helped the Redskins offense finish ninth in the NFL in total yards per game (369.7) and fifth in rushing (135.3). WR Pierre Garcon set a franchise record and led the NFL with 113 receptions. Garcon also finished eighth in the league with 1,346 receiving yards.
Shanahan’s offense saw RB Alfred Morris, a sixth-round pick in 2012, rush for more than 1,200 yards in each of his first two NFL seasons. In 2012, he rushed for a franchise-record 1,613 yards, which ranked second in the NFL that year and third-most ever by a rookie. Morris’ 2,888 combined rushing yards from 2012-13 are the second-most in the NFL during that span behind Adrian Peterson (3,363).
In 2012, the Redskins captured the NFC East title and became the first team in NFL history to pass for 3,400 yards and rush for 2,700 yards in the same season. Despite starting rookies at both the quarterback and running back positions for all 16 games, Washington led the NFL in yards per play (6.17) and led the league in rushing yards for the first time since 1933.
Shanahan helped quarterback Robert Griffin III set NFL rookie records in passer rating (102.4), lowest percentage of passes had intercepted (1.27) and rushing yards by a rookie quarterback (815) en route to his 2012 Associated Press Offensive Rookie of the Year recognition.
In his first season with the Redskins in 2010, Shanahan’s offense set a franchise record in completions (349), and registered the team’s third-highest passing yards. In addition, the team recorded a touchdown pass in 15 consecutive games for the first time in club history, and led the NFL with nine completions of at least 50 yards.
Prior to Washington, Shanahan spent four seasons (2006-09) with the Houston Texans, the final two as offensive coordinator.
With Shanahan calling the plays, WR Andre Johnson led the NFL in receiving yards in both 2008 (1,575) and 2009 (1,569). Johnson also led the league in receptions in 2008 (115). During Shanahan’s two seasons as offensive coordinator (2008-09), Johnson led the NFL in receiving yards (3,144) and ranked second in receptions (216).
Under Shanahan’s direction, the 2009 Texans led the NFL in passing yards (4,654) and ranked fourth in total offense (6,129), both of which set franchise records. The Texans also set a franchise record with 29 touchdown passes. QB Matt Schaub that year led the NFL in completions (396), attempts (583) and passing yards (4,776).
Houston was also equally adept at running the ball as the team totaled 1,846 rushing yards in 2008 with a team-record 4.3 yards per carry. In addition, RB Steve Slaton led all NFL rookies with a then-franchise record 1,282 rushing yards.
Shanahan coached the Texans quarterbacks in 2007 and wide receivers in 2006. With Shanahan as his position coach, Johnson in ’06 led the NFL with 103 receptions and recorded 1,147 receiving yards.
Before joining the Texans, Shanahan served as offensive quality control coach with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 2004-05. In his first season with the Buccaneers, WR Michael Clayton established franchise rookie records in receptions (80) and receiving touchdowns (seven). In 2005, WR Joey Galloway finished seventh in the NFL in receiving yards (1,287).
Shanahan got his start in coaching as a graduate assistant at UCLA in 2003.
He played wide receiver at Duke before transferring in 2000 to Texas, where he spent two seasons at wide receiver. As a senior, he played in 12 games and averaged 8.9 yards per reception.
Shanahan was born in Minneapolis, Minn., and attended Cherry Creek High School in Greenwood Village, Colo.
Shanahan joins Jim O’Neil (defense) and Chris Tabor (special teams) as the Browns’ coordinators. Pettine previously named Brian Angelichio (tight ends), Bobby Babich (assistant secondary), Chuck Driesbach (linebackers), Brian Fleury (assistant linebackers), Jeff Hafley (secondary) and Shawn Mennenga (assistant special teams) as assistant coaches.
Cleveland Browns.com
Damanshot can wait till his stone tablets are done to confirm the news.
All because I want facts not fiction.. wow.. and to PM me and ask that I don't respond to your posts anymore? Can't take the heat, get the hell out of the freakin kitchen.
I always liked you man.. always thought you were a good poster But you and I will never see eye to eye on twitter. I just don't think it belongs..
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You are hijacking yet another thread. We know you don't like Twitter. You have clearly established your point of view. I respect your opinion, but it's time to drop it. We can all make our own choices. No one is asking you to like Twitter.
Let's talk about the hiring of Shanahan and drop the Twitter nonsense.
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Ok. I really feel Shanny light is coming in here with a chip on his shoulder. Took alot of flak for Redskins poor performance.
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not his fault RG3 has skinner knees than my 5 year old daughter.
my thing is this. i'll say it again: shanahan tailored that offense to fit the players he had. while it's a bit more common, taking a rookie QB, rookie RB, and a new WR with a whole new system to the playoffs is epic. thats crazy good. that means every game he is putting his players in the absolute best position to win.
i expect nothing less here, and i have a feeling he is gonna deliver, especially with a defensive minded HC most likely giving him way more breathing room than Kyle's dad did.
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Do you even know what "fiction" means? Maybe tweets by some trolls or no-name wannabes would fit the definition, but those of established reporters or news sites most definitely wouldn't. Just follow Schefter and Glazer for a few days. You'd be shocked at how quickly you get reliable and inside information as it comes out. Just as with any other news source, you'll find your favorites and those you trust more than others. The only difference is the speed at which you get the info. It's no less reliable, and definitely not fiction. What you will find are the sources for many of the articles that you deem "acceptable".
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I noticed the graemlin,, I just have been beaten on in this thread for not liking the Twitter thing.
I don't mind the twitter thing (although, I don't have a twitter account). It is a medium that gets used to put out both good and bad information. It has to be picked through for something valid, but when it's a journalistic or 'insider' source, it should be allowed. I wouldn't suggest using the twitter account of some Browns fan or anything.
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so yeah, perhaps I was a little sensitive about it.. Drinking rum as I type this.., I'll be fine in an hour or so LOL
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You are hijacking yet another thread. We know you don't like Twitter. You have clearly established your point of view. I respect your opinion, but it's time to drop it. We can all make our own choices. No one is asking you to like Twitter.
Let's talk about the hiring of Shanahan and drop the Twitter nonsense.
I don't really think it was hijacked. Also, I was the one that brought up the booze. Booze is a good topic for Browns fans. We should be experts.
As for the Shanahan hiring, I don't mind it one bit. I'm not fretting Dan Quinn not getting hired. I really like Pettine and the attitude that he brings. It seems that he's brought in some smart and young coaching talent. The Browns have often had some antiquated coaching going on here over the past few seasons.
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It will probably be good for Kyle Shanahan to get out from under the thumb of his dad and Kubiak.
Just hoping Kyle can show up Kubiak when we play those Birds...
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As for the Shanahan hiring, I don't mind it one bit. I'm not fretting Dan Quinn not getting hired. I really like Pettine and the attitude that he brings. It seems that he's brought in some smart and young coaching talent. The Browns have often had some antiquated coaching going on here over the past few seasons.
I agree. I'm not sure why I like both Pettine and Shanahan. Maybe I simply want to believe after these many years they got it right. Then the whole Charlie Brown kicking the football with Lucy comes to mind! Sigh!
Does anyone know if Browns hired a Running Back and Wide Receiver coaches? I thought Wilbert Montgomery was on the list to be interviewed, but I have not heard anything more.
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Anyone else getting the feeling that RGIII is a real diva?
Oh hell yes. BIG time diva. What killed the Skins was the trade for RG3. He's talented of course, but the picks they gave up left them very little recourse for improving the rest of the team. That D was terrible last year. Then he throws the staff under the bus with his whinging to the press? Andrew Luck was the class of that draft.
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To the poster that said RG3 got hurt recovering a fumble...he got hurt running the ball the previous week. While playing injured, he then blew the knee bending down to recover a fumble. Mike Vick, Randal Cunningham, RG3 etc. etc. Injuries do happen when your QB is playing RB. That doesn't mean it's not effective and shouldn't be considered. But during that consideration you BETTER factor in injuries. They will happen eventually. Having a quality backup is a necessity.
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Anyone else getting the feeling that RGIII is a real diva?
No doubt about it. Let's see how long Gruden and Kubiak last.
I know you like Mack, but I simply don't see us paying any Center top of league dollars. So let's assume he walks.
I would not touch Schwartz at RT. He's going into year 3. This is his year to prove worthy.
I really believe Greco is going to be moved over to Center. That's not a crazy idea when considering his familiarity with the rest of the OL. So that basically leaves us in limbo on the Interior, specifically both Guard spots.
We just don't have any idea on Faulk and Gilkey because they just haven't taken many snaps.
I guess we just need to weed these guys out to find most likely the LG between those 2 and Pinkston. Lavoa is gone via FA. Cannot believe we re-up him. So a RG is the priority here.
This RG can be found in the draft. First 3 rounds there's some good ones coming out. Of course, our lack of a damn QB is going to hinder that based on if we need to make a move up to 2 for Bridgewater or Manziel, and exactly what we need to package to do so.
We need to use our 2015 First Rounder as ammo and seal the deal. Regardless of what all the naysayers think about NOT moving up to secure our Franchise player. It needs to be done. We will go nowhere until the QB is in place, and I don't want to hear about Hoyer.
Little is fascinating in Shannahan's offensive scheme. Blocking WR? Dude's a very willing blocker in the open field. Will be interesting to see if he sticks with us now having seen what we've got for an entire year. I'm intrigued to see Little in the slot and bring in a better #2 option from the draft.
I was on the Tate at RB bandwagon, but have majorly cooled on him due to cost and injury history. Again, utilize one of our 2 third rounders on a Back.
We have alot of top quality draft picks. Seven in the first 4 rounds. That's some real good quality if we can make them count. Even if we need to move to #2 and it costs us both first's and our 2015 first, so be it because the move will be made to secure the most important position on the field. Get the QB and everything else falls into place. Man it would be sweet if we can utilize getting rid of a RB to help secure a QB worth a damn.
Coupled with our huge Cap amount, we can make some moves to improve this team immediately.
We need to be aggressive because it doesn't appear Mr. Haslam is a very patient man. LOL. Make some solid moves, get this QB thing settled and don't forget a CB, ILB and Safety along the way and we're going to be right there with Cincy soon.
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I noticed the graemlin,, I just have been beaten on in this thread for not liking the Twitter thing.
I don't mind the twitter thing (although, I don't have a twitter account). It is a medium that gets used to put out both good and bad information. It has to be picked through for something valid, but when it's a journalistic or 'insider' source, it should be allowed. I wouldn't suggest using the twitter account of some Browns fan or anything.
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so yeah, perhaps I was a little sensitive about it.. Drinking rum as I type this.., I'll be fine in an hour or so LOL
Rum is a good choice - as long as it's good quality.
Bicardi... nothing wrong with that choice LOL
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