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jc Former NFL QB Sage Rosenfels believes Kyle Shanahan learned from time with Redskins, will succeed as Browns’ offensive coordinator By Nate Ulrich Beacon Journal sports writer February 4, 2014 - 07:31 AM Kyle Shanahan’s reputation absorbed some significant blows last year, and the Baltimore Ravens and Miami Dolphins passed on him this offseason after he interviewed with them for an offensive coordinator job. But former backup quarterback Sage Rosenfels is among those who believe the Browns and new coach Mike Pettine will be rewarded for showing faith in Shanahan. Shanahan will call the offense’s plays this year while Pettine, who was hired Jan. 23, handles those duties for the defense. The hiring of Shanahan had been expected since Saturday, and the Browns officially named him their offensive coordinator Monday night. He’s expected to be introduced during a news conference this week. “They’ll get a guy who I think has done a really, really good job with quarterbacks, with top receivers and also with the running game,” Rosenfels, who played for Shanahan from 2006-08 when they were with the Houston Texans, said Monday during a phone interview with the Beacon Journal. “I think he’s got a great offensive mind.” Shanahan, who reportedly received a three-year deal from the Browns, spent the past four seasons as the offensive coordinator of the Washington Redskins. He and his father, Mike, the Redskins’ former head coach, were fired after they clashed with quarterback Robert Griffin III and the team went 3-13 last season. Griffin struggled to bounce back from torn knee ligaments and reportedly developed trust issues with the Shanahans. Six-time Pro Bowl quarterback Donovan McNabb also has been vocal about his relationship with the Shanahans turning sour in 2010, claiming they tried to force him into their scheme and change his mechanics before benching him. “Washington, I think, has been a great learning experience for Kyle,” said Rosenfels, who had his two best seasons under Shanahan and retired in 2013, finishing his 12-year career with a record of 6-6 as a starter, 30 touchdown passes and 29 interceptions. “He dealt with [McNabb], a veteran at the end of his career, and then he dealt with [Griffin], a rookie at the beginning of his career, both superstar-type guys. I’m sure he learned a lot about himself in those situations. “I had an excellent experience with Kyle. [Texans quarterback] Matt Schaub, I think, would say the same thing. I think there’s a lot of things that go into the Washington, D.C., experience from the owner [Dan Snyder] down to Donovan McNabb having a strong personality, RG3 having a strong personality. There’s a lot that probably nobody knows about in those situations. All I can really speak of is my experience with Kyle, which was, of course, not perfect, as no coach-player relationship is ever perfect. But I thought I always trusted him, what he was saying, what he was doing and he was always very upfront with me about my play and what was good and what was bad.” Career path Shanahan, 34, played wide receiver at the University of Texas before following his father’s footsteps and becoming a coach. He spent the 2003 season as a graduate assistant at UCLA before entering the NFL and serving as an offensive quality control coach for Jon Gruden and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 2004-05. He joined Gary Kubiak’s staff in 2006 as a wide receivers coach for the Texans. He began tutoring Schaub and Rosenfels as the team’s quarterbacks coach in 2007. At age 28, he became the offensive coordinator of the Texans in 2008 and spent two seasons in that role before joining his dad and the Redskins in 2010. In four of the six seasons in which Shanahan has been an offensive coordinator, his offenses have finished in the top 10 in the league in yards per game. He uses a version of the West Coast offense that features a vertical passing attack and a zone-running scheme. “He’s an aggressive play-caller,” Rosenfels said. “He likes taking shots. He likes putting the pressure on the defense. He likes playing the holes in the defensive secondary where you can throw the ball down the field. For being a West Coast guy who likes the three-step drops, he likes going play action and bootleg and all that stuff to set up big plays down the field to guys like [Texans standout wide receiver] Andre Johnson and obviously now to [Browns All-Pro wide receiver] Josh Gordon. “There’s not too many times you see a premier receiver become wide open in the NFL, and you saw that consistently with Andre Johnson [during Shanahan’s] time in Houston. … He knows how to get a premier receiver like Andre Johnson 100-plus catches a year. I think that’s probably one of the main reasons he got hired [by the Browns] is to have that chance to coach up Josh Gordon to have those type of statistics because he’s a premier receiver as well.” In 2012, Shanahan incorporated the pistol formation and read option into his system, and Griffin took the league by storm as a rookie. The Redskins went 10-6 and won the NFC East. Quarterback search The Browns are in the market for a quarterback. They have Brian Hoyer, and there’s speculation about them possibly exploring a trade for Redskins backup Kirk Cousins. Still, they’ll likely target one with the fourth overall pick in May’s draft. Whether they wind up with Louisville’s Teddy Bridgewater, Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel, Central Florida’s Blake Bortles or Fresno State’s Derek Carr, Rosenfels believes Shanahan would guide the prospect to success despite his falling-out with Griffin. “I think he’s perfect [for a young quarterback],” Rosenfels said of Shanahan. “One, he [went to the playoffs] with RG3, who has that superstar aura around him. Secondly, I think that his offense is very conducive for a young guy to have success and learn the game. Some offenses are really complicated and they have the quarterback go up there and coordinate all this stuff at the offensive line and call audibles. Kyle’s system, though it puts up big numbers, is fairly simple for the quarterback. You know exactly what you’re doing. It doesn’t make things too complex. It allows you just to play the game, and that’s what young players do best is just playing and not thinking too much.” Shanahan first interviewed with the Browns on Wednesday. Oakland Raiders quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, the only other candidate known to interview for the Browns’ offensive coordinator job, met with the team the next day.
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well, I don't know if he'll be a good OC or not.. (if we don't find a QB and RB it will be harder) But I sure hope he makes us a winner.
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This will feel like the longest stretch to free agency and then on to the draft ever. Topped off by the draft having been moved to May. 
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Oh yeah, moving the draft back will end up driving us all a little nutty LOL
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[quote Oh yeah, moving the draft back will end up driving us all a little nutty LOL
DRIVE us crazy... how long you been on this board? Most of us are so close to being crazy we dont have to be driven, we can walk. 
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If my wife new how much more excited for the draft I was than for certain other occasions . . . whew . . . ugly.
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DRIVE us crazy... how long you been on this board? Most of us are so close to being crazy we dont have to be driven, we can walk.
And for some it's less than 1 step away. 
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Personally I'm glad that we hied Shanny since it seems he has experience putting together O schemes that work to players strengths (how it ought to be) and working with young and or mobile quarterbacks. Don't know if this is a nudge closer to us drafting Johnny football or not. At least this also seems to mean that we will probably be running a zone blocking scheme and have a commitment to actually running the ball. Last year our running game was absolutely sickening to me. It made me mad when on 3rd and 1/2 we'd keep throwing passes. I kept wondering what the hell we were doing and who was coming up with that nonsense. This also means that we may FINALLY have a real FB coming to the team, not some a player playing FB that is really a RB. That still boggles my mind how we played through the whole darn season without a legitimate FB on the squad. So with us eventually signing a FB and adjusting to the zone blocking scheme, one can hope that we can actually have a solid running game to take the pressure off of whatever QB will be back there. 
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TRich might be available . . . . 
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Even if we need to move to #2 and it costs us both first's and our 2015 first, so be it because the move will be made to secure the most important position on the field
I agree that a QB is our biggest need, but I disagree that Any of the college QBs are worth 3 1st round picks ( that includes Bridgewater (who I like) or Manziel)! That is too high a price to pay.  JMHO Go Brownies!!!!
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DRIVE us crazy... how long you been on this board? Most of us are so close to being crazy we dont have to be driven, we can walk.
Good point..
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I agree. I'm not sure why I like both Pettine and Shanahan. Maybe I simply want to believe after these many years they got it right. Then the whole Charlie Brown kicking the football with Lucy comes to mind! Sigh!
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Bicardi... nothing wrong with that choice LOL
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J/C...
Found this quote... thought it was a pretty good way of thinking...
“ I studied every potential Xs and Os play and issue possible. I spent my whole life working on that. My goal was that any question a player could have about anything on the field, I'd be able to answer it. ”
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Found this quote... thought it was a pretty good way of thinking...
“ I studied every potential Xs and Os play and issue possible. I spent my whole life working on that. My goal was that any question a player could have about anything on the field, I'd be able to answer it. ”
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That kind of came across to me as "I know everything."
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or it sounds like he is saying "I have learned a lot"
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Question is, is his still studying or is he resting?
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Bicardi... nothing wrong with that choice LOL
Bicardi is a good choice. It's not Pyrat, but good enough.
Wooo,, I don't know Pyrat,, I'll look that up.  I'm a rummy,, I love the stuff.. Captain Morgans, Bacardi, Ron Rico... love the 151 Rum,,, you can peel the chrome of the bumper with that stuff.
OK,, I just looked up Pyrat,, Dark Rum.. Not a fav of mine but hey, I'll try it.. thanks for the tip.
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It will probably be good for Kyle Shanahan to get out from under the thumb of his dad and Kubiak.
Just hoping Kyle can show up Kubiak when we play those Birds...
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I'm a rummy,, I love the stuff.. Captain Morgans, Bacardi, Ron Rico... love the 151 Rum
I knew I liked you for a reason.
Became my liquor of choice during my tour in Panama from 78-81. Started on Ron Rico, then Bacardi opened a plant down there... oh, yeah baby... half gallon for five buck at the PX. It became a contest as to who could find the tastiest "special reserve". We found some good ones.
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J/C...
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“ I studied every potential Xs and Os play and issue possible. I spent my whole life working on that. My goal was that any question a player could have about anything on the field, I'd be able to answer it. ”
—Kyle Shanahan
That kind of came across to me as "I know everything."
That comes across to me that he's confident that he knows football well enough that if a player asked a question he'd have an answer, either from personal knowledge or the ability to figure it out quickly.
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You are hijacking yet another thread. We know you don't like Twitter. You have clearly established your point of view. I respect your opinion, but it's time to drop it. We can all make our own choices. No one is asking you to like Twitter.
Let's talk about the hiring of Shanahan and drop the Twitter nonsense.
I don't really think it was hijacked. Also, I was the one that brought up the booze. Booze is a good topic for Browns fans.  We should be experts.
You must have forgotten. Nobody should say anything about what Verse says. Only he has the power to tell others such things.
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Wooo,, I don't know Pyrat,, I'll look that up. I'm a rummy,, I love the stuff.. Captain Morgans, Bacardi, Ron Rico... love the 151 Rum,,, you can peel the chrome of the bumper with that stuff.
OK,, I just looked up Pyrat,, Dark Rum.. Not a fav of mine but hey, I'll try it.. thanks for the tip.
I hope you like it. It'll cost a little more than you're used to with the others, but it shouldn't be so bad that you wouldn't be able to add it to your stock.
I still like Shanahan as an offensive mind.
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I'm a rummy,, I love the stuff.. Captain Morgans, Bacardi, Ron Rico... love the 151 Rum
I knew I liked you for a reason.
Became my liquor of choice during my tour in Panama from 78-81. Started on Ron Rico, then Bacardi opened a plant down there... oh, yeah baby... half gallon for five buck at the PX. It became a contest as to who could find the tastiest "special reserve". We found some good ones.
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You are hijacking yet another thread. We know you don't like Twitter. You have clearly established your point of view. I respect your opinion, but it's time to drop it. We can all make our own choices. No one is asking you to like Twitter.
Let's talk about the hiring of Shanahan and drop the Twitter nonsense.
I don't really think it was hijacked. Also, I was the one that brought up the booze. Booze is a good topic for Browns fans. We should be experts.
You must have forgotten. Nobody should say anything about what Verse says. Only he has the power to tell others such things.
Well, I actually agree with him on a bit of this stuff.
Now, what's your favorite rum?
And I still think that Shanahan will be a good OC.
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Well, I actually agree with him on a bit of this stuff.
Which I really don't have an issue with. I expect differing points of view. That's what this place is supposed to be about. I don't feel some deep seeded need to act like the board police and come after you because we see things differently.
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I don't drink anymore. And never really did drink rum. I was more of a whiskey and beer guy. Mainly beer.
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I think he will probably be the best hire of the entire coaching staff. I don't know whether the issue was actually a problem with Shanny or RG3. So I'm actually going to reserve my opinion on him until I see the dynamics and results.
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Which I really don't have an issue with. I expect differing points of view. That's what this place is supposed to be about. I don't feel some deep seeded need to act like the board police and come after you because we see things differently.
But I might call you out with points that I feel are valid. That's all I usually see Versatile Dawg doing. Sometimes he might overdo some of his points, but they often have a lot of sense behind them.
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I don't drink anymore. And never really did drink rum. I was more of a whiskey and beer guy. Mainly beer.
Well, what good are you then? Away with you!  I like them all - rum, vodka, gin, all kinds of whiskeys, all kinds of beers. The only thing that I'm not very fond of are the wines, in all it's varieties. The only thing wine is good for, in my view, is cooking with it.
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I think he will probably be the best hire of the entire coaching staff. I don't know whether the issue was actually a problem with Shanny or RG3. So I'm actually going to reserve my opinion on him until I see the dynamics and results.
I think that Pettine will probably be the best hire. Shanahan will do a fine job and improve over time, I think.
The Redskins and RG3 thing was a pure debacle from the start and I'm 100% certain that Shanahan and his father had nothing to do with the decision to trade away what they did to acquire him. It was ALL Dan Snyder and it was a disaster.
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That's a good point. I mean, folks are talking about RG3 and Shanny when it comes to the latest 'Skins nightmare, but Snyder wrote the book on Redskin disasters.
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That's a shame...you don't know what you're missing.
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That's a shame...you don't know what you're missing.
Oh, I've had wine before. Never been a big fan of it. I guess that it's just a matter of tastes, I guess.
I like my booze, although, I only drink it occasionally. I've been meaning to get some brews in the basement fridge, but I've just not gotten around to it.
And I still like Kyle Shanahan as the Browns OC. Would he be better if we raised a toast to him?
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I wonder what this portends regarding which QB we target? How will Shanahan's experiences with Robert Griffin III affect his preference going forward with a guy like Manziel (who is RG3 Lite, imo). Negatively, would be my guess.
A QB with good mobility and a good arm.
Sounds like Bortles.
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I knew I liked you for a reason.
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LOL Yeah, I do like rum. But consumption has to be in control. it's pretty easy to get carried away
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—Kyle Shanahan
That kind of came across to me as "I know everything."
That comes across to me that he's confident that he knows football well enough that if a player asked a question he'd have an answer, either from personal knowledge or the ability to figure it out quickly.
I thought it made him sound like a student of the game. Someone that has made themselves as aware of every aspect and is willing to share that knowledge. I saw nothing negative about it.
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Just read the bio's of the coaching staff as of today.
TE coach - weak resume
Assistant DB Coach - weak resume
LB Coach - weak pro resume
Assistant LB Coach - weak resume
Secondary Coach - not much experience
Speciality teams - Chris Tabor retained
Still to be named the line coaches, receivers, running backs.
Not saying Jason La Canfora is the last word but in this article he rips Kyle Shanahan:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jaso...ins-dysfunction
This staff as it now stands has a lot to prove.
I guess the only thing you can say from a positive point of view is you can not get much lower so improvement could be the only direction.
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Well the coaching standard to beat was set last year. This new regime must win more than 4 games and have at least 6 ProBowlers. That's what Chud and company managed. If we can't improve on that then what does it say about the overhaul?
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I guess the only thing you can say from a positive point of view is you can not get much lower so improvement could be the only direction.
When you reach the bottom there's always another direction other than up... sideways. Since '08: 4-12, 5-11, 5-11, 4-12, 5-11.
I for one have very little faith in hat's being built and by whom. I've avoided comment so much because I think I come off as just a rain cloud but I really think this is going to be epic disaster year.
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I guess the only thing you can say from a positive point of view is you can not get much lower so improvement could be the only direction.
When you reach the bottom there's always another direction other than up... sideways. Since '08: 4-12, 5-11, 5-11, 4-12, 5-11.
I for one have very little faith in hat's being built and by whom. I've avoided comment so much because I think I come off as just a rain cloud but I really think this is going to be epic disaster year.
I feel you. I have to bite my tongue and not post many of the things I've felt. At this point hearing anything about this team kinda irks me. All the "we're going to be the toughest team on the field" stuff is so much lip service. I've heard it so many times from so many coaches, FO folk, yada yada yada... I'm tired of hearing it to the extent I feel insulted by it.
I wish they'd just shut up and make it happen.
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I think that most of us are in the "Man, I really, really, really hope this one works" camp.
I do think that having an experienced defensive head coach, along with an experienced offensive coordinator, might be a solid recipe. I generally dislike having the head coach calling plays, but coaches like Bill Belichick (who I do respect for his ability) said that calling defensive plays is much easier as head coach than calling offensive plays.
Man, who knows what's going to happen? You would think that we would have to stumble and bumble our way into a winner once in a great while.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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