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You know, I really don't need to even get into this. Posters have listed many great LB'ers who have played at a similar weight as Mingo.
Mingo plays based on speed, not weight. So have a lot of great speed rushers. I seriously think you need to look into this a little more.
What makes you think that I haven't looked into it? We can just respectfully agree to disagree... nothing wrong with that. Coming up with an individual's ideal playing weight is an inexact science at best.
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Clay Matthews, Terrell Suggs, DeMarcus Ware... that is where I want Mingo to be. If he can't get there, he can't get there but it shouldn't be due to a lack of trying. I'm fully on board with what Pettine and the new staff are trying to do with Mingo.
Mingo will never be in the weight realm of Ware and Suggs... they're in the 260 lb range. Mingo would lose ALL his speed at that weight, which his speed is what makes him unique. Having him play at 260+ would be like taking the firing pin outta an assault rifle...
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You know, I really don't need to even get into this. Posters have listed many great LB'ers who have played at a similar weight as Mingo.
Mingo plays based on speed, not weight. So have a lot of great speed rushers. I seriously think you need to look into this a little more.
What makes you think that I haven't looked into it? We can just respectfully agree to disagree... nothing wrong with that. Coming up with an individual's ideal playing weight is an inexact science at best.
It is. I also think it is unwise to start messing with peoples weights when they are fit. I don't know what the Browns have told him, but if he things cramming pizza is the way to gain weight, he needs some education.
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Clay Matthews, Terrell Suggs, DeMarcus Ware... that is where I want Mingo to be. If he can't get there, he can't get there but it shouldn't be due to a lack of trying. I'm fully on board with what Pettine and the new staff are trying to do with Mingo.
Mingo will never be in the weight realm of Ware and Suggs... they're in the 260 lb range. Mingo would lose ALL his speed at that weight, which his speed is what makes him unique. Having him play at 260+ would be like taking the firing pin outta an assault rifle...
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Maybe he doesn't have the frame to get to that weight and be effective.. that very well may be the case. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Maybe Mingo can get halfway there from where he is. If you list all the good/best 3-4 OLBs and 4-3 DEs in the league today, all of them are shorter and/or heavier than Mingo.
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You know, I really don't need to even get into this. Posters have listed many great LB'ers who have played at a similar weight as Mingo.
Mingo plays based on speed, not weight. So have a lot of great speed rushers. I seriously think you need to look into this a little more.
What makes you think that I haven't looked into it? We can just respectfully agree to disagree... nothing wrong with that. Coming up with an individual's ideal playing weight is an inexact science at best.
It is. I also think it is unwise to start messing with peoples weights when they are fit. I don't know what the Browns have told him, but if he things cramming pizza is the way to gain weight, he needs some education.
It's a good point. It's important to look at the overall context of the diet. If he's just cramming down a bunch of pizza and burgers, that's no good. If he's getting sufficient protein, hydration, fruits and veggies, omega 3 fats, maintaining a small but steady caloric surplus.... then I see no problem including a pizza here or a couple burgers there to help satisfy his very high caloric requirements.
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Shouldn't Mingo have a private chef for something like this? I mean, I understand that maybe getting a pizza here and there is ok, but he needs to take this seriously, not just "get a pizza here and there."
I am beyond sure the staff has put together a diet regime, seeing that he likely eats at the facility there most of the time anyway, to follow... that includes a certain amount of calories in the form of carbs, protein and fat. Example, there is nine calories in a gram of fat, etc.
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I use to be in Mingo's shoes. I use to train, eat virtually everything including a lot of junk food and I was following a diet plan when I was 20 or 21 and training... and I couldn't gain any type of weight in the form of fat. Tried weight gainers shakes and powders, nothing. Tried to stuff myself to the point of virtually almost puking, nothing. Tried to eat lighter meals, but more meals and more often, nothing. Tried it all... my metabolism burned everything I consumed before turning it a fat storage for the body.
Mingo's true way of adding weight will mostly be in the form of raw muscle, which offseason workout program started yesterday so hopefully he's been lifting and etc beforehand and has already added some bulk muscle. I don't think this will effect his speed much either... he was listed at 240lbs, we'll see what he is come regular season...
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HAHA, me too!! and it didn't take long to do it...Started last November and I have only lost 26 of that 40 lbs...much harder to lose it once it is there!!
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Shouldn't Mingo have a private chef for something like this? I mean, I understand that maybe getting a pizza here and there is ok, but he needs to take this seriously, not just "get a pizza here and there."
I am beyond sure the staff has put together a diet regime, seeing that he likely eats at the facility there most of the time anyway, to follow... that includes a certain amount of calories in the form of carbs, protein and fat. Example, there is nine calories in a gram of fat, etc.
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I use to be in Mingo's shoes. I use to train, eat virtually everything including a lot of junk food and I was following a diet plan when I was 20 or 21 and training... and I couldn't gain any type of weight in the form of fat. Tried weight gainers shakes and powders, nothing. Tried to stuff myself to the point of virtually almost puking, nothing. Tried to eat lighter meals, but more meals and more often, nothing. Tried it all... my metabolism burned everything I consumed before turning it a fat storage for the body.
Mingo's true way of adding weight will mostly be in the form of raw muscle, which offseason workout program started yesterday so hopefully he's been lifting and etc beforehand and has already added some bulk muscle. I don't think this will effect his speed much either... he was listed at 240lbs, we'll see what he is come regular season...
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I had all those same problems, then I quit smoking and put on 40 lbs. without any problems. I laugh, but it's true.
HAHA, me too!! and it didn't take long to do it...Started last November and I have only lost 26 of that 40 lbs...much harder to lose it once it is there!!
Me Three... but I was closer to 60... Man I felt like a beached whale.. Then found out I was diabetic and then I HAD to lose weight and watch what I was eating. Proud to say I got that weight off and have so far managed to only put back about 10 LBS..
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You know, I really don't need to even get into this. Posters have listed many great LB'ers who have played at a similar weight as Mingo.
Mingo plays based on speed, not weight. So have a lot of great speed rushers. I seriously think you need to look into this a little more.
Sure, but I didn't want a "speed rusher" at 6 overall who struggles at everything else.
Mingo, so far, has proved every red flag in his pre-draft profiles right. Injury-risk, slight frame, trouble to get bigger, struggling vs run, project in coverage. Everybody saw those problems coming, but those idiots gushing about him and pretending to be NFL FO people. They even proudly declined a trade down, because they "valued" Mingo over the offer.
I mean, what's the difference between him and Armonty Bryant? Seriously. That's where you take projects with high upside, day 3, not top 10 overall 
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Mingo also had 9 tackles for loss, in addition to his 5 sacks, and 4 passes defensed. He made mistakes, but he also appears to have special talent. He makes plays in the backfield, and did so without ever really getting a chance to learn the defense 100%.
He wasn't perfect my any stretch, but he did play on the opponent's side of the LOS with regularity. That's a solid place to start.
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You can gain weight and not lose speed...you can also improve explosiveness while gaining weight.
Haus...I believe he bruised the lung in a Special Teams play...early in the game and he went out there a couple of times after and then I think he started spitting blood...not sure about the last part.
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There are strong safeties who are buffer than he is. I'm thinking of Chancellor from Seattle.
Chancellor is about 10 pounds lighter than Mingo and he's about 25-30 pounds heavier than the average strong safety... He is hardly the rule for strong safeties.
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He is the lightest in the ass 3-4 OLB in the league and was sidelined from a bruised lung when he..... wait, did we ever even figure out when that happened?
There are strong safeties who are buffer than he is. I'm thinking of Chancellor from Seattle.
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Here's exactly where I drew my conclusion from. Size is not the answer for a speed rusher and many great LB'ers have debunked that notion.
I don't know what Mingo's ideal weight is. But his style of play seems to be more the issue than size. His lack of moves seems to be an issue. His lack of physical play seems to be an issue.
Now if you looked into it as you claimed, you certainly know many great LB'ers in the 240 to 250 lb. range have been fantastic at rushing the QB against guys much larger than themselves.
Sometimes it's really that simple.
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You can gain weight and not lose speed...you can also improve explosiveness while gaining weight.
Oh, you "can". But often times players don't. It's a two edged sword that could swing either way. Looking at Mingo's frame, I stated he could possibly gain 10lbs. and be fine.
More than that ? I believe the odds would be heavily against him retaining his speed. Maybe we will find out?
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He is the lightest in the ass 3-4 OLB in the league and was sidelined from a bruised lung when he..... wait, did we ever even figure out when that happened?
There are strong safeties who are buffer than he is. I'm thinking of Chancellor from Seattle.
"Big people beat up little people" - Chip Kelly. Sometimes it really is that simple.
Here's exactly where I drew my conclusion from. Size is not the answer for a speed rusher and many great LB'ers have debunked that notion.
I don't know what Mingo's ideal weight is. But his style of play seems to be more the issue than size. His lack of moves seems to be an issue. His lack of physical play seems to be an issue.
Now if you looked into it as you claimed, you certainly know many great LB'ers in the 240 to 250 lb. range have been fantastic at rushing the QB against guys much larger than themselves.
Sometimes it's really that simple.
Weight correlates somewhat with height and for an NFL linebacker I'd expect an inch to equal roughly 10 pounds. Who are these front 7 players who are playing at the equivalent of 6'4.25" 240lb? And it's quite possible that he lost weight before/during the season.
The best speed rusher in the game IMO is Von Miller who is 6'3" 250lb.
Aldon Smith 6'4" 265lb.
Terrell Suggs 6'3" 260lb.
Cameron Wake 6'3" 258lb.
Julius Peppers 6'7" 287lb.
Robert Mathis 6'2" 246lb.
Elvis Dumervil 5'11" 260lb.
Clay Matthews 6'3" 255lb.
I'm not even cherry picking. Those are the 8 I just happened to look up right now. You just don't see 6'4"+ edge rushers who are 240 in the modern NFL. I know people are going to come back with 'but Barkevious doesn't have the frame size of those guys... if he puts on weight he will get fat and slow!'
Errrm..... I don't see a guy who has an overly slight frame. I see a guy who is just too skinny for his position; there is a big difference. Until we have DEXA scan data and/or wrist/ankle measurements I'm just going by what I see: a guy who simply lacks the necessary muscular development to play D-line/3-4OLB at a high level in the NFL.
In fact, a well developed physique on a person with a small frame often looks BIGGER muscularly than they actually are based on the relationship between the size of the joints/bones and muscle. Take a guy who has skinny ankles but well developed calves, the calves look huge. Or a guy with skinny forearms/humerus and skinny elbows... biceps asolutely pop out of a guy like that even if they aren't all that big.
I see a guy who needs to fill out a bit, especially in the upper body. He doesn't look wide because his shoulders aren't well developed, arms hang down close to the side because he has no lats, and he gets bruised from getting hit in the sternum because he has no chest. Seriously... show me an NFL front 7 player who is more slender than Mingo.
Don't take my word for it... the coaching staff lead by our defensive mastermind head coach sees it the same way. Wouldn't it be a pretty big deal if they were planning on screwing up our second year, #6 overall pick? Where is the disconnect between posters here supporting the new staff while being so against wanting Mingo to bulk up?
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Anyone know what Mingo benches?
I can't find a record of his benching for the combine or pro day. Mingo might be dealing with a strength issue rather than a weight issue, though the two go hand and hand.
If Mingo puts the time in the weight room to make himself stronger he could very well add muscle mass which translates to getting bigger and gaining muscle weight.
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no idea.. but according to this Bleacher Report, he declined to bench at the combine and at his pro day.. web page
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This is what I say. Get him on a power lifters agenda for a few months. Bulk him up with muscle not fat. IMO, if he can gain size in his shoulders and back and chest, he will be fine. Or........he could get some stuff from Barry Bonds friend 
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Anyone know what Mingo benches?
I can't find a record of his benching for the combine or pro day. Mingo might be dealing with a strength issue rather than a weight issue, though the two go hand and hand.
If Mingo puts the time in the weight room to make himself stronger he could very well add muscle mass which translates to getting bigger and gaining muscle weight.
Like DC posted, best I can tell is he declined to bench at the combine. Good point about getting stronger. Ultimately it's not the muscle mass that matters in football. It's the strength, power, and explosiveness that you're after. Increased muscle mass is more of a byproduct of that than the end result obviously.
I really think that a bigger Mingo is a stronger/tougher/nastier and ultimately better player and hopefully that bears itself out. JMO of course. I don't want the guy to become slow. There's obviously a balance there and can understand why people like him how he is because of his quickness.
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Not what I would expect from a hungry LB type ready to showcase he talent for the NFL...to skip benching in both the combine and pro day.
That might have been a red flag for something, but I don't know what he would be hiding? ...that he's weak?...or maybe lazy?
In a rook's first off season, they usually gain weight because they hit the weights most of the off season. If Mingo doesn't come in at 250, I would begin to wonder what is going on with him.
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Funny thing..... Von miller is the exact weight that I said I believed Mingo could achieve without it hurting his speed.
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Mingo is not weak. Didn't anyone see him take that RB at the end of the year and sling him around like a rag doll w/just his arms?
Mingo is young and raw. He made mistakes, but no more than Sheard did. Yet, I don't see the knocks on that guy. Why? Never mind..........I know why.
Mingo was drafted to rush the passer, much like a Clay Matthews or Von Miller. If you want an every down LBer, then Kruger is your guy.
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Mingo is not weak. Didn't anyone see him take that RB at the end of the year and sling him around like a rag doll w/just his arms?
He's also been locked on and driven back several times, taking him fully outta the play and not allowing him to set an edge or contain an edge. Thrown to the ground several times. Etc. I'm not saying he's a baby, but he needs to get stronger. Some of this, yes, technique played a role in which he will improve his techniques/leverages and methods/means of attacking, but still IMO, he needs to add some power if he wants to be elite. I want to see him drive people back into the backfield, like Jabaal and Paul do.
Without hestitation, I'd sacrifice SOME of his freak speed for more power that will make him a better rounded player and will open up his arsenal and ways to attack.
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come on Vers , a lot of folks were lambasting JS after his first year.
I now because I defended him, they said he was slow, weak, a . poor pick.
I said then the same thing then I say about Mingo, he has the physical tools, but lacks the experience, ( or brains ). He losses containment, gets too far up field, runs himself out of plays, its more mental than physical.
JS has shown it was mental and he has improved drastically from his first year, I expect Mingo to do the same.
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He's also been locked on and driven back several times, taking him fully outta the play and not allowing him to set an edge or contain an edge. Thrown to the ground several times.
Wanna provide video for that? I don't remember that. I remember him not playing outside/in and getting sucked inside, but please show us all the different videos of him being thrown to the ground.
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I am not talking about Sheard's first year. I am talking about this past season. He made some of the same mistakes Mingo did and Sheard was in his third year.
They are bad mistakes and I am not excusing either player, but I also know it happens to many OLBers. They aren't the only guys it happens to.
I am not even knocking Sheard. My point is that guys like Dj keep pointing out it happening to the rookie Mingo, but ignore the same freaking thing happening to a 3rd year player.
I have to ask: why? Maybe, you should ask the same question.
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You know, I really don't need to even get into this. Posters have listed many great LB'ers who have played at a similar weight as Mingo.
Mingo plays based on speed, not weight. So have a lot of great speed rushers. I seriously think you need to look into this a little more.
What makes you think that I haven't looked into it? We can just respectfully agree to disagree... nothing wrong with that. Coming up with an individual's ideal playing weight is an inexact science at best.
It is. I also think it is unwise to start messing with peoples weights when they are fit. I don't know what the Browns have told him, but if he things cramming pizza is the way to gain weight, he needs some education.
It's a good point. It's important to look at the overall context of the diet. If he's just cramming down a bunch of pizza and burgers, that's no good. If he's getting sufficient protein, hydration, fruits and veggies, omega 3 fats, maintaining a small but steady caloric surplus.... then I see no problem including a pizza here or a couple burgers there to help satisfy his very high caloric requirements.
I get that, but I didn't see him mention some of the things you mentioned and I alluded to.
Rogers was a good player but he was a tub of lard and wasn't fit my any means. He was just a strong guy. Almost like a Sumo wrestler. He could control the yard his body took up and the yard to either side, but that was about it. It was easy to say he needed to lose some weight.
Mingo isn't a wimp. The guy is toned, so he might be about as big as he can get without adding fat to meet the coaches desires or taking some steriod to build up. Do we want that?
People do reach their natural limitations in some cases. Unlike some who think you can keep training to get better, I think people reach their limits, and asking them to bulk up more is like telling someone you'd like them to report to camp 2 inches taller.
Or, on a more personal level for the guys, your girl can ask you find a way to add a few inches, but it is what it is.
I'd educate the guy, see that he's working, then just go with that. If it's not what we need, then go in another direction in a year or two.
Mingo's game is speed first. My feeling is if he loses that on pizza dough and can't make that work, he isn't going to find a way to add 25 lbs unless we are talking shots of some sort.
The guy went to LSU. They pay for pro level support. They have good dietitians, a solid medical program, good coaches, and top trainers. Just like all the big boys do. Some of you need to get over that pro training and support is better than college training and support. It isn't, at least with the big college programs, and LSU isn't second rate. They rank out with anybody.
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Ok, let's make this short: Sheard had a much better season than Mingo overall. He wasn't an AllPro and yes, he had bad plays, but OVERALL he had a much better season than Mingo. It was night and day when Sheard went down and Mingo had to start. Your argument is like saying "but when Gordon drops a pass, nobody complains"...of course not, because he has more good plays too. I don't care for a handful of similar mistakes or plays, only the WHOLE body of work counts.
If you think and really want to maintain that they had "similar" seasons, then we have to agree to disagree and I'd point out that it be a re-run of the stupid "Gipson is better than Ward" argument you tried to make, as in: you won't find support for that outside of your mind, not even among homer fans, let alone outside sources.
So, make this short too and answer me: who had the better season? who had more impact when he was on the field? Sheard or Mingo? Your ball...
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Yeah, let me go right into my video/film room and compile a video for you...  If you cannot remember watching him get bullied sometimes out there, then that isn't a big deal to/for me. However, it doesn't hide the fact that it happened. Don't you remember the one play he was taken to the ground but was able to get up and then burst/accelerate for a sack I believe it was? I can't remember who we were playing so please forgive me, but I am sure you know the play I am talking about. He was rushing off from Paul's usual position, got thrown to the ground but made himself look good when he flipped right back up and the popped on the QB who had started to take off... the burst from getting up to get to the QB was amazing. Surely you know this play and hopefully that helps refresh some of your memory...
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Gipson was better than Ward. Horton said so. Just because a bunch of posters who are usually wrong said otherwise, does not make it true.
Sheard or Mingo? Probably Sheard, but not by much. I do know that Mingo did draw more attention in regards to blockers than Sheard did. Both were okay. Both made some dumb plays. Both made some very good plays.
I do think Mingo hit the rookie wall hard at the end of the year and that is why Sheard gets my nod. I also think that Mingo has way more talent than Sheard and will eventually become the better player.
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One play? Okay, I thought you said it happened several times. I must have misread that. 
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It is one more play that you didn't seem to remember, failed to acknowledge or anything, right bro ? But no, I said several times and I meant it. Sorry I don't have the patience, resources, tools or TIME or compile videos just to prove my point to you that he's been bullied and could afford to add some power. IMO, I didn't think I would need to gather such evidence to support my claim if anyone paid attention to him last year. I'm sure the staff isn't asking him to add some mass for "$hits and giggles"... chill man, someone disagreed with something you said - it isn't the end of the world and I'm not looking for "e-fight" with you lmao *EDIT* Let me ask you this, or anyone this - take away Mingo's freak speed and what else do you have? Also to note, I'm not ripping him and as I said, I'm not indicating he's a baby or anything... i'm actually looking for Mingo to have a great season with decent-to-high sack #'s. Kid could sure use some more power though! Did you ever see him push back and drive a tackle or offensive person back? Now that is something that I cannot remember.
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No, Horton didn't say that, it's what you wanted to take out of it. It was your interpretation of his exagerrated MVP label he gave him, which was clearly taken back in sentences after that by saying something along the lines of "considering where he came from". If you really think Gipson was our best player on Defense, then more power to you. My interpretation was it was a motivational award as Gipson was actually going through his worst stretch of play those weeks and was scrutinzed some by fans. It's like in little league you tell your least talented kid "common, your my best man". I don't consider it debatable, both the MVP BS and that he was anywhere close to Ward's play. Guess we disagree...by A LOT
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Horton said Gipson was the MVP of the defense. Do you think he meant that Gipson sucked?
What the hell are you saying?
You are so insecure that you can't ever admit to being wrong. I feel sorry for you, Dj. Were you bottle fed? Were you left w/baby sitters a lot? Were you the middle child? Why are you so insecure?
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Do you think Gipson was our best defender?
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No. Do you think Ward was?
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No. There was no one really deserving a MVP. If I had to give one, it'd probably go to Haden despite his hiccups down the stretch. Sheard, Ward and D.Bryant after him, as those 3 had really dominant spurts too, with Ward being the most consistent thanks to staying healthy.
So if you don't take Horton by his word, what's it worth anymore as an argument? That's my point. It's just a strawman for your argument if you don't believe he was actually saying he was the MVP. It all falls back to what we think of him and that's what we interpret in this. In other words: our opinion. Hence, it's not an argument either way...
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Remember Mingo is still a baby...its a proven fact that as a body matures from a Young Man to a more Mature Man weight gain and natural muscular framework increasing is a natural thing. Add onto it a concise plan...unfortunately everyone was fired. Diet and Gym regimen can increase weight gain - along with proper stretching regimen so that the muscles that are being enlarged become LONG MUSCLE not knarrled muscles that will be more apt to tear. I'm not suggesting that he becomes a body builder like Darryl Boston ruining his career. But he can add 8lbs on each leg and about 5-10 more on the upper body over the course of 2 years. Fast muscular and smooth at it not to tear. I can see him 26 lbs heavier in 2 seasons and a beast to boot got to be done right - Pizza sure as heck ain't in the formula that is for sure.
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Mingo is not weak. Didn't anyone see him take that RB at the end of the year and sling him around like a rag doll w/just his arms?
Mingo is young and raw. He made mistakes, but no more than Sheard did. Yet, I don't see the knocks on that guy. Why? Never mind..........I know why.
Mingo was drafted to rush the passer, much like a Clay Matthews or Von Miller. If you want an every down LBer, then Kruger is your guy.
Sometimes I don't know what you guys are watching or thinking. I do know what Dj and mac are thinking though. And it's lame.
vers...Mingo is not weak you say and he was drafted to rush the passer like Clay Mathews and Von Miller.
Von Miller benched 225, 21 reps at his combine and weighed in at 250...during his rookie year he had 11.5 sacks for the Broncos.
Clay Mathews benched 225, 23 reps at his combine and weighed in at 240 and had 10 sacks his rookie year for the Packers. Mathews went from 240 his rookie year to 255 in his second season with the Packers.
It is unusual for a high first round pick like Mingo, to skip the bench press at the combine and pro day workouts. Maybe Mingo was dealing with a shoulder problem
Regardless, IMO Mingo needs to do a lot of work this off season, to develop his pass rushing skills and he needs to get bigger and stronger, hitting the weights to add muscle. Hopefully he will come in to training camp at around 250.
BTW, I'm not the only one to question Mingo's size and strength...go back and look at some of the draft reports and you will see that many of the concerns turned out to be pretty accurate.
Weaknesses:
Weak run defense
Struggles to shed blocks
Needs more pass-rushing moves
Lacks strength for NFL
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Coming out of college, Mingo was very raw but he has the tools to be a great player. Hopefully he has the desire and work ethic to develop himself into a good all around LB/DE...but especially a great pass rushing LB/DE.
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But he can add 8lbs on each leg and about 5-10 more on the upper body over the course of 2 years.
Impossible.
That frame cannot carry an additional 20-25 pounds.
Mingo will be lucky if he can add 10.
He's always going to be slight. He's never going to be good against the run. His game will be speed and quickness, but you don't have to be huge to be tough, and right now there isn't a softer OLB in the NFL than Barkevious Mingo.
The idea that he's going to get bigger and substantially stronger is a pipe-dream. That's not what people should be focusing on. They need to carefully watch his desire to mix it up. He allows himself to get moved out of plays. His lack of aggression and timidness was very tough to watch last year.
What we now see in terms of his size is what we're always going to see. What needs to be improved is his desire to be physical.
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