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Could it be a calculated risk to increase his exposure before the combine and draft, and avoid any "breaking news"? Figuring his teammates knew, and it was a matter of time before it came out intentionally or accidentally, best to bring it out yourself than to try to play catch up?
If that's the case, as has been suggested by profootballtalk, then it's less courageous than I'd previously given him credit for.
Making a statement all of your own volition is far different than getting out in front of an inevitable story.
Couldn't you turn around and say it's bad attention?
There may be teams that are less likely to take him because of the added attention he will bring from all kinds of media outlets..
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Yes, let's applaud homosexuals. 
Live and Let Live Vers.. I applaud him for standing up and being open and honest. As for his sexual preference, it's really not my business.
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There may be teams that are less likely to take him because of the added attention he will bring from all kinds of media outlets..
If the word "may" means the word "will" then I fully agree, hehe.
That factored into the courageous aspect of the discussion. If he came out in spite of the fact nobody would have known, thus knowingly risked his draft stock, it would have been a very courageous thing to do. If, however, he's simply getting out in front of the story, it's neither courageous nor cowardly. It's simply a smart business decision. Furthermore, some might suggest that because he's playing the "I'm a proud gay man so I elected to say something before the draft" card before the draft it indicates subterfuge on his part, my response would be that only an absolute idiot would say anything other than that. Only a complete Terrelle Owens would come out and say he is admitting now because the story would come out anyway.
It's a business, and one's image always plays a role in the business of the NFL.
To me, he either knew the story would get leaked so he decided to get out in front of it, in which case I say "big deal, non-story for me, moving on" or he made a conscious decision to come out before the draft in spite of the fact nobody would find out. If it's the latter then it took big stones do make such a move.
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I'll never understand why a group of people want to be accepted and equal with everyone else, but will go out of their way to publicly announce their differences and then expect to be catered to for being different.
Where does it say he expects people to cater to him? I've missed that part…
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If that's the case, as has been suggested by profootballtalk, then it's less courageous than I'd previously given him credit for.
Making a statement all of your own volition is far different than getting out in front of an inevitable story.
I disagree, at least as it applies to this case. If he was having Tiger Woods like affairs or if he had a drug problem, then he might be trying to get ahead of the inevitable story, hopefully while he addressed his problems... but this guy just doesn't want to have to hide his life for the next 15 years and better to announce it now and get it out there than wait until he has been drafted and then have it reported on.. so in this case I think it's both, he wanted to say it, he also wanted to release the information on his own terms before it got to the media some other way.
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Anyone ever hear the David Cross bit breaking down the stupidity of the whole 'it's a choice' nonsense?
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Could it be a calculated risk to increase his exposure before the combine and draft, and avoid any "breaking news"? Figuring his teammates knew, and it was a matter of time before it came out intentionally or accidentally, best to bring it out yourself than to try to play catch up?
If that's the case, as has been suggested by profootballtalk, then it's less courageous than I'd previously given him credit for.
Making a statement all of your own volition is far different than getting out in front of an inevitable story.
Couldn't you turn around and say it's bad attention?
There may be teams that are less likely to take him because of the added attention he will bring from all kinds of media outlets..
I personally think this is odd timing for him. Why risk your own draft stock for someone who is projected as a second day pick? Whether it should be a risk or not...it will be one.
I applaud him for having the stones to admit this but if he wanted to be the "first" openly gay current player, he should have waited until he made an opening day roster. Because right now, he's nothing more than a gay draft prospect. I guess that's a first too.
Actually...announcing it now really puts the onus on the NFL GMs to make a potentially tough decision.
But then again, maybe that was his plan. Suddenly, now all 32 GMs must have that talk with other people in the organization about him and whether or not the team would be ok with it. In other words, he gets the conversation going throughout the whole league instead of just one team (if he had waited).
My brain is chuckling at the thought of Jon Gruden talking about him on MNF - "This Sam kid is one special gay player. I mean the gayest of the gayiest that I've seen in a long time". It has SNL written all over it. 
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I personally think this is odd timing for him. Why risk your own draft stock for someone who is projected as a second day pick?
Because he's a person of high character and feels he owes it to his future team to draft him with a full understanding of the media attention it may attract?
Because if a kid did it the other way, got drafted, went through camp, then once firmly on the roster announced he was gay.. a lot of people would be screaming that he's a low life for not disclosing it sooner.
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j/c I applaud all the people who don't give a rat's ass one way or the other. 
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He actually stated that in the article. He said that there was already some rumors swirling about him being gay, him coming out is him trying to have open dialogue (and hopefully very little of it) before all the nasty rumors that spread during draft season.
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I personally think this is odd timing for him. Why risk your own draft stock for someone who is projected as a second day pick?
Because he's a person of high character and feels he owes it to his future team to draft him with a full understanding of the media attention it may attract?
Because if a kid did it the other way, got drafted, went through camp, then once firmly on the roster announced he was gay.. a lot of people would be screaming that he's a low life for not disclosing it sooner.
Yeah, I can see that but the other side of the coin is that he's risking not getting drafted and not making a roster. So then, he will have done this for nothing. All that will prove is that the NFL is not ready for a gay player yet and make the next guy question whether or not he should come out and when he does. That's a high risk (not likely, but possible).
I also doubt anyone would be calling him a low life for disclosing this later. At least they'd know he's good enough to play and make the team. That's all most fans and team mates want anyway.
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If that's the case, as has been suggested by profootballtalk, then it's less courageous than I'd previously given him credit for.
Making a statement all of your own volition is far different than getting out in front of an inevitable story.
I disagree, at least as it applies to this case. If he was having Tiger Woods like affairs or if he had a drug problem, then he might be trying to get ahead of the inevitable story, hopefully while he addressed his problems... but this guy just doesn't want to have to hide his life for the next 15 years and better to announce it now and get it out there than wait until he has been drafted and then have it reported on.. so in this case I think it's both, he wanted to say it, he also wanted to release the information on his own terms before it got to the media some other way.
I get your point, but I'd say it's likely you aren't aware of all the facts, or perhaps I should say the facts as the PFT and now ESPN stories indicate.
They are stating he was being asked questions about his sexuality at the Senior Bowl, and on ESPN Lebetard was stating reporters were begging him to allow them to break the story that he is gay. If those reports are factual, he was going to be outed to the public any moment, not 15-years down the road, and in that case he should say something now rather than have the story come out first.
If nobody knew, coming out now is brave. If everyone knew, coming out now was a must and smart business, but not nearly so courageous.
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I can see that but the other side of the coin is that he's risking not getting drafted and not making a roster. So then, he will have done this for nothing. All that will prove is that the NFL is not ready for a gay player yet
If this guy fails to make a roster, I would imagine there will be considerable heated debate on how much his sexuality had to do with it or if he just wasn't good enough... and the sad part is, we already know which side of that argument a lot of the talking heads inside and outside of sports will fall on and the guy hasn't even been drafted or gone to camp yet.
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I dunno, I thought I read that this guy is getting a round 2/3 grade? If he doesn't get drafted, that would be horrible.
Sounds like he's a pretty good player though.
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The draft genius (Mike Mayock of course) is giving him a round 3 to 5 selection range.
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He'll get drafted.
I thought it was funny to hear an anonymous NFL front office person say he wouldn't drafted, the league is over a decade away from having one, and it's because the NFL is a "man's man league". Ha ha ha...you don't want a player who likes men because you're a "man's man league"? Isn't that kind of the same thing? Kind of a funny way to say that.
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And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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I have a few questions after reading how many of you are applauding this man. Please don't read anything into my questions other than a morbid curiosity of how people think. I am NOT making any statements. I just want to hear your answers. ---Why can't I say "Christmas party" when I send out a Newsletter to the parents at our school? --Why can't I even say "Holiday party" in that Newsletter? --Why can't I mention God if I so choose? --Why has the courts punished schools for asking a transgendered student to use the staff bathrooms after a parent complained of him/her using the girls bathroom? --How do we make the decisions what is appropriate or inappropriate in regards to sexual preferences in our society? --Would we applaud a person for admitting he was a rapist? --How about a sadist? --Would we rejoice because someone admitted to being a child molester? That would sure take guts. --Would we applaud the serial killer because he admitted to enjoying torturing his victims and forgive him because he was genetically predisposed to commit such acts? My questions are who makes the rules as to what is acceptable and what is not? Why can't we pray in schools if we so choose? Why take away one's rights to express themselves? By the way...............I am far from religious. I haven't been to church in over 20 years. I just see a hypocrisy here. Celebrating gays is like the flavor of the day. We are all so open minded and understanding of human kind. We are so liberal. We are so above the bigoted people that preceded us. We are the new voice of society. Now, let's see how "open minded" you all are? 
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---Why can't I say "Christmas party" when I send out a Newsletter to the parents at our school?
--Why can't I even say "Holiday party" in that Newsletter?
--Why can't I mention God if I so choose?
You CAN use those words. Some will applaud you, some will hate you. Same thing as this kid stating he's gay, no?
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--Why has the courts punished schools for asking a transgendered student to use the staff bathrooms after a parent complained of him/her using the girls bathroom?
--How do we make the decisions what is appropriate or inappropriate in regards to sexual preferences in our society?
Certain people think they have jurisdiction over the lives of others…just like this kid getting passed on in the draft for being gay (if it happens). WE don't need to make decisions for others as to what is appropriate or inappropriate. People should be able to make their own.
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--How about a sadist?
--Would we rejoice because someone admitted to being a child molester? That would sure take guts.
--Would we applaud the serial killer because he admitted to enjoying torturing his victims and forgive him because he was genetically predisposed to commit such acts?
Of course we wouldn't…those people hurt others. Why would that be okay with anyone?
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Oh, and we all have choices in life. You can choose to work in a private school that allows religion if you like. Just like this kid is choosing to be himself and not "hide" part of who he is to please others.
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--Would we applaud a person for admitting he was a rapist?
--How about a sadist?
--Would we rejoice because someone admitted to being a child molester? That would sure take guts.
--Would we applaud the serial killer because he admitted to enjoying torturing his victims and forgive him because he was genetically predisposed to commit such acts?
Of course we wouldn't…those people hurt others. Why would that be okay with anyone?
That's a really good point. Thanks.
Let me try again.
---What if someone admitted they were a masochist? That would take guts.
--Would we applaud someone who admitted to masturbating while watching hours of porn a day?
---What if someone admitted to being into bestiality?
Man, I couldn't spell any of those words LOL..............I had to look them up and now they are in my search history. I yi yi yi.
Are you getting my point in regards to my questions? Who decides what is acceptable and what is the basis of judging what is acceptable and what is not? Btw---------- I could be fired if I tried the God/praying stuff. Not that I would, but it could happen.
See Michelle...........this is what I think. The media tells people what to think. This is acceptable. This is not acceptable. And all of these so-called forward thinkers are anything but forward thinking. They are regurgitating what is popular at this particular point in time. It's so unoriginal that it is boring beyond belief and actually tells me that most of these "progressive thinkers" are anything but.
I've never had a problem w/homosexuals. I could care less one way or the other. They never hurt me. I won't condemn or celebrate any of it. Again, I just think it is the flavor of the day and there are a lot of phonies out there.
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Browns owner Jimmy Haslam issued a statement tonight in support of Missouri defensive end Michael Sam, who appears to be on the verge of becoming the first openly gay NFL player.
Sam, the co-SEC Defensive Player of the Year last season, came out to the world Sunday night. NFLDraftScout.com projects him to be picked in the third or fourth round in May’s draft.
Haslam joined several NFL decision-makers, including New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft and Denver Broncos executive vice president of football operations John Elway, who have assured the rest of the league that they would embrace Sam as a member of their team.
“Absolutely we would welcome Michael Sam to the Cleveland Browns organization if he can help us win games and is the right football player for this team,” Haslam said in the statement. “We are intent on creating an environment that is supportive, accepting and respectful of individual rights and differences.”
There is at least one prominent Browns player who would lead the charge in welcoming Sam if he ended up in Cleveland.
Last year, Browns inside linebacker and defensive captain D’Qwell Jackson predicted the NFL was on the brink of having its first openly gay player. Jackson said that was one of the reasons he felt compelled to become an ambassador for Athlete Ally in May 2013. Athlete Ally is an organization dedicated to ending homophobia in sports.
“I have friends that are gay and lesbian, and I just thought it was right just to bring some awareness to the locker room,” Jackson said last year. “Being a leader, if I think this is the right thing to do, maybe it can open some eyes of guys that are homophobic.
“At some point, there’s going to be a gay NFL player that comes out either this year, the next year or the year after, and you have to be ready to embrace it. And me being a leader in the Cleveland Browns locker room, it’s important that we welcome everyone.”
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Anyone ever hear the David Cross bit breaking down the stupidity of the whole 'it's a choice' nonsense?
Can't post it here, but it's pretty good.
Can't say that I have... For the record my teenage kids have SEVERAL gay friends.. They have stayed over at my home MANY times over.. I treat them no different than any of their straight friends.. For some strange reason I notice that in atleast our younger generation it has become part of "pop culture."
The same gay friends they had two years ago are now hugged up into heterro-relationships... Does that sample of 5 different kids make all gay people of the same mind? I think not however I agree that the emphasis is skewed..
The same media that wants to tell the sheople how they should morally think paints the true villian as the Bible or their mis-representation of those that believe in it..
I am a Christian and I will say this, NO WHERE in the Bible is it written that salvation is limited to certain people, races, origin or anything else.. Simply that grace saved through faith
SO MANY people hiding behind the Word of God in this world taint the true message and turn others off to it and furthermore take this holier than though approach...
Without steering off the topic of the thread to far, I will say this... I have had things happen this past year in my life that have forever changed me.. There IS NO other explanation to true change than that which is through Christ...
For the record I had this SERIOUS Porn addiction that no kidding would take up probably about 6+ hrs a week.. I also smoked for 18 straight years, tried NEARLY EVERY quit method known and stopped completely on 5 Jan.. I committed Adultery in my past and hosts of other sins.. I am NOT proud of any of those things and it isn't an easy thing to post this on a message board to complete strangers but when you have experienced freedom... TRUE freedom from those things in your life you realize that the opinion of ONE is ALL that you will ever need!
God has a way of changing these "things people are born with" so I guess in a way we are both right?  Choose His way and He can decide the what and how rather than the media..
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Errr, sounds like you need a hug 
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Who decides what is acceptable and what is the basis of judging what is acceptable and what is not?
Generally society as a whole ebbs and flows on those issues except when things become a matter of law.
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You don't have to think like the media tells you to think... The part I agree with is that the media can take something that is not a big deal and lead you to believe it is a big deal (or vice versa)... in the end, they are people with opinions who want to have their stuff read, make names for themselves, etc.. fortunately you can choose which ones to watch and read and which ones to believe.
Personally I get your feelings about not being able to mention Christmas. Seems terribly hypocritical to me. This guy is being celebrated for announcing "who he is" to the world but if you say "who you are" by mentioning your faith in a public school you will end up on unpaid leave or in court. Seems like a bad mixed message to me. Am I supposed to be proud of who I am or not?
But I don't find it really relevant to what this guy did or why people think it's a big deal.
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Personally I get your feelings about not being able to mention Christmas. Seems terribly hypocritical to me. This guy is being celebrated for announcing "who he is" to the world but if you say "who you are" by mentioning your faith in a public school you will end up on unpaid leave or in court. Seems like a bad mixed message to me. Am I supposed to be proud of who I am or not?
That is an excellent point.
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Now that Haslam has come out in support of this guy, Vers will probably change his mind. Sort of like how it was all the players fault for the season until they fired Chud. 
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Personally I get your feelings about not being able to mention Christmas. Seems terribly hypocritical to me. This guy is being celebrated for announcing "who he is" to the world but if you say "who you are" by mentioning your faith in a public school you will end up on unpaid leave or in court. Seems like a bad mixed message to me. Am I supposed to be proud of who I am or not? [/quote]
You guys seem to be missing something important here....not everyone is applauding this kid. He will catch plenty of crap for doing what he did and being who he is. The world hasn't suddenly become tolerant. Trust me on this one. ;)
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Would we applaud someone who admitted to masturbating while watching hours of porn a day?
Would be ironic that we applaud someone who doesn't have a free hand to do so themselves. 
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Personally I get your feelings about not being able to mention Christmas. Seems terribly hypocritical to me. This guy is being celebrated for announcing "who he is" to the world but if you say "who you are" by mentioning your faith in a public school you will end up on unpaid leave or in court. Seems like a bad mixed message to me. Am I supposed to be proud of who I am or not?
You guys seem to be missing something important here....not everyone is applauding this kid. He will catch plenty of crap for doing what he did and being who he is. The world hasn't suddenly become tolerant. Trust me on this one.
Correct. One thing to think about - in today's society (u.s.), we are becoming MORE tolerant of gays, but it seems to me, less tolerant of religion. JMO.
As to whether Sam came out to prove a point or not, I would hope not. Will it affect his draft status? I would hope not. The question all teams should be asking is "can he help us on the field"?
With that said - yeah, maybe it would be an awkward time in the locker room. But, by the same token, women reporters are allowed in the locker rooms, aren't they?
I don't think anyone announces that they are gay so they can be celebrated for it, and I don't think anyone "chooses" to be gay any more than I chose to be hetero. As my son told me a couple of years ago "Why would anyone CHOOSE to be gay the way society is, and the treatment they get if they are gay?"
He had a point.
Anyone remember me posting about my son being attacked and mugged in Columbus a couple of years ago? He wasn't mugged. He was beat because he is gay. 2 guys beat him and kicked him, knocking him out and he finally ended up in the e.r.........because he's gay. My thoughts about those people that did that to him are the exact same today as they were back then, but for different reasons.
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While I don't think he should be celebrated in any manner, I also don't think he should be subjected to ridicule and hate. Let him do his job and judge him on those merits alone.
I did hear that he was hounded by the media at the Senior Bowl. Apparently the story was going to break anyway, so he probably decided to do it himself rather than have the media break it. Smart move on his part.
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If he can help the Browns win then sign him up. If he can't then kick him to the curb.
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I could care less if he is asexual, bisexual, trysexual, straight, or gay.
It has nothing to do with playing football.
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You guys seem to be missing something important here....not everyone is applauding this kid. He will catch plenty of crap for doing what he did and being who he is. The world hasn't suddenly become tolerant. Trust me on this one.
Oh I'm not missing it.. but have you seen what has been said about anybody who has a problem with it? They are generally vilified in the media. I see where his father said in an interview that he's really struggling with it, basically said he's an old fashioned one man/one woman kind of guy. So I ask a serious question, should we applaud his father for being honest when I'm sure this is very hard on him and he knows he's going to catch flack for not being on board with it? Or should he have said the socially correct thing, that he's cool with it, etc.? Because if he had said he's cool with it, he could have been celebrated too. I also understand that he told his dad a few days before the announcement by text... clearly something going on in the family dynamic that he told his father something like that via text message....
Now some semantics... tolerant.. tolerate... to allow to exist without interference (something that you do not like or agree with)..... seems to me that most gays (or at least the media that supports them) want a lot more than tolerance. They want acceptance, agreement... it's not enough to tolerate it any more, you have to accept it and almost celebrate it or risk being vilified in the media. JMHO...
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I think "Tolerate" and "Accept" are pretty much on par with one another..
If you're his teammate, are you just going to "tolerate" him being Gay? No. You will have to accept it, because without accepting it, you'll never be able to move passed it and BE teammates..
Sam is not asking to be celebrated, he knew there would be a media frenzy when he did this, but he did it to have a peace of mind..
A former college teammate said the pressure of keeping it a secret was getting to him, and then the season after he tells his teammates is the best of his career. No coincidence, he could finally be himself, and play that way...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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seems to me that most gays (or at least the media that supports them) want a lot more than tolerance. They want acceptance, agreement... it's not enough to tolerate it any more, you have to accept it and almost celebrate it or risk being vilified in the media.
I think most people don't just want to be "tolerated". People want to be accepted, it's just human nature. I'm not quite sure what people who are "against" homosexuality, or refuse to accept it, are trying to accomplish. What is the goal here? Do you think you are going to make gay people go away, or send them back into hiding, or turn them straight? Voicing your displeasure over what someone is, is like getting pissed because the sky is blue. It all seems very odd to me.
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seems to me that most gays (or at least the media that supports them) want a lot more than tolerance. They want acceptance, agreement... it's not enough to tolerate it any more, you have to accept it and almost celebrate it or risk being vilified in the media.
I think most people don't just want to be "tolerated". People want to be accepted, it's just human nature. I'm not quite sure what people who are "against" homosexuality, or refuse to accept it, are trying to accomplish. What is the goal here? Do you think you are going to make gay people go away, or send them back into hiding, or turn them straight? Voicing your displeasure over what someone is, is like getting pissed because the sky is blue. It all seems very odd to me.
You're damn right Jules.
The only possible thing I can invision is making being gay illegal? Not sure how that will work.
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seems to me that most gays (or at least the media that supports them) want a lot more than tolerance. They want acceptance, agreement... it's not enough to tolerate it any more, you have to accept it and almost celebrate it or risk being vilified in the media.
I think most people don't just want to be "tolerated". People want to be accepted, it's just human nature. I'm not quite sure what people who are "against" homosexuality, or refuse to accept it, are trying to accomplish. What is the goal here? Do you think you are going to make gay people go away, or send them back into hiding, or turn them straight? Voicing your displeasure over what someone is, is like getting pissed because the sky is blue. It all seems very odd to me.
Unfortunately, not all human behavior is proper and/or acceptable for all people. Thing¡ may be legal, but not moral n the eyes of some. Having children out of wedlock might be an example. Some might see it as no big deal, while others find it to be immoral. Homosexuality is along the same line. You cannot ever seriously expect everyone to accept behavior that the Bible says is immoral as acceptable behavior. You cannot expect the Bible to be rewritten to accommodate homosexuality.
Back to the kid this thread was originally about, even his father has problems trying to accept that his son is gay. It seems to be tearing their family apart. That part truly breaks my heart ..... however, if the father truly believes that the son's behavior is wrong, then why should he have to accept it as proper. Back to the comparison of a child born out of wedlock ..... I know families who have struggled with this, loving and accepting the child, while not accepting that the behavior that led to the child's creation was proper. It's definitely a fine line to walk.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Unfortunately, not all human behavior is proper and/or acceptable for all people. Things may be legal, but not moral n the eyes of some. Having children out of wedlock might be an example. Some might see it as no big deal, while others find it to be immoral. Homosexuality is along the same line. You cannot ever seriously expect everyone to accept behavior that the Bible says is immoral as acceptable behavior.
Just curious….do people that have children out of wedlock get beaten or killed for their choice? Would it even be a news story if this football player had a child with some random college girl?
Nobody expects everyone to accept everything…or shouldn't anyway. "Morality" is a funny word…it means different things to different people. I think it's a sucky move to push our morals on others, but some of you seem to find that perfectly acceptable. Why don't we all just live our lives and let others do the same?
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You cannot expect the Bible to be rewritten to accommodate homosexuality.
And, THIS is one reason why religious zealots feel they are being shunned…because they sound like giant hypocrites. They have rewritten PLENTY in the Bible. But this ONE thing seems to be the stickler for them. Reminds me of three year olds throwing themselves on the floor and throwing a kicking and screaming fit.
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