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I heard his official time was 4.63. In other words, NFL DE / LB speed. Robert Griffin ran 4.41 at his Combine workout and still got hammered as a pro. Undersized ... linebacker speed ... yeah, lets take him at 4. No thanks - this guy is gonna get killed.
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Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel is one of the most talented players in the 2014 NFL Draft class. At only 21 years old (birthday is December 6th, 1992), Manziel is the youngest quarterback in the entire class. After redshirting during the 2011 season, Manziel won the starting job in 2012. He became the first redshirt freshman to ever win the Heisman Trophy as he completed 295 out of 434 for 3,706 yards, 26 touchdowns, and nine interceptions. He also proved to be a dynamic threat on the ground as he carried the ball 201 times for 1,410 yards and 21 touchdowns.
Manziel played in all 26 games during his college career. He completed 595 out of 863 passes for 7,820 yards, 63 touchdowns, and 22 interceptions during that time. Manziel also carried the ball 345 times for 2,169 yards and 30 touchdowns. In his final season, he completed 300 of 429 passes (69.9% completion percentage) for 4,114 yards, 37 touchdowns, and 13 interceptions.
Intangibles
Johnny Manziel is an extremely fiery competitor that leaves it all out on the field week-in and week-out. Whether it was diving for a crucial first down, getting fired up after throwing a touchdown pass, getting onto his receivers when they were not on the same page, or leading his team back from a 21-point deficit in the final game of his college career, Manziel’s emotions were regularly on display during his time at Texas A&M.
Between the 2012 and 2013 seasons, Manziel proved that he is a hard worker by the strides that he made as a passer. He showed a much stronger grasp of how to consistently attack defenses from the pocket and his throwing mechanics improved considerably. Due to the mechanical improvements, Manziel’s throwing velocity improved and he became a more accurate passer.
Manziel displayed incredible toughness while carrying the ball 345 times in the SEC. His toughness was also apparent as he played through multiple injuries during his redshirt sophomore season. The injuries included an injured knee suffered against Ole Miss, an injured shoulder suffered against Auburn, and a broken thumb on his throwing hand suffered against Mississippi State.
Off the field, Manziel has gotten more attention from the media than any other 21-year old football player in recent memory. Whether it is for winning the Heisman Trophy at a young age, partying, hanging out with celebrities, or plenty of other happenings, Manziel is constantly in the public eye. It is important that he continues to make football the priority as he makes the transition to the NFL.
College System
Manziel played in an Air Raid offense that expected him to throw to all levels of the field regularly. The offense included a lot of longer-developing intermediate and deep routes that often forced Manziel to hold the ball while waiting for the routes to develop. During the 2012 season, Manziel’s athletic ability was utilized on many more designed run plays than during the 2013 season.
After looking to the sideline for plays and protection changes more often during the 2012 season, it seemed that Manziel earned more responsibilities in regard to changing plays and protections during 2013. Understanding how to attack a defense is one of the most crucial aspects of quarterback play so the experience with making checks at the line should help Manziel as he transitions to the next level.
Most of Manziel’s time at Texas A&M was spent taking snaps from either shotgun or pistol sets. Consequently, he has very limited experience taking snaps from under center. Along with having limited experience taking snaps from under center, Manziel also has limited experience turning his back to the defense, resetting his eyes and feet, and making throws in the play-action game. It is important that Manziel works hard on all of the facets of playing under center as he prepares for the NFL Draft.
Competition Level
During his two college seasons, Johnny Manziel played in what is largely known as the toughest conference in all of college football in the SEC. Manziel and the Aggies were faced with the task of playing some of the most well-coached, talented, athletic teams in college football on a weekly basis and went 20-6 in a two-year span.
Physical Tools
At 6′ tall and 207 lbs., Manziel possesses adequate size with a compact build. Manziel has very large hands for a man of his size (9 3/4″). His hand size allows Manziel to throw the ball without gripping the laces with regularity, perform complete pump fakes without losing control of the ball, and also contribute to how rarely he puts the ball on the ground while running with the ball in one hand. It has been reported that Manziel wears size 15 shoes; which are bigger than much larger quarterbacks Cam Newton, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck (all reportedly wear size 14s). The size of Manziel’s hands and feet lead me to believe that he may not be finished growing.
Although Manziel does not have the strongest arm in the 2014 class, he displays plenty of arm strength to make every necessary throw at the NFL level. There are times when Manziel’s throwing velocity suffers, but these instances often occur when he does not maintain consistency in his lower body mechanics. Manziel made strides in this area between the 2012 and 2013 season and saw a nice improvement in his overall throwing velocity on a play-to-play basis. Manziel must continue working hard on improving the consistency of his lower body mechanics if he wishes to reach his full potential as a passer.
Manziel is a special athlete at the quarterback position. He exhibits the agility and elusiveness to make defenders miss in the open field and the straight-line speed to produce long runs when given the opportunity. In the NFL, Manziel must do a better job of protecting himself when running with the football by sliding and getting out of bounds more consistently.
Footwork/Mechanics
Although he consistently does a good job of getting his feet in a position where he can make accurate throws to all levels of the field, Manziel needs to improve the consistency of his footwork while dropping back to pass. There are too many occasions where Manziel casually drops back to pass with no sense of urgency. It worked in college, but at the next level, Manziel will need to drop back to pass quicker and with more urgency on a play-in, play-out basis. Passing windows open and close extremely quickly in the NFL. It is crucial that Manziel improves the consistency of his footwork and understands that the faster he drops back to pass, the sooner he can get the ball out of his own hands and into the hands of his playmakers.
As previously stated, Manziel needs to continue working to improve the consistency of his lower body mechanics as he transitions to the next level. The main flaw in his lower body mechanics that Manziel must correct is in his tendency to lift his back leg off the ground on his follow through. This can cause the ball to sail and hang in the air as throwing velocity suffers. Manziel made great strides toward ridding himself of this bad habit between the 2012 and 2013 seasons, but there is still plenty of room for improvement.
Throwing on the Run
One of the areas where Manziel is most adept is in his ability to throw while on the run. While moving to his left, he does an excellent job of getting his shoulders square to the line of scrimmage and making accurate throws across his body. Many of the defensive coordinators that Manziel faced during the past two seasons asked their edge players to contain against him rather than rushing him off the edge. This is largely due to the respect they have for Manziel’s ability to get outside the pocket and make throws down the field while moving in any direction.
Ball Placement
All of Johnny Manziel’s passes charted during 2013. (Click to enlarge.)
In charting every pass from the 2013 season and 22 games over the past two seasons, I have found that Johnny Manziel is extremely accurate to all levels of the field. Manziel typically does a great job of putting the ball in a place where his intended target can catch the ball in stride and maximize yards after the catch. Very few of Manziel’s passes from the 2013 season were deflected by defenders due to his ability to place the ball in a position where only his man can make a play on it. Many of Manziel’s inaccurate throws occur when he does not maintain consistent lower body mechanics. While charting the passes of many of the top quarterbacks in the 2014 class, I have found Manziel to be the most consistently accurate to all levels of the field thus far. Considering the fact that he is also the youngest quarterback in the class and only played two college seasons, this is a very impressive feat.
Johnny Manziel’s passes charted vs 9 teams during 2012. (Click to enlarge.)
As you can see, Manziel showed great improvement in his ball placement to all levels of the field between his redshirt freshman and sophomore seasons. Manziel’s ball placement on passes between six and 15 yards improved from 64.79% in (nine games from) 2012 to 70.48% in 2013. His ball placement on passes 15+ yards from the line of scrimmage improved from 47.62% in (nine games from) 2012 to 58.42% in 2013. Most impressively, Manziel’s ball placement on all passes 6+ yards from the line of scrimmage improved from 56.72% in (nine games from) 2012 to 64.56% in 2013.
All of Johnny Manziel’s passes 25+ yards from the line of scrimmage during the 2013 season charted. (Click to enlarge.)
Overall, Manziel shows good accuracy on his deep passes, but there is plenty of room for improvement. Manziel has proven that he can throw with a considerable amount of touch, but many of his deep misses from the pocket were slightly overthrown. Improved consistency in his lower body mechanics should lead to Manziel completing a higher percentage of his deep passes.
Decision Making
For the most part, Johnny Manziel does a good job of understanding the situation in the game, what needs to be done, and executing accordingly. However, there are times when he gets greedy and tries to force throws into windows that he should not test. It is evident that Manziel has supreme confidence in his ability and I expect him to always be the type of quarterback that takes risks with the football from time to time.
Eye Discipline
For such a young quarterback, Manziel is very impressive in his ability to look off safeties and make his intentions unknown until just before the ball comes out of his hand. He showed great strides in this area between the 2012 and 2013 seasons.
Field Vision
Although I am unable to fully evaluate Manziel’s ability to read a defense (no coach’s tape), I was very impressed with the strides that he made in his ability to find second, third, and fourth options in the passing game between his redshirt freshman and sophomore seasons. During 2012, Manziel lacked patience in the pocket and he would often take off running if his first read was not open. As a redshirt sophomore in 2013, Manziel regularly showed the ability to stand in the pocket and scan the field before making a decision with the football.
If he wishes to be great at the NFL level, Manziel must continue to improve in his ability to anticipate windows in the intermediate passing game. While he shows flashes of very good anticipation from time to time, there is still plenty of room for improvement.
Instincts
The area that separates Manziel from most football players is in his instincts, intuitiveness, creativity, and awareness on the field. Manziel possesses rare instincts that allow him to make plays that most other players are not capable of making. When he uses his athletic ability to get outside of the pocket, he is extremely difficult to defend because of his elusiveness in the open field combined with his ability to anticipate where defenders will be in proximity to his receivers. Overall, the game seems to move extremely slowly for Manziel and I believe that is the reason why he is able to make so many plays that most other players are incapable of making.
Conclusion
All in all, I view Johnny Manziel as the best quarterback prospect in the 2014 NFL Draft class. Manziel is a fiery competitor that lays it all on the line for his team each week. He is a hard worker that has produced at an extremely high level in the toughest conference in college football for each of the past two seasons. He is very accurate to all levels of the field, he possesses the necessary arm strength to make all of the throws at the NFL level, and he is a dynamic athlete with rare instincts. Although there are areas that he must improve upon, Manziel is a very advanced passer for a quarterback of his experience level.
If I were a GM in need of a quarterback, Johnny Manziel is the player that I would target early in the 2014 draft. The trait that separates the good quarterbacks from the great quarterbacks is in their ability to elevate the players around them. Manziel was in a situation at Texas A&M where he was forced to put his team on his back and produce big nearly every week to give his team a chance to win games. Overall, I expect Manziel to make the same type of impact on his team at the next level and that is why I believe that he is worthy of a top selection on May 8th.
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JM looks like a toothpick in those combine Hurley outfits. Thick quads/legs, but no upper body at all. Just lean muscle (and not much of it) and bone. Man I don't want to see a linebacker go untouched around the edge and get a clean wack on him. I don't think he'd get up...
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jc Jaws: I Wouldn’t Take Manziel In First Three Rounds Opinions on Johnny Manziel’s pro prospects are all over the map. And one analyst who apparently is not a big fan is Ron Jaworski. Speaking to Mike Missanelli on 97.5 The Fanatic, Jaworksi discussed Manziel’s reported meeting with the Eagles at the combine. "I'm a big believer in Nick Foles, but who knows?" Jaworski said. "Manziel may fall. I'm not crazy about him, to be honest with you. I've only looked at five games. I wouldn't take him in the first three rounds. That's my opinion. It's incomplete right now. But he has not done a whole lot to me." As we mentioned earlier today, an MMQB article reported that the Eagles were one of the teams that met with Manziel in Indianapolis. But this is information-gathering season. Coaches, GMs and personnel people are trying to learn as much as they can about the prospects before May. Meeting with the players is a huge part of what's gone on the past week. Last year, even after the combine, Chip Kelly, Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie traveled to Morgantown, W. Va. to work out Geno Smith. But when the draft rolled around, they showed little to no interest in selecting the QB. "There has to be an interest, but it may not necessarily be for the immediate time of this draft," Jaworski said. "But it's a way of stockpiling information on a guy, get to know him. And remember, no matter where he may be, the Eagles may have to play against him, so you can certainly gather information about him. Of course you gather a lot of that from film study, but I like the fact that they've interviewed him." But unless his opinion changes drastically in the coming weeks, Jaworski clearly wouldn't be a fan of the Eagles somehow ending up with Manziel. http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2014/02/25/jaws-wouldnt-take-manziel-first-three-rounds/
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Barry Switzer Thinks Johnny Manziel Is an 'Arrogant Little *CENSORED*' Barry Switzer ain't scared to share his opinion. And so when asked about Johnny Manziel, he got exceptionally real with his words, calling the former Texas A&M quarterback an "arrogant little .." Switzer, appearing on CBS Sports Radio 920 AM in St. Louis on Wednesday morning, said that he doesn't care for Manziel's "antics" and said he's "embarrassed himself." I'm gonna tell you. I said Johnny Manziel is … I don't like his antics. I think he's an arrogant little .," Switzer said. "I've said that and I'll say it again. He's a privileged kid, he's embarrassed himself, he's embarrassed his teammates, his program. He's embarrassed his coach. And they'll all have to defend him because they have to coach. I know that. I spent 40 years in the damn game so I know how it works." Well then. Those are strong words indeed. I don't know if Switzer thinks the phrase "arrogant little ." carries less weight than it does (maybe it's a Texas thing?) but that's a pretty personal attack on Manziel. Having said all that, Switzer LOVES the way Manziel plays the game and called Manziel "the best I've seen" and the "most dominant, dynamic college quarterback I've ever seen." "He's the best I've seen. I've never seen a quarterback in college football take control of a game like he does and put up the numbers he does. It's fantastic what he's done against good competition. Game after game after game the numbers he puts up are staggering," Switzer said. "And when you watch him, you think he's a running back. You can't get to him, he's quick, he has more quickness than he does speed. He's elusive. You can't touch him. ... Strong arm. You watch him on film and tape and I've watched him enough -- the guy is oblivious to the rush. He lets you think you're going to touch him and then he disappears and he gets away from you and buys time. When a guy does that, guys are going to separate. I don't care how good you are in pro football, you can't cover for more than five seconds. Then they're going to be free. "And Johnny Manziel gets the ball to people. He's the most dominant, most dynamic college quarterback I've ever seen." Manziel, or "Fourth-Round Johnny" as he's known in Bristol, is as polarizing a player as we've seen come into the draft in years. He's got all the talent but off-field "issues" (which aren't really issues, per se ...) have people concerned about his maturity. This offseason he's dedicated himself to becoming a better pocket quarterback and proving he's changed. Ultimately all that matters is whether or not Manziel can play. He's shown that he can at a college level. There will be plenty of people waiting to see if he sinks or swims at the next level. web page
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Sort of funny coming from Switzer. lol 
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Sort of funny coming from Switzer. lol
That's why Johnny had to hire a marketing firm, notice at the combine he became a gentleman.
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um... Fourth-Round Johnny ?! 
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I know, right. Sure makes you wonder. I just don't think his off field issues will follow him to the NFL. But I've seen a lot of idiots screw up their careers doing stupid stupid things.
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Sort of funny coming from Switzer. lol
That's why Johnny had to hire a marketing firm, notice at the combine he became a gentleman.
Yeah, like telling the Texans that if they didn't draft him, it would be the biggest mistake they could make LOL
A real Gentleman LOL
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Cleveland Browns like Derek Carr over Johnny Manziel Before the Browns parted ways with CEO Joe Banner and general manager Michael Lombardi, Cleveland was widely seen as an operation smitten with Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel. The team reportedly was "prepared to move heaven and earth" for the rookie passer of its choice, but NFL Media's Daniel Jeremiah says we've been focused on the wrong guy all along. "The one thing about the combine is, you get there, you're around all your contacts, a lot of different NFL people," Jeremiah told "The Dan Patrick Show" on Wednesday. "And it had been so out there that the Browns loved Manziel under the previous regime, and I talked to enough people that firmly believe that that was a total smokescreen." Said Jeremiah: "Their guy is (Fresno State quarterback) Derek Carr and they're going to take a different player with the fourth pick and they want to take Derek Carr with their second one (at No. 26). ... I heard that from several different places." On paper, a more manageable plan with the Jaguars sitting at No. 3, one spot ahead of Cleveland. "I think Jacksonville is the first place I look," Jeremiah said of a Manziel landing spot. Both Jeremiah and NFL Media's Mike Mayock rank Carr fourth among quarterback prospects behind Teddy Bridgewater, Manziel and Blake Bortles. Carr, of course, has plenty of work to do to equal Manziel's charming words for Browns fans. "I'm going to pour my heart out for the Dawg Pound and try to win a Super Bowl for Cleveland," Manziel said before the combine. "I don't care if they've had 20 starting quarterbacks since 1999. I'm going to be the 21st and the guy that brought them the Super Bowl." Sounds like a plan, except -- from where we stand today -- the Browns plan to make someone else the 21st guy. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...-johnny-manziel
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Here is the issue I have.....
"And it had been so out there that the Browns loved Manziel under the previous regime, and I talked to enough people that firmly believe that that was a total smokescreen."
Well, the previous regime has been canned. So now what?
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um... Fourth-Round Johnny ?!
I think he meant 4th pick Johnny. 
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um... Fourth-Round Johnny ?!
That might be a value pick. 
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"I heard that from several different places."
Translation: "Lombardi told me in the men's room, and again at the water fountain."
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Translation: "Lombardi told me in the men's room, and again at the water fountain."
....and again at the buffet line.
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Given how tight lipped the browns have been (in particular Farmer and Pettine) I find it hard to believe they said that to anyone. UNLESS it's misdirection.
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What else is new? It's been this way for a long time.
You have to take everything with a grain of salt.
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Jaws also believe that Joe Flacco is an elite QB and that Colin Kaepernick might be the greatest QB that the NFL has ever seen. I take his opinions with a grain of salt.
I've seen Manziel play and I've read quite a few articles regarding the kid and honestly I'm a big fan of what I think he could bring to the table. Manziel would bring an attitude and moxie to Cleveland that we have not seen in years upon years. Sure his size and "attitude" could be a potential issue, but an NFL locker room is going to humble a kid real quickly. With some experience, coaching and adequate weapons and protection around him I firmly believe Manziel could succeed and turn Cleveland into a winner. To me he's the kind of player that elevates the players around them and makes them better.
Having confidence doesn't necessarily make you a spoiled little punk, I've read that his coaches and teammates loved playing with him.
I hope he's a Brown once the draft is over.
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Carr wont be there at 26 but he is my top QB. Would love to see him in a Browns uniform along with Evans who is my #1 player overall. Draft Carr let him sit and absorb for a year and give Hoyer a chance to prove himself. Bridgewater is more ready to go right now but Carr imho has the greater upside.
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Daniel Jeremiah (the source of this report) was a scout for the Browns in 2007-2008. Quote:
Daniel Jeremiah is a former scout for three different NFL teams. Most recently, he was the West Coast scout for the Philadelphia Eagles from 2010 to 2012. He previously worked as a national scout with the Cleveland Browns (2007-08) and a West Coast scout for the Baltimore Ravens (2005-06), after initially joining the team as a personnel assistant from 2003 to 2004. Jeremiah graduated in 2000 from Appalachian State, where he started at quarterback for three seasons.
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I think he meant 4th pick Johnny.
IMO he is boom or bust kinda QB. it does seem that most of these boom or bust kinda kids bust out.
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Carr wont be there at 26 but he is my top QB. Would love to see him in a Browns uniform along with Evans who is my #1 player overall. Draft Carr let him sit and absorb for a year and give Hoyer a chance to prove himself. Bridgewater is more ready to go right now but Carr imho has the greater upside.
Carr is a sack waiting to happen. Unlike his brother, he won't have an inferior OL to blame.
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Daniel Jeremiah is a former scout for three different NFL teams. Most recently, he was the West Coast scout for the Philadelphia Eagles from 2010 to 2012. He previously worked as a national scout with the Cleveland Browns (2007-08) and a West Coast scout for the Baltimore Ravens (2005-06), after initially joining the team as a personnel assistant from 2003 to 2004. Jeremiah graduated in 2000 from Appalachian State, where he started at quarterback for three seasons.
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2007 - 2008 ... or in Cleveland terms ...... 2 owners 5 coaches, and 5 GMs ago. 
Wow that is just unbelievable.
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You have to take everything with a grain of salt.
Yup,, hard to disagree
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This article is very believeable.
Farmer was at the Senior Bowl all week. Carr had a good week there. He threw the ball well the first days when the wind was bad. He is a four year player. He had a good combine. He has good measurables.
Farmer has alluded to taking a guy that is not the latest greatest. Pettine has interviewed Watkins and they like him. Never did I believe the hype of the Browns and Manziel. If ever there was a planted story that was it. Very much like Lombardi because of his contacts in the media to leak a story like that.
If the Browns pull this move it is to my way of thinking a good example of over playing and over thinking the process. Both Pettine and Farmer have mentioned that true franchise guys are rare. That they come in any round etc. etc.
Carr looks the role. Talks the talk. Has the numbers. Has the arm. Has the size. Has the speed.
What he does not have is the ability to handle pressure and operate under chaos. When the game speeds up he crumbles.
Staring right at Farmer and the Browns is a true franchise player Teddy Bridgewater. If they think that pulling this move is somehow clever it will prove to be another case of: "I wish we would have".
Watkins is a good player. I like him alot. That is not the point. The mission is to get the best quarterback. Carr and Watkins does not equal Bridgewater and pick 26.
If the Browns do not take Bridgewater if he is there at 4 it will prove to be a colossal mistake. I would move to get him with pick 26 but at this point I know that will not happen.
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WRONG...the mission is to make the Browns the best team possible...that might mean taking a QB or it might not.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Do the Browns need a quarterback?
Has that not been stated from Haslam on down that quarterback is a high priority?
The mission is to assemble the best team possible and that starts with quarterback when you do not have one.
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It also does not mean choosing a QB, just to take a QB. If they don't like whats there at #4 I sure don't want them to take one just to appease the fans
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The problem I see is there is a big assumption that Bridgewater will be there at #4.
Houston will probably take a QB. The Rams will probably trade down. The is no controlling who moves to that spot, but history shows that if anything prompts a team to move up, it is in search of a QB. The Jags are a fairly good bet to take a QB.
Something tells me it is a pretty good bet Bridgewater won't be there when we select at #4, it is moronic for one to say Bridgewater and pick 26 is better than Watkins and Carr. Really? I doubt that anybody could figure that out.
He is comparing fantasy to a realistic possibility.
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Do the Browns need a quarterback?
Probably...
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Has that not been stated from Haslam on down that quarterback is a high priority?
Yes....so what is your point???
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The mission is to assemble the best team possible and that starts with quarterback when you do not have one.
And see this is why you are not paid to find them talent....for suppose the hypothetical situation...suppose you do all of your homework and Teddy Bridgewater isn't even as good as say Chad Pennington(a LATE first rounder in 2000) and Bridgewater is the BEST of the QB's....do you still spend a #4 draft pick on him????especially if Clowney, Watkins, Robinson, Khalil and a few others are still on the board????
I am not saying Bridgewater is or isn't as good a Pennington....I am not attacking Bridgewater or picking a QB.....in fact while I do prefer pick QB later...I am not enamored with the QB talent in this draft as overpriced it is, I am all for grabbing that player IF and ONLY IF there isn't another player that could help us more(which frankly I believe to be the case due to our situation).....But that is not what I am attacking here...Whether you have QB or not...you don't go reaching just because of a need.
I am attacking a philosophy of drafting. Some say draft for need...like what you are saying....some say draft the best player available.....I say you need the draft the person that improves your team the most. It is a balance of need and best player. They have to come together. There are plenty of times where a great player comes along at a position where you may be sitting ...OK at...and there might also be a good or decent player at a position of need....
In most cases you have to take that Great player...because he is going to change the way the game is played for your team...He will earn the position and be given nothing. Tthe good or decent player is usually going to be placed into play before he is ready because there is no one else and the chance for success lessens greatly. Ideally you would want the GREAT player available for a position of need...see Indy with Manning AND Luck....But it just doesn't really work out like that all that often... And just the reverse...sometimes a great player domes along where you are sitting with perrenial ProBowlers....I believe you have to pass.you are not helping your team...
So when I say the mission is improving the team as much as possible I truly mean it...But you know if that meant SKIPPING the pick of a QB this year because they all ended up sucking(hypothetical situation)...I would be ok with that.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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The mission is to assemble the best team possible
Yup.
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and that starts with quarterback when you do not have one.
Not necessarily.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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" it is a pretty good bet Bridgewater won't be there when we select at #4, it is moronic for one to say Bridgewater and pick 26 is better than Watkins and Carr. Really? I doubt that anybody could figure that out."
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Moronic hey?
Let us review. Bridgewater is a better QB prospect than Carr. You want to argue that ?
By all accounts this is a very deep draft in receivers. Do you agree or disagree? Will there be a good receiver available at 26?
Do the Browns have other needs that could be addressed at 26? Even if you take BPA?
Think what you want to think.\
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j/c
I don't believe any single player or position can help a team more than the QB.
If you bypass the answer at the position and you don't address the position properly, you have failed.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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If you bypass the answer at the position and you don't address the position properly, you have failed.
So then if properly means waiting because you don't have a high grade on any QB, is that alright, or should we reach just to take a QB high?
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Yeah, like telling the Texans that if they didn't draft him, it would be the biggest mistake they could make LOL
A real Gentleman LOL ??? ???
Huh...you do realize those are almost verbatim on what and how Payton Manning spoke to the Colts - you know the Gentlemen's Gentleman. Actually its folklore and praised...meanwhile you are pretty much calling him a punk/low life or something for making the EXACT SAME STATEMENT???
Sorry you lost me on that one.
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If you bypass the answer at the position and you don't address the position properly, you have failed.
So then if properly means waiting because you don't have a high grade on any QB, is that alright, or should we reach just to take a QB high?
If you have them graded wrong, it doesn't really matter how you had them graded does it?
My point is, if say we pass on Bridgewater at #4 given he's available, and he becomes a very successful QB? And they draft a guy like Carr and he fails? It's a failure.
It's really that simple. If you pass on a franchise QB and draft a dud, you screwed up and set your team back. It means you graded the position wrong.
You don't draft a QB just to draft a QB. However, you are paid to make evaluations correctly. If you can't do your job, you failed.
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Makes sense to me. I just get the feeling some on here want to draft a QB at #4 just to draft one and the talk coming from our FO is their just not enamered with anyone. Could be smoke. Won't know until we draft.
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Yeah, like telling the Texans that if they didn't draft him, it would be the biggest mistake they could make LOL
A real Gentleman LOL
??? ???
Huh...you do realize those are almost verbatim on what and how Payton Manning spoke to the Colts - you know the Gentlemen's Gentleman. Actually its folklore and praised...meanwhile you are pretty much calling him a punk/low life or something for making the EXACT SAME STATEMENT???
Sorry you lost me on that one.
No, I didn't know that, and No, it doesn't change my thinking. I don't find that kinda "calling out" to be gentlemanly.
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