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At one time Thad Lewis was 3rd string here, now he is 2nd in Buffalo, and played well enough last year.
So progression can happen.
Weeden, well his age is against him, maybe the light will come on, but chances are we have seen the most of him.
I am in the court of drafting 2 QB's and letting Hoyer go into camp as the incumbent, until one of them emerges.
I agree. Lets draft Bridgewater at #2 and Logan Thomas in the 7th and let them duke it out 
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True, I do take your words and use them as if you're lobbying for Weeden to be starter. For this, I apologize.
Saying there is value in him as a third string guy could actually be something I'd agree with. Just still don't want him as a third stringer on this team. As for Jason or Weeden, i'd prefer neither really. I'd guess if we had to select between 30+ year olds between those two, I'd take Jason for the fact he's had a more productive career as a starter and a little more experience than Weeden and his mentoring role would be beneficial.
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Lets draft Bridgewater at #2 and Logan Thomas in the 7th and let them duke it out
Logan Thomas would beat Teddy Bridgewater to a pulp. A death match? That would certainly sell tickets. 
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I can think of a 5 to 10 QB's that would be above Thomas... aka Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.
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I don't want Weeden on this team. Just the idea of him being able to come into the game scares me. Seeing him on the sideline annoys me.
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I don't want Weeden on this team. Just the idea of him being able to come into the game scares me. Seeing him on the sideline annoys me.
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I guess I don't see value in keeping Weeden. I don't think he's going to provide any cushion if the starter gets injured. I don't believe we or any other team for that matter, can win with him at the helm. Sure doesn't look that way. (I'd suppose you never know, someone will most lkely want to take a flyer but probably not as a starter.)
I'd rather take the CAP bite now for his guarantee and let it go at that. I'd rather keep Hoyer and get two young guys or one rook and one vet that knows he's not starting unless 1. Wins the job in camp, or 2. comes off the bench if an injury occurs to the starter who ever that is.
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I'm completely fine with dumping both Campbell and Weeden, bringing in a guy like Grossman or Shuab who know the system, and drafting someone...
Let the best guy start... What a crazy concept that we usually claim to do, but never really do...
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I believe Grossman makes a lot of sense. However, I do believe there may be a market for Shaub.
Depending on which direction we go in the draft, I believe will make a big difference no just how much of an investment they will wish to make on who they want to bring in.
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Depending on which direction we go in the draft, I believe will make a big difference no just how much of an investment they will wish to make on who they want to bring in.
You lost me here, Pit. Can you elaborate further?
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I'll do my best but mind you, this is my opinion and strictly conjecture.
We have Hoyer who has shown promise in his limited action. I saw nothing overwhelming, but cause for optimism there. So I don't believe this coaching staff would put all of their eggs in one basket with Hoyer.
So that leaves two options with which you can use as competition for the #1 QB position. A high draft pick or a seasoned veteran with enough experience and success for a legitimate competition.
So it would seem to me that if you make a high draft pick like Bridgewater, you would be more than likely to bring in someone like Grossman who knows the system, but probably would not be considered any stiff competition for the #1 QB position with Hoyer and Bridgewater on the roster.
If in fact they choose to draft more of a project QB a little later in the draft who may need more time to develop, a would believe it may increase the likelihood of spending a little more money in someone like Shaub. while I don't consider him a great QB, he has had enough success in the NFL to be a viable QB in case he is needed and legitimate competition as our #1 QB.
While both Grossamn and Shaub know Shanahans system, I just don't see it likely you would go into the season with a possible 3rd scenario. Which would be Hoyer, Grossman and a project draft pick.
Once again this is just my opinion, but I do believe you need somewhat of two viable options at the QB position with the limited game experience of Hoyer. I simply don't see Grossman as that guy.
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Is schuab going to be available. What I mean is that are the Texans thinking QB with the first pick and letting Schaub go or are they planning on keeping Schaub and grooming someone to take over either later in year one or start in year 2.
I know you can't know that for sure of course, but what's your opinion?
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Logan Thomas is that the kid from West Virginia?
I think he a good developmental prospect...the kid I saw at the combine who ran the fastest...I did like his arm as well. Definitely has to improve technique...ergo developmental
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I really have no idea when it comes to Shaub. I do know that having a new HC in Bill O'Brian and with Shaub having a 14 mil. cap hit, if they aren't truly sold on him, they won't re-sign him. Reports are all over the board on him but as far as I know nothing really gives a clear indication one way or the other.
I'm simply looking at it from an investment standpoint. I don't believe you enter a season with Hoyer, Grossman and a developmental guy. I believe the investment is too low and the risk is too high.
I believe if you're drafting a developmental guy, you'll need a veteran presence far greater than Grossman brings to the table. I mean the last time we had a QB play all 16 games, Couch was the QB. I just don't see how you start this season off without a big investment somewhere. Whether that be the draft or the FA market.
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tab, he is from Virginia Tech. Great size, big arm, fast. All the measurables. Can't read defenses or coverages, inaccurate, wildly inconsistent, disappointing.
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Well, most free agent QB's we've brought in really never has or did translate to much on the field. Just to bomb out some names here: Garcia, Dilfer, Delhomme, Campbell, Wallace and the list continues...
To me, that leaves just the high draft pick option. In which I would agree, a signing of a veteran that knows the system would be very beneficial (as long as it isn't Kirk Cousins lol). This would be a direct result of releasing both Weeden and Jason and I am OK for that for Schuab or Grossman. I'd prefer Grossman though.
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Well, most free agent QB's we've brought in really never has or did translate to much on the field. Just to bomb out some names here: Garcia, Dilfer, Delhomme, Campbell, Wallace and the list continues...
I don't disagree with you. I was just exploring what I felt were possible paths they may choose to walk down. Not that I really advocate signing a high tier FA. Which some of those you mentioned I would consider more of a Grossman than a Shaub type signing.
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To me, that leaves just the high draft pick option. In which I would agree, a signing of a veteran that knows the system would be very beneficial (as long as it isn't Kirk Cousins lol). This would be a direct result of releasing both Weeden and Jason and I am OK for that for Schuab or Grossman. I'd prefer Grossman though.
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I'm in your corner here. I believe we've put off "paying the price" to get a long term answer at the QB position. I believe the time to address it was yesterday. But since it didn't happen, now would be fine.
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I can think of a 5 to 10 QB's that would be above Thomas... aka Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.
See above, eo, He is from Virginia Tech.
The only development he needs is as a TE.
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yeah thanks I think the guy I was talking about. Got it - worth a late round investment - 6th 7th rounds...worse case maybe a Wildcat guy - I really didn't like Gray doing it last season.
But a kid you try to develop and in 3 years let loose or keep. Nothing lost but a roster spot.
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Keeping a player you never want to see play again? Really? What is the logic in that?
Please I understand its a message board and communication sometimes gets a little off but think this out before you go and Downgrade me...and others.
We are talking about our 3rd String QB... I'll take in the other direction and sort of insult you the same way.
REALLY? What is in the logic of WANTING YOUR 3rd STRING QB to PLAY?
I even made it very clear that I really don't mind who becomes the 3rd string guy...another late round rookie, Campbell, Weeden nor Tanney. What I don't want is to see them anytime with a helmet on...just as long as we see them in the Baseball Cap come Game day.
And you know...what ever team I would follow I would think the same way.
And the he's going to and already is a cancer. No insult but I trust certain things I don't care how unstable the Browns are...If he is we will Cut his butt...pure and simple. Taking your SPECULATION as fact...ehhh excuse me for waiting. The guys in communication with him will get that FACT or Fiction...I have no doubt he will be cut.
Actually I don't know what is the RUSH you got there. Hey if he's a cancer I ain't dong him any favors. Let everyone get their FA QBs...let every one draft a QB then cut his butt. Why reward him by cutting him now. If it just happens this was just a want to compete for the starting position I don't blame any football player for wanting that. But to state an opinion of yours as a FACT now or soon to be. Sorry I cannot say - yep it must be so CUT HIS BUTT. I'll wait. No rush. I sure as heck will not reward him with a release early. He wants to make the Browns miserable - then he gets treated miserably back.
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He wants out. I would give him his waliking papers. I'm not as much in a hurry as Weeden is.. I don't want to see him on the sidelines even as a #3.
And no, I never wish to see the #3 QB play.
How many times in the last 5 years has our #3QB played? .... And you don't want to see Weeden play again, while there is a pretty good chance he will if he's here.
And FYI...Asking what is the logic in that, is not an insult or downgrade. Sorry if I hurt any ego's here... Not really 
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I don't want to see him on the sidelines even as a #3. well gee, that settles it...lol
As for ego and that crap...I was rather patient in my post but it seemed your egotistical feathers got more ruffled than mine. Man it would actually help if you read your posts 
1. I know too many season we had our #3 starting. Including last year, not in 2012. But way too often.
2. I'm hoping to actually be competitive when that is true we shouldn't get into the #3's.
3. Again though I'd rater have Weeden Starting than...Matt Simms of the Jets. Tyrod Taylor of the Ravens - sometimes a pup just doesn't want to learn.
all I got from your post is that you "HATE" Weeden regardless of what is good for the team. Again he is an attitude problem we will cut him no big deal. Cause you read something and obviously HATE him you say he has to go.
Well I don't wish for us to cave in to a players WANTS - when its convenient for us to let him go we will. Its convenient for him if we let him go know and he gets on the first wave of FA.
One of us had a hissy fit...It wasn't me.
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not in 2012
thought thad lewis started the last game that year against pukesburgh?
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yeah I know Weeden didn't play the entire season. But I remembered he played like 13 before getting hurt not real bad hurt...but it was like Season over who cares so my memory blacked out.
Still did we get to #3 Snake...errrr Seneca Wallace n Lewis or was the Lewis start a Why Not start?
Well fact it is has happened a lot in the past.
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Weeden will be relased next week, once free agency starts.
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I bet you are right 
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I hate Weeden...That's all you got? You ASSumed I somehow insulted you, so yeah, I ASSumed the ego crap.
Weeden stated he wants out. I bet he gets his wish. It's not hate. I thought Weeden may still have a shot at making the team until this.
UNLIKE YOU, I never want a player on my team, that doesn't want to be on my team. So yeah, there you have it, we disagree.
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Why not now? Why "announce" to release a player 5 days from now? Anyone?
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Why not now? Why "announce" to release a player 5 days from now? Anyone?
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Why not now? Why "announce" to release a player 5 days from now? Anyone
Becuase this player "announced" he wanted out of Cleveland were just doing what our players ask us to do.
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He is being released now. Not Monday.
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Maybe the person that handles the processing out cut players is out for the rest of the week, lol?
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Nevermind about that Monday part.
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....oh well, party on for all haters
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Wait, it's Monday??
What happened to my weekend??!!?
Cya Weeden. I had high hopes for you after the early part of 2012, but you just never progressed. Better luck elsewhere; just not against us.
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Don't you have some fence to ride now that some body part grew 
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