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yeah i agree, not sure if it was grant being fired that woke them up or they decided to finally play together. But it looks nothing like the the first half of season. I'm curious if we are buyers who we are going after, players i'd move/upgrade would be, Jack, Clark, Thompson, Andy, Bennett. I think we have too many mid level forwards and they all are very limited offensively. I think bennett might have turned a corner. I'd like to move Thompson/andy for a legit big and see how Bennett responds with starter minutes. Thompson is just flat out bad..horrible pick..when you are a PF shooting 44% from the field...you don't belong in the nba. I'd trade andy just because he's old and made of glass. He'd be a good energy guy off the bench like he started with us..perfect role for him. He get's abused by 5's in this league and it takes a toll on his body. Or if we get a true center, i'd be ok with him moving back to the 4. Really wish we tried to keep speights, ellington and livingston. I liked those guys and they fit into the defensive mindset of brown.
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*Sigh* I hope that we can keep him and continue this turn around. On the other hand, he does play the same position as another certain future free agent who many still think may be heading back to Cleveland. (though I do not think that will be the case, which is why I want to see Deng brought back) Report: Cavaliers shopping Luol Deng, worried he won't re-sign - CBSSports.com http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bask...he-wont-re-signThe Cleveland Cavaliers were ready to make a push toward the playoffs early last month when they traded Andrew Bynum's non fully guaranteed contract and three draft picks to the Chicago Bulls for Luol Deng. The All-Star forward was going to help them reverse the losing culture in Cleveland and help them right a ship in the weak Eastern Conference to give their young guys a brief taste of playoff success. Then the wheels fell off the Cavs, Chris Grant was fired as the general manager, and dysfunction seemed to be running rampant in the organization. Since then, a five-game winning streak has put them back in the playoff hunt and there is less stress going on with the Cavs right now. But that may not stop them from shopping the newly acquired Deng to see what kind of assets he might bring in a deadline deal. Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com is reporting the Cavs are shopping him because of concern about his upcoming free agency. As they evaluate their team and try to make a deal to help them get into the playoffs, the Cleveland Cavaliers are making recently acquired Luol Deng available ahead of Thursday's trade deadline, multiple league sources told ESPN.com. The Cavs traded three future draft picks and Andrew Bynum to the Chicago Bulls to acquire Deng on Jan. 7. But the deal hasn't yet worked out how either side hoped. Cleveland isn't determined to trade Deng, but with his impending free agency a concern, new general manager David Griffin is testing the market to see what the veteran forward might bring. Getting value for Deng may be a challenge because his contract expires in June. He cannot be packaged with another Cavs player in a deal due to trade rules, though trades can be structured in a way to get around this issue if the sides are motivated enough. This would be a pretty big change for the Cavs right away. If they're truly worried about re-signing Deng this summer, then it makes sense to move him and get something in return. The Cavs are 10-10 since acquiring Deng, which is good but it's also boosted by a sudden shift in the win column with this current winning streak. They're still just 21-33 on the season, good for 10th in the East and three games behind the Bobcats for the 8-seed. Deng has averaged 14.6 points and 4.9 rebounds while shooting 41.5 percent from the field in 18 games with the Cavs.
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Thompson is just flat out bad..horrible pick..when you are a PF shooting 44% from the field...you don't belong in the nba.
I'm confused...are you talking about adjusted percentage?
Because using the above quoted criteria, Kevin Love does not belong in the NBA.
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Wa skeptical of Deng. Hated him with Duke and I hated him with Chicago.
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Thompson is just flat out bad..horrible pick..when you are a PF shooting 44% from the field...you don't belong in the nba.
I'm confused...are you talking about adjusted percentage?
Because using the above quoted criteria, Kevin Love does not belong in the NBA.
Nor would LaMarcus Aldridge.
I agree with leadtheway's other sentiments but have to disagree about TT.
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Agreed ... I don't get the mentality in Cleveland sports where if the guy isn't putting up All-Star level stats, he's a total bum and doesn't belong in the league. The guy is averaging a near double-double this season. We have much bigger issues than the PF.
Lead ... I do agree that we have too many PF's and not enough Centers. That seems to have always been our problem. We only want to use tweener PFs that are too undersized for the center position. Or super-tall un-athletic guys that can't really play either.
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Tt is a good player, he just had no range to loosen up the defense. If we cant get another big i would have no problem moving him.
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maybe saying he don't belong in the NBA is a bit harsh...lol, but i still think i try to move him.. he's young, potential possibly, but he's very limited offensively and most PF's abuse him down low. I'd love him off the bench..he's an energy guy like andy that likes to be around the basket..problem is on offense it clogs the lane. We have too many PF on the team..and not a true center outside of Sims, and I don't think I want to go to battle with him as my center. I think Andy is our best bargaining chip along with either TT and waiters, and I love andy to death, he made basketball fun when he first hit the scene and he's done everything asked of him, its not his fault he's not a true center. He's added a mid-range jumpshot now, that makes him a much better PF if we can get a center. I really don't want to trade waiters, i think he is turning out to be a very good player since he got over himself and the desire to start. He realizes he's going to get alot of minutes and he's the star of the second team. His game is alot like kyrie's so its nice to have him available to come in or spot start. I hear we are talking about moving Jack for Terry, not sure how that helps us. Also rumored to be interested in Barnes and Kaman, I think i'd be interested in either of those. Couldn't' hurt having kyries best friend on the team and Kaman is solid, nothing fancy, but i think he could allow andy to move back to PF. I wish cousins was available. Talk the last two years they were shopping him.
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Terry is reportedly on his way to Sacramento. I am fine with missing out on him.
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the thing about Terry and Thornton (going to Brooklyn in the deal) is that either contract would have ended sooner than Jack's.
Thornton is the one player of the 3 with obvious upside. he makes more per year the next 2 years, but it'd basically be a 1.5 year audition for him to prove that this year is the fluke. I would have been up for that gamble.
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maybe saying he don't belong in the NBA is a bit harsh...lol, but i still think i try to move him.. he's young, potential possibly, but he's very limited offensively and most PF's abuse him down low. I'd love him off the bench..he's an energy guy like andy that likes to be around the basket..problem is on offense it clogs the lane. We have too many PF on the team..and not a true center outside of Sims, and I don't think I want to go to battle with him as my center. I think Andy is our best bargaining chip along with either TT and waiters, and I love andy to death, he made basketball fun when he first hit the scene and he's done everything asked of him, its not his fault he's not a true center. He's added a mid-range jumpshot now, that makes him a much better PF if we can get a center. I really don't want to trade waiters, i think he is turning out to be a very good player since he got over himself and the desire to start. He realizes he's going to get alot of minutes and he's the star of the second team. His game is alot like kyrie's so its nice to have him available to come in or spot start. I hear we are talking about moving Jack for Terry, not sure how that helps us. Also rumored to be interested in Barnes and Kaman, I think i'd be interested in either of those. Couldn't' hurt having kyries best friend on the team and Kaman is solid, nothing fancy, but i think he could allow andy to move back to PF. I wish cousins was available. Talk the last two years they were shopping him.
Hmm ..... Cousins ........ I seem to recall a certain poster bringing his name up this past off-season, and that same poster was called all kinds of stupid by some other posters, especially one poster in particular.
I wonder if your suggestion that Cousins (if healthy) could be a nice piece will meet with the same reaction it did when I suggested him as a possibility. We'll see.  Just be warned that it might.
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maybe saying he don't belong in the NBA is a bit harsh...lol, but i still think i try to move him.. he's young, potential possibly, but he's very limited offensively and most PF's abuse him down low. I'd love him off the bench..he's an energy guy like andy that likes to be around the basket..problem is on offense it clogs the lane. We have too many PF on the team..and not a true center outside of Sims, and I don't think I want to go to battle with him as my center. I think Andy is our best bargaining chip along with either TT and waiters, and I love andy to death, he made basketball fun when he first hit the scene and he's done everything asked of him, its not his fault he's not a true center. He's added a mid-range jumpshot now, that makes him a much better PF if we can get a center. I really don't want to trade waiters, i think he is turning out to be a very good player since he got over himself and the desire to start. He realizes he's going to get alot of minutes and he's the star of the second team. His game is alot like kyrie's so its nice to have him available to come in or spot start. I hear we are talking about moving Jack for Terry, not sure how that helps us. Also rumored to be interested in Barnes and Kaman, I think i'd be interested in either of those. Couldn't' hurt having kyries best friend on the team and Kaman is solid, nothing fancy, but i think he could allow andy to move back to PF. I wish cousins was available. Talk the last two years they were shopping him.
Hmm ..... Cousins ........ I seem to recall a certain poster bringing his name up this past off-season, and that same poster was called all kinds of stupid by some other posters, especially one poster in particular.
I wonder if your suggestion that Cousins (if healthy) could be a nice piece will meet with the same reaction it did when I suggested him as a possibility. We'll see. Just be warned that it might.
I would love to get Cousins. Don't know why anyone wouldn't, outside of character concerns (or an over-inflated opinion of TT, maybe).
Don't know that he's available, though, and if he was, I doubt that we have the ammo to get him.
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Don't know that he's available, and if he was, I doubt that we have the ammo to get him.
the only possibility at Cousins was if the new owner of the Kings was worried about his on-court and off-court antics. I was among the ones that wanted us to pursue the possibility.
that time has passed unless Boogie does something stupid again. there's no way the Kings let him go. there are at least 25 teams in the NBA looking for a big man like him.
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Has anyone figured out why we drafted a 6' 8" Power Forward? Did they think he could play the 3? Or what? Ugh. I hate undersized PFs on 2k... 
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Agreed.
And like I said, even if he was available, I don't know what we could put together to get him, unless the Kings really liked Waiters or something. Even then, if I'm the Kings, I don't move him for TT and Waiters. I'd want more. Unprotected picks or something.
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Has anyone figured out why we drafted a 6' 8" Power Forward?
Did they think he could play the 3?
Or what?
Ugh. I hate undersized PFs on 2k...
Are you talking about Bennett? Because he is like 6'5" and change (measured 6'7" in shoes, which are usually good for about 1.5 inches.)
Yes he is listed at 6'8". Listed heights and weights in sports are often just ballpark figures.
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I just feel bad for guys like Bennet and Derrick Williams.
You were "tall enough" in college to be a PF technically, but not in the NBA, and you have nowhere near the skill set to be a SF in the NBA, Beasley was like that too..
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Those guys can still succeed though with their wingspan.
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Mike Brown ball almost cost them tonight. Good to see them pull it out, Zeller was huge, Tyler is so fundamentally sound, if he just had the body to go with it he'd be a beast. We need to upgrade the dellededova/sims fiasco. deli while a good hustle guy and plays ok defense...watching him run the offense or shoot is like torture, theres better in dleague than him. Same with Sims, we are so light in the ass down low. Until we get that addressed better teams will just dominate us inside. Looks like CJ going to be out a spell, that ankle looked really bad. Hopefully waiters comes back friday.
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Zeller has improved his body so much from last year though. I almost wonder if he can improve even more this coming off-season.
Last year it was almost painful seeing how scrawny he was. This year he looks like an NBA player. He'll never be Shaq or Dwight Howard, but I think that he can be a plus level backup.
Man, losing both Miles and Waiters really hurts. Hopefully Waiters will be back for Friday's game at Toronto.
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I just feel bad for guys like Bennet and Derrick Williams.
You were "tall enough" in college to be a PF technically, but not in the NBA, and you have nowhere near the skill set to be a SF in the NBA, Beasley was like that too..
I feel bad when GM's draft them ... for the team I root for. I don't understand why you should EVER draft a Tweener player. Regardless of how they did in college, has there been any non-center player that was a "tweener" that turned out to be a really great Pro? About the only time it works is with PF and Center and the guy is freakishly athletic and 7'0 ... aka Garnett and Dwight Howard. Everyone else who can't fit into a position just seems destined for the bench.
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Regardless of how they did in college, has there been any non-center player that was a "tweener" that turned out to be a really great Pro?
Charles Barkley, off the top of my head.
But I agree completely with the premise of your point. If a guy lacks a defined NBA position, he better be such a skilled athlete that there's a really high probability he can go up or down.
If the odds aren't extremely favorable, he's a second rounder.
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What was his tweener positions though? He played Center in college, but with his size, I think PF was his obvious NBA position. I don't think anyone really had him penciled in as a SF.
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But I agree completely with the premise of your point. If a guy lacks a defined NBA position, he better be such a skilled athlete that there's a really high probability he can go up or down.
If the odds aren't extremely favorable, he's a second rounder.
Yeah, that's really what I'm getting at ... if you can't look at a guy in the draft, and say "Yeah, he's definitely going to be decent at X position", then don't bother. When you look at guys like Bennett and Derrick Williams and say, "Well if we can get him to drop some weight/put on some weight, then maybe ..." That's your first major sign that he's not worth the pick.
But like you said, freakish athletes are kind of exempt from this. People were pondering if Lebron could play anything 1 through 4 ... but with his athleticism, it really more of a question of, "where would he be best at" not "can he do that".
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How is a 6'5 guy an obvious NBA 4?
Barkley is the perfect example of a 'tweener' - too small to play the 4 or 5, not skilled/athletic enough to play the 3.
But he was an exception to the rule.
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How is a 6'5 guy an obvious NBA 4?
Barkley is the perfect example of a 'tweener' - too small to play the 4 or 5, not skilled/athletic enough to play the 3.
But he was an exception to the rule.
6'6 "large body" that was a big rebounder and the post game of a Center. While yes, he didn't have the prototypical height of a PF, I think it was pretty obvious that he wasn't going to be a Small Forward or a Center. I think he had a position, it was just more a question of if he could overcome his height difference.
Size-wise, yes you could say he's a tweener ... but you still have to go back 20 years to have a decent example ... 
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Barkley was incredibly strong, even when appearing to be .... round ........ and out of shape, was explosive, and had a massive wingspan and reach. Despite being only 6'5", I bet that his standing reach was equal to guys 2"- 4" taller. He could be a rock, and immovable when he needed to be, yet was surprisingly lively and explosive. He was massive for his height .... going what .... 250-260#? (or more) Despite that, he still had ups. I think that he was definitely a one of a kind player, who had all of the attributes necessary to overcome a lack of height at PF.
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The only "tweeners" I'm okay with are guys that are the 6'6 or 6'7 and play SG / SF. The SG position in the NBA is so weak right now that you can get away with guys like that.
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Looking at our schedule and March is going to be insanely brutal. However, April will be the polar opposite. The toughest team will be Atlanta. They play @Orlando, Charlotte, Detroit, Boston, Brooklynn and @Milwaukee. That's it.
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we have gained 6.5 games on Atlanta the last 2 weeks.
we are 4.5 games out of the 5seed despite being a .400 team.
gotta love the East.
I think that 41 wins are needed for the 5 seed (19-8 isn't happening)
I think that 39 wins is probably enough for the 6 seed (17-10 is still a huge stretch)
But, I think that 36 wins probably gets us in the playoffs (14-13 --- Yaay East!).
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a legit 7fter with range out to 3pt land? he's not a great player, but he's a very good backup C in the NBA. I'll take it.
so, Jordan Hill or Spencer Hawes? well, Hawes has better height, but Hill is a grittier player. Considering we can use the 3pt shooting though, probably better that we got Hawes (I hate myself a little for saying that though, love Hill).
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I like the move. Can never have enough 7 footers, and I don't think this organization needs 2nd round picks at this point. This team is very young as it is.
I know they haven't exactly been playing the murderer's row of the NBA, but it really looks like they have figured out some things.
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A 7 footer with range? This might help alleviate some of the spacing issues down low.
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A 7 footer with range? This might help alleviate some of the spacing issues down low.
pair Tyler w/ Bennett & Tristan w/ Hawes.
(and I think we all assume Andy is out for awhile with this trade news)
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I'd hope it means we're thinking about dumping Andy. Love the energy he always brought, but he's expensive, injury-prone and old, and has been on the Cavs two seasons too long.
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I'd hope it means we're thinking about dumping Andy. Love the energy he always brought, but he's expensive, injury-prone and old, and has been on the Cavs two seasons too long.
who is going to trade for an injury-prone center who has missed the last several games due to a bad back?
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Beats me. That's why I wanted him gone in 2011. But stranger things have happened. Maybe a playoff team who wants an energy guy to give limited bench minutes down the stretch and has the luxury of letting him get healthy, a la Indiana/Bynum.
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the issue has been the best time to trade him is the deadline and he has been hurt at the deadline every single year.
we should have traded him back in 2011 when several people wanted to in June/July. I wasn't for it then, but it would have been for the best.
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