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who is going to trade for an injury-prone center who has missed the last several games due to a bad back?
He is a $9 million expiring contract, so he does have that going for him.
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who is going to trade for an injury-prone center who has missed the last several games due to a bad back?
He is a $9 million expiring contract, so he does have that going for him.
That makes him somewhat valuable, but I don't know what a team would give up in return for a 9m expiring. Certainly not a lotto pick...
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Andy still has a full year left on his deal.
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Hmmm ... looking at a few other places, it doesn't show as a Team Option, so maybe HoopsHype has it wrong.
If that's the case ... we might have an issue if we really want to try to sign Lebron to a max deal this summer.
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Interesting…I see that a site I don't generally consult for contract info (HoopsHype) has his last year listed as a team option, but Spotrac, which is my go-to, has it just listed as partially guaranteed.
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Realgm had it as PG too. Maybe it's a partial Team Option, where they can drop him after the season, but he's still guaranteed a certain amount.
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I seem to recall reading something along those lines, and that the guarantee was modest.
Aha, here it is .... a $4 million partial guarantee.
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Not sure if its been posted but... Cavs have traded Earl Clark, Henry Sims and 2 2nd round picks for Spencer Hawes. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/104884...eland-cavaliersSources: Spencer Hawes to Cavs Updated: February 20, 2014, 12:06 PM ET By Brian Windhorst | ESPN.com Sources: Sixers Send Spencer Hawes To Cavs Amin Elhassan discusses the Cavaliers' trade for 76ers center Spencer Hawes. Tags: Spencer Hawes, Spencer Hawes Trade, 76ers Trade, Cavs Trade, NBA Trade, NBA News, Amin Elhassan NEXT VIDEO video Dion Waiters Dunks On 7'1" Spencer Hawes In an effort to add depth to their front line as they chase a playoff spot, the Cleveland Cavaliers have traded for Philadelphia 76ers center Spencer Hawes, sources told ESPN.com, confirming multiple reports. [+] EnlargeLakers/76ers Howard Smith/USA TODAY Sports Spencer Hawes has averaged 13.0 points and 8.5 rebounds in 53 starts for Philadelphia this season. The 76ers have been trading for draft picks and prospects since last summer as part of a long-term rebuilding project, and this deal fits that mold. The Cavs sent the 76ers two second-round draft picks and backup forward Earl Clark, while Cleveland shipped backup center Henry Sims to Philadelphia to complete the deal. Hawes, who is in the final year of a contract that pays him $6.6 million this season, averaged 13.0 points and 8.5 rebounds in 53 starts for the 76ers this season. The Cavs, who are three games out of the last playoff spot in the Eastern Conference after a six-game win streak, had been in talks to get another center for several days. Anderson Varejao has been out with a back injury and received a cortisone shot Wednesday to help deal with the issue. Clark, whose $4.25 million contract next season is not guaranteed, averaged 5.2 points and 2.8 rebounds in 45 games and shot 38 percent from the field for the Cleveland, which signed him as a free agent in the offseason. In January, the Cavs dealt a first-round pick and two second-rounders to acquire forward Luol Deng from the Chicago Bulls. The team is spending many of the extra picks it acquired over the past three years to attempt to upgrade and end a three-year playoff drought. Sims, whose $915,000 contract for next season is also non-guaranteed, has averaged just 2.2 points and 2.8 rebounds in 20 games this season.
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Cleveland Cavaliers obtain Spencer Hawes from Philadelphia: NBA Trade Deadline | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/..._special-reportCLEVELAND, Ohio -- Spencer Hawes, the Philadelphia 76ers center who has been a thorn in the Cavaliers sides for years, was obtained by the Cavs in a trade on Thursday, according to Yahoo Sports. The Cavs have not yet confirmed the report. The Plain Dealer has learned that Henry Sims will be sent to the Sixers as part of the trade. Yahoo reported the Cavs will send two 2014 second-round picks to the Sixers and TNT's David Aldridge reported that Earl Clark would be part of the deal. Marc Stein of ESPN.com first reported the Cavs interest in Hawes earlier Thursday. Hawes has averaged 13 points and 8.5 rebounds this season. With the addition of Hawes, trade rumors now have turned toward Cavs second-year center, Tyler Zeller, who has been playing extremely well since moving into the starting lineup when Anderson Varejao went out with a sore back four games ago.
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If the Cavs were a good team that needed one extra piece I would love this trade. The Cavs are not a good team.
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Clippers are interested in Zeller. I could see us trading for Reggie Bullock. If we do, it's obvious the front office wanted to fix the lack of spacing and shooting.
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I certainly don't want to give up Zeller. Reports say that we gave up both Clark and Sims ...... 2 bigs, and giving up Zeller would be giving up 3 bigs for 1. With Andy being questionable, at best, that worries me.
Plus, Zeller has decent range and good mobility. I don't see him as a spacing problem. I would hate to lose him.
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If we can get anything decent for Zeller, pull the trigger immediately.
Guy is a stiff and serves little purpose with the addition of Hawes.
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I'm glad Griffin listened to me and got rid of clark and sims..lol, but the 2 additional picks for a 1 player that's not even plus level, he's just a guy. I like his size and shooting potential, but you can't send away 2 bigs to get one. We have zero depth there now. I think they'd be dumb to trade zeller unless the piece was a plus level. Zeller is a quality big and still young. He's going to get better and he can shoot. With a team with a legit back to the basket 5 he'd be the perfect 4. I'd trade andy's glass ass before i trade any other bigs at this point. Andy is great when he plays, which the last 4 years is rarely. He's a big fluffy version of boobie.
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Exactly.
If we have indeed added Sims and Clark to the Hawes deal, then that leaves us with Hawes, Varejao, Tristan, Bennett, and Zeller as bigs. Varejao is currently hurt. (and is often hurt) If we trade Zeller, we could find ourselves down to just 3 bigs real easily. I have no idea why we would do that.
Further, I believe that Hawes is signed only through this year. We could wind up with nothing out of this part of the deal, and find ourselves on the search for any kind of bigs next year.
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NBA trade deadline updates: Latest news, rumors and speculation | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ss..._special-report1:20 p.m.: Whew! We've got less than two hours until the deadline and things are getting hectic. The Cavaliers seem to be in the middle of just about everything. USA Today is reporting a proposed deal that would send Cleveland's Jarrett Jack to Sacramento for Jason Thompson is all but dead. CBS Sports is reporting that negotiations on a Tyler Zeller-for-Reggie Bullock trade between the Cavs and the Clippers is "not happening." But TNT's David Aldridge is hearing that Minnesota may now be getting involved in trade dealings for Jack. David Aldridge ✔ @daldridgetnt Follow Hearing that the Timberwolves, falling short on getting Andre Miller, are reaching out to Cavs to try and get Jarrett Jack. 1:01 PM - 20 Feb 2014 196 RETWEETS 42 FAVORITES ReplyRetweet
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It's always good when you sign a guy to a long-term contract and then immediately try and trade him during that season (I am talking to you Chris Grant and Joe Dumars).
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I'll give the Cavs massive credit, they aren't boring.
When was the last time you read anything about the Bucks?
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If the Cavs were a good team that needed one extra piece I would love this trade. The Cavs are not a good team.
What is the alternative? stay in the lottery waiting for the next james or durant to come by? You have to start somewhere. The pacers and bulls were 8th seeds a while back. the cavs need to take that next step to become a winning organization.
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One thing about the trade for Hawes is that we should be able to play Andy (if his back is OK) at PF instead of having to play him at Center as much. That could take a load off of his shoulders.
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If the Cavs were a good team that needed one extra piece I would love this trade. The Cavs are not a good team.
What is the alternative? stay in the lottery waiting for the next james or durant to come by? You have to start somewhere. The pacers and bulls were 8th seeds a while back. the cavs need to take that next step to become a winning organization.
My approach at this point is basically... let's wait and see. I have my reservations about what the Cavs are doing, but hey, they have won 6 games in a row and there is a newfound excitement for the team. It is a whole heck of a lot more fun watching the team win than it is to lose, and I know that Gilbert has to sell tickets and ultimately the players want to win. We're currently winning. That's the good part.
The bad part is signing vets to win now, trading 5 draft picks for 2 players who may not be here next year, and pulling yourself away from the top of a stacked draft class in a year where it's extremely unlikely that the team is going to win a playoff series. That's the bad part. Hopefully they prove me wrong, the team starts to 'learn how to win', and this year is the precursor of many years of deep playoff runs.
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I like what Indy and San Antonio did. I think both of the them should look at Daniel Gibson. However, Evan Turner and Austin Daye will be nice depth additions.
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Indiana just keeps getting stronger and stronger. George Hill is really the only weak link. A motivated Andrew Bynum, Evan Turner, and Louis Scola will more than make up for him. Can't wait for ECF. However as I previously mentioned, I hope Indiana signs Daniel Gibson for backup PG.
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Could the Cavaliers lose Kyrie Irving?
Four years after LeBron James fled, Cleveland is at a crossroads with its new star
By Brian Windhorst | ESPN.com
If Kyrie Irving truly wants to be on a different team next season he can probably make it happen.
The Cleveland Cavaliers will offer Irving a maximum contract extension once they're allowed to on July 1, and if he hasn't signed it by October, the team will likely be forced to trade him before the Oct. 31 deadline for third-year players to extend their contracts.
The Cavs aren't without leverage. They can match any deal offered if Irving hits restricted free agency in the summer of 2015, and they control his rights through summer 2016. Waiting out that period would cost Irving millions, not to mention open himself up to losing it all should some unforeseen major injury occur. For these reasons, no player in Irving's position has ever declined to a sign a maximum contract offer.
But the scars of LeBron James' departure four years ago are far from healed, and they're certainly going to affect the way the club and its current star player handle their future together.
After losing James to Miami in 2010, having a franchise player who doesn't commit long term will not be tolerated by the Cavs. Team owner Dan Gilbert already has said as much publicly and the fan base has largely supported him, just as it did upon his release of the now-infamous letter trashing James soon after his decision to leave.
But that letter harmed the franchise in the eyes of many more. If the Cavs do take a hard-line position with Irving, he could wind up using such stains on the team's recent history against them.
Such a negotiating tactic would most certainly come at a cost for Irving -- it probably would badly damage his popularity, costing him endorsement opportunities and beaucoup bucks. And it'd officially end the extended honeymoon he has enjoyed in Cleveland, putting the spotlight directly on the shortcomings in his game that the national exposure helps to cover up.
Which is why Irving will probably sign a contract offer from the Cavs in some form and anything else would end up as a negotiating ploy. But by making the franchise sweat it out this summer -- the seeds such a strategy having already been planted -- he may be able to get a more favorable contract than the Cavs would prefer to give.
Irving is among the NBA's most popular players. Those "Uncle Drew" spots that Pepsi created for him made him a YouTube hit. His wizardry with the ball in his hands and all the last-second shots make for quite the attractive in-game package. Irving was even named an All-Star starter this season -- the third player in Cavs history to do so, along with James and Shawn Kemp -- though the field was thinned out by injuries to Derrick Rose and Rajon Rondo.
But despite winning MVP honors in New Orleans this year, and the 3-point shootout crown at All-Star Weekend the year before, Irving has struggled to reach the same type of success with the Cavs. In his three seasons, the 21-year-old has spent a total of five days above .500, none of them coming after the second week of the season. That's more a reflection on his team, but it goes to show what Irving, who is currently ranked ninth among point guards in player efficiency rating at 20.04, has overcome to get uncommon national popularity in a small market like Cleveland.
There are those who even wonder whether Irving is truly worth a maximum-level contract, including some within the Cavs organization. His game has regressed a bit this season, particularly from a leadership standpoint, with his clashes with Dion Waiters making headlines, and it has raised a red flag or two in-house.
And while Irving has said all the right things about staying put in public, it's no secret that Irving's camp has been making it known for years now the point guard would like to be elsewhere long term. No matter how much he denies it.
Just how strongly Irving feels about it could rise to the forefront soon. Though the Cavs recently went on a six-game win streak, their schedule the rest of the season is brutal. In March, Cleveland, now 22-35 and five games out of a spot in the postseason, plays the Grizzlies, Spurs, Clippers, Suns, Warriors, Heat, Thunder, Rockets, Raptors and Pacers.
The season may be another lost one for Irving and the Cavs, which means the clock on his impending decision will likely begin sooner than later.
More than likely, Irving will use his tenuous position to work favorable options into a new contract. A big one will be an escalator clause, which would create what is known as a "supermax." Also referred to as the Rose Rule, players who sign max contracts can get a bump of about $3 million per season if they make two All-NBA teams, win the MVP or get voted in to start two All-Star Games by the time the extensions kick in after their fourth season. Rose got it for winning the MVP. Blake Griffin was voted into two All-Star Games and also made two All-NBA teams. Paul George is likely to qualify for it this season, when he gets his second All-NBA team nod.
Irving has never made an All-NBA team, and he's unlikely to do so this season. But his popularity can't be denied, so those All-Star bids could wind up earning him tens of millions.
Despite it all, the Cavs, like most teams, will likely want to lock up Irving for the full five years they are allowed and make him their "designated player." But Irving might be able to leverage a shorter, more player-friendly contract with opt-out clauses.
Just signing him will lead to exhaling in Cleveland, as it did in 2006, when James signed his own extension with the team. That, though, proved to be the beginning of the end of that superstar's tenure with the Cavs, as James passed up a six-year offer for a three-year extension.
If they can't somehow work things out, Irving could find himself somewhere James never did in his seven seasons in Cleveland: the trade market.
Is it weird that I don't REALLY care if Kyrie leaves? Hell I'd sign him for 15 mil just so we could get more out of him in a trade...
The Cavs have suddenly become even harder to root for/follow than the Browns...
That takes skill...
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I wonder if he'll go to Miami.
Browns is the Browns
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Gilbert/Grant made the huge mistake of bringing Mike Brown back. Heck this guy has made an all-star in Deng look like total trash, Irving should be better. Doesn't take a genius to figure out Mike Brown isn't an nba coach. maybe once we miss out on the playoffs, Gilbert will have no choice but to fire this goof.
No matter who our players are, Cleveland will always be a tough sell. If Lebron didn't want to stay, who could you convince to long-term?
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No not at all, we're probably all scarred from 'Bron leaving. I am forever, I can no longer allow myself to love a pro athlete or believe him when he tells the media he wants to bring Cleveland a championship. I think they're all FOS from now on, even though some aren't.
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Playing hard is not dirty.
The Cavs are not looking so hot now that they are playing some real teams.
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They're without 3 key players in Waiters, Varejao, and Miles. But still no excuse being 22-36. Even the Bobcats are around .500, just a horrible year.
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MIssing Waiters and Miles means they get almost no bench production. Their injuries couldn't have come at a worse time.
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I would argue that they got injured at the exact right time.
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I agree with that 100%. They dug themselves too big of a hole. 5 games out, with a murderers row schedule coming. I guess we have the lottery to get ready for.
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Mike Brown is an always be the worst coach in the NBA without lebron. How many years has it been, his vaunted defense still can't guard a 3, can't figure out how to defend a pick and roll and still has no clue on spacing..it's a joke. This team will lose another 10-15 in a row. Dan gilbert owes it to his season ticket holders to fire brown the instant that last buzzer sounds.. I'd meet him in the tunnel and say pack it.. You can tell by the body language they just dont buy what browns' selling. I will say i like the pickup of Hawes..Hes alot better fundamentally than any of our bigs. To bad he came here and noone knows an offense set outside of 5th grade ball. I loved watching Kyrie drive to the basket tonight 5 on 1 while his 7 foot center stood there wide open 2 feet from the rim. I think Kyrie is a good player, but without a decent coach i rather him go..he's not helping anything
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at least with hawes, you have a pick n pop game, that you didn't have anywhere on the whole roster. It's amazing how bad Deng looks. You know he can't wait til free agency comes. I would be surprised if we won 30 games.think brown would've saved his job, if we got in the playoffs. He's just a lame-duck now.
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No not at all, we're probably all scarred from 'Bron leaving. I am forever, I can no longer allow myself to love a pro athlete or believe him when he tells the media he wants to bring Cleveland a championship. I think they're all FOS from now on, even though some aren't.
I'm scarred for life, I need DR. Phil.
I'm pretty close to feeling the exact same way.
I don't know if I'd say I think they're full of it when they talk, but it just seems hollow. Whether it's the new guy or the guy who has been around for 5 years.
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If Willie Cauley Stein wasn't dumb on P&R defense, I'd love the Cavs to look at him. A under the radar guy is Jusuf Nurkic.
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So.. That just happened..
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