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I like Mewhort too, but we drafted a similar guy in similar range just 2 years ago and he's an above AVG NFL RT already. Why on earth should we invest ANOTHER high pick for that position and get rid/bench the young guy we have?
Sounds like more typical Browns lateral fumbling drafting: Draft Faine, when we have O'Hara. Draft Mingo, when we have Kruger/Sheard/Groves...
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Or,they feel that Schwartz doesn't fit what we'll be doing on the line and feel they can trade him (perhaps to KC so he can play with his brother, lol)?
It does seem odd, though, to use one of our interviews on a position we *should* be set at - on paper, at least.
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I've read several times about rumblings of Schwartz being a possible fit at right guard in Shanny's system.
What say you, Django?
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I've read several times about rumblings of Schwartz being a possible fit at right guard in Shanny's system.
What say you, Django?
My only thought on that is he'd be a REALLY tall Guard at 6' 5".
Other than that, I don't see why not as long as he can adjust to working inside a phone booth instead of in space.
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Per WalterFootball these are the prospects we have meetings set up with....
Ted Bolser, TE, Indiana (EW)
Donald Hawkins, OT, Texas (EW)
Chandler Jones, WR, San Jose State (EW)
Devon Kennard, LB, USC (EW)
Jack Mewhort, OL, Ohio State (SR)
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That list is the guys we talked to at the Senior Bowl and the Shrine Game back in January.
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Eric Steinbach was 6'6", as was Ryan Tucker. I think that larger Guards can succeed.
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I think he'd be a better LT than RG or LG. I don't see it at all. Keep him at RT and I think 2 years from now we're talking about how much we have to pay to re-sign one of the NFL's best RTs.
I think he's on a VERY similar career path as Mack. Both have struggled for half a season out of their first two. Both were slow starters. Now that Mack has become more consistent, he's a top C.
My point in all of this is: don't fix what's not broken. Could we have better RT play? Sure. Schwartz was "only" ranked the 13th best RT last season, but that was with the two horrible two games next to Cousins, where he struggled to adapt to Norv's "good luck OL" scheme and had an absolute bum next to him to make it worse. He got gradually better, but nobody cared anymore because we ended the season we did. But you will be hard pressed to find a much better young RT in the NFL.
I can't believe fans talk about replacing him with another draft choice, who probably gets questioned when he doesn't look as good as Joe Thomas after two seasons. Whoever you'd draft to play RT would have to have a monster rookie season just to give you what Schwartz already gives you. Let the guy be and let him grow. The OL is all about consistency and cohesiveness, don't mess to much with it. Keep Mack, keep Schwartz, bring in competition for Greco and Pinkston at OG and let them grow together. They're young, they won't get worse, only better and if the past two season was their "worst", well then we should look at other problem areas imho
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I don't think as highly of MS as you do, and apparently the Browns don't either. I do think MS could make it as RG in a zone scheme so I would try to slide him over.
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Per WalterFootball these are the prospects we have meetings set up with....
Ted Bolser, TE, Indiana (EW)
Donald Hawkins, OT, Texas (EW)
Chandler Jones, WR, San Jose State (EW)
Devon Kennard, LB, USC (EW)
Jack Mewhort, OL, Ohio State (SR)
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That list is the guys we talked to at the Senior Bowl and the Shrine Game back in January.
Good, I thought it looked kind of lackluster. It was updated today, but obviously not for our team.
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Yeah, They update it almost daily but it might be just for 1 team so its kind of deceiving.
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I've read several times about rumblings of Schwartz being a possible fit at right guard in Shanny's system.
What say you, Django?
My only thought on that is he'd be a REALLY tall Guard at 6' 5".
Other than that, I don't see why not as long as he can adjust to working inside a phone booth instead of in space.
There isn't any chance that Mitchell Schwartz can be a guard in the NFL. He'll be the RT (if the RG position is upgraded) or relegated to a backup tackle.
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I think he'd be a better LT than RG or LG. I don't see it at all. Keep him at RT and I think 2 years from now we're talking about how much we have to pay to re-sign one of the NFL's best RTs.
I think he's on a VERY similar career path as Mack. Both have struggled for half a season out of their first two. Both were slow starters. Now that Mack has become more consistent, he's a top C.
My point in all of this is: don't fix what's not broken. Could we have better RT play? Sure. Schwartz was "only" ranked the 13th best RT last season, but that was with the two horrible two games next to Cousins, where he struggled to adapt to Norv's "good luck OL" scheme and had an absolute bum next to him to make it worse. He got gradually better, but nobody cared anymore because we ended the season we did. But you will be hard pressed to find a much better young RT in the NFL.
I can't believe fans talk about replacing him with another draft choice, who probably gets questioned when he doesn't look as good as Joe Thomas after two seasons. Whoever you'd draft to play RT would have to have a monster rookie season just to give you what Schwartz already gives you. Let the guy be and let him grow. The OL is all about consistency and cohesiveness, don't mess to much with it. Keep Mack, keep Schwartz, bring in competition for Greco and Pinkston at OG and let them grow together. They're young, they won't get worse, only better and if the past two season was their "worst", well then we should look at other problem areas imho
I agree with this. I also have to say my interest was piqued in Chris Faulk. I really thought that guy, if healthy would have been an excellent addition to the Browns' OL. I guess it's still a "wait-and-see" at best.
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Would you feel more comfortable if Farmer had to run his selections by Banner first, rather than being the LONE WOLF and having carte blanche with our Browns 10 draft picks?
olskool...you can't be serious about Farmer's selections being run by Banner first...
I would simply ask you what sort of draft background/expertise does Banner have that would give you the impression he was qualified to judge Farmer's draft picks ?
Also, this "Lonewolf" scenario you fear...it does not exist..Farmer has help...matter of fact the Browns just hired Bill Kuharich, the former Saints general manager.
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I was never a fan of Banner and know that he isn't an evaluator of players.
Awhile ago many people were in agreement that selection by committee was preferable. With Butch, Savage, Mangini, etc... we have had some bad results with one guy being the decision maker.
Farmer... I'm the guy who was cautious, who really didn't like what he saw in the Chiefs Hard Knocks episodes. I've backed off. I don't want to be a hater, and I am willing to give him a chance and drop my concerns until I have specific reasons. But, to give him the reins, the keys, the finger on the button, to this entire draft without any sort of oversight.... No. Not good with it. If it was anyone with a track record of success, if he had a track record of success, then...
I'm not going to be a homer, for homer's sake, and act like he managed those drafts for the Chiefs. He didn't.
I wish him all the best. (With my fingers crossed, on my knees, praying)
My point is that he would have to at least answer to someone in direct authority. Now, all he has to do is answer to Jimmy, after the fact.
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I think he'd be a better LT than RG or LG. I don't see it at all. Keep him at RT and I think 2 years from now we're talking about how much we have to pay to re-sign one of the NFL's best RTs.
Your reasoning is sound here. Although I can't get the blur that was Cameron Wake out of my mind. I don't think Schwartz is a finished product at this point.
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No doubt some of that plays in to the decision, but in the end, toss the pocket protecter and mechanical pencil. Just select the guy you think can do the job.
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For myself it's all about game time... and the game they bring....Give them an interview...if you like them then try and get them...The combine is over rated and just another way for the NFL to make money...
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I am really impressed with the crop of OL this year .. We should be able get one nice pick , and I would hope for two ..
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I know we have Cameron, but I wouldn't mind taking a mid to late round pick on one of the TEs either. There is some really good prospects imo that are going to go mid to late in the draft. I wouldn't invest what it will take to Ebron or kid from Washington, but several of the lower rated kids in this class have potential.
I would love to get a mid/late round kid who would allow us to successfully run 2TE sets.
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Generally disappointing showing by the TEs. A few good forty times, none great, just average route running and catching abilities. Ebron must have hurt his knee running the 40, he didn't participate in the drills.
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Colt and AC would be great pickups if they can stay on the field. I feel like AC has paid his price, but Colt is just a head case. He said he had 1 week to prepare for the combine? Dude quit his team in like October and said he was going to go pro. Hell has he been doing since October?
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Since the Browns already have Cameron as a new style gig play tight end. I would like to see the Browns go after an old style blocking tight end with good hands and good body control in the red zone like CJ Fiedorowicz from Iowa. 3rd or 4th round.
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I know it's RB's and who cares about bench press, but seeing Dri Archer out lift Carlos Hyde.
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If anyone didn't get a chance to watch the combine today, here's my wrap-up. It's a three-pager so I'm posting a link instead of full-text. http://cornerblitz.com/2014/Combine/OL1.aspx
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I was in and out all afternoon yesterday and I only saw bits and pieces of the combine. one of the few things I did see was an OL drill where the OL ended up pushing a DL straight back. they showed a close up shot and the eyes of the OL simply jumped out at me. it was like they were on fire. they looked pure evil. so I had to search bios this morning to find out who he was and found out it was jack mewhort. the only drill I saw of him showed me the intensity and mean streak that I crave in an OL. can anybody describe what they have actually seen this kid do on the field? I don't care about his combine stats. what does he look like in a game. also can he play multiple positions or just a pure tackle.
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Couple of quick comments:
- Greg Robinson had an amazing showing Saturday- fast and very fluid.
- Morgan Moses showed poorly; no way a 1st or even 2nd/3rd pick.
- Mewhort looked choppy, stiff.
- Lindner, Richburg didn't hurt themselves.
- I didn't see Stork, OC; was he there?
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I laughed a couple times reading the second half of the second OL group.
It sounded like you started to get a little bored.
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http://cornerblitz.com/2014/Combine/OL1.aspx
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I was very impressed w/what I saw of Xavier Su'a-Filo yesterday.
I also think Brandon Thomas will be moved to guard and he should be available in the middle rounds.
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Zach Martin may be moved to OG/C as he has short arms 32+". I agree with you on Su'a Filo...
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I saw martin reaching a few times, he is gonna be inside.
Sua Filo has a little nasty to his game. I like guys that even doing these drills they want to go through the pad and deliver punishment to whomever may be holding it.
Robinson and Mathews gave the Rams every reason to trade down to 4 or 5 and still get their OT.
Overall, its a really deep OL class. that mid to late rounds 4-7 will have some steals for interior lineman. this class will make Farmer do a discount doublecheck on Mack and his contract.
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This wide receiver class looks deep and very impressive.
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So, you don't think that the Browns will take Watkins at #4 then? 
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This looks like a really good year to improve the offense thru the draft.
The Offensive line yesterday was deep and talented and this crop of wide receivers look very impressive also.
The QB class is decent. I think the running back group will not have true superstars but it will look deep.
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This looks like a really good year to improve the offense thru the draft.
The Offensive line yesterday was deep and talented and this crop of wide receivers look very impressive also.
The QB class is decent. I think the running back group will not have true superstars but it will look deep.
There are quite a few quality RBs in the draft. There are some nice TEs too and although the quality seems to drop off later in the draft, most of them could very well be solid contributors.
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Well you also mentioned his track record with the draft was not impressive. Did you mean strictly for the fact he was NEVER THE MAN IN CHARGE for the picks.
I can only assume he has been very instrumental in making the Board. Which is a big key feature in the draft.
I do know he had a big hand in making our board for this draft and actually the board is 90%+ complete just a few tweaks after the interviews and possibly a surprise or two.
So no he was never a GM before. Possibly one who did would have difficulties working with a HC that he didn't HIRE.
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So if we happen to like and feel secure about Farmer as our new GM. Its not out of football intelligence or logic just blind homerism. That debate is lame 
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So, you don't think that the Browns will take Watkins at #4 then?
If Bridgewater, Manziel, and Bortles are gone? Maybe. But IF that scenario happens, I'd prefer to trade down to a team that likes Clowney and grab someone like CJ Mosely, Darqueze Dennard, or Justin Gilbert plus adding some picks in maybe 2nd/3rd rounds.
I'm interested to see Bortles throw today....he is climbing for me. Having someone like Hoyer would justify taking Bortles and letting him sit. This may sound crazy but I think Bortles may have the highest ceiling of the three QBs. I like him a lot and he should be there at #4. But then again, I'm no guru.
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I agree with you. I think Bortles has the highest ceiling of the QB;s. With that said he currently is a little behind in development in comparision with Bridgewater and Manziel.
I would take him over the other 2 only if he proves to me he has an outstanding work ethic and has great study habits. If so I would draft Bortles if available. Play Hoyer for a year or even 2 and sign Rex Grossman for #3 and let hin know up front that he is #3 and his job is to mentor and school Bortles.
I do like the fact he is competing today. It shows he wants the ball in his hands and is not afraid to compete with on a big stage. Could be some insight into that work ethic question.
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I do like the fact he is competing today. It shows he wants the ball in his hands and is not afraid to compete with on a big stage. Could be some insight into that work ethic question.
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So, you don't think that the Browns will take Watkins at #4 then?
If Bridgewater, Manziel, and Bortles are gone? Maybe. But IF that scenario happens, I'd prefer to trade down to a team that likes Clowney and grab someone like CJ Mosely, Darqueze Dennard, or Justin Gilbert plus adding some picks in maybe 2nd/3rd rounds.
I'm interested to see Bortles throw today....he is climbing for me. Having someone like Hoyer would justify taking Bortles are letting him sit. This may sound crazy but I think Bortles may have the highest ceiling of the three QBs. I like him a lot and he should be there at #4. But then again, I'm no guru.
Bortles is the only one that I would take of the three.
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anybody watching the QB/WR drills this morning?
Bortles looks pretty good.
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