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To me, it tells me that he's trying to secure his position high in the draft.
I agree he is trying to solidify his spot in the draft. But, if his people felt secure his spot is determined he might run like interview like Luck and RG3 did but not throw, The fact that he is thhrowing tells me there are some in his camp that feels he needs to throw,
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Pdawg, are you sure? In most gyms today there is a line of equipment called "Hammer." Allows a more well rounded chest build. Bench Press works a specific muscle. Here is an article that may be interesting; Is the Bench Press Overrated? Practical advice on how much emphasis you should place on this popular exercise By Charles Poliquin 4/5/2012 5:09:13 PM Quote:
In discussing the matter of whether or not the bench press is overrated, imagine a football strength coach telling his athletes and other members of the coaching staff that his program did not contain bench presses. Regardless of his reasoning, do you think he would be able to get away with it? Probably not.
In the US the most popular weight training exercise by far is the bench press. Visit just about any high school gym in the country and you’ll find, especially if the gym is unsupervised, every bench occupied (and probably every power rack – for no other reason than it’s a pain to adjust the supports to position the barbell for curls). Squats may be considered the king of exercises, but nobody asks an athlete, “How much do you squat?”
First, it’s not that the bench press (or just about any exercise) is “bad,” but it can be a problem if it is overemphasized – especially at the expense of other exercises.
Let’s go back to football, using the example of a linebacker. A linebacker needs to be able to think on his feet, react to the actions of the offense, move quickly and hit hard. He has to be able to stop a running attack, fight through offensive linemen, rush the quarterback, deal with the short pass attack, and make the hard tackle.
Such versatility makes the linebacker one of the most important positions on the field. Linebackers have to work on many different athletic qualities, so they can’t afford to devote several hours a week to a single upper body exercise such as the bench press. Plus, linebackers need to be strong in the upper body at all angles, which means they need a variety of pressing exercises.
Twenty years ago, it would make headlines if a high school football player bench pressed 400 pounds. In fact, one strength coach who worked at the Division 1 level for eight years in the late ’80s and early ’90s told me he’d coached only one football player who had been able to hit this benchmark while still in high school. Today a 400-pound bench press, especially among linemen, is commonplace. Strength may not be quite the issue it once was, but because players often are deficient in other qualities, college strength coaches spend a considerable amount of time and effort getting these athletes to move well.
Of course, you have to consider that when someone answers the question “How much can you bench?” you have to follow it up with another question: “Was that raw, and if not, what type of supportive gear were you using?” This is important.
Thanks in part to supportive gear, many men have bench pressed over 1,000 pounds and one woman, Becca Swanson, has done 600. The absolute record is 1,075 pounds by Ryan Kennelly, but the record without equipment is 715 pounds by Scot Mendelson, who once bench pressed 1,009 pounds with equipment. Consider also that the technique used to bench press raw is different from bench pressing with equipment, so there’s no ironclad formula to determine how an equipped bench press translates into a raw bench press. The point is that it’s difficult to determine how strong an athlete is in the bench press without taking into consideration whether or not assistive gear was used.
If a competitor’s sport is powerlifting, and the federation they compete in uses supportive equipment, then they will have to train with that equipment. But because this supportive equipment creates a false structure that helps stabilize the joints, I do not recommend this gear for anyone except a powerlifter who competes in federations that allow supportive gear.
Consider too that the primary goal in powerlifting is to lift the heaviest weight for the shortest distance. One way to decrease the distance is to use a wider grip, a technique that increases the stress on the joints. Likewise, when you use a grip that is considerably narrower than biacromial width (which is the distance between the two bony prominences on the edges of the shoulders), you create tremendous stress on the wrists and elbows. In my PICP classes, for testing purposes we use a shoulder-width grip, as it places the least amount of stress on the joints and is a more natural movement.
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For athletes, the incline bench press has better transfer of training than the bench press, due to the angle of the shoulder joint in relation to the trunk. Visualize the release of a shot put, or an offensive lineman pushing off a defender, or a boxer throwing a punch – in all these activities the upper arm is usually at about a 45-degree angle (upward) in relation to the trunk.
We all know the bench press is the sole strength test used in the NFL Combine, but a great bench performance is no indication that a player will do well in the pros. One peer-reviewed study looked at the results of 1,155 athletes who participated in the NFL Combine between 2005 and 2009. The researchers concluded that “regardless of position, the current battery of physical tests undertaken at the combine holds little value in terms of predicting draft order.” Further, with a max weight set at 225 pounds, the lift becomes more of a test of muscular endurance than of absolute strength.
As a general guideline – and this applies both to athletes and to the general population – never perform more than 20 percent of your training volume for pressing exercises from a prone position. In other words, 80 percent of your presses should be performed from other angles, such as with an incline or military press. Further, at least 50 percent of pressing exercises should be performed with dumbbells, as they offer a more natural movement pattern and provide a more challenging workout for the muscles that stabilize the shoulder. To make dumbbell pressing even more valuable, use thick-handled implements.
Finally, if you’re going to perform this exercise, you must put your ego aside and use spotters. I cannot emphasize enough the fact that the bench press is the most dangerous exercise performed in the weightroom. Some individuals have died performing it; the danger is highest for those who train without spotters or who use spotters who don’t have a clue as to what they are doing. For those using especially heavy poundages, a single-person spot may not be enough. Also, removing and replacing the bar from supports places a lot of stress on the rotator cuff muscles, and spotters can help minimize this stress.
Let’s just say that although the bench press is an overrated exercise for athletic performance, it certainly has value as a multijoint exercise to develop upper body strength and muscle mass. So go ahead and bench press – you have my blessing – but just be smart about it.
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To me, it tells me that he's trying to secure his position high in the draft.
I agree he is trying to solidify his spot in the draft. But, if his people felt secure his spot is determined he might run like interview like Luck and RG3 did but not throw, The fact that he is throwing tells me there are some in his camp that feels he needs to throw,
Well, it's up to the player whether they want to throw or not. Even if a player doesn't do well at the combine, they can do their work at their regional combines or at their college pro days to change those perceptions.
It seems to me that Bortles' decision is more the separate him from Manziel and Bridgewater.
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People may call it the underwear Olympics, but if you are one that has to draft a player based on more than a few games of tape, the ability to confirm athletic ability is important.
T'eo lost money last year. Other players make money.
The one thing that it does do, is give the player a chance to master a skill set over a couple of months... Who knows, maybe attention to detail and dedication to your craft will come into play sometime in the future.
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cfrs15, here is another person, Grossi of all people, who states the same as I about the combine: Quote:
The original purpose of the Combine was to pool a group of doctors to administer pre-draft physicals to all the top prospects and to have the players measured (to an eighth of an inch) and weighed so that every team had the same, accurate information. Over time, the 40 times and other physical tests took on a degree of importance. But now, perhaps the most vital elements are the 15-minute interviews with teams. Players have come to be coached on these interviews, but teams can still learn a lot in those private interactions.
Parallels between Ray Farmer and Ozzie Newsome as the NFL Combine kicks off Feb 20, 2014 -- 6:00am -- Bullet #9
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The original purpose of the Combine was to pool a group of doctors to administer pre-draft physicals to all the top prospects and to have the players measured (to an eighth of an inch) and weighed so that every team had the same, accurate information. Over time, the 40 times and other physical tests took on a degree of importance. But now, perhaps the most vital elements are the 15-minute interviews with teams. Players have come to be coached on these interviews, but teams can still learn a lot in those private interactions.
Parallels between Ray Farmer and Ozzie Newsome as the NFL Combine kicks off Feb 20, 2014 -- 6:00am -- Bullet #9
Nice read,, Thanks
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If there ever is a February to head to the NFL Scouting Combine with pockets bulging with draft picks, this is it.
Last week, Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert told reporters the 2014 draft class “is as deep across the board” as any he has seen in the past 30 years.
Soon to be former Browns CEO Joe Banner speculated the 2014 draft market would be richer than the one in 2013, so he traded the Steelers a 2013 fourth-round pick for Pittsburgh’s third-round pick in 2014. He also traded a fifth-round choice to Indianapolis for the Colts’ 2014 fourth-round choice. Five months later, he traded running back Trent Richardson to Indianapolis for the Colts’ first-round choice, which turned out to be the 26th overall pick.
And we fired him. 
Would you guys feel more comfortable if Banner was still overseeing this draft instead of Farmer being a lone wolf?
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If there ever is a February to head to the NFL Scouting Combine with pockets bulging with draft picks, this is it.
Last week, Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert told reporters the 2014 draft class “is as deep across the board” as any he has seen in the past 30 years.
Soon to be former Browns CEO Joe Banner speculated the 2014 draft market would be richer than the one in 2013, so he traded the Steelers a 2013 fourth-round pick for Pittsburgh’s third-round pick in 2014. He also traded a fifth-round choice to Indianapolis for the Colts’ 2014 fourth-round choice. Five months later, he traded running back Trent Richardson to Indianapolis for the Colts’ first-round choice, which turned out to be the 26th overall pick.
And we fired him.
Would you guys feel more comfortable if Banner was still overseeing this draft instead of Farmer being a lone wolf?
I would not be... But Farmer isn't exactly a "Lone Wolf" He's got all the same staff that gathered info on all the players and he has access to any reports that Lombardi may have written up as well. He's not alone at all.
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From what I can gather, Farmer was doing most of the draft work anyway....
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Some Browns fans are just looking for the next thing to whine about. It's become habitual to some... God forbid we start winning. What will they do?
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From what I can gather, Farmer was doing most of the draft work anyway....
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.
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It's become habitual to some...
God forbid we start winning. What will they do?
that's me sometimes.. after Chud got fired and I knew at that moment that the staff was all but gone as well, I was pretty sickened. So I did whine about it a bit.. I admit to that.
As for what to whine about if we start winning.. I just can't wait for that day! Let them whine, I just won't care LOL
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cfrs15, here is another person, Grossi of all people, who states the same as I about the combine:
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Can you not read? I said in my original post that the interviews are the most important.
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J/c...
1. Manziel throwing at the combine...meaningless this is what counts: surprised nobody mentioned it.
Manziel will also throw during private workouts with individual teams leading up to May's NFL Draft.
Pretty sure we will invite him here or go to his place for a private workout.
2. On JJ Watt moving up the board? Whose Board the draftnicks and Bozo's board. As it turned out 11 btw was a steal!
3. Yes the combine originally was established mostly for the medical check...that is an enormous NFL expense having each team medically examine the prospects.
4. For years its been maintained that Interviews is the biggest fact finding part of the combine. Is the guy a football player or someone looking for a check. Especially the later guys...3rd round to 7 all the speed guys should be gone. concentrate on the Football guys, the guys who can get it fast. Guys who would Pay to play the game.
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From what I can gather, Farmer was doing most of the draft work anyway....
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.
We know for a fact Banner wasn't scouting guys, we know for a fact Lombardi wasn't at the Alabama/A&M game and we know for a fact that Lombardi wasn't at the past two Senior Bowls. If you do the math, we are minus two fellows not doing much scouting.
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Not as well as being at the game, I promise you that. There's a reason I spend money out the rear to go to Browns games. I knew Weeden was done last year, not just from his play, but the way he was shunned by his team mates, standing alone on the sidelines. I think I described him as having the look of "a pitcher throwing a perfect game in the top of the 9th, not one person is talking to him".
There is so much more to learn about a guy from watching his disposition on the sidelines. Being Mel Kiper is one thing, actual scouting requires knowing these kids, on tape, on the sidelines and off the field.
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I'll take your word for those facts....
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Pardon me if this has been posted but it seems all of our discussions on who the Browns should take at QB has already been decided...
New Browns GM Ray Farmer knows which QB he wants in NFL Draft
By John Breech | CBSSports.com
February 16, 2014 12:18 pm ET
New Cleveland Browns general manager Ray Farmer has only been on the job since Feb. 11, but apparently that's enough time to make one of his biggest decisions. Farmer told the Cleveland Plain Dealer he already knows which quarterback he wants to take in May's NFL Draft.
"I've studied the quarterbacks and I've studied other players, and I've already started to formulate the rank and order of each position," Farmer said. "I do know what I'd do if I was held down at the moment. It doesn't mean that can't change, but I currently have somebody in front."
Farmer was thrust into the Cleveland spotlight Tuesday when Browns owner Jimmy Haslam decided to clean house and fire general manager Mike Lombardi and team CEO Joe Banner.
On the job less than a week, the 39-year-old already knows how to play the smoke-and-mirrors game that comes with the NFL Draft. Just because Farmer knows which quarterback he's going to take doesn't mean he was willing to name names. Not only that, Farmer wouldn't even say if he was going to take his quarterback with Cleveland's fourth overall pick.
"I'd say that No. 4 is not necessarily where I would take the guy that I like," Farmer said. "Again, it may not be the name that everybody thinks is the latest, greatest, and the easy one to spot. There's definitely an art to selecting people in the draft and it's finding the right name that fits who you want to be."
Farmer isn't showing his hand yet, and projections for who the Browns might draft in May are all over the place. Of our four CBSSports.com NFL experts who have compiled a mock draft, two have the Browns taking Johnny Manziel. One has Cleveland selecting Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater and the other has the Browns taking Central Florida quarterback Blake Bortles.
If Farmer does decide to go with a quarterback at No. 4 overall, Browns fans should keep their fingers crossed that the pick goes better than the past three times Cleveland took a quarterback in the first round. If you need a refresher, those three picks were Brandon Weeden (2012), Brady Quinn (2007) and Tim Couch (1999).
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Farmer gives you a whole lot of nothing. Which I agree with more than the, We want Manziel and we want Ben Tate antics of Lombardi. I just could not understand why and for what reason you would leak that information?
Of those 3 QB's listed only Couch was a top 5 pick. The others were passed over by basically every other team in the league.
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Can you not read? I said in my original post that the interviews are the most important.
Wow, get snooty!!! Yes, I can read. You also stated it helps guys move up in the draft based on results in the combine. You provide a list. Remember?
I said these guys surprised media analyst not scouts and GMs.
For everyone, other than cfrs15, who think combine is a big deal...
Browns GM Ray Farmer addresses NE Ohio media at 2014 NFL Combine By Marla Ridenour Published: February 20, 2014
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Just so we are clear:
You don't think a player's performance at the combine has any bearing at all on where they drafted?
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Just so we are clear:
You don't think a player's performance at the combine has any bearing at all on where they drafted?
Only extremes positive or negative GM's go back and do work confirming original assessment. It is now and until draft day GM's look at personalities and how they fit within the roster. To me, this is the most important piece, and the biggest problem currently wrong with the roster. Because of all the turnover there isn't a strong core leadership group representing overall team identity.
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Which is pretty much what I originally said. I am not sure what you and I disagree with other than the fact that the players I listed stocks went up after the combine.
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If there ever is a February to head to the NFL Scouting Combine with pockets bulging with draft picks, this is it.
Last week, Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert told reporters the 2014 draft class “is as deep across the board” as any he has seen in the past 30 years.
Soon to be former Browns CEO Joe Banner speculated the 2014 draft market would be richer than the one in 2013, so he traded the Steelers a 2013 fourth-round pick for Pittsburgh’s third-round pick in 2014. He also traded a fifth-round choice to Indianapolis for the Colts’ 2014 fourth-round choice. Five months later, he traded running back Trent Richardson to Indianapolis for the Colts’ first-round choice, which turned out to be the 26th overall pick.
And we fired him.
Would you guys feel more comfortable if Banner was still overseeing this draft instead of Farmer being a lone wolf?
I would not be... But Farmer isn't exactly a "Lone Wolf" He's got all the same staff that gathered info on all the players and he has access to any reports that Lombardi may have written up as well. He's not alone at all.
I guess I was thinking that the draft process was Banner, Lombardi, Farmer (and possibly even Haslam to some extent). The reason why I thought this was because that is what was directly stated. That was how it worked until last week.
Now, there is no overseeing of the draft by committee. It appears that Farmer is the one making the decisions. Period! I would consider that a "lone wolf".
geez...
I'll try again to those who understand my question.
Would you feel more comfortable if Farmer had to run his selections by Banner first, rather than being the LONE WOLF and having carte blanche with our Browns 10 draft picks?
And, those who are trying to blow off the question by telling me that the scouts now have decision making authority -- I'm not buying it. They don't. They are scouts. Is Farmer answering to the scouts? To Lombardi's reports?
The guy has complete and total control.
He may have to explain decisions that he is going to make with Haslam and Pettine, but it appears that's it.
Glad many of you are good with it. Its gonna take me a few years before I trust him with this kind of control. He has no track record as a final decision making authority in Kansas City.
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From what has been reported, it seems that even Banner and Lombardi weren't even on the same page.
And the fact is, Banner had the final say in decisions. He stated that. The entire "consensus" thing was nothing more than a football PR fabrication. Banner had the final say then and it seems Farmer has it now.
To me, Banner had no real draft record to stand on in the first place and Lombardi's draft record sucked canal water.
So while I don't have total faith in farmer, I don't really see how we could possibly be worse off than we were before.
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I find this interestng: Per Grossi Quote:
It is unusual for a team to fire a GM or personnel executive and then allow him to join another team before the coming draft. The Browns did Lombardi a favor by permitting him to join the Patriots.
I think this says it all. How we view the draft. I think Ray and Coach throw out the old banner/Lombardi draft papers and now will dicate their own. Which could be a good thing.
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If there ever is a February to head to the NFL Scouting Combine with pockets bulging with draft picks, this is it.
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And we fired him.
Would you guys feel more comfortable if Banner was still overseeing this draft instead of Farmer being a lone wolf?
I would not be... But Farmer isn't exactly a "Lone Wolf" He's got all the same staff that gathered info on all the players and he has access to any reports that Lombardi may have written up as well. He's not alone at all.
I guess I was thinking that the draft process was Banner, Lombardi, Farmer (and possibly even Haslam to some extent). The reason why I thought this was because that is what was directly stated. That was how it worked until last week.
Now, there is no overseeing of the draft by committee. It appears that Farmer is the one making the decisions. Period! I would consider that a "lone wolf".
geez...
I'll try again to those who understand my question.
Would you feel more comfortable if Farmer had to run his selections by Banner first, rather than being the LONE WOLF and having carte blanche with our Browns 10 draft picks?
And, those who are trying to blow off the question by telling me that the scouts now have decision making authority -- I'm not buying it. They don't. They are scouts. Is Farmer answering to the scouts? To Lombardi's reports?
The guy has complete and total control.
He may have to explain decisions that he is going to make with Haslam and Pettine, but it appears that's it.
Glad many of you are good with it. Its gonna take me a few years before I trust him with this kind of control. He has no track record as a final decision making authority in Kansas City.
I guess if you feel as if Banner really had any input on the actual talent of a player, then yeah. I guess you may have a point. Lombardi, I'm not sure he was any more than a puppet for Banner.. But again, if you feel Lombardi actually had input, then again, yeah, you have a point.
But, Farmer was quoted as saying he and Pettine were on the same page.. I'd say that Pettine will be in the room and will be adding his input.
But, it does appear that Farmer will be the final decision maker.. The Buck stops at Farmer
I see your point.. 
But it is important not to forget all those guys in scouting that have written a ton of reports on players. Ya Gotta give them credit either way.
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Would you feel more comfortable if Farmer had to run his selections by Banner first, rather than being the LONE WOLF and having carte blanche with our Browns 10 draft picks?
olskool...you can't be serious about Farmer's selections being run by Banner first...
I would simply ask you what sort of draft background/expertise does Banner have that would give you the impression he was qualified to judge Farmer's draft picks ?
Also, this "Lonewolf" scenario you fear...it does not exist..Farmer has help...matter of fact the Browns just hired Bill Kuharich, the former Saints general manager.
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Daniel Jeremiah reporting.
Blake Bortles 6'5 232
Teddy Bridgewater 6'2 1/8 214
Johnny Manziel 5'11 3/4 207
Hand size: Bridgewater- 9 1/4, Bortles- 9 3/8, Manziel- 9 7/8.
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Maybe this comment is a bit overblown, but I think the 214lbs report just solidified Bridgewater as the #1 pick. No more 190lb stuff anymore.
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Steelers' GM Colbert: This is most immature draft class I've seen INDIANAPOLIS -- Steelers GM Kevin Colbert thinks this year's draft class is the deepest he's seen, but it's also the most immature class he's evaluated in his 30 years in the profession. "Experience has told us that a lot of these younger players aren't ready for this," Colbert said Thursday at the NFL Scouting Combine. "It's a huge leap. I don't think a lot of them understand that until they actually get on a playing field and see the increase in the quality of play." He's hinted before that this year's class is heavy with players unready for the NFL, but this was strongest critique yet of the group. "We have to be prepared for more player development-type programs or maybe enhancing your player development so as to get the most out of these younger players." With a record number of underclassmen declaring for this year's draft, it won't be a surprise to hear other personnel executives share similar views during the week in Indy. Many of the underclassmen, including Jadeveon Clowney and Johnny Manziel, are among the highest-rated prospects available this year, and the juniors and redshirt sophomores that declared will be getting a particularly close look from teams at the combine. Given their shorter careers, there's less game tape available to evaluate than there is for seniors, and that means more work during the draft process for general managers to find out just what they're getting in a younger prospect. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...-class-ive-seen
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Daniel Jeremiah reporting.
Blake Bortles 6'5 232
Teddy Bridgewater 6'2 1/8 214
Johnny Manziel 5'11 3/4 207
Hand size: Bridgewater- 9 1/4, Bortles- 9 3/8, Manziel- 9 7/8.
That doesn't do much to change my opinion.. Bridgewater first, Manziel a close second, Bortles a more distant third.
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JC Per WalterFootball these are the prospects we have meetings set up with.... Ted Bolser, TE, Indiana (EW) Donald Hawkins, OT, Texas (EW) Chandler Jones, WR, San Jose State (EW) Devon Kennard, LB, USC (EW) Jack Mewhort, OL, Ohio State (SR) LINK
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I really like Mewhort....would love to draft him in the 2nd or 3rd round
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