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You should post that over in the Pure Football forum on the FO 3 thread. It might enlighten some of the guys who are weighing in on Lombardi having information on the Brown's draft.

Again, why does it matter that he has his evaluations potential draftees? He probably just had a file on his computer and printed it out. What is the big deal here?

Peen, I know he has more talent than anyone else. There was no doubt he was going to blow up the Combine. His measurables are insane.

Once again, I live in Columbia. I know people who know him. I know their former DC because I taught his son. Clowney has big time issues that I have been speaking about for the last 3 years.

He is very undisciplined. People were freaking about Mingo losing outside contain several times last year. Clowney loses outside contain several times a game. He takes plays off. He takes himself out of games. He sleeps in meetings. He sleeps in class. He has people take his tests for him. He said he had an injury when he did not. His gap integrity is putrid. He has a ton of issues that are all related to him not caring enough about the game.

Now, he might change. He has the ability to a be a HOFer, but he also has the mental and emotional make-up to be another Jamarcus Russell.

People are flipping out about gambling on Teddy or Manziel, yet they don't realize that Clowney is the biggest gamble in the entire draft.

And think about this, Peen................did I steer you wrong on Leon? Remember when everyone loved him and were mad at me for putting stuff out there? Think about it, my man.

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Actually, I and pretty much the rest of the board have already moved on, so it's kind of hilarious that you act as the peacemaker of a fire you started yet again to begin with. I was getting annoyed of reading your Revisionist spin on Banner in every thread I opened today, so I thought someone has to destroy that sandcastle before it gets out of Hand again. That was the part of me being an ass. Sorry for that, but I thought it was necessary to make the "spilled milk" point clear.

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After reading your dumb ass post on the TRich thread, I will take this as a No.

How's that Weeden pick looking?

The point was: most have already moved on. You're the one constantly starting agenda fires. If you would stop doing so, you wouldn't need to post peacemaker posts. Just let it go to begin with. The question you posed was a rhetorical one. The problem I see is that you want other's to play by rules that somehow don't apply to you, that's why I suggested a long look in the mirror first.

Back to the combine:

Here's a name to watch tomorrow: CB R.Reynolds from Oregon St. Liked what I saw and that's:

- a very smooth backpedal, very athletic. Should do well in drills and probably workouts
- very alert, always plays the ball. Had 6 picks last season because of it. Very tough to get completions on him, good cover corner
- willing run defender, but can be blocked out of the way because of small frame. Looks more like a nickel-CB, but he has some CB2 in him

Once again.............shut up.

You never start agenda fires. LOL

Back to the combine....


Day 3 observations. That Boise State kid stood out as an OLB conversion along with Chris Smith from Arkansas.

Full notes: http://www.cornerblitz.com/2014/Combine/DL1.aspx

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I asked you guys if you thought Sammy could be as good as AJ Green. Nobody responded. One of those "is this a serious question" type of deals.

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Well, I don't remember the question but I would answer yes. Though he's a slightly different kind of receiver.

I'd say the top 5 WR in the NFL right now are:

Calvin Johnson
AJ Green
Josh Gordon
Dez Bryant
Julio Jones


Close to the list:

Larry Fitzgerald
Brandon Marshall
Alshon Jeffery
Demaryius Thomas
Antonio Brown

I think Fitz is gonna fall off a cliff in production next year.

Matt Millen just said on the air at the combine: "I hate to say it, but the Lions need another WR"



He was a good sport about it though...

Joe Haden is a guest commentator today with the defensive backs working out.

Any views on Jason Verrett from TCU? He is small but Mayock just talked him up pretty good on NFL Network. I don't know anything about him, but he seems like he could be a pretty good 3rd corner behind Skrine and Haden.

Verrett is grabby. He has good skills but he's going to get called for a lot of penalties if he keeps it up. I like Fuller a lot better.

OK State CB - Justin Gilbert
Ran 40 yard dashes @ 4.35 & 4.38
Bench pressed 225 lbs 20 times
6 feet, 202 pounds

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"Agenda Fires"

I'm lovin it.

Am I the only one who finds Vers vs. Django entertaining?

Its adds a whole new element to my football life. They are becoming more and more creative.

Keep it up boys.

Rich Eisen ran his infamous 40, 5.98.



I give the man props, I never seen someone run a 40 in a suit and tie lmao.

Does anyone know his previous times? Is he speeding up? If not, what does that say about his work ethic?

This is the first year he broke six seconds.

So to those who follow the underwear olympics more closely than me... has anybody really made a name for themselves in a "vernon davis" kind of way and shot themselves up the draft board this year?

It's weird to say, but everyone really did as expected to me.

Everyone knew Justin Gilbert was good, but to know that he is also that athletic while being as big as he is is alarming.

My takeaways from yesterday:

http://cornerblitz.com/2014/Combine/DB.aspx

2014 NFL Scouting Combine Coverage - DB

The annual event in Indianapolis is underway. Here's our reaction to the results... and the coverage.

Defensive Back drills are my favorite event at the NFL Scouting Combine. I think you can learn more about the DBs in positional drills at the event than you can at any other position, short of maybe the medical or the team interviews (which obviously we as fans are not privvy to.) Seeing the way the participants react and move without contact best-translates, in my opinion, to the product seen on the field. Very little contact is permitted for these players, so as a defender, raw change-of-direction skills are paramount.

The Tuesday combine coverage started off with contradictions: Mike Mayock questioning whether Darqueze Dennard would be able to show the sub-4.5 speed he would need to justify a top pick, then the statistic was given that last year's average time was a 4.49. He stated Dennard had everything else you look for in a corner but needed to show better-than-average speed. Deion Sanders is celebrating his 25th-Combine Anniversary and stated "for corners... the 40 is everything. You have to run a 4.4." The NFL Network then showed a graphic with "notable CB 40 times", showing Pro Bowlers Brandon Flowers (4.55), Richard Sherman (4.60), and Joe Haden (4.62) all running well outside 4.4 range. Of course, that's not to say that speed doesn't matter, but it's far from the most-important skills on display for the DBs at the combine. The thing about the 40, is that a defensive back is never going to run a 40 unless he's on special teams or he's already been burned and he's trying to chase a player down. The most important thing for a DB is, again, change-of-direction.

Defensive Backs: Group 1

Florida State Free Safety Terrence Brooks ran a terrific 40 . Mike Mayock commented on Brooks, saying "I've got a second round grade on him, with an arrow pointing up." When Deion asked Rich Eisen if he also had an arrow, Mayock reiterated "I've gotta tell you... the arrow is pointing up." We get it, Mike... Brooks showed well in drills throughout the day.

Ross Cockrell of Duke really helped himself with a terrific 40 time in the low 4.4s. Most prognosticators have him as a 4th round pick, and if a team can pick him up there, they've got themselves a steal. I think he's a second-round talent. He was high in his backpedal all day.

Michigan State's Darqueze Dennard answered Mike Mayock's reservations with a 4.42 40 time. He stumbled pretty clearly in transition out of his backpedal, though. That's one thing I noticed about Dennard is that he doesn't backpedal in games, rather choosing to play press off the line and turn immediately.

Kyle Fuller of Virginia Tech, whom I agree with Mayock is a first-round talent, ran a 4.40 40 time.

Justin Gilbert of Oklahoma State clocked in at 4.35 unofficially. Mayock showed a very nice brief breakdown of Gilbert's body control and change-of-direction and said he is likely the first DB to be taken in the upcoming draft. Gilbert backpedaled and transitioned well, but as my wife said "he's got a goofy hand thing going on." Gilbert later made a spectacular, natural snatch catch in drills while covering deep in drills.

Vanderbilt's Andre Hal also ran in the low 4.4s. Hal is a guy with terrific ball skills and good ability to play in zone, but for some reason is not a good man cover corner. He lets receivers get right into him and turns too late. I think that can be coached, though, and he can become a regular contributor. Most projections have him in the 6th or 7th round, which would represent great value if the team is willing to coach him up.

Lindenwood's Pierre Desir is one of the more interesting defensive back prospects in that his skill floor and ceiling are so far apart. He is huge with a long wingspan and ran a 4.52 40 yard dash. He transitioned extremely well for his size in the backpedal-and-go drill. He showed hot and cold at the Shrine Game and Senior Bowl. A team with an extra pick in the 3rd or 4th round could do well to gamble on him.

Rice's Phillip Gaines timed the fastest of all the DBs in the first group, checking in at 4.34 unofficial times twice. He also covers a lot of ground in his backpedal. Very smooth in drills. He was clearly the most capable and prepared in executing the drills.

Clemson's Bashaud Breeland showed a very smooth flip in the backpedal-and-go drill.

Safety Deone Bucannon of Washington State stumbled a little in transition from backpedal in drills after running a good time in the 40.

Virginia Tech's Antone Exum is clumsy backpedaling and turning.

Wyoming's Marqueston Huff was too high in his backpedal and looked like he might trip. He didn't time his jumps well and didn't catch the ball.

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix of Alabama showed good speed but was somewhat awkward in drills.

Victor Hampton of South Carolina performed really well in drills, especially the deep cover drill. He is completely ripped and looks like he can make a real mess in the defensive backfield.

Jonathon Dowling of Western Kentucky showed terrific ball skills, actually understanding and putting into practice the concept of "high-pointing" the ball, extending back behind his head to make a terrific catch at full extension.

Ahmad Brooks of Baylor showed pretty poor footwork, but his game is more reacting to the play than man coverage skills.

The throwing quarerbacks during the DB drills were terrible.

Defensive Backs: Group 2

Stanley Jean-Baptiste of Nebraska ran a 4.53. He has been the focus of a lot of the draft season coverage for the defensive secondary due to his 6'2 5/8" height and the success that Seattle has had with tall corners. He didn't get low in his backpedal, which essentially eliminates its usefulness. The purpose of a defensive back's backpedal is not to help them see the play, it is to allow them to plant and drive to the ball if the receiver breaks a route in front of them or if the ball is thrown in front of them. He did do a better job on his second run through the transition drill.

Immediately following Jean-Baptiste was NC State's Dontae Johnson, a 6'2" corner who ran a 4.45. Johnson showed some superior agility to Jean-Baptiste.

Florida State's Lamarcus Joyner isn't winning any contests with measurables. At 5'8" running a 4.53 isn't going to help him, but the guy just makes huge plays when the game starts. He reminds me a lot of Tyrann Mathieu in terms of his knack for creating in the defensive secondary without being a crazy person. Mike Mayock had the identical comparison on the broadcast. Joyner seems to have some really long arms. He moves very fluidly through positional drills.

Keith McGill of Utah ran terrific 40s at 6'3 1/2" at 4.47 and 4.44. He will probably get drafted in the top 75 on measureables and athleticism alone. Hos long legs did start to get a little clumsy in the deep cover drill.

Louchiez Purifoy of Florida exploded out of the blocks on the 40, but was a bit out of control and only managed a 4.55. He was also out of control in the backpedal drill.

Marcus Roberson of Florida turned up disappointing 40 times of a 4.66 and a 4.59. Both of the highly-rated Florida corners showed poorly. They've looked good every time I've seen them play, but in this apples-to-apples athleticism comparison, they looked plain bad.

Maine's Kendall James overcame some nervousness to show decent transition skills in positional drills.

Jason Verrett leans back in his backpedal, which again eliminates its usefulness. He was a grabby player at TCU and typically was in follow coverage, so it's not very natural for him. He did run a fast 40 at 4.38.

Calvin Pryor of Louisville, considered by many to be the top safety in the class had problems with his long speed in the deep cover drill. Pryor also had trouble coming forward out of his bakpedal with all that weight he carries around. While only listed at 207, he looks really bulky. He is not going to be a good centerfielder in the NFL.

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The best part of the combine every year.

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I agree because it's 6 seconds or so that we don't have to listen to him talk!