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Say Teddy goes at one, and we can't make the deal to go get him, and say Bortles goes at three. Does anyone besides me pass on Manziel and take Garoppolo in the 4th and Mathews in the 7th? If there are trade partners to be had, and since this is a fairly deep draft, we could possibly trade out of the 4 spot, trading down perhaps a couple times to pick up more 2nd and/or 3rd round picks and really round out the team. We could fill needs at receiver, guard, corner, safety, ILB & RB and still have two potentially great future QB's to develop. How crazy is that?
In this scenario we also come away with the Saints 2015 1st rd pick:
Round 1 Pick 26: Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California
Round 1 Pick 28 (CAR): Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
Round 2 Pick 3: Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG, UCLA
Round 2 Pick 26 (N.O.): Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford
Round 3 Pick 7: Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin
Round 3 Pick 19: Terrence Brooks, FS, Florida State
Round 3 Pick 27 (N.O.): Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State
Round 3 Pick 28 (CAR): Keith McGill, CB, Utah
Round 4 Pick 6: Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois
Round 4 Pick 27: Jimmie Ward, SS, Northern Illinois
Round 5 Pick 5: Jeremy Hill, RB, LSU
Round 6 Pick 4: Dontae Johnson, FS, North Carolina State
Round 7 Pick 3: Jeff Mathews, QB, Cornell
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I like that thought. But...I don't think Garp lasts until the 4th. I would say if we trade down a little, then I would use the 2nd 2nd round pick that we would pick up and make sure I got him. Not sure where he will go. If he is a good QB then somebody will take him pretty high.
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Garapollo definitely won't last til the 4th and Hyde probably won't make it to the third. I'd take Garapollo at 26 or our first pick in the 2nd round if we can't land Teddy, Johnny, or Bortles.
Also, I'd hate taking two WRs in the 1st round.
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I like Garoppolo - he reminds me of Kurt Warner - but I think he'll be drafted in the 2nd round.
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If you're the GM, you take him where you value him... I took the two WR's in the first, because on my board they we're the highest rated left at those picks, not because I felt we need to take two WR's in the first. The draft is more of an example of how we could fill out our needs and improve the team more than a commentary on who I'd like to draft where, but you guys get the idea. 
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If we stay at pick four and Manziel is still there we have to take him. It is an easy choice.
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Maybe an easy choice for you and some others. I'm not convinced. But I do see the draw and understand the attraction.
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Maybe some of you would prefer this draft, particularly those who may value Hyde & Garopollo as 2nd rounders. Two trade downs but no 2015 pick:
Round 1 Pick 10 (DET): Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
Round 1 Pick 26: David Yankey, OG, Stanford
Round 2 Pick 3: Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford
Round 2 Pick 9 (BUF): Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State
Round 2 Pick 13 (DET): Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois
Round 3 Pick 7: Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford
Round 3 Pick 9 (BUF): Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame
Round 3 Pick 19: Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska
Round 4 Pick 6: Jared Abbrederis, WR, Wisconsin
Round 4 Pick 9 (BUF): Jimmie Ward, SS, Northern Illinois
Round 4 Pick 27: Jaylen Watkins, CB, Florida
Round 5 Pick 5: Brandon Thomas, OG, Clemson
Round 6 Pick 4: Terrance West, RB, Towson
Round 7 Pick 3: Jeff Mathews, QB, Cornell
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Maybe you have slipped in Linder OG, Miami in the 3rd or 4th. Make me a happy camper...
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See, now if you two had been in my pretend war room during my fake draft, we could have discussed all this. 
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I just can't get on board with this. Garappolo had the smallest hands of any of the QB's. He played garbage competition and he leaves much to be desired physically. I will be shocked if someone takes him in the 2nd round. He has (from me) a 4th round grade at best.
Basically, this, who remembers Dan Lefevour? Bueller? Bueller?
He was the Jimmy Garapolo of 2010. Small school guy that put up huge numbers for some reason people were sure he was going to be good. Last I checked he was out of football. Garapolo has so much working against him I can't even consider it a Viable option. I do not think he can play in this league.
Who knows, maybe lighting strikes twice and we have two Tony Romo's, but it is HIGHLY, HIGHLY unlikely.
Draft QB's early and often until we get it right. I am sick of the scraps.....Weeden....Quinn....Frye...McCoy...
I'm sick of it! Trade up if we need to, do something, anything but 3 more years with a project at QB, ANYTHING!
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Who knows, maybe lighting strikes twice and we have two Tony Romo's, but it is HIGHLY, HIGHLY unlikely.
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Who knows, maybe lighting strikes twice and we have two Tony Romo's, but it is HIGHLY, HIGHLY unlikely.
Joe Flacco?
He was a first round pick that Baltimore traded up to get. He had all the physical skill sets. I don't see the correlation.
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He's from a small school and put up huge numbers.
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He's from a small school and put up huge numbers.
He also has all the physical tools to be successful. And he went to a big school until the coach stupidly picked Tyler Palko over him to start.
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He's from a small school and put up huge numbers.
He's 6'6 and had a first round grade for a team that was a quarterback away from the superbowl. Not 6'3, from an even smaller school with a generous 2nd round grade as well, going to a team that has won nothing in 20+ years.
Basically, we can't afford the luxury of taking a project and  hoping he pans out.
Just look at this article on Lefevour and tell me that doesn't sound like reports on Garapollo?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/35086...ise-quarterback
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I can't believe people are really talking themselves into Garappolo. I don't see him going before the fourth round.
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Apart from the QB question (which I am in the camp of pick a TOP QB rather than waiting), why in the world would we want 14 rookies on our roster? Are we that dubious of our scouting staff that we need to take a quantity over quality approach and hope the percentages eventually work in our favour?
Let us use our ammo to get the guys we want rather than looking for the red light special late rounders. I'd rather have 4 rookies that contribute meaningfully and/or start than refilling our practice squad.
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I can't believe people are really talking themselves into Garappolo. I don't see him going before the fourth round.
If you really like him, that's one thing, but I hate this thinking that we should sell our selves short at QB, because we want to use high picks for other areas of the team. That's stupid.
I want this organization to identify the absolute best QB in this draft, and do whatever they can do go and get him, especially if they feel that one guy is way above the rest.
I don't want this getting a WR and stud RB and OL so that we can plug in any crappy QB from round 6.
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Yes. I was thinking the exact same thing. We would take 14 rookies in this example, but how many are actually good enough to make the team. And this is not including undrafted rookies.
We currently have ten picks and I think that is too many.
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Draft QB's early and often until we get it right. I am sick of the scraps.....Weeden....Quinn....Frye...McCoy...
Two of those were 1st rounders.. but you knew that.
Point is, drafting QB's early and often doesn't guarantee you anything. Niether does drafting QBs late and often...
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Does anyone besides me pass on Manziel and take Garoppolo in the 4th and Mathews in the 7th?
I've seen Garoppolo considered as high as the second round...
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I'm sick of it! Trade up if we need to, do something, anything but 3 more years with a project at QB, ANYTHING!
I get your frustration, I really do. I'm merely floating the possibility that there is value in the later rounds, specifically with these two guys, and that maybe we already have our starter on the roster. Odds are, you will get your wish and get one of the top three QBs, even if that means it ends up being Manziel.
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Drafting a QB in the top 10 guarantees you a pretty good chance of success. As long as they should actually go top 10. We know Teddy should. Manziel maybe. Bortles maybe less.
That said with the news of Jimmy having miniscule hands(huge deal in colder weather) I'd rather skip QB before the 4th if we can't trade up for Teddy or Johnny at 4. I'm not buying the Bortles hype. I still think he's a 2nd rounder.
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In the last draft I posted, (as merely an example of course,) the first three rounds are guys I would consider starter/sub material and the later rounds (4th on) would be considered depth in areas of weakness. JMHO
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Two of those were 1st rounders.. but you knew that.
Point is, drafting QB's early and often doesn't guarantee you anything. Niether does drafting QBs late and often...
Extremely valid point.
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In the last draft I posted, (as merely an example of course,) the first three rounds are guys I would consider starter/sub material and the later rounds (4th on) would be considered depth in areas of weakness. JMHO
The simulator is pretty bad with trade value to be honest. And it only uses future 1sts. It's hard to trade away picks you acquire.
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Yeah, and the ranking aren't the best either. You can though trade up if you package an attractive enough set of picks.
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Two of those were 1st rounders.. but you knew that.
Point is, drafting QB's early and often doesn't guarantee you anything. Niether does drafting QBs late and often...
Extremely valid point.
It's all about picking the right guy. Doesn't matter where you get him. But no matter where you get him, you need to surround him with guys that have the ability to carry out your game plan. Whatever it is. Do that, and you can win. JMO
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Two of those were 1st rounders.. but you knew that.
Point is, drafting QB's early and often doesn't guarantee you anything. Niether does drafting QBs late and often...
That's not my point. My point is that even Weeden and Quinn were guys other teams didn't want or passed on. In the case of Quinn, we got it right by passing on him only to get him anyway. Weeden had a 3rd round grade and Quinn was all pretty boy hype "NFL ready". Neither deserved a first round grade.
By early and often, I meant with our first pick, not the second pick in the first round. Both of those guys were post #20 IIRC
Move up, stay put, doesn't matter, draft a top 5 QB. Make it "our" guy but GO GET HIM.
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JC. I like your mocks. I am not sold on any of the QB's. But I do like the bigger typical style QB's. So I guess I am biased. I do not get the hype for "scatbacks" that can play a little QB. However I do like a QB that can move around. It seems the little guys always end up getting hurt in this division. Where is that QB that is big and athletic enough to avoid the rushes that it seems the Browns always have the proper holes for? That is who I want.  Also I think Hyde is the best Back in the draft. He does everything exceptionally well. Not blazing fast. But very smooth running and fancy feet. And what looks to be surprising strength if you are the one trying to tackle him.. It would not be shocked if he goes in the first round. And I would not be mad at all if the Browns took him with #26 overall. But I would be mad if he gets picked up by a division rival after we had a shot at him. Also I like Jeff Mathews /Cornell. A lot of mocks have the Ravens taking him in the fifth.
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I'll put it on my "bucket list"...
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Garappolo had the smallest hands of any of the QB's.
From NFL.com:
"Concerns about Eastern Illinois QB Jimmy Garoppolo's hand size were eased a bit when his measured 9 1/4 inches. Many consider 9 inches to be the minimum standard for NFL quarterbacks. Other notable measurements:
» Bridgewater: 6-2 1/8, 214 pounds, 9 1/4 hands."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...-at-nfl-combine
They are not "the smallest hands of any the QBs", and while they're not huge, JG's hands should not be compared to Michael Vick (8-1/2) or Charlie Frye (8-3/4). While your other concerns about Garoppolo may or may not be valid, I would not be worried about his hand size.
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If we stay at pick four and Manziel is still there we have to take him. It is an easy choice.
I think so too. I don't mind the notion of a very high draft pick QB and a later round guy to groom...
I do not like the idea of 2 pretty big ? QBs...
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For everyone that ever busted on Frye & McCoy's fumble issues because of hand size....
Frye: 9 3/4"
McCoy: 9 3/8"
So... "Just Say No" to Bridgewater, then?
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Frye: 9 3/4"
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So... "Just Say No" to Bridgewater, then?
two posts up it says Fry was 8 3/4.. can we get our facts straight.
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Funny, the site I was on said Frye's were 8-3/4 ... I'll try to find it. If its just about hands, maybe they should take the guy from Cornell, his hands are 10-3/8.
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Frye: 9 3/4"
McCoy: 9 3/8"
So... "Just Say No" to Bridgewater, then?
Frye and McCoy were OK with the ball in their hands ...........the problem was just everything that happened once the ball left their hands.  
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