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What? I'd say he shows a lot of compentence......the last one maybe not.
Like I have said before, I don't mind mistakes. Everybody makes them.....yes, even billionaires....What makes HIM different is he doesn't stick with a wrong decision.....I like that.
I like the fact we have a team owner who is active and insists on results and can afford to make changes in his desire to bring a winner. Randy could have afforded to make changes, he just didn't.
I couldn't agree more. I'm not completely sold on Haslam, but I'm far from ready to run him out on a rail. I actually kind of like the guy. He has taken it squarely on the chin a few times since becoming owner, yet he has stayed on mission; that mission seems to be getting it right.
I really can't blame him for bailing and going back to Flying J when the crap hit the fan for him, he has to take care of his family business and try to fend off the wolves at the door (or the peasants with their pitchforks). And if he is eventually charged with a crime and convicted, then and only then will I think less of him for it.
I also give him a rookie mulligan on the Banner/Lombardi/Chud thing, he was definitely swayed by other he thought had his best interest... Like any other business though, I wouldn't take business advice from competitors Jimmy.
Now only time will tell if he is a good owner or not. This draft will not define him. This FO will not define him. Only time will define him.
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"rookie Mulligan" I think that might just be the way to put it.
Remember something, Art Rooney screwed up for 30 years or more before he got it right. sometimes it just take a little OJT to get it right. sure hope it doesn't take haslam that long LOL
I was ticked off when he fired Chud. But faith was somewhat restored when he got rid of Banner and Lombardi. ( NOT COMPLETELY RESTORED, BUT SOME WHAT)
It was like he saw something (I don't know what) that he didn't like about the whole situation and said, hell with it, I'm blowing it up and starting over.
I've been managing businesses for years and rarely is a complete blow up and rebuild required.
Rarely, but sometimes, it's the only thing you can do to fix a mess that runs deep.
I have no way of knowing this for sure of course, but it sure feels as if Haslam came to the conclusion that we had a dysfunctional FO and decided to just say,, that's it, I'm taking this thing back and running it like a business my way.
Now for sure, we can look at Haslam and say,, look at the mess PFJ is in and say what kinda business man is he really.
But the truth is, he took it from pretty much a Mom and Pop operation and turned it into a 28 billion dollar company., That can't be easy and it doesn't come without challenges.
Yes, there are problems at PFJ, yes, he may have known, but in the end, he's got the business savvy to get it right.
will he? But he does have the skills... I sure as hell hope so. I'm tired of losing.
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"rookie Mulligan" I think that might just be the way to put it.
Remember something, Art Rooney screwed up for 30 years or more before he got it right. sometimes it just take a little OJT to get it right. sure hope it doesn't take haslam that long LOL
The only difference being if Rooney used Haslam's approach there'd have been something like 50+ coaches in their history  
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Gotta throw my hat in the opposing ring.
How can anyone think he's looked competent? He's looked like a clueless buffoon the entire time.
I say that with the caveat that the book has yet to be written, and there's a lot of avenues one can find hope or solace in...
...but where has he looked competent?
I know why Ballpeen holds out that blind optimism, and I don't fault him for it...but how do you find competence there unless you're desperately hoping to find it to the point where you narrow the lanes?
Thus far he's looked like a boob who won a contest. That's not a set in stone narrative - it could be a bad Chapter One look...but thus far, how does one see competence unless they're desperate to find it?
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I would say the point that up till now, it's not what has he done to look competent, it's what has he actually even done?
The talk is that Banner was brought in by the league to help him. Banner brought in Lombardi. Banner and Lombardi were the guys going after Kelly and Saban (obviously with Jimmy's input)
Banner and Lombardi were the guys that "settled" for Chud, and then barely gave him a raft to stand on when they pushed him over the waterfall...
It seems to me, firing Banner and Lombardi (and I guess Chud, but I still feel that was influenced by the other two) was his first real move as an owner almost...
So if that's the case, can you be "incompetent" if you haven't really done anything yet?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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So if that's the case, can you be "incompetent" if you haven't really done anything yet?
I guess if you frame it under the parameters of 'Guy A was forced upon him, and he stood back while Guy A hired Guy B and Guy C' you could look at it that way.
But I don't think anyone thinking critically would look at it that way. It's a highly implausible 'if that's the case...' scenario.
I'm not trying to drag the guy in the gutter. There's nothing to say definitively that he's incompetent. But he certainly looks that way thus far. And I don't really see how anyone with a vested interest in hope that he isn't could think otherwise.
Ballpeen's point is that the guy screwed up majorly as a new owner, but was wise enough to correct such errors. Haslam paints it that way himself, as well.
And while that's certainly a viable possibility, it's often hard to believe a screw up who says 'I'll make up for it!'
It's equally as shortsighted to write his initial screw up off as a sure sign of incompetence...but it certainly doesn't indicate competence, unless one is scrambling to find competence.
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JC..... Peen, as I said in a later post, I should have put the "incompetent billionaire" remark in purple, as it was pure sarcasm.. sorry about that! My position actually mirrors yours in relation to this topic.. so I just wanted to make a clarification.  I think he has shown great fortitude and character in standing up and doing what he thought was the correct thing to do.. not just the popular one....
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So we let the whole coaching staff go,and now this? This franchise has turned into a realityTV show,that actually IS reality.Jimmy better pray this new staff and GM work out,
because people will avoid this team like the plague now.I've never seen or even heard of this much instability in such a short amount of time before.However,I'm really not sad a bit to see them go.This team is going to have to win next year,in order to build some trust up again.
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Continuity...?
Continuity for the sake of continuity?
In the case of Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi...continuity for the sake of continuity is nothing more than an excuse to keep unqualified management employed.
In the short time that both Banner and Lombardi were employed by Haslam, both managed to do enough to get themselves fired...truth is, neither should have been hired and Haslam has no one to blame but himself.
Nothing worse that an incompetent billionaire...
Why don't we just move forward......
What? I'd say he shows a lot of compentence......the last one maybe not.
Like I have said before, I don't mind mistakes. Everybody makes them.....yes, even billionaires....What makes HIM different is he doesn't stick with a wrong decision.....I like that.
I like the fact we have a team owner who is active and insists on results and can afford to make changes in his desire to bring a winner. Randy could have afforded to make changes, he just didn't.
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On this, I agree with Peen in the context that Haslam is now beginning to show some competitence.
It did take a lot to move Haslam, but a second coaching search where the best candidates said "no" to the Browns had to be a concern for Haslam.
Banner's reported conduct during the most recent coaching search may have been the tipping point ...it was like Banner could not control his emotions in front of his boss...Banner's reported conduct during the Whisenhunt iand Schiano interviews may have convinced Haslam that Banner had to go.
In all honesty, I believe Haslam showed great restraint with Banner but finally realized Banner and Lombardi were casting such a negative shadow over the entire franchise that Haslam had no choice but to fire both.
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JC I read through these multiple threads and I see... "incompetent, stupid, Stooge, in over his head, no one will come here, every good coach prospect said no because of haslam" etc etc... "oh by the way I thnk it was a good move"
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One of two things is true. Either Haslam knew full well that the executives directly under him were stealing millions from their customers. OR he's completely oblivious to what's going on around him and is utterly incapable of hiring an honest and trustworthy staff. He was hip deep in thieves at PFJ. TEN have plead out so far. Most were directly under Haslam at PFJ. So either Jimmy is horrible at hiring people, or he condones stealing from his customers. Either way, it doesn't look good. Still, it would be very bad for this franchise if he were indicted. Here's hoping he's just horrible at hiring employees and not an outright criminal.
He did do the right thing by ridding us of Banner. And if he got really lucky with the Farmer hire(time will tell if Farmer is the GM we all hope he will be)then hopefully Jimmy can make himself scarce and let Farmer and company do their jobs.
That was Banners biggest problem. Not allowing those he hired to do the job he hired them to do.... I'm not a huge Lombardi fan, but he had been a GM before. He had done the job. If Banner really thought Lombardi was the man to be our GM, he should have let the man BE the GM.
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One of two things is true. Either Haslam knew full well that the executives directly under him were stealing millions from their customers. OR he's completely oblivious to what's going on around him and is utterly incapable of hiring an honest and trustworthy staff. He was hip deep in thieves at PFJ. TEN have plead out so far. Most were directly under Haslam at PFJ. So either Jimmy is horrible at hiring people, or he condones stealing from his customers.
If it were that simple, the puzzle at PFJ would have been solved by now. it's not!
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One of two things is true. Either Haslam knew full well that the executives directly under him were stealing millions from their customers. OR he's completely oblivious to what's going on around him and is utterly incapable of hiring an honest and trustworthy staff. He was hip deep in thieves at PFJ. TEN have plead out so far. Most were directly under Haslam at PFJ. So either Jimmy is horrible at hiring people, or he condones stealing from his customers. Either way, it doesn't look good. Still, it would be very bad for this franchise if he were indicted. Here's hoping he's just horrible at hiring employees and not an outright criminal.
He did do the right thing by ridding us of Banner. And if he got really lucky with the Farmer hire(time will tell if Farmer is the GM we all hope he will be)then hopefully Jimmy can make himself scarce and let Farmer and company do their jobs.
That was Banners biggest problem. Not allowing those he hired to do the job he hired them to do.... I'm not a huge Lombardi fan, but he had been a GM before. He had done the job. If Banner really thought Lombardi was the man to be our GM, he should have let the man BE the GM.
maybe so.....or maybe he got hoodwinked once he set his sights on a football team and started to back out of the family business a bit and started to concentrate on football matters while with the Steelers. The timelines seem to mesh.
Halsam says he didn't know. I am not saying that is true. It could turn out that it isn't, but there seems to be a bottleneck in taking this any further up the ladder.
This isn't some Mob case where everything is done in secret and on the hush-hush. Pilot is a fairly large company. If Haslam was directing this scam, it would be fairly easy to trace even if they tried to cover the tracks.
You seem to have a agenda.....so what is it?
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One of two things is true. Either Haslam knew full well that the executives directly under him were stealing millions from their customers. OR he's completely oblivious to what's going on around him and is utterly incapable of hiring an honest and trustworthy staff. He was hip deep in thieves at PFJ. TEN have plead out so far. Most were directly under Haslam at PFJ. So either Jimmy is horrible at hiring people, or he condones stealing from his customers.
I don't believe this is 100% true. I was only able to find one VP (VP of sales) that is believed to have been involved. He's the only guy with a title that could possibly be reporting directly to Haslam (and I'd be willing to bet there's one more layer between this VP and Jimmy). The rest are directors, regional sales people, and lower. Those positions won't be reporting to Haslam, or even to one of Haslam's direct reports (several layers down).
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or maybe he got hoodwinked once he set his sights on a football team and started to back out of the family business a bit and started to concentrate on football matters while with the Steelers. The timelines seem to mesh.
C'mon, Peen, I like Haslam and I think he probably finally got things headed in the right direction with the Browns. But I'd certainly hope he can concentrate on more than one thing at a time.
By saying the football business distracted him so much he let almost a dozen people commit some fairly serious felonies at his main business kinda makes him look more like a country bumpkin than some on here make him out to be.
The next 8 months should tell us whether he's the owner we should have had all along or a Daniel Snyder wannabe. I'm more than willing to withhold final judgement until at least then.
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Oh yea, the next major event to reflect on the Cleveland Browns franchise...Haslam's Pilot-Flying J problem.
The way the Gov is going about this case, securing plea deals with those involved, working their way up the chain of command, it sure looks like Haslam is toast.
The big question, if Haslam is found guilty, will he be able to stay out of jail?
It seems that Haslam's lawyers are setting up a defense that includes PFJ/Haslam's willingness to make things right with all of those companies that were shorted...setting up a possible plea deal that keeps Jimmy out of jail...JMO.
There is another factor...the political connections JH has...he roomed with Tenn Senator Bob Corker in college and his brother is the Gov of Tenn.
Will it work?...I have no idea.
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One of two things is true. Either Haslam knew full well that the executives directly under him were stealing millions from their customers. OR he's completely oblivious to what's going on around him and is utterly incapable of hiring an honest and trustworthy staff. He was hip deep in thieves at PFJ. TEN have plead out so far. Most were directly under Haslam at PFJ. So either Jimmy is horrible at hiring people, or he condones stealing from his customers.
I don't believe this is 100% true. I was only able to find one VP (VP of sales) that is believed to have been involved. He's the only guy with a title that could possibly be reporting directly to Haslam (and I'd be willing to bet there's one more layer between this VP and Jimmy). The rest are directors, regional sales people, and lower. Those positions won't be reporting to Haslam, or even to one of Haslam's direct reports (several layers down).
WOW, that made it sound like I said that, I didn't. I was quoting someone else..LOL
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Oh yea, the next major event to reflect on the Cleveland Browns franchise...Haslam's Pilot-Flying J problem.
The way the Gov is going about this case, securing plea deals with those involved, working their way up the chain of command, it sure looks like Haslam is toast.
The big question, if Haslam is found guilty, will he be able to stay out of jail?
It seems that Haslam's lawyers are setting up a defense that includes PFJ/Haslam's willingness to make things right with all of those companies that were shorted...setting up a possible plea deal that keeps Jimmy out of jail...JMO.
There is another factor...the political connections JH has...he roomed with Tenn Senator Bob Corker in college and his brother is the Gov of Tenn.
Will it work?...I have no idea.
I have to admit, the way the Feds are going about the investigation of PFJ and perhaps Haslam reminds me a lot of how the Feds went after the corrupt politicians in Cuyahoga county.
it took a long time (about 2 years I think), it was methodical and well planned and executed. And they appear to have gotten all the big fish. Now they are mopping up the little fish.
If they handle this case like that one, this isn't close to over.. Haslam is a smart guy with a pocket full of money and comes from a respected family with (as you put it) political connections and pull.
As for the Browns, there is ample reason to believe whatever happens to Haslam won't hurt the Browns.
His father will take over and probably at some point, his Brother or other family members. I mean if it comes to that.
And I'm by no means saying it will. I do not know the truth. I have no insider knowledge.
But I will say this, when you run a company that size, things can and often do slip by you. I've run WAY WAY smaller divisions of companies and things got by me as well.
The trick is, when you do find out, you fix it. At that point, that's about all you can do.
We'll see what happens next.
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Some people just don't want to let it go.
In mob cases, there are no e-mails and public records. It takes longer. Even though this is a private company, there are still plenty of records that could implicate Haslam.
The fact this is going as long has it has indicates to me Haslam didn't know. Unlike some others, I hope I am not wrong.
It almot seems like some hope the guy is guilty of a crime. What's up with that?
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Some people just don't want to let it go.
In mob cases, there are no e-mails and public records. It takes longer. Even though this is a private company, there are still plenty of records that could implicate Haslam.
The fact this is going as long has it has indicates to me Haslam didn't know. Unlike some others, I hope I am not wrong.
It almot seems like some hope the guy is guilty of a crime. What's up with that?
Based on my limited exposure to this kind of stuff, the longer it drags out, the higher up they are shooting for. Haslam is at the top of that pile. Just look at the Cuyahoga County scandal..
Anyway, I hope it turns out that Haslam was duped by employees..
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I garner the opposite from that fact.
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Agreed. The longer this goes on the higher up the food chain they are shooting for. I imagine they are gathering evidence on the underlings to force them to plea bargain and testify on the big guys (which still might not be Jimmmaaay). I hope he didn't do it, because I don't believe the franchise could take that kind of distraction/hit right now. However, I am convinced they are shooting for a big fish on this one.
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No "agenda". It's fact. Either he knew and was part of the scheme, or he's stupid and hired a BUNCH of thieves to work under him. I don't LIKE the thought of the owner of the team I love being a thief or a complete idiot. That doesn't change the reality of the situation. Don't agree? Fine. Give me a third option.... Because I can't think of one. You hire one or two bad apples it can be marked up to bad luck. Cost of doing business. If virtually your entire sales staff is stealing your customers blind? There's more going on than an accidental bad hire or two.
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I garner the opposite from that fact.
I don't know if Haslam knew, but I think the Feds are digging to find out who knew what and when.
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I guess if you actually believe the CEO of a major corporation is the one holding the interviews and doing the hiring of people several rungs below himself on the ladder, you may have a point.
But I doubt anyone who knows anything about corporate structure buys that.
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Is anyone concerned that Lombardi knows exactly what Farmer wants in the draft. Farmer did work and showed his work to Lombardi. Now Belicheck snatches him up and now should have extra insight on another teams draft board. Im surprise I havnt seen anyone else concerned about this. As soon as I saw Lombardi was fired, one of my first thoughts was "Great, now Belicheck is going to pay this guy to get another teams work on what their scouts have been doing." If Lombardi was doing his job, which Im not even sure he was a real GM, then he should have Farmers and all the scouts homework from the whole season. Which I think is way more important then the combine.
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If New England had the same needs as we did, it may be a concern. If you believe that Lombardi's opinions on the draft and his strategy would impact BB believe it may be some concern.
But I simply don't see a connect the dots there. Had Lombardi have gone to a team in our own division or a team that drafted just ahead of us I would be outraged. But I simply don't think it really has any impact on us in the grand scheme of things.
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Is anyone concerned that Lombardi knows exactly what Farmer wants in the draft. Farmer did work and showed his work to Lombardi.
I don't think so. I said it before, I think Ray and Coach threw out the Banlombard draft when they were gone. Ray and the Coach have been talking about finding tough Football players. Banner/Lombardi were more numbers guys. I don't know...It seems to me that these guys have their own players in mind. Like I said before, I think Farmer went all the way to the round file with Banner/Lombardi and laughed as he watched them fall. 
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I think that is a good point. There is no doubt that the Browns had their own "big board." Every scout contributed to it. There is little doubt that Lombardi knows who the Browns like and don't like in this draft. He also knows what positions are more important then others.
I'm not sure how much of an effect it will have on the draft, but it could be a factor. Man, the timing of the firings was so stupid.
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I guess if you actually believe the CEO of a major corporation is the one holding the interviews and doing the hiring of people several rungs below himself on the ladder, you may have a point.
But I doubt anyone who knows anything about corporate structure buys that.
Exactly..
It's just crazy to assume that he knew everything that was going on at every corner of a 28 Billion Dollar Company...
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I'm certain Lombardi didn't walk out with a loaded laptop nor a stack of scouting reports.While certain info he has gathered from our scouts will be helpful to the Pats,at the end of the day Belicheck is going to do what he was going to do.
I think the most damage that this has caused,would be that the trade for Mallett is now dead.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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I think a big benefit this has caused,would be that the trade for Mallett is now dead.
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Read my post. I've read before that the Browns did not have to let Lombardi go seek another team. I really think Farmers draft is so much different, that it doesn't matter. Like I said before, Lom/Banner wanted great combine numbers guys, and Farmer & Coach want tough, football smart players. If they thought Lombardi was a threat then they would have denied the request.
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What makes you think that their drafts are completely different?
This should be interesting.
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Just watch some of the interviews with Farmer. Then some comments from Carucci. He keeps coming back to the point of how Farmer is a work horse type of player guy. Then comments on how Lom/Banner were looking for the combine numbers guy. Maybe I read to much into that but it is there. You just get the feeling that these are two very different guys with two very different plans. No doubt they have had some of the same guys in sight, but like Carucci has said, if they thought he was a threat they would have denied the move, that says a lot of how different I think they were.
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You cant deny a request of someone you fired.
Im sure they have different directions, its just that Farmers job was to write reports on his directions and to show them to the brain trust ahead of them in job title. Lombardis job was to read it, and the other scouts homework. I think Lombardi has a lot of info stored on read he has been working on that he didn't need to take home the team laptop. Plus, the work he would have stored on his own laptop. Belicheck studying another teams plans could only be beneficial, even if only to be a team and to know another teams homework. He will be the only team that has their own work and another teams direction.
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