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That's great. We'll have to see who gets taken where and then how they perform at the NFL level.
That's really the only way to find out.
I assumed someone here would know ahead of time...
Seems that way most of the time...
Well, I do know ahead of time. I'm just willing to let time prove it for me. 
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Ridiculous.
Ridiculous?
How about you list all the trades in the last 3 or 4 years? They are so common? Teams regularly give up high picks for guys w/Sheard's numbers. Now, name of a few of them.
No, because players like Sheard, who are worth a top 50 pick and more, DON'T get traded in their rookie deals. That's the point, lol. Just because he and others who are as good do not get traded, doesn't mean that's his worth. We'd be stupid to sell him under value just because we had an incompetent FO that drafted a situational pass rusher at 6 that wasn't needed at all.
Btw, Wimbley got us a high 3rd and Sheard is three times the player. That should end the "discussion" 
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That's really the only way to find out.
I assumed someone here would know ahead of time...
Seems that way most of the time...
Well, I do know ahead of time. I'm just willing to let time prove it for me.
As do I but as you can see in this thread, arguing about it accomplishes to only clutter up the board.
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jc not sure where to post this: NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah joined the show to talk about the Draft and some of the interesting QB situations around the NFL. He said his sources are telling him that the Browns are still very interested in Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr. He also weighed in on Jadeveon Clowney and some of the other participants who stood out at Scouting Combine. http://www.danpatrick.com/2014/02/26/jeremiah-browns-still-like-qb-derek-carr/
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Is Carr still there at pick #26?
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Unlike the last FO which had ties to the media, our current front office is going to keep their plans close to the vest. JMO
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Unlike the last FO which had ties to the media, our current front office is going to keep their plans close to the vest.
Everyone has their guys in the media. That's a fact. We just can't believe anything that is being with regards to the draft.
We don't know if our new front office will keep things close to the vest. We have seen them operate for three weeks.
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Is Carr still there at pick #26?
Well, you can start off looking at it this way:
Houston (Case Keenum, Matt Schaub)
Jacksonville (Blaine Gabbert)
Cleveland (Brian Hoyer)
Oakland (Terrelle Pryor, Matt McGloin)
Tampa (Mike Glennon)
Minnesota (Christian Ponder)
Tennessee (Jake Locker, Ryan Fitzpatrick)
Arizona (Carson Palmer)
Cincinnati (Andy Dalton)
How many of these teams think "nah, it's not critical that we get a QB... It's more important we get a safety or a linebacker or a wide receiver."
Then you can try to figure out how each of these teams have the QBs rated. Let's say popular opinion prevails and every team has the following order:
1) Bridgewater
2) Manziel
3) Bortles
4) Carr
Can you get past 4 of those teams not taking a QB?
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Before the Browns parted ways with CEO Joe Banner and general manager Michael Lombardi, Cleveland was widely seen as an operation smitten with Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel.
The team reportedly was "prepared to move heaven and earth" for the rookie passer of its choice, but NFL Media's Daniel Jeremiah says we've been focused on the wrong guy all along.
"The one thing about the combine is, you get there, you're around all your contacts, a lot of different NFL people," Jeremiah told "The Dan Patrick Show" on Wednesday. "And it had been so out there that the Browns loved Manziel under the previous regime, and I talked to enough people that firmly believe that that was a total smokescreen."
Said Jeremiah: "Their guy is (Fresno State quarterback) Derek Carr and they're going to take a different player with the fourth pick and they want to take Derek Carr with their second one (at No. 26). ... I heard that from several different places."
On paper, a more manageable plan with the Jaguars sitting at No. 3, one spot ahead of Cleveland. "I think Jacksonville is the first place I look," Jeremiah said of a Manziel landing spot.
Both Jeremiah and NFL Media's Mike Mayock rank Carr fourth among quarterback prospects behind Teddy Bridgewater, Manziel and Blake Bortles. Carr, of course, has plenty of work to do to equal Manziel's charming words for Browns fans.
"I'm going to pour my heart out for the Dawg Pound and try to win a Super Bowl for Cleveland," Manziel said before the combine. "I don't care if they've had 20 starting quarterbacks since 1999. I'm going to be the 21st and the guy that brought them the Super Bowl."
Sounds like a plan, except -- from where we stand today -- the Browns plan to make someone else the 21st guy.
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I think if that is the plan, then we drop back a couple of picks and then take him, see if we can get another 3rd rd pick.
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Is Carr still there at pick #26?
Well, you can start off looking at it this way:
Houston (Case Keenum, Matt Schaub)
Jacksonville (Blaine Gabbert)
Cleveland (Brian Hoyer)
Oakland (Terrelle Pryor, Matt McGloin)
Tampa (Mike Glennon)
Minnesota (Christian Ponder)
Tennessee (Jake Locker, Ryan Fitzpatrick)
Arizona (Carson Palmer)
Cincinnati (Andy Dalton)
How many of these teams think "nah, it's not critical that we get a QB... It's more important we get a safety or a linebacker or a wide receiver."
Then you can try to figure out how each of these teams have the QBs rated. Let's say popular opinion prevails and every team has the following order:
1) Bridgewater
2) Manziel
3) Bortles
4) Carr
Can you get past 4 of those teams not taking a QB?
though I am not sold on Carr, I completely agree with you that he will not last until even the middle of the 1st round. I think he winds up in Minnesota if someone doesn't have him above the popular top3 and draft him even earlier (as Carr does look fantastic in a non-rush setting - maybe some team thinks they can fix that, hey, maybe they can).
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"And it had been so out there that the Browns loved Manziel under the previous regime, and I talked to enough people that firmly believe that that was a total smokescreen."
So the Browns leaking it out there that they like/want Manziel is a smokescreen, but
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Isn't a smokescreen? Not directed at cfrs15, just at the article.
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Its what we hear but it's still a ways off on the draft.
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Sort of funny cause how the heck to you plan on an INDIVIDUAL player being there at #26...that ain't no plan its a hope or wish but not a "PLAN"
That is sort of weird.
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Why is it that the browns are in the media spotlight about the draft? I don't anywhere near the amount of solo articles about any other team.
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Hello Clowney or Sammy. Or I still think Bortles if he's still there at 4. I don't think you pass on him to take Carr. Manziel, sure. Bortles, not so sure.
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Why is it that the browns are in the media spotlight about the draft? I don't anywhere near the amount of solo articles about any other team.
We're the NFL's official "offseason drama queens"....the perfect suckers for being fed the draft hype stuff and hope for a better "next season"....on top of that, the Browns reporting makes most other team's fans feel good about their team.
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NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah joined the show to talk about the Draft and some of the interesting QB situations around the NFL. He said his sources are telling him that the Browns are still very interested in Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr. He also weighed in on Jadeveon Clowney and some of the other participants who stood out at Scouting Combine.
http://www.danpatrick.com/2014/02/26/jeremiah-browns-still-like-qb-derek-carr/
Hopefully, it's BS, but it is the Browns.
Just when I thought for sure that we were going to get our QB.............a volcano erupts. We fire our FO guys and replace them w/a Farmer.
Brilliant.
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The reports say that the guys who wanted Carr were Banner and Lombardi.
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Since I never get the QB I want and carr is my least favorite of the so called top 4 qb's it would make perfect sense we draft him. Just what we need in the AFC North, a QB scared of blitzes to the point of shutting down. I might just vomit... I mean I might not be a big fan of Manziel but at least he aint a gutless wonder like carr is.
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Just what we need in the AFC North
What does the AFC North have to do with it?
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pittsburgh and baltimore blitzing, dirty-hitting defenses. they would just make Carr cry and go home. Sorry if I sound insulting but having carr as a brown just makes me want to vomit. He might do ok for himself if he gets drafting by maybe Minnesota but man not here ... please not here...
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Baltimore and Pittsburgh don't really have good defenses anymore.
What makes Carr more likely to be successful in Minnesota and not in Cleveland?
(I don't want Carr either, but your point doesn't really make sense).
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The reports say that the guys who wanted Carr were Banner and Lombardi.
That certainly puts a different spin on things.
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And in two weeks this story is a smoke screen for the real player we want and that is .......but that story isnt totally true becuase parts of that are being used as a smoke screen for this player....
My opinon and my opinon alone
# 4 Sammy Watkins
# 26 Best QB or LB Availible
2nd Depends on pick # 26 but I'm thinking RB or Guard
3rd LB
3rd Guard or RB ( if we dont pick one in 2nd)
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And in two weeks this story is a smoke screen for the real player we want and that is .......but that story isnt totally true becuase parts of that are being used as a smoke screen for this player....
My opinon and my opinon alone
# 4 Sammy Watkins
# 26 Best QB or LB Availible
2nd Depends on pick # 26 but I'm thinking RB or Guard
3rd LB
3rd Guard or RB ( if we dont pick one in 2nd)
4th another QB
4th CB - LB
I would love this scenario to take place. If Carr is gone at 26 as well, I'd definitely go LB or OG at 26 whoever is higher on the board and use a 3rd round pick for a QB to develop. All this is contigent on Hoyer's projected recovery and Farmer and Pettine sold on what little opportunity Hoyer got last year. A Gordon - Watkins combo would help any QB under center. The RB situation could easily be improved a mid round pick and a FA aquision. Bottom line is the possibility is there to vastly improve this offense this year if we don't go wasting all the draft picks by packaging them in trades to move up.
I'm highly optimistic about this draft and have been looking forward to this class since 2012.
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I think they know that people out there will buy into what ever they say about the Browns cause they have us Profiled as a team in array capable of doing ANYTHING...so I guess anything goes and heck its easier to fill their by-line/Blog which has to be in everyday/week.
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What reports? Hope those reports are right. If so, I'm glad we fired both guys. However, if it's Farmer and Pettine who like Carr............well then............it is Cleveland.
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What does the AFC North have to do with it?
Do you have a hard time seeing the forest for the trees?
Seriously man, who cares about whether or not he said the AFC North. What's important here is that Carr folds when pressured. Does it really matter who is pressuring him. He fell apart against freaking USC,
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I'm not sure Vers.
I mean the report speaks about the smoke screen concerning Manziel. That was going on when the prior FO was still here. Leaks about Farmer going to scout him and such.
So if there is a report saying that was a smoke screen, would that or would that not be referring to the previous FO?
I really don't know but it could just as easily be. And can we take any such reports seriously this time of the year?
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The ones that are several posts above your post.
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Said Jeremiah: "Their guy is (Fresno State quarterback) Derek Carr and they're going to take a different player with the fourth pick and they want to take Derek Carr with their second one (at No. 26). ... I heard that from several different places."
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Okay. If true. I am glad they fired those two.
However, I thought it also said that the Browns were "leaning" towards Carr? It did not sound like past tense to me.
Did it to you?
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Click "Show All" for this thread.
Hit "Control and F" and type in "leaning."
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No need to do that. I will just re-post this: Quote:
NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah joined the show to talk about the Draft and some of the interesting QB situations around the NFL. He said his sources are telling him that the Browns are still very interested in Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr.
Now, let's play a semantics game. It's your only hope as you still can't see the forest for the trees.
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I am sorry. I obviously missed that.
As I have said before, I don't want Carr either. I just don't think the argument of "This is the AFC North!" is a good one. If you use bad arguments you are likely to reach the wrong conclusion (this is something you are familiar with).
Let me ask, do you not like Carr? Or are you taking the position of not liking Carr because everyone else likes Carr? Wait. . . no one else wants Carr either.
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It's okay. I'm sorry, too. I just thought you were messing w/me. It's no big deal. We all miss things.
I really don't like him. I have always said that when you get a guy who is nervous in the pocket and then loses accuracy and also checks down a lot......then you have a QB who is going to be nightmare. We've had more than our share of those guys. I really just don't want another one.
Carr was one of the guys I was interested in. I was hoping he was the real deal because of his measurables.
Who knows, I could be dead wrong about him. I'm not usually wrong about that aspect of a guy's game, but again, I could be wrong.
I just really, really do hope this is either a BS rumor or a smoke screen. And it very likely could be one or both.
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Let me ask, do you not like Carr? Or are you taking the position of not liking Carr because everyone else likes Carr? Wait. . . no one else wants Carr either (besides clevesteve).
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