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The first game I saw Carr play was the USC Bowl game. He was anything but impressive. He collapsed under pressure. Had happy feet bigtime. Stared down receivers. Looked indecisive. In a nutshell he played like Weeden.
He turned me off in a major way. One thing you have to able to do in the NFL is play under pressure.
Then like everyone I started to think what is plan B? What happens if we do not get a quarterback at four? Could Derek Carr be an option at 26?
Maybe the USC game was just one bad game?
So I went back and watched him against San Diego State. What I saw just confirmed my earlier assessment. He was horrible. Bad footwork, hop steps, inaccurate especially under pressure, missed layups, stared down one side of the field. He was a bad combination of Derek Anderson and Brandon Weeden.
Please Mr. Ray Farmer do not take this guy. Jimmy Garoppolo is by far a better option. David Fales is a better option. Just take Carr off the board.
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I saw this morning he isn't going to throw at the combine as well. I literally LOL'd when I saw this"...Manziel/Bridgewater sure they are top picks regardless, but Carr??? Hahaha...he will be lucky to go in the 3rd.
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that is weird. Why wouldn't he throw?
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He heard they were going to ask him to throw the ball more than three yards down the field.
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He's a late first round type guy at this point. He isn't all that accurate, what good could come from throwing at the combine?
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He played at the senior bowl. He was widely acknowledged as the best passer there by every report with more credibility than you and me.
I still think he ends up on the Jags.
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I know that. I was mostly joking.
But is being better than Logan Thomas, Tahj Boyd, Jimmy Garopplo, David Fales, and Stephen Morris all that much of an accomplishment?
(If you go by what some on here say about Garoppolo, then being better than him means you are the best QB of all time.)
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Not for nothing, but did you watch the superbowl,, That almost describes Payton Manning LOL.
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They invite defensive players to the combine as well. Their presence makes him nervous.
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This was brought up in the Manziel thread so I was hoping to shift that talk here. Here's hoping (at least me) it's just leaked smoke . . . Browns notebook: NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah says team has eye on Fresno State quarterback Derek CarrBy Nate Ulrich Beacon Journal sports writer February 27, 2014 - 06:26 AM NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah left the scouting combine this week with an interesting opinion about which quarterback in this year’s draft class is coveted by the Browns. During an interview Wednesday with The Dan Patrick Show, Jeremiah said he has been told the Browns’ new regime of General Manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine would like to pick Fresno State’s Derek Carr with the team’s second selection in the first round (No. 26 overall) instead of using the fourth overall choice on a quarterback like Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel. “The one thing about the combine is, you get there, you’re around all your contacts, a lot of different NFL people,” said Jeremiah, a former scout for the Browns, Philadelphia Eagles and Baltimore Ravens. “And it had been so out there that the Browns loved Manziel under the previous regime, and I talked to enough people that firmly believe that that was a total smokescreen. “Their guy is Derek Carr, and they’re going to take a different player with the fourth pick, and they want to take Derek Carr with their second (first-round choice). So you can believe what you want to believe, but I heard that from several different places.” Most draft gurus rank Manziel, Louisville’s Teddy Bridgewater and Central Florida’s Blake Bortles as the top-three quarterbacks with Carr a distant fourth. However, Manziel has taken some shots in the wake of the combine. In a radio interview with 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia, ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski said, “Manziel may fall. I’m not crazy about him, to be honest with you. I’ve only looked at five games. I wouldn’t take him in the first three rounds. That’s my opinion. It’s incomplete right now. But he has not done a whole lot to me.” Jaworski later told SiriusXM NFL Radio that Manziel is “a random quarterback that likes to get out of the pocket and make plays with his legs. In the NFL, he won’t last three games playing that style. He’ll get hurt. He took a lot of vicious hits at A&M in two years, and those hits that have that cumulative effect will knock him out of games in the NFL.”
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If that is the plan, then that leads me to believe we are pretty happy with Hoyer. If we aren't, waiting that deep might be a risk. Maybe we spend some of our picks to reach a little higher in the round.
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Or trade down.
Not that I want to. I want TB
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I'm not a big fan of Derek Carr honestly. I watched Fresno State play a few times on ESPN and what really sticks out were how well his receivers often ran after the catch. Carr threw a lot of screens, bubbles, slants and crossing routes that often resulted in huge catch and runs by his receivers thus padding some of his stats. Also take into consideration that Fresno State plays in the WAC. The toughest teams they play are Boise State and Hawaii which isn't saying a whole lot. Remember in his bowl game against USC, a real team, he struggled greatly.
He comes from a pass happy offense where they throw 35-45 times a game in almost exclusively all shotgun formations. Sound familiar? (Weeden & McCoy). Not to mention against VERY low tier competition.
I would rather go with someone such as A.J. McCaaron, Zach Mettenberger or Aaron Murray. I know I sound like a tool because they're SEC QB's but they all played in more pro-style offenses and against better competition.
If we take Derek Carr he's going to need a year or two on the bench to be groomed. I'd rather use our first 3 or 4 picks on players who can help us right away and take a project/groom QB later.
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If we pass up an opportunity, let's say we pass on one of the top 3 who ends up being a good QB, for the 4th rated QB in the draft (again) and it flops, it will be a major failure.
I don't believe that anyone really knows what they'll do. I believe one smoke screen was substituted for another.
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1. Who can believe that something like this is leaked and be the truth?
2. If it indeed is so - whoever it is will get and should get FIRED!
Nobody plans on somebody to be there for them at the later part of a round...that is not a plan...if we love him truly love him we drop back 2-5 spots and pick him there?
Anybody saying they know what the Browns are thinking are just selling their wares!
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1. Who can believe that something like this is leaked and be the truth?
2. If it indeed is so - whoever it is will get and should get FIRED!
Nobody plans on somebody to be there for them at the later part of a round...that is not a plan...if we love him truly love him we drop back 2-5 spots and pick him there?
Anybody saying they know what the Browns are thinking are just selling their wares!
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If you look at this guys entire first round Mock, every QB in the draft that is worth talking about is picked AFTER we pick at #4. Does anyone else think that's crazy? Not sure I'd trust anything this guy says...
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/190602
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There is a reason he is introduced on NFL Network as an EX-SCOUT!
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1. Who can believe that something like this is leaked and be the truth?
2. If it indeed is so - whoever it is will get and should get FIRED!
Nobody plans on somebody to be there for them at the later part of a round...that is not a plan...if we love him truly love him we drop back 2-5 spots and pick him there?
Anybody saying they know what the Browns are thinking are just selling their wares!
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If you look at this guys entire first round Mock, every QB in the draft that is worth talking about is picked AFTER we pick at #4. Does anyone else think that's crazy? Not sure I'd trust anything this guy says...
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/190602
This guy has been all over the place... I thnk this is the 4th player he has had us taking so far and we still have what 9 weeks before the draft....
He is like that guy in the NCAA tourney that fills out 35 sheets.... "see I got that game right" 
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Yup,, There it is LOL
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I made a committment that I would not post on this thread out of protest.
But, like a cat on a ledge, I can't resist.
So, here it is:
The best thing about Eziekiel Hezikiah's insider scouting tip is that 90% of the time any info that comes out at this stage of the process is bogus.
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Nobody plans on somebody to be there for them at the later part of a round...that is not a plan...if we love him truly love him we drop back 2-5 spots and pick him there?
What happens if we really want Carr and bypass him at #4 then Oakland or Minnesota (or any of the 22 teams that pick before we do at 26) take him? Then the whole draft plan is screwed.
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Exactly why I was saying it cannot be a plan...and I'm talking about the PLAN to get the most important position on your team - Franchise QB.
Ergo my claim as that is no Plan...you can't count on anything.
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What happens if we really want Carr and bypass him at #4 then Oakland or Minnesota (or any of the 22 teams that pick before we do at 26) take him? Then the whole draft plan is screwed.
Or if Jacksonville takes him.
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I just have a question for ya tab.
If you have one of the top 3 QB's targeted as your plan, is waiting and hoping he'll drop to you at #4 what you consider a sound plan then?
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I just have a question for ya tab.
If you have one of the top 3 QB's targeted as your plan, is waiting and hoping he'll drop to you at #4 what you consider a sound plan then?
I will answer for him. No you move up to # 2 and get your guy. We need a QB that much! Stop the QB insanity
Give up both our first round picks if need be.
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The first game I saw Carr play was the USC Bowl game. He was anything but impressive. He collapsed under pressure. Had happy feet bigtime. Stared down receivers. Looked indecisive. In a nutshell he played like Weeden.
He turned me off in a major way. One thing you have to able to do in the NFL is play under pressure.
Then like everyone I started to think what is plan B? What happens if we do not get a quarterback at four? Could Derek Carr be an option at 26?
Maybe the USC game was just one bad game?
So I went back and watched him against San Diego State. What I saw just confirmed my earlier assessment. He was horrible. Bad footwork, hop steps, inaccurate especially under pressure, missed layups, stared down one side of the field. He was a bad combination of Derek Anderson and Brandon Weeden.
Please Mr. Ray Farmer do not take this guy. Jimmy Garoppolo is by far a better option. David Fales is a better option. Just take Carr off the board.
I agree 100%. Carr looks like a bust already.......i would be ecstatic if we were able to land Jimmy Garoppolo in round 3
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I still think he ends up on the Jags.
at pick 3?!?!?!?!
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2. If it indeed is so - whoever it is will get and should get FIRED!
Nobody plans on somebody to be there for them at the later part of a round...that is not a plan...if we love him truly love him we drop back 2-5 spots and pick him there?
Anybody saying they know what the Browns are thinking are just selling their wares!
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I hope you are right eotab...i really do....if we take carr i might puke all over myself....
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I think we all would... my living room would look like that family guy episode where they took the Ipecac (sp). 
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I really hope this isn't true. I understand that it is just a rumor, but I am afraid that it is true. Only the Browns........
No one in this draft has a higher potential to bust than Carr. This guy is the reincarnation of Timid, Weeden, and his brother. He looks the part, but when the real bullets fly..........he is an inaccurate, nervous qb who is the master of the check down.
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Eo - Re-read my post. I see how it came across as questioning you. My post was intended to add emphasis to your statement.
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Man, even me, with my limited QB knowledge can see that Carr is a BIG bust risk,
Can not believe he is on our radar... gotta be smoke.. doesn't it? PLeeeease.
Ok maybe a fifth round flyer,,, maybe,
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i had a 2nd round grade on VY when people were talking about him #1. I thought leinart was a 3rd rounder. When Kiper had tannehill in the 4th and I had him top 15, ripped on again and last year when my top QB went to Buffalo and geno fell people were surprised.
Well this year its gonna be Carr going in the top 10 and Garoppollo becoming a late first rounder. I love Manziel but I think there is a very good chance Carr goes before him. I also feel Bortles will probably drop a great deal as well on draft day.
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wow, that's some impressive predictions. Personally I could see most of that happening... I think Bortles is going high, his measurables are going to pique interest IMO,. Regardless it takes some cajones to put that out there.. kudos 
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now there is also a reason I dont like to hang my hat on passrushers. I miss on most of them which was good since I had a 3rd round grade on Mingo last year lol. Good with Dbs, QBs and most of the time with receivers and TEs Passrushers I dont have an eye for.
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honestly this is why I come here during this time of year.... guys like you who know so much about the college game and it's players. I just don't have the time, nor the patience to break these guys down, I love getting all the information, and the links then I go look after the marginal ones are weeded out... lazy aint I 
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Fresno State was completly outmatched versus USC. Carr didn't have any help from Adams or his run game.
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J/K http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/45952/349/2014s-quarterback-conundrumThis was the article posted on the other site that makes me worried about Carr. Thats a HUGE % of screens and 1-5 yard passes. I am really hoping for BPA at #4 (which prety much ensures it wont be a QB) and then see what shakes out at 26 or later.
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Carr's stats were inflated because of the screens. I see problems when he drops back. He is a sack waiting to happen.
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