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This whole raising the wage is overrated.. Granted, it may look good on paper, but really, who are they foolin.. YES, it should be raising, without a doubt. Bread, milk, gasoline, natural fuel, eggs, TAXES, car insurance, rent, car repair bills, clothes, drugs, ( per ) health care, soap, have all raised in cost, and all are ness to live. I probably missed about 20 more highly demanding products that are needed by folks.. You cant listen to a few people that are " well off ", because these are the people that can go and freely throw money around with-out batting an eye. But some dont realize that there are things that are out of ones control for employment.

Lets just take for example this:

Mother and Father, 2 kids, lets say boys, 5 and 10 years old. Living in a communitee that has about 50,000 folks.. Lets say it's factory town, 3 plastic shops, a large grocery store, a few fast food joints, and a small business district, and a local government that dont know jack [censored].. Which is why there aren't more jobs available, because the communitee is straped for funds to promote more businesses to open. Father works at " plastic shop" making $6.00 hourly, with no chance of OT, because they have full work force. There is no possible advancement in employment there because it's a family owned Co., and they just dont take employee's off the floor for higher managment positions because little Bobby, that just graduated high school, and is the grandson of the owner of the Co., well, needs a job. It doesn't matter what you know, it's who you know.. Right? AND, if they moved the father from the floor, they would have to replace him, and spend more time training him, and possibly lose production, because the father, that knew the position in-side-out, is no longer there to do the job right. So, they instead keep him on the floor, and keep the Co. running like a fine oiled machine.. WHY, because that is the most profitable solution..

Now, the father has been working there for 6 years, same wage, same half ass benifits, same crap day in and day out, listening to the same fellow employees complaining that the wages aren't going up, because why?, Things are moving great, and there are no other jobs to contend with.. The father cant just quit, and go somewhere else, because the workforce is already stretched.. Sure, there is a new housing communitee going up 10 miles away, but guess what? Those jobs are taken by the mexicans. <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />, and really, he just cant afford to put 20 miles on his 78 pick-up, because the gas and repair expenses would put strain on the family budget. So, in the long run, he just stays where he's at, because he is a family man, and has values. Mean while, the Co., he works for, knows the limits of employment in the town, and have no obligation to raise wages, and don't really care anyways, because the product is going out the door, and are making the money they expect.. So why change things? When really, in the long run, will put strain on the Co. gross income, and in-turn take money out of thier very own pockets. It's capitalizism at it's best, thats why they opened the dam place to begin with. Not to mention the hike in fuel to heat the place, and the higher frieght charges that are incuring from shipping out the product, which is being paid out BY THE CO... Do you see where I'm going with this?

Everyone has thier very own story, and now-a-days, it's one for one, not one for all.. And alot of families have thier hands tied, because there isn't nothing else to do, or go.. Folks are limited by thier very own communitee, and have to take what it offers, and in alot cases, is nothing..

Sure, move some say.. OK great, lets do that, but TO WHERE? Again, expenses come into play. Gas, truck rental, possible firing.. Leaving the family with-out pay for a few weeks, till they find a new job, in the promise land. Not to mention the 2 week hold on your first check.. Security deposit on a new residence, day care because the family can't seem to get thier schedules aligned to be the boys, which right there is at the minium of $200 weekly, if your lucky.. BUT hey, look on the bright side, they each make $2 more hourly, which comes out to be about $120 more weekly, after taxes.. BUT REALLY, in the long run, well not even long, because they got new expenses, like the day care, which ate the extra $120 plus, are still up [censored] creek, because are paying out more again..

It's a long battle of life.. Just a race to who has the biggest stack of chips at the end of the day.. But when you keep paying out higher and higher expenses, and the wage not changing, your through, plain and simple..

It's very, very hard to get ahead, when you have no other options to contend with. It's a battle man, and its draining on a family... It stinks when you get home, working your ass off all day for people that dont appeiciat the effort you put forth, and all you can do is throw your hands up and scream, "WHAT THE [email]F@$#K"[/email], "what am I sopposed do"? Go back to school, Yeah, the solution.. MY ASS, and what, leave my job, or cut back on hours, cut back on family time? Take chances? Throw 16 months to the wind, to get out and still not have a job, because there aren't any for the schooling you took? NOW, your fighting with the wife, because your not giving it to her, because your stressed out, and really don't have time, because your out all dam day putting in apps., that really dont want a 40 year old anyways. In the long run it's just a grave battle.. And it's the same thing played out across America, EVERY SINGLE DAY...

When it's all said and done, the only thing you can do is, love your children, love your wife, and keep your family close, and work with what you got... In this day of age, you never know what tomorrow brings.. Well, except for that .12 cent raise in gas..


Im done, have a good day. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

I hate to do this "ghost" but....

This post is the reason many folks on the right and some on the left get tired of the whole MW discussion. While you explain a reality for some people you describe a worker who believes he has no chance at improvement and the only way he prospers is that the lottery comes through for him.
He has his health,a working vehicle, support from a loving family and the same opportunity to become his own boss and set his own goals as anyone else.

So what it he has to start part time doing a landscaping job on the side...or dog sitting/grooming overnight for neighbors....or working at night as a mover for a company like EMove. If he wants something more he may have to try 10 things before one succeeeds but that is how real progress and ingenuity deveops.

I have to tell you that I was feeling pretty good about things in general until I read your post...my God man...try something new!!!

Not really sure what your saying here, but it seems you get the "jist" of the post.. I guess I just have a feelin for some folks.. Trust me, I can't stand to see a mother with 5 kids, leaving the welfare office, rollin on rims, sportin the most up-to-date gear. It's sickening really. Welfare is sopposed to be used to get on your feet, not stay on your feet..

Really man, I'm mixed on this whole thing.. Oh, and this story is by far not my situation.. I'm netin $8,000 mntly, through hard work, preservation, and sacrifice. What I'm implying is everyone has differant situations, and prices of goods out weight the typical wage in America.

Ghost- I am happy for your success. Life is life and can be a struggle. Work is work and that is why it is WORK. You get it.

My response was not aimed at welfare mothers nor anyone else on welfare/assistance. It was rather directed to those of us who claim that we have no options to advance. Just go do it...find what you are good at and make something happen. It may take years to become an overnight success but it may very well happen.

It happens all the time in immigrant communities around America. Indians,Pakistanis,Chinese and other Asians writing success stories. Immigrants from Eastern Europe hungry for opportunities flock here for the chance to try and then fail,then try again and succeed. Some African immigrants have done very well also in various forms of business and networking.

What is disheartening to those of us who have volunteered time to mentor new business people is the lack of patience the inability to work the hours necessary to start new businesses. People make fun of immigrant families who work together as a group to succeed but it pays off in a big way often.

I wish you continued success and hope that you'll share your abilities with others.

Your absolutely correct Ralphie. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it, lol, or how ever that saying goes. I give informative info to alllloott of people, what they do with it is on them, I can't and won't do it for them.. Im one of those hard people, lol, I have no allowance for stupidity and or ignorance. If you fall, it's not my fault you aren't watching your path of choice. I've been there bro, and I hated it.. But really, it was my very own fault, wheather I made wrong choices or followed wrong information, and the later is what got me caught up... Never listen to the guy that isn't where you want to be.. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

Anyways, I can go on and on about this. Im trying not to jack this thread..

Depending on if you asked the rich or the poor <img src="/images/graemlins/azzangel.gif" alt="" />

Very well put, honestly - I can't argue with that.