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I just read both of them, and I must say, man they were ffed up.  There's so much hate and bottled up rage behind each on of those plays. I also think that there may be several sexual suggestions. Has anyone said whether or not Cho may have been a homosexual?
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Has anyone said whether or not Cho may have been a homosexual?
Yeah that's the cause...you might be on to summat here...i mean, not all homosexuals are spree killers but all spree killers are homosexuals right? 
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Has anyone said whether or not Cho may have been a homosexual?
Yeah that's the cause...you might be on to summat here...i mean, not all homosexuals are spree killers but all spree killers are homosexuals right?
I don't think that is what he is saying. However, alot of the most insane people in the world end up being homosexuals. (There was speculation that Hitler was, as well). With how close minded society is to homosexuals today, it is very possible that being a homosexual (and possibly keeping it inside?), could have been one of the factors that lead him to doing this. With the way homosexuals are treated in the world today, I don't think we should ignore the possibility of him being a homosexual. JMO.
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IMO...............
This kid acted because he felt angry and HOPELESS. Didn't get into anything really, had trouble communicating his feelings and perceived his difficulties as society's fault----so he lashed out violently against his perceived "oppressors."
This blame that he placed on those around him probably stemmed from years of extreme resentment.
He wasn't rebellious in any particular fashion. Unless you count his uncooperative social nature as a form of rebellion.
Foreign kid in the country, stressed, can't form relationships---grows bitter at his peers because he blames them for his problems. He blames their social practices, their wealth, their happiness.
He is delusional enough to justify this idea. Years of angst turns bloody.
What is really to blame here? Can we blame TV, the people who he felt didn't accept him, guns, his parents, the media.
I think blame can't really be placed in these situations. There are such a broad spectrum of possible triggers and influences that you can't nail it down to just two or three.
People like this are made this way over the course of many, many years. They become bitter, angry, and above all hopeless. They fault others for their own personal struggles. They explode.
You look at nearly every school shooting. The perpetrator is almost always the introvert, the "loner." Hell, often times we stereotype the "loner" as just the type of kid who would pull some crap like this.
How can we as people combat this. How can you combat a person own tendency toward isolation? How can you combat an individuals feeling of resentment? How do you usher someone into a social network who hasn't the skills or motivation to cooperate and interact with others?
Very tough. Very tough.
And, in tune with these thoughts, I'd also like to say that this isn't an indictment of every eccentric, shut-in, loner out there.
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Tyler, nice evaluation mate but quick question, how many of your sessions did Cho attend and shouldn't patient/psychiatrist confidentiality be maintained?  Quote:
I don't think that is what he is saying. However, alot of the most insane people in the world end up being homosexuals.
.....and a lot of them aren't. The original statement struck me as odd that's all, i was confused as to where it came from.
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Ok i'm leaving that one alone. I'm out before i get myself into trouble. 
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History has known plenty of humans that were evil monsters. I'll stick with my opinion on the matter, thanks anyway.
I took a philosophy class specifically on evil, and evil actions in general. After taking that class, I have come to the conclusion that people are not evil but their ACTIONS are evil.
Evil actions often times stem from a long consecutive series of events that that person has been through. Different situations cause people to act in a different manner. Any person is capable of killing. The only thing that varies is their abilities to deal with (development of moral character) the situations they face.
This kid obviously had some psychological issues on top of his "plays". I mean, I saw in an interview today with his 2 roomates that he had an IMAGINARY girlfriend that called him "Spanky" (dead serious). He had no friends, no contact with his family and had a history of stalking girls online. He had spent time in a psychological center at Va Tech previously.
Am I saying that these circumstances excuse his actions? NO. They don't, they only help to explain WHY they occured.
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To argue over whether or not this guy is a monster is plain silly. If someone thinks that then that's thier business. At this time we should be praying for people that DC knows, all the other families and DC himself. My neighbors boy went to Va Tech and luckily all he knows seemed to be well.
I'm a friend with a mother of another former student. I understand her child did not know anyone personnally but his mother was friends with far more parents. I'm worried for her because I haven't reached her yet. I'm not worried about someone calling a ruthless killer who shot people as if he was game hunting a monster.
I take that last sentence back. Game hunters are far more selective in how they kill.
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People like this are made this way over the course of many, many years.
They are not made that way, they "choose" to be that way.
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Well, either one of you could be right, or you could both be wrong. Say this guy had mental health issues, were those issues made over a period of years? Or alternatively gm, did he in fact choose his mental issues?
Now i'm not going to speculate on this huys health and draw conclusions, but i'm sure that the schitzophrenic guy from my hometown (that i used to go camping with) that went nutso stabbing an elderly woman in the eye before attacking the local vicar, sure as hell didn't "choose" to be schitzophrenic.
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People like this are made this way over the course of many, many years.
They are not made that way, they "choose" to be that way.
GM you will never, ever, ever convince me that this kid chose to be this way. He made the choices he made over the last few weeks to buy guns and to go on a rampage.... but whatever was going on in his head, he didn't "choose" that. That built up gradually over a long period of time and I doubt he was ever really aware of it.
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People like this are made this way over the course of many, many years.
They are not made that way, they "choose" to be that way.
GM you will never, ever, ever convince me that this kid chose to be this way. He made the choices he made over the last few weeks to buy guns and to go on a rampage.... but whatever was going on in his head, he didn't "choose" that. That built up gradually over a long period of time and I doubt he was ever really aware of it.
Whether he chose this action or was driven to it, or a little voice in his head told him to do it. He did it, he knowingly killed innocent people, he is guilty, he is a murderer.
The reason is irrelevant, if you think life sucks, get help or kill yourself, don't take it out on other people, that's cowardess.
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Whether he chose this action or was driven to it, or a little voice in his head told him to do it. He did it, he knowingly killed innocent people, he is guilty, he is a murderer.
The reason is irrelevant, if you think life sucks, get help or kill yourself, don't take it out on other people, that's cowardess.
I fully admitted that he chose his actions... GM's implication was that he chose to be a sociopath... that's the part I disagree with. And it's easy for us to say "get help or kill yourself"... because we aren't sociopaths... Sociopaths are not sane and rational people to begin with so it's not that hard to imagine why they can't make that sane and rational decision.
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Please consider participating...  If you can't read it, it is asking for people to stand with Va Tech on Friday by wearing Orange and Maroon. Surely most everybody on this board has some orange, just mix in a bit of maroon instead of brown on this one day, and there you go.
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Has anyone said whether or not Cho may have been a homosexual?
Yeah that's the cause...you might be on to summat here...i mean, not all homosexuals are spree killers but all spree killers are homosexuals right?
I don't think that is what he is saying. However, alot of the most insane people in the world end up being homosexuals. (There was speculation that Hitler was, as well). With how close minded society is to homosexuals today, it is very possible that being a homosexual (and possibly keeping it inside?), could have been one of the factors that lead him to doing this. With the way homosexuals are treated in the world today, I don't think we should ignore the possibility of him being a homosexual. JMO.
What in the hell? Why is this even a thought in someone's head at this point? You people are something. 
Gee, I wonder if he was a Christian right wing nut since he talked about debauchery, or if he was a Kentucky fan because he obviously had the ego the size of the Grand Canyon. At least I came up with reasons for my idiotic statements. 
And why don't you fill us in on how a lot of the most insane people in the world are/were homosexuals. I'm fascinated to hear your research on that.
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DC, can you put a link up for this so I can print it off and put it up in the office and share it with others?
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C'mon Jules, you know homosexuals are to be blamed for everything. Any time someone flies off the deep end other people say, "were they gay"? I don't get it, and I never will. But, that's how most closed-minded homophobics look at things.
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Just so you guys know, my devil roll smiley was indicating *sarcasm* if those comments were aimed at me.....the homosexual thing came out of left field so i figured i'd give it a mickey mouse response it deserved.
*disclaimer over*
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I figured as much....just my statement was the meat in your quote sandwich. Didn't want to get labelled.
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Any time someone flies off the deep end other people say, "were they gay"?
Who are these other people? Honestly, until this thread I've never seen anybody try to make a positive connection between extremely violent behavior and sexuality... I mean I'd heard the rumors that Hitler was gay, but I've never seen anybody try to make the connection that his evilness and his gayness were somehow connected.... 
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Um, I know you don't live in a box, DC. People try to make that connection fairly often. Maybe I just notice it more. Child molesters, suicides, mass shootings...you name it.
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Well I've seen the connection made with sex crimes, now that you mention it... but beyond that, with other sorts of violent crime, no I really haven't. If I see or hear of a suicide, I certainly don't wonder if the person is gay....
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But many people do try to connect suicide to homosexuality...especially among teenage boys. Like I said, maybe I'm more sensitive to it than a lot of people. It just irks the hell out of me that people blame the fact that someone might be gay on their actions. That's as stupid as blaming something someone does on being heterosexual.
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Not really in line with this thread too much but I just wanted to share something that happened to me relating to this story.
Yesterday morning I was sitting at Monro Muffler while my oil was being changed. The TV was tuned to the news coverage of the shooting and they had the press conference where they showed the shooters ID and said his name and he immigrated here from Korea. There was a old man standing right in front of the TV and his shoulders slumped and his head dropped when they said the guy was Korean. He turned back and looked at the couple people who were sitting in the lobby and he was Asian. Nobody said anything to him but the look on his face was just hard to take. he had this look of guilt on his face like it was his fault. I felt so bad for the guy and just didnt know what to say. I wanted to tell him look you had nothing o do with this nobody is looking at you badly or anything but I just felt so akward at that moment.
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Thanks for sharing, it really is interesting. We hate when bad things happen, simply because they are bad things... but I don't think it's uncommon at all for us to hate them just a little more when somebody from a group/race/ethnicity/whatever is the cause.
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but I don't think it's uncommon at all for us to hate them just a little more when somebody from a group/race/ethnicity/whatever is the cause.
Kind of funny when I went to work the day it happened I work afternoon shift so thins were still being sorted out and black guy I work with made a joking comment about " crazy azz white people going on shooting sprees"
I do find it interesting though like you say DC then when something happens like this people tend to look at the whole race or group like they had somethingto do with this.
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It's too bad that man has to feel that way, I do think most people realize it's just an individual in this case. I believe Muslims have a much more difficult time in this country than Asians will because of this one isolated incident. What I wanted to know after it happened and heard some information was if he had grown up in this country or was newly here. I guess somehow hoping we wasn't from here, not that it made a damn bit of difference in the horrible tragedy. 
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why homosexuality was specifically brought up is another issue, but the point about it being one of many potential reasons for feeling rejected/not accepted is valid...ALL of those potential sources of 'being different' should be considered when you're thinking about what may have driven someone to this extreme...
and to DC...
i sincerely wish the best for all those grieving right now, but i think wearing some specific colors is kind of silly...who does that help?...it seems to me to be one of those things that people do to make themselves feel better...like those 'support our troops' magnets on cars...
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 Well, I suppose you have to keep 'em somewhere.
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why homosexuality was specifically brought up is another issue, but the point about it being one of many potential reasons for feeling rejected/not accepted is valid...ALL of those potential sources of 'being different' should be considered when you're thinking about what may have driven someone to this extreme...
Why single out one or even bring any of them up with so little information available? It's B.S.
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that there is a substance-free dorm? ...
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like i said, singling out one of them is, well, another thread...but i don't see anything wrong with discussing what might've led to the kid's state of mind...if we waited until all the info was out to discuss the topic, it may never be discussed...
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why homosexuality was specifically brought up is another issue, but the point about it being one of many potential reasons for feeling rejected/not accepted is valid...ALL of those potential sources of 'being different' should be considered when you're thinking about what may have driven someone to this extreme...
First of all, they said the dude was looking for his girlfriend. Hello?!
Secondly, "being different"?? I don't feel that way. Regardless, even if the killer was gay, that doesn't MAKE him kill 32 people.
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Why single out one or even bring any of them up with so little information available? It's B.S.
I do kind of see the point though. If he was himosexual but was afraid to come out maybe that was part of what led him to this rampage.
I dont believe anybody was implying that being homosexual would mean you are mentally unstable but if he was (well obviously he was) being afraid to be openly gay would contribute to his going off.
What would be more interesting though is to find he has a past of pedophilia or beatialtiy or animal cruelty(same thing I think). these are things that would be more of a indicator on mental unstability.
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