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Hopefully there is a way to land Teddy. I personally would not be upset with either Bortles or Johnny there, but that's me.
I would be giddy if we drafted Teddy. I would be Ok with either of the other two but no where near as happy.
The ULTIMATE, franchise turning moment would be getting Bridgewater AT FOUR and signing Schaub to show him Shanny's offense.
Hoyer doesn't matter. Anyone interested? How much? Highest bidder gets him.
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They should have kept Brandon Weeden.
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It'd be a site to see watching him trip over his own shoes... that clown.
i dunno why you laughing at him tripping over his own feet. he has horrible vision, PTSD from american flags is a real thing
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It'd be a site to see watching him trip over his own shoes... that clown.
i dunno why you laughing at him tripping over his own feet. he has horrible vision, PTSD from american flags is a real thing
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j/c Matt Schaub being shopped by Houston Texans With so many teams in need of a starting quarterback, we recently learned the Houston Texans are in no hurry to release Matt Schaub. The plan instead is to find a taker in a trade, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday. Two teams interested in Schaub, per Rapoport, are the Cleveland Browns and Oakland Raiders. Both organizations have the salary-cap space to absorb Schaub's $14.5 million cap figure. Whether either of those teams is willing to part with a draft pick to pay that steep price for a reclamation project is dubious. Unless Schaub is amenable to a pay cut, he's more likely to be released than traded. The Browns have an obvious connection in new coordinator Kyle Shanahan, who called plays for Schaub in Houston before following his father to Washington. In addition to Schaub, the Raiders are "looking at" Josh Freeman, NFL Media's Albert Breer has reported. Dennis Allen's club has been connected to Michael Vick and Mark Sanchez as well. Speaking of Sanchez, Rapoport expects him to be a prime candidate to replace Schaub in Houston. All of this is dependent on the Jets dumping Sanchez and the Texans cutting ties with Schaub. Both moves are on the horizon. Link
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I hope we realize that Brian Hoyer is already a poor man's Schaub before it's too late.
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I think I'd rather have Vick.
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I have no idea why we would trade for Shaub and willingly pay him $14.5M. That would be ridiculous. I probably like Shaub more than others around here but I want nothing to do with that contract.
I'd pursue him after he's cut, which I think will happen unless another team wants him to be a starter.
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I would guess that we'd be seeking to find a way to restructure that contract to reduce that cap hit before we'd complete any trade.
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Right. There is no way Schaub is on our roster with his current salary.
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I would guess that we'd be seeking to find a way to restructure that contract to reduce that cap hit before we'd complete any trade.
That would be a start.
Or could Houston be responsible for some/most of the money? Wasn't Delhomme's contract like that?
I'm interested to know what the Browns think of Hoyer if this rumor is true. Schaub has a much larger sample size of being successful in the NFL. I would think either Shaub or Hoyer would be considered stop gap until a young guy is drafted....why have two stop gaps on your roster?
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The Shaub situation is interesting for sure. Why would Shaub entertain taking a pay cut? If he gets released then he would get his choice of where to go kind of like what happened to Revis right? And I don't see any team actually paying this guy 14.5 million next year so...
Well, not exactly. Revis had that roster bonus of $1.5 million that Tampa was going to have to pay which gave Revis leverage. I don't think Shaub has anything like that so HOU could hold onto Shaub through the draft to see if they could get something in return before cutting him.
That is why I think Shaub might be willing to take a pay cut now in order to have a chance of getting on a team before his options dry up. It's a complicated situation though. I'm wondering what kind of draft compensation would be appropriate for a damaged QB like this. Any historical examples out there we could look at? How about a 3rd?
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Jc.....if we give up Anything of value for Matt these guys are goofs in the H&H mold. He is going to get cut anyway, and the only way someone pays him anywhere near that deal (aka even if it's restructured) will be as a guaranteed starter. As someone mentioned we already have a Schaub type of guy in Hoyer....absolutely ZERO reason to bring him in much less trade value for him.
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Matt Schaub on his career has completed 64% of his passes for 7.6 yards per attempt, 130 TD and 84 INT.
I'm not sure why people are acting like the dude can't play. Because of one bad year?
By that logic, Eli Manning is a "washed up QB" too.
Eli is also a year older.
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I think ultimately he would get cut IF he won't take a pay cut but as I laid out already I don't see that happening. Shaub wants a chance to start somewhere and he won't get that if HOU holds on to him till after the draft and possibly longer. They could wait till all teams are pretty much done with their rosters and then drop him right? Not good for Shaub so he'll take a pay cut I think. I'll be shocked if he just gets cut but could happen if HOU really needs to use that cap space now.
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Eli has proven with the talent around him he is good to border line elite QB. Schaub on the other hand has proven that he is nothing but average with a top 5 Wr, an incredible running game, and a very good OL.....that would be why the Texans are good with dumping Schaub after "just one bad year" and the Giants are holding on to Eli. Eli is good enough to win a SB with talent around you....Schaub wasn't good enough to win a playoff game with good talent around him before he became mental mush last year.
It would be questionable to sign him anyway, but is stupid to give up draft choices to take on anything resembling that cap number.
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We are idiots if we sign this guy. He has had a talented team around him and never won squat. He chokes in big games. He lost his confidence last year that is a killer for QBs. Sheesh, just when I think we can't get any dumber....... 
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Not sure how talented his team was, if they gone from PO contender to 1st overall team the moment he stopped performing....something that makes you think, no?
Maybe the team wasn't all that good...
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Maybe, but man, they were loaded w/talent.
I might be wrong, but I always viewed them as an extremely talented team that was mentally weak.
Schaub is front and center on that poster.
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I'm not saying that's the case, but it is a possibility. Dude had 5 straight seasons with a QB rating north of 90 before last season. Probably only a handful of other QBs have done that over the same time
I'm torn on Schaub myself. In a perfect world I would sign him after he gets cut and STILL draft a QB at 4, but I know that won't happen. If it's either/or, then I'd prefer QB at 4, but that also depends on what's available...not an easy decision for any GM and even moreso for a first timer
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Yeah, I guess I am reading it like if we sign Schuab, we then pass on a qb at four and no way do we make a play to move up for Teddy. Freaking frustrating for me.
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Yeah, I guess I am reading it like if we sign Schuab, we then pass on a qb at four and no way do we make a play to move up for Teddy. Freaking frustrating for me.
I see Schaub more as a threat to take Hoyer's spot than a rookie's spot. The guy who is going to start day 1 and either blow us all away with wins OR lead us to another mediocre or poor season and be replaced by game 8, then be there to hold the clipboard and come back in if the rook gets injured.
I don't understand any of the logic that signing Schaub precludes drafting a rookie QB.
Now for Schaub I can understand him not wanting to sign here when we already have Hoyer and look to be drafting a QB of the future. If I were him I'd rather sign in Minnesota or Oakland if I wanted the biggest contract possible.
HOWEVER, I'm about to say something I never thought I"d say in my entire life, if Schaub WANTS TO WIN his best option might be Cleveland. I'm not saying we're a QB away from infinite superbowls, but with our defense primed to do great things, our offense now stocked with playmakers (especially if we pickup Watkins) a good QB would elevate us to at least an 8-8 team. More than I can say about Minnesota or Oakland, and any team better than us probably already has a QB in place.
I dunno, probably just some homer-ism, but it feels right for once. Keep in mind this also doesn't consider that our first 7 strings of QBs will always be injured anyways :-P
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I don't understand any of the logic that signing Schaub precludes drafting a rookie QB.
Sign Schaub. Have him compete with Hoyer for the starting spot. If one of them stinks it up, the other steps in for him instead of forcing our later round rookie into action before he is ready.
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Not sure how talented his team was, if they gone from PO contender to 1st overall team the moment he stopped performing....something that makes you think, no?
Maybe the team wasn't all that good...
They also lost Arian Foster for the start of the season.
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Matt Schaub on his career has completed 64% of his passes for 7.6 yards per attempt, 130 TD and 84 INT.
I'm not sure why people are acting like the dude can't play. Because of one bad year?
By that logic, Eli Manning is a "washed up QB" too.
Eli is also a year older.
It goes deeper than just "one bad year."
Schaub did have some very good years, but the case can be made that he only excelled when the running game was operating at an elite level so that he could throw off of play-action and to some very talented receivers.
If I'm going to draw the comparison to another QB who rode that same wave, I would go back to the late 80's and early 90's to a guy who actually ended up here. Mark Rypien.
Rypien sat behind a great running game and threw off of play-action rollouts to do some pro-bowl caliber things. Once the talent around him began to erode his flaws were exposed. Rypien went from a pro-bowler in 1991 to the bench in 1993 to the Browns in 1994 as a shot-in-the-dark guy who looked like a shadow of his old self.
At the age of 32.
Anyone who has watched Schaub over the years...as we have down here in Texas...knows that he did his damage behind an elite running game where he could then throw unpressured off of play-action. When the running game faltered or if he had to start doing things without the benefit of an elite running game, he folded like a cheap tent.
Let's also be clear that he wasn't suddenly pressured beyond belief this past season, as he was only sacked 21 times in his 10 games. Compare that to the 32 times he was sacked in 2010, when he threw for 4300 yards and had a 92 rating.
For all his solid numbers, he's been viewed as the quintessential "game manager." That in and of itself isn't a bad thing, except for the facts surrounding his age and his deteriorating production. He is very-much a declining player, the opposite of a guy like Alex Smith who has been trending upwards.
Any team taking Schaub on as a starting QB is really trying to catch lightning in a bottle. They would be fools to make the assumption that he's going to get right back to what he was three years ago. Now if anyone can get the most out of Schaub it would be Shanahan, but to simply expect that connection to return Schaub to the land of "very good" is a risky gamble.
If Schaub is brought in as a backup insurance policy, sure, I'm on board with that, but if we're going to bring him in to compete with Hoyer for the starting job...and without a really good prospect sitting there in the wings...we're asking to land in the cellar, again.
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I would draft my rookie let him sit for a year, cause well none of these rookies this year should be starting year 1. I would also sign Ryan fitzpatrick. I think he would be a good fit for Shannahan's scheme and would come on the cheap.
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I think its hilarious people aren't wanting schaub but think hoyer is the answer...schaub is 100x the better option. That being said, I think regardless we draft a QB, and I much rather have Schaub holding the spot down than hoyer...i see nothing from hoyer that says he's a starter...he's played in 6 games and has thrown 6 Interceptions and completes less than 60% of his passes..that screams backup. He may be a solid backup but lets be serious if people are counting on him leading us are going to be disappointed. I'd rather gamble on schaub just having an off year if we can get him at a decent price. And for those saying " oh he can't succeed unless he has weapons and running game" well duh!, thats quite obvious with most QB's . There are very few that can elevate the play around them, the manning, brady and luck..the rest need help with a good running game and decent targets. There isn't a brady manning or luck in this draft so regardless who we get, we need to build the team around them first.
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Lead, I don't think I've heard one person say that Hoyer is the answer. I have heard over and over again that he did well and most want to see more. But that's about it.
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No, we think that we should draft a QB w/the 4th pick.
We think that Schaub is going to get paid too much.
We think that we should NOT TRADE for a freaking QB who stunk last year.
We think we have seen this stupid movie too many times. Detmer, Garcia, Delhomme, Wallace, etc.
Draft a freaking franchise QB. Sheesh!!!!
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Didn't we already go this route with Jake Delhomme?
Yup. That's my fear as well, too.
One post claimed Schaub had the offseason to get his mental state together.
But there's no proof he has his act together.
Same gamble as Delhomme, which turned out as a disaster. 
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If the Browns acquire Schaub it doesn't eliminate taking a QB. It probably eliminates taking one early. If reports of the team's interest are true it suggest that 4 will definitely be used elsewhere. Its an open question about picks 26 and 35. If this is indeed their thinking I would probably go to the 3rd round and draft McCarron.
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Considering all that is on our roster outside of Hoyer is Tanney, I think taking a QB in free agency and the draft is outta the possibility realm and into the much needed to do realm.
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... By that logic, Eli Manning is a "washed up QB" too.
Eli is also a year older.
And Eli has two more SuperBowl rings.
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j/c: I keep reading about us "acquiring" Schaub. I could have sworn the article stated we were considering "trading" for him. Am I wrong about that? If not, do you guys see how that changes everything? Probably not..............but hey, at least I tried. 
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LOL...........that's not important. 
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