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As long as he's the plan for the backup position, I'm ok with that. I've never thought much of him as a starter. Very underwhelming in his abilities.
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My guess is Rex Grossman for back up, his name was on the "that's not our FA board." 
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My guess is Rex Grossman for back up, his name was on the "that's not our FA board."
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The Browns are also interested in free-agent veteran quarterback Rex Grossman, who played for Shanahan in Houston and Washington. Grossman, 33, knows Shanahan's system inside and out and can help implement it here.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/good_news_for_cleveland_browns.html
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My guess is Rex Grossman for back up, his name was on the "that's not our FA board."
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The Browns are also interested in free-agent veteran quarterback Rex Grossman, who played for Shanahan in Houston and Washington. Grossman, 33, knows Shanahan's system inside and out and can help implement it here.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/good_news_for_cleveland_browns.html
Yes I know all that. I'm not against a Grossman signing. He was good enough to play in a SB.
I just wasn't sure why you directed that comment at me with a big laugh at the end is all.
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Grossman would be the perfect fit, not becuase of his play but like mentioned.
1. He knows the system.
2. Salary is Low alot lower than Schuab.
3. Dosent expect to start.
Good fit, we'll end up signing him before training camp starts, I dont thnk anybody is chasing him down to get his name on a contract.
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You don't spend #4 on a QB and have him sit. Who says?
Actually Polian on Mike n Mike a week ago stated that a new position is going to form now in the NFL - Bridge QB. Because the size of the rookie contracts are regulated teams are going to want to have their QB sit and learn - so the object is to get a Bridge QB to start until the rookie is ready...6games? 12? pending on what is going on. If Hoyer is not who we thought he was and the kid has learned a lot. He can start 4-6 games into the season. If there is an injury and the rookie is more apt to win games than the veteran back up...he'll start or he might compete for the starting position in 2015???
Your comment does not apply to todays football. Yes, many Early pick QBs will start mostly because the team simply does not have a better chance to win QB on their roster.
I honestly think we would at worst be MID first round pickers if Hoyer remained healthy. We never know but I didn't say pie in the sky Playoffs Mid of the road is pretty fair.
If we take a QB at 4 and he progresses but so does Hoyer this can never ever be a bad thing!!
Yes rare would a team have a starting QB maybe not good enough to put all the eggs in the basket but we are not talking over the hill Delhomme. Somebody like Hoyer somebody like Josh McCown somebody like Vick these are Bridge QBs. A new position.
But there is a history and yes a team has picked a QB #4 and sat him for 3 seasons??? He is a pretty good QB he was suppose to be NFL ready...just the guy the team was sort of giving up on...Finally GOT IT and was too good to sit.
I'm talking of course about Brees and Rivers. Brees was not considered a Franchise QB come draft time 2004...he turned the corner that training camp and through the season. Well Hoyer will get his Brees moment if he totally studs out our QB might sit for 2 seasons then we would decide who to trade and continue.
So its a fallacy that you CANNOT sit a #4 pick. Yes you can. 
jmho but a little fact to back it
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The Browns are also interested in free-agent veteran quarterback Rex Grossman, who played for Shanahan in Houston and Washington. Grossman, 33, knows Shanahan's system inside and out and can help implement it here.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/good_news_for_cleveland_browns.html
Yes I know all that. I'm not against a Grossman signing. He was good enough to play in a SB.
I just wasn't sure why you directed that comment at me with a big laugh at the end is all.
I believe he was referring to the FA board that was shown to the world when Dansby was introduced to media and how is name was on it....not directed at you.
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You don't spend #4 on a QB and have him sit.
Not every QB can come into the NFL and produce day one. It seems to be getting more "popular", but the days of drafting a QB and letting him educate himself while riding the sidelines are not gone IMO.
Look at Weeden. Yes I am aware he wasn't top pick, but he was still a high pick. He, regardless of his age, surely couldn't have been much worse/better (chances are better) by riding the bench a few years behind someone.
Me personally, I'm more than okay at drafting a QB at #4 and if whomever cannot legitimately beat out Hoyer and etc - then it is what it is. No regrets if that unfolded.
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Sorry for the confusion, I was quoting Vers. Peace...
Well, that explains it. Thanks for the clarification. I can't see his posts so I was puzzled.
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As long as he's the plan for the backup position, I'm ok with that. I've never thought much of him as a starter. Very underwhelming in his abilities.
No doubt he would be the back-up. Rex is a decent QB with a good mind, he will be our drafted QBs shadow for however long Hoyer can hold the job as starter.
I think at this point in his career he knows he has limited value as a potential starter. He knows the way to make big money is to sit with the rook, talk to him, talk about alignments etc,.....maybe bail us out of a game or two in year one if Hoyer is hurt, do it again another year if rook doesn't beat out Hoyer in year two, then head to pasture at age 38 or whatever with a nice bank account and lot's of stuff paid off.....like a home, a decent retirement account funded, childrens education funds fully vested.
Oh....by big money, I mean in normal people terms. Veteran minimum or a little above with 10-12 years service is big money where most of us come from.....maybe 400-500K....that's a big money job.......Just looked it up.....$910,000.....big money.
Who wouldn't be willing to do that for 1-2-3 years?
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Who wouldn't be willing to do that for 1-2-3 years?
And as the backup QB he is not getting his body beat up.
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Who wouldn't be willing to do that for 1-2-3 years?
And as the backup QB he is not getting his body beat up.
are you new to the Cleveland Browns?
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Who wouldn't be willing to do that for 1-2-3 years?
And as the backup QB he is not getting his body beat up.
Exactly. The guy now has 10 years in the league. I know we can easily say this player sucks or that player sucks, but you don't stick 10 years in the league if you suck. You may not have panned out as hoped, but you still have value, and Rex still has value at age 33-34.
If he can still play some ball and mentor a young kid....go for it. I am all over it. You can do a lot worse than having Rex Grossman subbing in for a injured starter, and this isn't a Gator pimping a Gator.
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Who wouldn't be willing to do that for 1-2-3 years?
And as the backup QB he is not getting his body beat up.
are you new to the Cleveland Browns?
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So its a fallacy that you CANNOT sit a #4 pick. Yes you can
So the Browns are SO loaded down with talent we don't need the player we select with the 4th pick in the draft to take the field? Glad to hear this team is so good we can afford to spend top five picks on bench warmers.
If we take a QB at 4 and he CAN'T win the job, Farmer and company need to GO. Immediately! Do not pass go, do not collect 200$. That's the crap Savage pulled. Spending multiple picks on Quinn then sitting him. We NEED players on the field. If that happens to be a QB, great. If Farmer isn't absolutely POSITIVE our starting QB is there at #4 and they want to give Hoyer a shot at it? That's fine too. Take a player that will help this pitiful excuse for a team NOW at #4 and take the project QB later in the draft. This team can't afford spending picks that high and then see no benefit for years....
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Your comment does not apply to todays football. Yes, many Early pick QBs will start mostly because the team simply does not have a better chance to win QB on their roster.
Really? How many quarterbacks taken in the top five have warmed the bench the last ten years? Luck? Yeah they sat him for years. RG3? Cam Newton? Matt Stafford? Etc. Etc. The NFL way IS to play a top five QB pick.
If you guys are so damned sure Hoyer is the man. One might think you'd want a player that could actually HELP him. Instead of a bench warmer holding a clipboard.
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My guess is Rex Grossman for back up, his name was on the "that's not our FA board."
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The Browns are also interested in free-agent veteran quarterback Rex Grossman, who played for Shanahan in Houston and Washington. Grossman, 33, knows Shanahan's system inside and out and can help implement it here.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/good_news_for_cleveland_browns.html
Yes I know all that. I'm not against a Grossman signing. He was good enough to play in a SB.
I just wasn't sure why you directed that comment at me with a big laugh at the end is all.
I was laughing at the FA board that wasn't.
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Knowing what we know now, those are definitely contradictory statements. Obviously if we knew what Rodgers would become everyone would have drafted him. I would argue that the reason Rodgers, like Brady, is where he is now is because he fell in the draft.
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Saying Leon deserved to be drafted over Rodgers because the latter had flaws is uneducated. Leon had a more red flags than almost any player I have seen in recent history.
This seems like something that might be hard for you to grasp (I am not trying to patronize you. I am seriously questioning why you don't understand the concept.) I don't know why. But. . . at the time if the majority of people were just drafting the best player available Edwards should have gone before Rodgers. Rodgers was a flawed prospect.
More red flags than almost anyone, how? Dez Bryant, Justin Blackmon, Vontaze Burfict, D.J. Hayden, Janoris Jenkins, Tim Tebow, Michael Crabtree, and Bruce Irvin all come to mind as players who had more red flags in recent draft histroy (for different reasons).
LOL at the patronizing comment and the not understanding the concept parts. The other part about the flaws and then mentioning guys like Dez Bryant, Blackmon, etc.
Let me tackle the latter first. I was speaking about that particular year. Was that really so hard to follow?
Your comments about Rodgers makes you sound uninformed. The guy is probably the greatest QB in the league and you call him a "flawed prospect." I brought him up to demonstrate how stupid people can be when evaluating QBs and how they over value height and don't place enough importance on football smarts.
I find it hard to believe you are that slow. Perhaps it is your thinking is clouded by your never-ending attempts to show me up. The evaluators were wrong. Period. He was not flawed. He is a great QB. Many teams blew it.
Leon had all kinds of issues and I brought them up quite a bit before the draft.
1. He was an inconsistent catcher of the ball.
2. He was a WR and when you are BUILDING a team, you should NEVER take a WR high.
3. He was benched by Lloyd Carr for disciplinary reasons.
4. He was not a good route runner.
5. He was said to have skipped practices and to fall asleep in meetings.
6. Against Michigan State, he removed himself from the game because he was upset at the coaching staff.
I saw what would happen w/his NFL career a mile away. I tried warning everyone, but then again, no one wanted to hear. Kinda like now. Of course, all of those people who told me how clueless I was never apologized.
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Vers the 2005 draft - Smith vs. Rodgers on the board we were discussing this back n forth...I was on the Rodgers side as was you.
To be honest, while I wanted either Rodgers or Smith---whichever guy was not drafted first overall............I made a stupid mistake and put Smith ahead of Rodgers at the top of my list due to how they played in the blow games and their post-season performances.
I actually had Rodgers higher during the season and that is probably what you remember. However, I made the change AFTER the season. I actually remember apologizing to you that you were right about Rodgers and I was wrong.
With that said............I would have taken either guy over any other player in the draft. Both had the components of being a top QB--mainly intelligence, and we needed a QB.
Of course, our management apparently agreed w/the ignorant fan base and drafted a WR [Leon] that year and drafted Charlie Frye in the third round.
The majority of posters were hoping for Leon early and a QB later. They got their wish. And people wonder why I say that year reminds me of this year? 
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I think you are having a hard time separating what Rodgers is now and what he is when he was coming out of college.
I don't even remember how this subject was brought up.
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I think you are having a hard time of either admitting you are wrong or at least---letting it go.
You are not making any sense. The flaws you are speaking of were imagined....not real.
This was brought up because of eerily similar this year's situation is playing out exactly the way it did in that particular year.
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I'm liking this front office more each day...saying no to a Schaub deal was the right move. 
You are, huh?
If they are so smart, why did they show interest in Schaub to begin with?
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I'm liking this front office more each day...saying no to a Schaub deal was the right move.
You are, huh?
If they are so smart, why did they show interest in Schaub to begin with?
so now we knock FO's for showing interest now?
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Did I knock them? mac was a guy who bad-mouthed EVERY move the previous FO made. Now, he is happy w/the new FO for showing interest in a QB who he thinks should NOT have been signed? And you are going to defend him?
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Personally, I hope we look into every single QB option.
Say, what's Brett Favre up to anyway?
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Did I knock them?
mac was a guy who bad-mouthed EVERY move the previous FO made. Now, he is happy w/the new FO for showing interest in a QB who he thinks should NOT have been signed?
And you are going to defend him?
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Yes, you did knock them.
What's wrong with showing interest? What did they do with that interest? Nothing. In other words, their interest was less than other teams interest. What's the harm in that?
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So much for Schaub......... http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdo...-134424849.htmlTexans officially trade quarterback Matt Schaub to Oakland Raiders for a sixth-round draft pick The Oakland Raiders need a starting quarterback. Houston does not want Matt Schaub. Talk about a match made in heaven. ESPN’s Adam Schefter originally reported Oakland would send a late-round draft in exchange for Schaub. The trade was made official on Friday afternoon, and Schefter said Schaub was dealt for a sixth-round pick this year.
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Can we suture this one up now?
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So its a fallacy that you CANNOT sit a #4 pick. Yes you can.
It used to be that teams had $40-50 million tied up in a top 5 QB and so they felt compelled to play them. They couldn't let them sit for 2 years because of all that money for "nothing".
Today, with the rookie cap they're not getting paid those ridiculous monies. That's probably where the bridge QB comes in. Teams can afford to pick a QB high and let him learn for a while before throwing him to the wolves. They can afford it because the contracts aren't so high.
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I'm liking this front office more each day...saying no to a Schaub deal was the right move.
You are, huh?
If they are so smart, why did they show interest in Schaub to begin with?
vers...where did you read that Pettine and/or Farmer "commented" , showing interest in Schaub?
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Oh, I don't know, mac.....Perhaps from the very first article that was posted on this thread? You know, the one that said that it was a "serious possibility" that the Browns would sign Matt Schuab.
Do you think it was one of the custodians or secretaries who was interested rather than Famer and Pettine?
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I see nothing wrong with being interested in Schaub as a free agent pick-up.
I would not have traded for Shaub. The Browns didn't.
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Okay.........the message is getting lost in translation. I was questioning mac as to why he thinks this FO is so smart for not signing Schaub when they were the ones who were interested in them in the first place. Tell me, what would have been mac's reaction to these moves if Banner and Lombardi were still here? Would he have liked this FO more and more and spoke about how they made the right move?
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So the Browns are SO loaded down with talent we don't need the player we select with the 4th pick in the draft to take the field? Glad to hear this team is so good we can afford to spend top five picks on bench warmers. If we take a QB at 4 and he CAN'T win the job, Farmer and company need to GO.
1. that was my statement so I can assume you meant that for me. As usual in your discussion you decided to interpret my post to benefit your position. We are talking about the QB position. THE HARDEST TRANSITION from college to NFL.
2. Marino and maybe RG3 were the only rookie QBs I ever saw excel. In all cases even Luck the playbook had to be dummied down if you start the rookie.
3. So its not as you say - that my claim is that we are so loaded with talent that we can just take a guy at 4 and sit him. We are talking about taking a Franchise QB and DEVELOPING him correctly for the next 10 years of play here! You totally ignored my statements about a new position that will come about called the Bridge QB...not my words but a pretty NFL wise person.
Right away you want to fire FARMER for looking to develop the Jewel we wish to run our Franchise to prominence. Hoyer's NFL knowledge and ability to learn the new offense and put it into execution is no surprise to be ahead of the ROOKIE QB whoever he is! The rookie will have a greater skill set once he develops and reaches his potential. Are you going to state that the NFL game is not experienced based? That a rookie should beat out a QB who GETS IT! Without he getting it yet?
And there is no time frame on how long he sits. There are several variables involved.
1. how fast does the rookie learn the play book.
2. how long it takes him to GET IT.
3. how well is Hoyer doing...does he progress and gets better from what we saw.
4. Is Hoyer just a mirage?
All these variables play into the sitting of the rookie. Even if the rookie comes in and starts Game 2 he will be better prepared than if he started from scratch game 1. I'll tell you why. He would have been able to observe. A Game Plan. The Game Plan put to the team in practicing the execution. The on the field execution. The adjustments. All this is different from anything he experienced in college. Hoyer happens to be good at this - so he would learn. Of course I would hope Hoyer was not horrific for us to start the rookie Game 2. I spelled this out to my post to you...maybe why you quoted somebody else???
Teams that don't have a Hoyer obviously will start the rookie right away.
We have a Hoyer. We are in the position we are in because we lost HOYER last season and are picking #4...if we did not lose HOYER we would not be picking where we are.
Hoyer still is not a QB to put ALL THE EGGS in that basket. I expect us to draft a QB, not any QB somebody we deem as THE GUY...and then we will develop him. We just HAPPEN TO HAVE A BRIDGE QB. I don't think the TEXANS have one in Fitzpatrick. I think the Jags have one in Henne. I think we have one in Hoyer.
Right away bs like fire Farmer. For doing the RIGHT Thing... come on Spirit.
jmho you can your too. But don't make up crapola on what I said - you know exactly what I mean and I see no discussion to counter it.
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Didn't Scaub go off the market? Or is there some weird back door trade cooking for draft day for him? I hope he is not ours. 
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Oh, I don't know, mac.....Perhaps from the very first article that was posted on this thread? You know, the one that said that it was a "serious possibility" that the Browns would sign Matt Schuab.
Do you think it was one of the custodians or secretaries who was interested rather than Famer and Pettine?
vers...I could not help but notice, you dodged my question...
"vers...where did you read that Pettine and/or Farmer "commented" , showing interest in Schaub? "
vers...what was the source for that first article?...Pettine?...Farmer?
If the Browns wanted Schaub...they could have had him.
Like many of the assumptions on this board, some fall prey to the famous "unnamed sources"...or "a league source" told the Cleveland media...
The source was probably Joe Banner, looking to stir the pot...or maybe someone else that doesn't want their name known...
...hardly a reliable source if they have to remain in hiding, IMO.
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LOL mac..........I dodged your question? Scroll back and see who asked whom the first question. Have a nice day, mac.
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vers...keep running boy!
care to try again?
"vers...where did you read that Pettine and/or Farmer "commented" , showing interest in Schaub? "
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Sounds like Pryor made be trade bait or maybe cut now as the Raiders had that other guy that took over last season to use for backup. What do people think about his potential as a backup here if he's released?
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