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Hmmm, that's interesting news!
McQuistan at Guard? That sounds like it could be nice.
Anyone have thoughts on Carrington?
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Both visits make sense to an extent. Carrington has ties to Pettine and McQuistan makes sense because of the need at guard.
McQuistan started at multiple spots along the Seahawks offensive line last season and has played both guard spots in his career. While he is not the guy people wanted it is nice to see that we know we need help at the guard position and McQuistan is probably better than what we have now (Faulk, Gilkey, etc.).
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OL Paul McQuistan...in the last 3 yrs with the Seahawks, he started...
... 10 games in 2011
...16 games in 2012
...14 games in 2013
It looks like he played every position but center, showing great versatility.
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I agree. Buster made nice strides from season 1 to season 2.
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While he is not the guy people wanted it is nice to see that we know we need help at the guard position and McQuistan is probably better than what we have now (Faulk, Gilkey, etc.).
Given we let a guard go to FA (hahahahahahahhah @ Washington) - it's clear that we should be looking and seeking help at guard. If we weren't, I'd be afraid... very afraid 
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McQuistan, 31 next month, started 40 games the past three seasons for the Seahawks. He's capable of playing both guard and tackle but isn't particularly good at any spot. McQuistan would compete for the swing role in Cleveland. Mar 19 - 5:23 PM
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Cousins signed with Tampa late last week I believe.
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It was sarcasm, lol... as the comment said he could play both guard and tackle, and isn't any good at either of them. That's a definition of Cousins in my book lol.
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I look at the last 3 guys to visit, and am really not that impressed.
I understand that we're looking at depth at this point, but CB with behavior and health issues? The guy was arrested twice in a month in 2012, was suspended for personal conduct, entered into drug treatment, and tore up a knee last year.
Man, that's a lot to have to overlook.
Carrington takes a lot of projection. He has played on a defensive line with a LOT of talent, and hasn't done much to distinguish himself. 4 years in the league and he has played 44 games, has 52 total tackles, and 4 total sacks. That's almost one year for Rubin.He might project as a great player, but so far it's all projection. Some have said that he can help teach Pettine's system, but he only played 3 games in that system before getting hurt. Maybe he can be a great player, but he hasn't really shown much on defense yet.
As far as McQuistan ...... he's a lineman ...... but that's really about it from what I can tell. O'Neil Cousins was signed before he was. So was (formerly) our own Shawn Lauvao. That doesn't exactly speak volumes as to his talent. I hope that he's just depth. I can accept that .... but he sure doesn't seem like a solid starter. The Seahawks don't seem in any hurry to bring him back.
I can see signing McQuistan to a minimum type deal as a backup to take Cousins' place. Berry leaves me really cold. He has major issues that concern me greatly.
Carrington seems like the kind of guy who is going to get a contract based on :"could be" rather than "is". He has been to several places and has left without signing ...... so I wonder if teams either don't like him enough to make an offer, or if he is pricing his way out of other teams' plans.
I just don't want to see us blow a ton of cash on :"C" players. If we sign any of them, then I'll hope for the best ...... but it will be cautious optimism at best.
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As far as McQuistan ...... he's a lineman ...... but that's really about it from what I can tell. O'Neil Cousins was signed before he was. So was (formerly) our own Shawn Lauvao. That doesn't exactly speak volumes as to his talent. I hope that he's just depth. I can accept that .... but he sure doesn't seem like a solid starter. The Seahawks don't seem in any hurry to bring him back.
Plenty of quality starters are found later in free agency. Last year Karlos Dansby wasn't signed till May.
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McQuistan had a rough year at LT. He was moved to LG and improved. Sounds like McQuistan will make a better guard than tackle.
I'm unfamiliar with Seattle's blocking schemes. Maybe McQuistan does well in zone blocking.
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Carrington was a rising star in the 3-4 defense before the switch. He's one of the premier run stuffers at the position. He was set for a break out in 2013 before he hurt himself and was out the rest of the season.
He has legitimate talent and would fit nicely as a cheaper replacement for when Rubin's time is done here.
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I look at the last 3 guys to visit, and am really not that impressed.
I understand that we're looking at depth at this point, but CB with behavior and health issues? The guy was arrested twice in a month in 2012, was suspended for personal conduct, entered into drug treatment, and tore up a knee last year.
Man, that's a lot to have to overlook.
Carrington takes a lot of projection. He has played on a defensive line with a LOT of talent, and hasn't done much to distinguish himself. 4 years in the league and he has played 44 games, has 52 total tackles, and 4 total sacks. That's almost one year for Rubin.He might project as a great player, but so far it's all projection. Some have said that he can help teach Pettine's system, but he only played 3 games in that system before getting hurt. Maybe he can be a great player, but he hasn't really shown much on defense yet.
As far as McQuistan ...... he's a lineman ...... but that's really about it from what I can tell. O'Neil Cousins was signed before he was. So was (formerly) our own Shawn Lauvao. That doesn't exactly speak volumes as to his talent. I hope that he's just depth. I can accept that .... but he sure doesn't seem like a solid starter. The Seahawks don't seem in any hurry to bring him back.
I can see signing McQuistan to a minimum type deal as a backup to take Cousins' place. Berry leaves me really cold. He has major issues that concern me greatly.
Carrington seems like the kind of guy who is going to get a contract based on :"could be" rather than "is". He has been to several places and has left without signing ...... so I wonder if teams either don't like him enough to make an offer, or if he is pricing his way out of other teams' plans.
I just don't want to see us blow a ton of cash on :"C" players. If we sign any of them, then I'll hope for the best ...... but it will be cautious optimism at best.
i agree...i have no idea why they are even looking at berry..i rather bring rogers in on a show me than a headcase like berry.
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Carrington was a rising star in the 3-4 defense before the switch. He's one of the premier run stuffers at the position. He was set for a break out in 2013 before he hurt himself and was out the rest of the season.
He has legitimate talent and would fit nicely as a cheaper replacement for when Rubin's time is done here.
The fact remains that while he might be a potential break out star, no one has blown him away with an offer yet ....... and he has played games in 4 years, and has 52 total tackles, with 4 sacks over that time. It;s like the kid from Cincinnati, Michael Johnson, that everyone talked up , and who got himself a big contract from Tampa Bay. Johnson had one huge year out of 5 years in the NFL, and got a $34 million deal with $24 million guaranteed. At least he had one breakout year though. Carrington has played largely like a backup. If we sign him, then I'll hope that he'll become a great player ..... but from where I sit, I have a hard time seeing the same greatness some others do.
As our backup DEs last year, John Hughes had tackles and a sack, and Winn had 21 tackles and 2 sacks. Winn had 6 tackles for loss, and Hughes had 2. Carrington played alongside talented players like Marion Williams, (13 sacks) Kyle Williams, (10.5 sacks) and Marcell Dareus. (7.5 sacks) Man, those 3, along with Jerry Hughes,(10 sacks) draw a whole lot of attention away from whoever else is working with them. IIRC, all 4 of those guys had career years rushing the passer last year. Carrington played 3 games.
The only real reason I have to believe that Carrington might be something is because Pettine did bring career years in sacks out of those 4 players I mentioned above, so he much recognize pass rush talent when he sees it. I hope so, if we sign this kid. I don't see anything that would justify a big contract.
I do have to contest the "premiere run stuffer" tag. He has played 44 games, and has 52 tackles. (33 solo, and 19 assists) The guy had has a career high of 18 tackles in a year. That's not a "premiere run stuffer". That is a guy who makes little over 1 tackle/game. Can you explain why you see a premiere run stuffer?
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As far as McQuistan ...... he's a lineman ...... but that's really about it from what I can tell. O'Neil Cousins was signed before he was. So was (formerly) our own Shawn Lauvao. That doesn't exactly speak volumes as to his talent. I hope that he's just depth. I can accept that .... but he sure doesn't seem like a solid starter. The Seahawks don't seem in any hurry to bring him back.
Plenty of quality starters are found later in free agency. Last year Karlos Dansby wasn't signed till May.
That can happen. However, McQuistan was part of an OL that allowed the 10th most sacks in the NFL last year, despite their offense throwing the ball the 2nd fewest times in the NFL, and having a mobile and intelligent QB, who understands how to work in the pocket and get rid of the ball. Seattle was in no rush to try and bring him back. O'Niel Cousins and Shaun Lauvoa were both signed before this guy had his 1st visit.  That concerns me a great deal.
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The fact remains that while he might be a potential break out star, no one has blown him away with an offer yet
I have seen this point come up several times. Just because a player is still available doesn't mean anything other than he hasn't been signed (thank you Captain Obvious!). Free agents have been available to be signed for only a week, there are deals to be had.
Carrington is the exact type of guy who should be available. He is a younger player who got derailed by injury.
As far as Carrington being a run stuffer. I have no clue. I hadn't even heard of the guy before he came in for a visit with us. But there are other ways to stuff the run other than making the tackle (setting the edge, collapsing the line, etc.).
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Last year Paul Kruger did the best job of setting the edge of any player I have seen since the Browns came back in 1999. (even better than Matt Roth, who was probably the previous best since 1999) While Kruger did not always make the tackle, he did a great job of forcing the actions back to the inside.
I don't believe that this was something that Carrington necessarily did all that well, as Buffalo was the 3rd worst rush defense last year. They were 2nd worst in 2012, and 28th in 2011. I don't think that anyone set the edge for the Bills defense particularly well.
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To be clear, I know nothing about Carrington. Just saying that being good against the run is can mean more than just making tackles.
If anybody knows how good/bad Carrington is it would be his old defensive coordinator Pettine.
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My point is that th bills defense has been awful against the run while he's been there, and he hasn;t been much of anything in the pass rush aspect, or making tackles, despite having many other players to take the opposing offense's attention away from him.
I just don't want to see us give him some huge contract, or cut one of our promising guys, just to fit him in.
Maybe I'm wrong about him, and maybe he'll be a superstar if he comes here. I'd be perfectly OK with being wrong in that case .... but I worry that I might just be right about my concerns if he does come here.
I just don't see what he upgrades if we sign him. Do we sign him to be a starter? If so, then who does he start over? Rubin, who is our most complete DE by far and who makes plays all over the field ...... or Bryant, who can rush the passer, and who also does a nice job against the run?
I don't see him as an upgrade.
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He'd sign as a rotational guy, I'm assuming. I don't think anyone in our FA thinks he could replace anyone on our d-line.
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I believe I remember seeing stats from Pro Football Focus about his run stopping ability. Unfortunately, I lost my premium account there and cannot find the stats anywhere.
I do think the guy would be a great signing, and I'd rather have him as a backup at an end spot than Hughes, who I would use in more of a NT situation. Hughes screams NT to me, not so much DE. JMO
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Carrington is a DE in a 3-4 or a 4-3.
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He'd sign as a rotational guy, I'm assuming. I don't think anyone in our FA thinks he could replace anyone on our d-line.
He would have to replace someone. How many DE can we carry in a 3-4 alignment?
Right now we have ...
D Bryant
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Hughes
We signed Sanford when Desmond Bryant went on IR.
I cannot see us carrying more than 5 DE and a couple of NT. Carrington is not a NT. If we sign Carrington, one of our current DE has to go. There just isn't room in a 3-4 defense for 6 DE. (unless one can double as a LB, which ours cannot)
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He'd sign as a rotational guy, I'm assuming. I don't think anyone in our FA thinks he could replace anyone on our d-line.
He would have to replace someone. How many DE can we carry in a 3-4 alignment?
Right now we have ...
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Hughes
We signed Sanford when Desmond Bryant went on IR.
I cannot see us carrying more than 5 DE and a couple of NT. Carrington is not a NT. If we sign Carrington, one of our current DE has to go. There just isn't room in a 3-4 defense for 6 DE. (unless one can double as a LB, which ours cannot)
One thing to consider is either the coaching staff sees a current player who isn't a good fit or some team has inquired about trading for one of our linemen.
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All of the guys who mentioned are versatile. Hughes and Rubin can also both play the nose. Desmond Bryant can play every position in multiple sets. Armonty Bryant can probably move out to OLB.
I see no problem in signing Carrington. Even if it means we trade someone like Winn or Hughes to upgrade a different position.
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You're not impressive simply because there is NOTHING to be impressed over. Really, they're a bunch of bums outside maybe the DE from Buffalo - but why do we even remotely think we need another d-linemen? It seems pointless to me... The other two guys... ugh. Nothing in terms of excitement outta me. Especially Berry, didn't we learn about people with "issues" in Bess? These guys including the guard, I don't even know if I'd want even as low end depth. 
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Offensive guards...in the draft or free agency!
Same thing i said last year (and the year before). Overpay a little if you have to. We need them!
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I think they should but I doubt they are. Should the Browns try to go after Richie Icgonito, offensive lineman formerly with the Dolphins.
It's a notable year where, Maurice Jones Drew, Julius Peppers, and now Devin Hester are up for, whatever.
We'll see what happens with MJD, that is the kind of (type of) player the Browns need, a runningback who can catch the ball out of the backfield with the most success.
Anyway, Icgonito? The Browns could use an average O-lineman.
What do I have against Gilkey and Pinkston? Gilkey played in division 2 in college, and being the only O-Line draft pick last year, barely saw the field.
And Pinkston, has in the past been overtaken for his spot by others, and we're not talking draft picks from the top 3 rounds.
So should we expect Gilkey or Pinkston will show vast improvement? No.
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“I feel really good about our corners,” Ryan said. “Obviously Dee Milliner, he’s a young man that we had a lot of high expectations for, and he started to fulfill those expectations later in the year. We kind of predicted that he would go through some growing pains and then come out of it and that’s exactly what he did. . . . Obviously we have Kyle Wilson who has been in that nickel role for us for a while. We were willing to get Ellis Lankster back, who is an outstanding special teams presence for us, but will maybe have more of a chance in different roles. Darrin Walls is kind of like our relief pitcher, he filled in for us, so we’re comfortable there. [They are] guys that have been in our system a while. And there’s another guy, Ras-I Dowling, a guy that we really thought a lot of. . . . I’m happy with the guys that we have.”
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I'm with ya, He would be a upgrade from what we have now, I'd make sure we protect ourselves from his bonehead moves, make sure he gets continued help while he's here,
I'm not against bringing him in, sometimes situations get out of hand and diffrnet situations bring out diffrent types of people, maybe a change would do him good, if the money was right and he has his head on striaght now I wouldnt mind bringing him in, we all deserve 2nd chances and some 3rd chance
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I've been sick of it.
There are a lot of reasons I quit listening to Mike & Mike but Greeny getting to be a Jet homer and talk about them SO much was a big one. I'm sorry, but New York City doesn't make a crappy team (Knicks too, don't mention Phil & there recent winning streak) worth so much coverage.
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yeah we have a runing bet at our house what team will ESPN highlight first
Jets
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Skins
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And every damn show talks about the same thing, just different voices with the same message about the same teams.
Then they mention how everybody is talking about it... well not S### Sherlock you all are towing the company line....all self fulfilling crap
I just hate listening to ESPN anymore
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Pinkston, has in the past been overtaken for his spot by others, and we're not talking draft picks from the top 3 rounds. 1. Pinkston lost his starting job only due to injury.
2. "we're" Just who is WE ARE in your statement of "not talking draft picks for the top 3 rounds" Mock drafts? Dawgs on this board?
Heck I'm even putting out there we go for Robinson at #4 if TeddyB is gone. Am I a "we" 
If it means the Browns? What do we actually know what their plan is for the draft.
Actually I find it hard to believe that with the first 5 picks (rounds 1-3) we do not have an OL prospect in there.
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Agree on all counts.
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I just hate listening to ESPN anymore
You actually still go there?
I haven't watched esp(i)n in years....
Scores and highlights only... turn sound down or just shut it out
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