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As far as dirt, Blount's first big spotlight was throwing a cheap-shot punch at an opponent after a loss when he was in college. He knocked out an OL, I think he broke his jaw...
In Tampa there were rumors about his character. Bellicheck has a knack for working with character-issue guys. Hate to say it, but PIT or BAL are probably great landing spots for him.
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just saw Pryor is demanding a release from Oakland. We should look into bringing him in, he could run Shannys O.
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He's an Ohio State fan? 
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I'm not sure Pryor can run any offense. He can definitely run though.
I'm not sure demanding his release is a good idea at all. I don't think there are many teams that are going to want to sign him....
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I would sign him to a incentive type contract. The kid is a gamer for sure. And just to clear the air him being from Ohio State means nothing to me. In fact being a Michigan fan for the longest time I hated the guy cause he would make play after play on us. But he reminds me of RG3, but built to take more hits. Low-risk, high reward is how I see him. And if he bombs out in training camp cut him. But I think he has some untapped talent in him to be a good QB.
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I always liked Troy...thought he was going to be good even some of his NFL action did not look that bad. Something must have been up with him. Did he get in trouble...missed a test or two??? He fell off the face of the earth and could have played some games for us in the past.
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Not good enough for the NFL, doing time in the CFL with the Montreal Allouette's.
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I've been told by people that it's because he had an attitude problem with authority figures. People might put up with it when you're a starter, but not when you're a 2nd stringer. Troy Smith was a free agent when Harbaugh came to the 9ers, and Harbaugh's plan was to bring in another QB, so he let Troy walk.
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Eagles pro-bowl guard Evan Mathis being shopped Wonder what they would want in a trade????????????????? I'd be MORE than happy to acquire him. He'd be a monster upgrade over Cousins and Lava Man at guard.
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Wonder what they would want in a trade????????????????? I'd be MORE than happy to acquire him. He'd be a monster upgrade over Cousins and Lava Man at guard.
So, he's a zone blocking type Guard?
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Wonder what they would want in a trade????????????????? I'd be MORE than happy to acquire him. He'd be a monster upgrade over Cousins and Lava Man at guard.
I'd love to have him if the asking price is not too steep. We have plenty of draft picks to trade with for a demonstrated need.
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Wonder what they would want in a trade????????????????? I'd be MORE than happy to acquire him. He'd be a monster upgrade over Cousins and Lava Man at guard.
So, he's a zone blocking type Guard?
He is the best OG in football, period.
I get that he's 32yo, but it's still strange why the Eagles would shop him?
They probably realize he's gone after 2014 and try to sell high on him now. Since they'll certainly get a comp 3rd or 4th if he leaves, that's about what it would take to get him I guess. We have the need, the money and the system fit. For a mid rounder, I don't see why we wouldn't be interested in him...
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If he doesn't move well laterally, I can see why we wouldn't.
That said, I don't know that he can't. If so, sure. It would be a nice upgrade...and his age doesn't bother me, if we could get him to agree to the right kind of contract before we traded.
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From an article that Farmer should read one of these days, as he's checking half of the "nine mistakes GM's will make"  https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/03/10/nine-mistakes-gms-will-make/Some teams, like the Steelers, have a reputation for not giving Free Agency much prominence. There’s a lot to be said for the draft in terms of value for money but, if teams do their work properly, there are real bargains to be had, particularly on the O-Line. Every year it seems quality players drift about before someone lucks out by signing them as a back-up, having an injury, playing them and realising they had a much better player than they thought. In 2009 (before anyone else had even heard of him) we graded Evan Mathis as the fifth-best guard in the league before injury and a strange rotation with Nate Livings in 2010 saw him enter free agency as something of a mystery to every NFL team. We still had him rated as the fourth-best interior lineman in that free agency class but, as it transpired, anyone could have had him for the veteran minimum as teams just seemed to ignore the tape. It turns out we had it wrong too, he turned into the best guard in the league and probably the best value for money signing that entire year. He’s now rightly an All-Pro but his $5M APY is still peanuts for a player of his ability and as good a reason as any to play the game called Free Agency.
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He didn't get #1 wrong by letting Ward walk.
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So, he's a zone blocking type Guard?
He is the best OG in football, period.
I get that he's 32yo, but it's still strange why the Eagles would shop him?
They probably realize he's gone after 2014 and try to sell high on him now. Since they'll certainly get a comp 3rd or 4th if he leaves, that's about what it would take to get him I guess. We have the need, the money and the system fit. For a mid rounder, I don't see why we wouldn't be interested in him...
Eagles are seeking a 3d round pick for Evan Mathis. Possibly would take a 4th. Otherwise teams figure Philly holds on to him
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But he signed Whitner and Dansby off career years which happened to be contract years. Ward gradually got better from seasons one to four. Whitner was crap in pass coverage before last season, he and his DC admitted that.
Farmer nails points 1, 2, 7, and 9 with how he "managed" this FA imho
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Wonder what they would want in a trade????????????????? I'd be MORE than happy to acquire him. He'd be a monster upgrade over Cousins and Lava Man at guard.
So, he's a zone blocking type Guard?
He is the best OG in football, period.
I get that he's 32yo, but it's still strange why the Eagles would shop him?
They probably realize he's gone after 2014 and try to sell high on him now. Since they'll certainly get a comp 3rd or 4th if he leaves, that's about what it would take to get him I guess. We have the need, the money and the system fit. For a mid rounder, I don't see why we wouldn't be interested in him...
Eagles are seeking a 3d round pick for Evan Mathis. Possibly would take a 4th. Otherwise teams figure Philly holds on to him
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For a 4th, it really should be a no brainer...let's think for a minute: AllPro OG or a developmental rookie that needs 1-2 seasons to "maybe" become a "who knows" starter? Hmmm...I'm sure Farmer goes with the rookie though, lol.
Lauvao was a 3rd rounder, Pinkston a 5th...I liked both as prospects out of the draft, mind you, but I would trade my 4th ANY draft for an AllPro player...
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I'm confused, why should farmer read that? I mean, if the point is that a steal can be had in FA for Oline, I'd bet he knows it.
I guess I'm not getting your point.
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My point is the headline of the article. Just like with player and coache's, there are better and lesser GM's. The worse GM's tend to make those mistakes mentioned in the article and it covers a lot of what I've talked about the past week with regards to Farmer...anyway: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/22/2013-pff-all-nfc-north-team/Left Guard: Evan Mathis, PHI For a few seasons now Evan Mathis has been the best offensive guard in football. He doesn’t look like Larry Allen, but he controls his opponent on virtually every down in the run game, sealing him away from the point of attack and generating good holes for his running backs. He finally made All-Pro this season to go with his various PFF awards and retains his spot on the All-NFC East team.
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Mathis makes $5.15 million this year but wants a new deal. How much is he worth?
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According to PFF about 10mil/season.
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4. Evan Mathis, G - Cap: $4.0m, JVM: $10.0m, Value Differential: +$6.0m
Considering it was his AllPro season at age 32 and where he came from, a 3-4 year deal worth 6-8mil should do it. 4years, 28-30mil, 12 guaranteed with some roster or game day bonuses to keep him motivated and the Browns covered for age-decline. Something like that.
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I'd do it right now, pending being able to sign him to a long-term restructured deal.
Heck, make it a 6 year deal if you want to make it cap-friendly... just make the real part of the deal for 3-4 years with numbers that allow us to walk away easily in years 4-6.
And, it makes Mack all that much better.
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So if Mack stays and we were to sign Mathis the Oline could be from the center to the left tackle (Mack - Pro Bowler, Mathis - Pro Bowler, Joe Thomas - All World). What QB wouldn't want to sit behind that left side of the line?  I like the thought, but that's a lot of $$$ tied up on the Oline.
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Still why are the Eagles getting rid of him. Too slow? Too Old for the fast pace? They wish to go young and fast from this draft....
Keep in mind, he is not a FA and open for market. He is being "SHOPPED" obviously they are not going past his current contract and want something for him...checking out what they can get for this draft. So they value the draft pick over the player??? Is our need that great to go with the player and not the future?
All depends why they are looking to part ways.
Never heard Quick Play regarding our Offense??? I did last season but never saw it remotely on the field. But I do know we are going to a stretch orientated offense. Which the Eagles will be utilizing as well looking at the blocking schemes. I can understand better than Lava...but is it what we are looking for. And then at what cost? 2nd 3rd rounder. Would we be better off getting somebody from the draft at that spot for the team?
I am skeptical when a team is willing to let someone go, unless its Cap related.
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Who cares? There's more than one way to build a strong team and as long as we haven't found our franchise QB (and have to pay him), then the cap is just that, a number of cash you are not allowed to go over. Right now, we're still 30mil under it and that includes Mack's 10mil
Posters have this fear we won't have enough to re-sign our own, but that's simply not a problem at all. We're way more than that already under the cap next season. We can re-sign Cameron, Haden, Sheard and even Rubin if we want to. Haden's $ number won't go up significantly anyway since he's already makein 8-9mil on his rookie deal.
We can do whatever we WANT to...it's that part and how the FO thinks about it that has me more concerned than some future cap contest. This team has lived for or in the future way too long now. It's time to think about how we can get better come week one 2014, not 2016
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I'd love to send our high 4th to Philly for Mathis (and then sign him to a 4 year $30M deal with an out after 2 years $15M) - and then send our low 4th to Dallas for Claiborne.
At that point we'd only have QB, WR2, ILB, FS as holes going into the draft. We could do (Trade 26+ second 3rd round pick to get up to 20)
4 - Bridgewater, QB
20 - C.J. Mosley, ILB
35 - Davante Adams, WR
73 - Terrence Brooks, FS
That's a pretty complete team there.
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I talked to an Eagles fan in passing after the news broke and he said it was because of contract/cap situation. Though I haven't had time to look into his claims.
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The way I see it, there can only be two reasons why they want to trade him:
1. The know something non of us knows. Maybe he has gone nuts like Bess or something like that...
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2. They talked extension (just like we did with Mack) and are too far apart and won't committ another 3-4 years at a high price for an OG and figure that a mid rounder for the future plus the 5mil freed up will help them more than one more year of AllPro G play.
Another reason could be scheme. Maybe they don't need elite OGs, just decent one's to run their scheme? Isn't Kelly's scheme supposed to be a lot about quick pitch and catch?
Anyway, for a 4th, the risk is minimal from our view as long as we protect ourselves money wise for his age 35+ seasons. OGs can play at a high level well into their mid 30s, there have been multiple examples of that, so I'd at least expect another two seasons at very high level with Mathis
I hope we at least consider this golden opportunity
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They are currently about $18 million under the cap. Evans' current contract is like this: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/evan-mathis/Code:
Year Base S.Bonus Misc. Cap Hit Dead Money
2014 5,150,000 1,000,000 - 6,150,000 3,000,000
2015 5,500,000 1,000,000 - 6,500,000 2,000,000
2016 6,000,000 1,000,000 - 7,000,000 1,000,000
2017 UFA
$7 million guaranteed
2013 Roster Bonus: $1 million
Incentives: $6.25 million
The Eagler's apparently want him to restructure, and he apparently wants more than he's getting... so, they want to get something for him while they can, I guess.
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If cap is the case then usually the trade demand is not that great. I wouldn't mind a 4th round pick being the cost.
But we'll see if that is just draft 2014 only...or a deal can be made after the draft which would indicate its mostly the cap. Just like somebody was just trade for a 2015 pick.
We'll see - I think we will want to go through the draft now and then pursue some pickups after the draft.
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Anyway, for a 4th, the risk is minimal from our view as long as we protect ourselves money wise for his age 35+ seasons. OGs can play at a high level well into their mid 30s, there have been multiple examples of that, so I'd at least expect another two seasons at very high level with Mathis
I hope we at least consider this golden opportunity
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I would even be willing to give up a third round to fill one of the holes in the Oline.
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Of course we actually would have to have a hole...lol 
I'm sure its in our definition of the word.
I don't see a HOLE per say. I see possible upgrades but no hole.
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Yeah, I don't know.
I like the idea of the player ..... but I don't know about his contract demands. He is scheduled to make $5.5 million this year, and wants a new deal. (with a raise, no doubt) How much do you give a 32 year old Guard. How does that affect the cap longer term? How much do you tie up in the OL overall? How much of a guarantee do you give him? What about a signing bonus?
We will have Alex mack at $10 million + for this coming season.
Joe Thomas is in the middle of an 8 year, $92 million deal with $44 guaranteed. He will make roughly $10 million/year with salary and roster/workout bonuses. This season is the high water mark, though, and his salary begins to decline starting next season.
However, with $20 million tied up between these 2 players, how much more do you pour into a Guard? Also, we will either have to re-sign or replace Schwartz in a couple of years, as we also have guys like Haden, Cameron,Gordon, and others coming up for new contracts.
We need to be cautious as to how we handle our finances going forward.
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