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OK, new topic. We all have our guys. We can all project who we think the Browns will draft.
So step right up and say who is going to be the biggest bust in this draft.
Then provide some backbone as to why.
For me the guy who I believe will bomb is Manziel.
In college Manziel was a giant. He captured the attention of everyone with his style of play. He even got the nickname that went along with the hype "Johnny Football". Everybody wanted to watch Mr. Excitement and he put on a show.
However, college football is not NFL football. Let's start with decision making. When you look at tape his recognition of the defense often is lacking. Merril Hoge (not my favorite media guy) showed some tape:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10632465&ex_cid=espnapi_internal
Manziel's size along with his decisions to tuck and run will spell disaster in the NFL. Outside of Russell Wilson how many sub 6' guys have done well in the NFL?
Accuracy: If you have seen the highlights then you have seen the duck and chuck. Having a receiver like Evans in college can pump up the stats and provide lots of excitement. Evans bailed out Manziel often. He went up and pulled down throws that will not make a highlight reel in the NFL because they will be picks. That is not to say he can not throw the with accuracy. He can. But his drive to make plays that are not there will lead him to poor decisions which will result in problems.
Arm strength: He has a decent arm but he has to load up to make the tough NFL type throws where you have to drive the ball to the target. Arm strength can be compensated with reading defenses and timing ala. Manning. Manziel has not demonstrated that type of ability.
Intangibles: I am not going to overplay this because I do not like to make statements that are not verifiable from reliable sources. There have been questions brought up about his character. I will leave it there.
In the end analysis Manziel has unique skills that worked at the college level. He played with passion and he made plays that won games. In the NFL the requirements for success are different. You have to play within the team system. You have to read defenses. You have to be accurate and on time. In my opinion it is going to be a struggle for him.
In Andrew Luck's first year he threw 23 TD's and 18 int's and completed 54.1% of his passes.
Peyton Manning in his first year threw 26 TD's and 28 int's and completed 56.7% of his passes.
Luck and Manning both played four years of college ball and by most experts opinions were the most NFL ready guys to come into the league. In addition, in their college careers they demonstrated every skill and had the prototype measurements. They were both the first pick in the draft. Even with all that their first year was not all roses.
Manziel does not measure up to them.
I am not saying he will bust but he has the deck stacked against him.
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I'd too, if had to guess, would pick Johnny. So much hype and etc, so much he has said in arrogant fashion (that is my opinion of it anyway) - he has much to live up to and we'll see what he can do.
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I think that Clowney has enormous bust potential.
He has incredible physical talent, but doesn't seem to love the game. He loves the idea of getting paid to play the game ... but I think that the game is just a means to an end. (big money)
He took himself out of games at South Carolina with really pretty minor injuries, and held himself out even when cleared for game action. I just don't see a guy who wants to be on the field, with his teammates, at all costs.
He seems to be the exact opposite of a guy like Alex Mack, who played a week or so after having an appendectomy. I have trouble seeing Clowney doing that. In fact, I would put him closer to the Peyton Hillis end of the spectrum, and we saw how a guy like that worked out long term.
I dread the thought that we could use the 4th overall pick on a guy who doesn't love the game, and who could alienate his teammates by sitting out with minor ouchies.
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Bortles if he has to play early.
Clowney if he doesn't get his head screwed on straight.
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I'd say one of the top 3 QBs has to be on the list, even if you're a person who wants us to select one of them. I just see so many question marks and drawbacks to each.
One other guy who popped into my head was Anthony Barr. I worry about his stature and would be hesitant to make him a top selection.
On a side note, my dirty mind saw the thread TITle and my initial response was Dolly Parton.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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QBs: Bortles because he'll get drafted in the first.
Non-QBs: Ka'Deem Carey if he's drafted in the first two days.
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I've got to say Bortles. Body or not, I was unimpressed with his film. He played terrible competition and put up meager numbers compare to Bridgewater in the same conference.
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Any of these guys can bust, but obviously the QB's in today's NFL get overdrafted and thrown in right away, and therefore are marked as busts probably more than anyone.
I think Watkins has bust potential, and I love the guy. WR's drafted high don't exactly have a great history.
I don't really like that thinking when you are trying to identify a player you want. I think it's more about how you think he fits with you vs who has the least amount of bust potential. Any of these guys can bust.
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Come on folks if you call somebody out back it up.
Explain why. Give some reasons or links or something.
That's why this board gets frustrating at times. People make statements. Regurgitate what they heard and do zero research. Then they want to argue with nothing to back up absurd statements.
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I guess I'd pick Manziel but it's weird to me because it just seems so obvious to me that he's not going to make it in the NFL. I'm expecting him to slide out of the top 10 but probably will be picked in the 1st round by someone that can't help themselves. I guess what I'm saying is yes he'll bust but most everyone will be saying "ya, we pretty much knew that was going to happen".
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Bortles hands down.
He passes the eyes test and nothing else. He lacks accuracy, poise, true leadership(I'm sorry but he says uhh every 3rd word). He's a robot. He is just like all the other QB's everyone wishes could be a great QB because of their "potential" in the NFL but he doesn't have it between the ears. Unlike any other position potential as a QB is directly related to an innate ability you are born with. Bortles ain't got it.
Mike Evans. Never has a 6'5 230lb WR played like he was a slot like this kid. His ceiling is Marques Colston. Funny thing is how many people believe Colston would be special without Brees? Not this guy. Every tape I watch it was a perfect throw by Johnny. I don't see a 1st round WR here.
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Biggest bust? I don't think anyone will ever top the bust size of Andre Smith: 
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I'd say Manziel but I think his draft stock may plummet out of the top 10, mitigating the Bust.
He is not a pocket passer. That will limit interest and make it very difficult if he's on a weak roster. His frame makes his playing style very shaky in the NFL, one bad injury and his wheels become a liability.
Also, so much of his Magic was escaping a sack by a hair. In the NFL, he'll face the guys that have that extra step and close the door. He's not Big Ben, he won't escape nearly as much when the elite DL are there.
CAUTION: On the official Board, everyone said Cam Newton would be a bust. I mean everyone! Laughing and scoffing at CAR.
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Sorry, fish... I was posting from my phone.
Bortles I've written about many times. They guy has substandard play recognition and spotty accuracy. He's got a compact enough delivery, but when he has to throw deep he has a huge windup. He threw terrible interceptions. He just doesn't have the skills I want to see from an NFL QB: pre-snap recognition, accuracy, quick release, good decision making.
Ka'Deem Carey I've also written about. Copied from my site's RB rankings:
14. Ka'Deem Carey, Arizona: I don't like him nearly as much as he's been talked up. He needs a lot of help at the line of scrimmage to do anything. If he gets the ball in the open field he can beat people with power and moves. He doesn't show an ability to find the small holes. Doesn't always make good decisions behind the line of scrimmage. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of Trent Richardson, for good and for bad. I don't know that his game translates well to the NFL. (Boston College, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Oregon)
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Bust potential in my opinion is at least 25% dependent on the team that drafts them. If the Jags pick a QB they will be my pick to bust. There's not enough talent on their offense for any QB to be successful.
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As predicted he is actually a good player. I thought we should have drafted him. Instead we traded down and took Mack.
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Teddy Bridgewater -- I've explained my feelings on Bridgewater multiple times. His ball has no zip to it and floats to the receivers.
Matt Schaub is going to be impressed with the amount of Pick 6's this kid throws.
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As predicted he is actually a good player. I thought we should have drafted him. Instead we traded down and took Mack.
also, as expected, he was woefully out of shape and ended up missing most of his rookie year injured, played less than 1/2 the games his 2nd year, and struggled in his 3rd year. he finally got his conditioning/strength in order by his 4th year in the league and was good last year (his 5th) as well.
I doubt you would find many who would think that Mack's first 5 years were not much better overall than Andre Smith's first 5 years.
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Mack was also the 21st pick, while Smith was the 6th pick. If we didn't trade down in that draft we wouldn't have been able to draft all three of Robiskie, Massaquoi, and Veikune and that would have set our franchise back.
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Mack was also the 21st pick, while Smith was the 6th pick. If we didn't trade down in that draft we wouldn't have been able to draft all three of Robiskie, Massaquoi, and Veikune and that would have set our franchise back.
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So you're saying you wouldnt have enjoyed drafting Clay Matthews, Jarius Byrd, Andy Levitre, and LeSean McCoy that year?
Yeah... what a crappy draft THAT would of been...
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OK....I'll admit to being a little let down after reading the topic title to not see lot's of pictures on this thread.  
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I'm going to say.based on what they experts say where they should be drafted
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Teddy Bridgewater. he should be picked in the later rounds... and if he's picked in the first he's doomed.
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I hooked you up Peen
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CJ Mosley.
Cement feet. Not an impact player. He's going to be a guy who will be a one or two down linebacker, a guy who will absolutely not make the dynamite play. Pretty stunned that he's being talked so highly about. He was pretty unimpressive in college and I don't see him being better in the Pros.
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CJ Mosley.
Cement feet. Not an impact player. He's going to be a guy who will be a one or two down linebacker, a guy who will absolutely not make the dynamite play. Pretty stunned that he's being talked so highly about. He was pretty unimpressive in college and I don't see him being better in the Pros.
Wow, that goes against almost everything I have seen and read about him.
According to CBS, he has great instincts, and an ability to get through traffic to make plays. I take it that you disagree.
Other sites cite his ability against the pass as a strength. I assume from your comments that you disagree?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1762120/cj-mosley
TRENGTHS: Mosley does a nice job using his length and lower body fluidity to keep himself clean through a crowd and finishes at the ball, wrapping and driving through his target. He is very smart and keeps his eyes on the ball to track and attack and rarely makes mental mistakes, which is a result of his high football IQ and preparation skills.
WEAKNESSES: Isn't always fundamentally consistent as a tackler, at times opting to throw himself at his target or drop his head on contact. Missed time in 2011 with a dislocated elbow.
COMPARES TO: Lavonte David, LB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Like David, Mosley's combination of toughness, elite instincts and superb athleticism offer the versatility of lining up inside or out, and have enabled him to be one of the nation's top all-around linebackers.
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The leader of the Crimson Tide's suffocating defense, Mosley is highly thought of among the scouting community and could end up as a top 10 pick in May. Mosley is as well-rounded and disciplined a linebacker as this draft class has to offer.
His 107 tackles in 2012 were the second-highest total by an Alabama linebacker in the past 25 years (DeMeco Ryans had 126 in 2003) and 48 more than the next Tide defender last season (fellow inside linebacker Trey DePriest). Mosley also recorded eight tackles for loss, four sacks and two interceptions.
Tough and athletic, with the keenest instincts of any linebacker I've scouted since Lofa Tatupu, Mosley is constantly around the ball and is often making big plays as a result. (11/14/13)
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02/20/14 - 2014 NFL Draft Scout Pre-Combine Top 64 Prospects: 16. C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama, 6-2, 232, 4.65, 1...Leader of the Crimson Tide's suffocating defense, Mosley is highly regarded in the scouting community and could end up as a top 10 pick in May. Says NFLDraftScout.com senior analyst Rob Rang: "Tough and athletic, with the keenest instincts of any linebacker I've scouted since Lofa Tatupu, Mosley is constantly around the ball and is often making big plays as a result." - Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014cmosley.php
Sources have told WalterFootball.com that Mosley's tape was better as a junior. During his senior year, Alabama had him handling all the checks and audibles. That slowed down Mosley and he didn't play as free.
Mosley is ready to plug and play in the NFL. He is a well-rounded defender who is good against the pass and the run. Mosley is excellent in pass coverage. He covers a lot of ground in zone, gets deep in his drop and has the potential to cover tight ends or backs in man coverage. An underrated skill that Mosley has is blitzing ability. He didn't get a lot of opportunities in college, but when he did blitz, he was very effective at pressuring the quarterback. Mosley's pass defending is a real strength and he should be an asset in pass coverage.
Mosley developed his run defense while at Alabama and was very solid in his senior year as an every-down player. He is instinctive with a nose for the ball. Mosley is reliable tackler and has improved his ability to get off blocks.
Mosley is also versatile. He could be an inside linebacker in a 3-4 defense or an outside linebacker in a 4-3. Either system would work well for him.
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I absolutely disagree with CBS, yes. I don't think he has very good sideline to sideline quickness. When he has a gaping hole in front of him, he can sometimes make the play, but he his hits do not drive people backwards. I think he's gifted at making "the DQ tackle", but getting TFL is going to be tough for him. I also believe his pass coverage is not a skill that will easily translate to the NFL. He's going to be athletically overmatched and he'll have a tough time keeping up with pass catching TE's.
He is a smart player and he's definitely got some savvy to his game. But he doesn't scream impact player to me, not at all. He's a guy I'd be ok with getting in the 3rd round, but in the 1st, I'd be very disappointed.
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For me, the biggest issue I had with DQ is that while he had speed, he could not get off a block to save his life.
If this is a trait that Mosely shares, then I would share your concerns about drafting him.
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Hey, I liked that picture, I was really proud of it.. 
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I will.
I've been very vocal about my thoughts on Bridgewater, and I love to gamble. I'm down lol.
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IMO Teddy Bridgewater is going to have issues in the NFL. He has already admitted he needs to wear gloves to be more accurate. He is using the excuse for his accuracy issues in his pro day.
If that's the case why didn't he wear the gloves in his pro day? This alone shows me he makes poor decisions. He could be a head case if he thinks wearing gloves is that big of a factor. I have that uneasy feeling he's going to be the biggest bust at QB. especially if he is expected to start right away. I don't think he's NFL ready.
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IMO Teddy Bridgewater is going to have issues in the NFL. He has already admitted he needs to wear gloves to be more accurate. He is using the excuse for his accuracy issues in his pro day.
If that's the case why didn't he wear the gloves in his pro day? This alone shows me he makes poor decisions. He could be a head case if he thinks wearing gloves is that big of a factor. I have that uneasy feeling he's going to be the biggest bust at QB. especially if he is expected to start right away. I don't think he's NFL ready.
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IMO Teddy Bridgewater is going to have issues in the NFL. He has already admitted he needs to wear gloves to be more accurate. He is using the excuse for his accuracy issues in his pro day.
If that's the case why didn't he wear the gloves in his pro day? This alone shows me he makes poor decisions. He could be a head case if he thinks wearing gloves is that big of a factor. I have that uneasy feeling he's going to be the biggest bust at QB. especially if he is expected to start right away. I don't think he's NFL ready.
lol, wow
What do you think about the gloves? Sounds strange that a QB has an issue throwing when not wearing gloves vs. wearing them right? Normaly I would think it's the other way around. Potential yes.....potential head case. 
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