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There isnt as much difference as one would think.
I am calling you out on that one. You might say this again:
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but, that is the chance I will take.
There is absolutely no comparison between Teddy's arm and Detmer's. There is no comparison between Teddy's arm and Colt's.
You are making things up. You have a good football eye, but when it comes to QBs, you have been wrong over and over. That's okay, but please, stop making crap up.
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Translation: I really haven't watched him, but I am not going to do any research because it might make me change my opinion and that is unacceptable.
No, more like we had this exact same conversation in early December and unlike you I don't like being a broken record.
Take your condescending attitude elsewhere. You know damn well you remember our Bridgewater conversation.
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Sorry, I just don't remember you giving any solid proof other than your opinion. I have provided videos, pictures, articles, real breakdowns, etc. You have provided your opinon.
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but when it comes to QBs, you have been wrong over and over.
Unlike you who is always right about QB's? Like DA and Charlie Frye for instance? We ALL make mistakes when it comes to QB's. You and I both thought Jimmy Clausen would be a good pick. Boy were we both wrong. I seem to recall neither of us thought much of Cam Newton... Oops. Don't make out like you're infallible when it comes to judging QB's. NO one is.
Teddy Bridgewater may or may not be a success in the NFL. If we take him and he flops are you going to blame Farmer later for making the pick? Blame the coach for his lack of success? Blame the line, receivers etc.?
There IS no sure thing QB this year. Andrew Luck type players come around once in a generation if that. Otherwise, it's ALL a crap shoot. Now, that doesn't mean I won't get behind the Bridgewater pick if that's the way we go. But it's still a risk. FAR from a sure thing. You're absolutely certain he is ready to step in and start for this team at a high level? Be the face of this franchise for the next ten years?
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We ALL make mistakes when it comes to QB's.
Aint that the truth. I wanted Clausen in the 2nd too.
And I liked Brady Quinn where we got him when we got him. I thought we picked Weeden a bit early, but felt he was more prepared than Tannehill (mighta been right about that, but he still wasn't prepared at all)
Heck I liked Tannehill too. Didn't like Newton (like you) too.
But it's easy to remember the things we were right on. I do remember last year before the season started, right after Chip Kelly arrived in Philly, I wanted us to trade a 2nd round pick for Nick Foles. So I picked that right 
Agreed though, there's gotta be a science to choosing the right QB, but figuring that out. Who knows. Heck, Gruden and Herm Edwards and all the analysts thought that Colt would be an average NFL QB. "Most NFL ready" they said. Is Colt even in the NFL anymore? He couldn't figure out how to lead his receivers.......
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I liked Cam Newton.
I liked Clausen.
Hated Blaine Gabbert when there was a lot on this board who loved him for whatever reason.
Hated Matt Ryan
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I liked Newton, and really wanted no part of Clausen.
I really didn't have an opinion on Gabbert or Ryan.
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I liked Newton, and really wanted no part of Clausen.
I really didn't have an opinion on Gabbert or Ryan.
Didn't like Clausen, Newton was a physical speciman but I wondered how he would do in the NFL.. Gabbert and Ryan, I'm like you, no opinion
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I went through the last few drafts to take a look see. Guys I "Liked" some didn;t pan out. Guys I wasn't sure on, did pan out.
Guys that I had an absolute opinion on, Loved or Hated were very accurate.
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Grossi has us passing on Bridgewater at 26 for Ryan Shazier. As a buckeye fan.....that's a disaster.
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=30391
Normally I agree with Grossi on "The state of the Browns" but his draft stuff is horrible.
While I think there are questions about all the QB prospects this year, I don't see Bridgewater dropping past 26. I really doubt he makes it past 10. And if a miracle did occur and he was there at 26 I would hope Farmer would literally RUN to the podium to select him. Grossi is off his game on that one for sure.....
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Grossi has us passing on Bridgewater at 26 for Ryan Shazier. As a buckeye fan.....that's a disaster.
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=30391
Normally I agree with Grossi on "The state of the Browns" but his draft stuff is horrible.
Honestly, I'm shocked Bridgewater even drops to 26. I know he doesn't take trades into consideration but if that board falls that way early on, someone will move up to grab Bridgewater.
I will say it is very interesting to see more and more writers, analysts, etc. tie Bortles to the #1 overall pick. Almost everyone is putting him to the Texans. Not sure if it is gonna happen but it is picking up quite a bit of steam.
Another thing that is interesting is seeing teams up at the top of the draft hedging their QB situation.
1. Schaub traded to the Raiders w/ rumors that we were interested.
2. Henne gets an extension with the Jaguars.
3. Our coaches continuously point out how much we like Hoyer.
I wonder if this is an indictment on the perceived value of the QB talent??
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Nah..... There's still over a month for them to keep changing mock drafts. They change them all the time and for no really good reasons. It's their job.  I mean if they didn't, who would keep reading and looking at their mocks? What would the point be? These QB's are the exact same QB's that finished the season. Nothing has or will really change that. How they play the game decides their draft stock. All the rest of it is fan hype and media fodder.
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Unlike you who is always right about QB's? Like DA and Charlie Frye for instance? We ALL make mistakes when it comes to QB's. You and I both thought Jimmy Clausen would be a good pick. Boy were we both wrong. I seem to recall neither of us thought much of Cam Newton... Oops. Don't make out like you're infallible when it comes to judging QB's. NO one is.
No, I haven't always been right. Never said I was. If I did, please show me where I said that. I said his track record wasn't very good.
Now, let's get to what you said:
DA? I never said he was the man. I always said he was better than BQ. That is a big difference. I said that DA's skills and first 15 games w/the Browns earned him another shot. When he melted down emotionally, I soured on him. And I sure as heck never said we should draft DA.
Frye? I wanted Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers in that draft. I never once lobbied for Frye in that draft.
Clauson? Yes, you are right. I wanted us to draft him. I was obviously dead wrong. I do think that I have mentioned that several times throughout this year while discussing QBs, so why are you pointing it out?
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that doesn't mean I won't get behind the Bridgewater pick if that's the way we go. But it's still a risk. FAR from a sure thing. You're absolutely certain he is ready to step in and start for this team at a high level? Be the face of this franchise for the next ten years?
No, I am not absolutely certain. However, I haven't studied a class of qbs like this year's class in a long time. You may remember, even though you conveniently forgot to mention it, that I NEVER liked Weeden. You may even remember all the arguments that I had w/people this past off season about how much Weeden would improve because of Norv. Of course, you failed to bring that up.
In fact, you failed to bring up a lot of the past history. Nice attempt at being objective.
Now, do we really wanna bring up your record in evaluating QB's?
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I liked Alex Smith also but there was concerns over arm strength even with those concerns, I thought he was gonna be a pro bowler. I doubted rogers due to Tedford. The guy put out QBs that looked perfect and were football dumb, I was fearful rogers would be the same.
I knew just enough to be a dumb ass evaluating Rogers. matt Ryan I never saw anything special thought he was a mid 2nd rounder. Havent seen much to change that opinion to be honest. Ithink he is Dalton.
I still like Bridgewater but the arm he displayed on his proday was as bad as any QB I have ever seen. The rumors of a wrist injury is starting to get louder. even with his questionable arm, put him in a dome or in florida and he will be good.
I like Carr but he is gonna need atleast a year maybe 2 to become consistent from the waist down with those lower body mechanics and footwork.
Manziel imho is just the wildcard. I dont think anyone will draft him top 10 but I would hate to see us pass on him.
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Bridgewater...The rumors of a wrist injury is starting to get louder...
Ouch, that could explain a few things. Any factual info, Mourg, or simply rumors?
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Just rumors that started up about 2 weeks before his workout and has resurfaced and magnified the last couple of weeks. I dont know if people were picking up on the broke wrist he had a couple years ago as I think that was on his nonthrowing hand.
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Thanks. This may be something to keep an eye (ear?) on...
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How so?
If true, would that make you more skeptical of drafting him or less skeptical?
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Wrist injury...Rumor?
Obviously BB doing a Don Shula move hoping Teddy drops all they way to him so he can groom his Brady replacement...possibly even trading Brady for a couple of 1st round picks at the Eve of his career.
After all you got a Bozo like Grossi having us pass up Teddy at #26 
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Once again the media coverage to me is just comical. Draft analysts changing their minds based upon a scripted pro day? Really?
Two, three sometimes four years of game film and you change your mind from a pro day? That's like watching a hitter in batting practice. "Man that guy can sure hit the ball a long way".
Fortunately I do not think that Ray Farmer or Pettine will fall into that trap. I think they will stay true to the game film and their personal evaluation.
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Again I still think we are a team of destiny. I cannot remember a GM of ours nor most teams that put so much of himself into looking at these QBs...going to their games and practices during the football season. Not on purpose but how fate has it working in our favor.
Hopefully this will finally translate that we get this QB thing done once and for all!
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How so?
Why did Bridgewater not use a glove on his "pro-day"? Was it to deflect attention from an expected sub-par performance due to a known injury? If, and I say IF, true, then it is cause for concern. (And yes, it would make me slightly more skeptical)...
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Or, you could look at it the other way and see it as an excuse for a poor Pro Day. Wrist injuries heal.
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vers...no doubt Bridgewater is dropping on some draft boards...but there is no way of knowing if these draft boards are legit. Here is an article talking about his drop.. web page
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He said he started wearing the glove at Louisville do to the cold weather. He trained in his home town of Miami and the weather was good enough that he didn't need to train with a glove, so he didn't wear the glove on his Pro-Day because he didn't in practice.
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He said he started wearing the glove at Louisville do to the cold weather. He trained in his home town of Miami and the weather was good enough that he didn't need to train with a glove, so he didn't wear the glove on his Pro-Day because he didn't in practice.
It is not my intention to escalate what may be a non-issue. However, does he wear the glove in (all) games/conditions? Was not wearing the glove at his "pro-day" an anomoly...or not? If he, in his own opinion, was throwing poorly that day, why did he not put the glove back on? A lot of questions that may/may not be significant at this point...
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i'm a big fan of bridewater but if you have watched his games then you know he has a penchant for throwing airballs at times. he also doesn't really put a ton of zip on his balls so they can tend to flutter around sometimes. don't think its often enough to be concerning but it does happen.
it's his brains that make him special not his arm.
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I before he wore the glove every game last season. It was an anomaly. He might have not had a glove with him, which is most likely.
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Vers...no doubt Bridgewater is dropping on some draft boards.
You're right MAC...whose draft boards.
I'm telling you dawgs, most NFL teams (except the ones with a new GM and not ours as he was here all along) have their boards around 95% done and the 5% is the tail end of the draft as well as UDFA possibles that are getting solidified.
These so called draft experts, they for the most part will be fairly accurate in the top 10 (some years) and then it just starts going all over the place.
Their Mocks are well named as they are a true MOCKERY. However what I do like is their Player Rankings of the top 50 players. Cause if you follow the draft and cross off someone on their overall ranking. When you reach 50 most will have at least 40 of them crossed off.
Go look at a drafts sites overall ranking....that will be so much closer to the actual draft than any rankings they do. The only ones that jump up from those rankings are QBs...they might have one 7 overall but he could be the Overall #1 pick cause a team without a franchise QB will deem him worth at a higher value. But all the positional players will probably fall close to the order they show.
What these BOZO draft nicks do is they got to represent every team - I've done it, most have done a mock. You look at the teams needs and then pick the best player for that NEED. But the real draft doesn't work that way. For the most part it is BPA for a high % of the teams. That is why they participate in FA to take away any urgent needs so that they can as close to BPA for their team Systems as possible!
So what Dawgs should be doing is Copy and paste Draft Sites Overall rankings of the players. That will be SO MUCH MORE ACCURATE come draft day!
I've been doing it for years. I copy (usually) Great Blue North Overall rankings, come draft day they go over 300. I use that as my cross off guide. because of the Letter Head and stuff the first page usually go to 28....Come 2nd round there might be 2 guys sticking out like sore thumbs and you start wondering WHY? They will go real quick and that first page is completed and set aside.
Oddly usually the Pats are the team I got to search page 3 or 4 for their Late First round pick.
But look at sites Overall rankings of the players that is better than any MOCK that will come out.
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Here as stated is the top 40 from the site I choose to use. QBs will move up a lot. Big board might change come draft day as we are 4 weeks + away. But this is better than any Mock.
*Javedon Clowney DE South Carolina (X)
*Greg Robinson OT Auburn
*Sammie Watkins WR Clemson
Khalil Mack LB Buffalo
Jake Matthews OT Texas A&M
*Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville
*Mike Evans WR Texas A&M
*Blake Bortles QB Central Florida
Anthony Barr LB UCLA
Taylor Lewan OT Michigan
*Johnny Manziel QB Texas A&M
*Eric Ebron TE North Carolina
Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh
Justin Gilbert CB Oklahoma State
CJ Mosely LB Alabama
Zach Martin OT Notre Dame (OG)
Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
*Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix FS Alabama (O)
Derek Carr QB Fresno State
*Kony Ealy DE Missouri
*Calvin Pryor FS Louisville
Louis Nix DT Notre Dame (X)
*Marqise Lee WR Southern California (X)
*Timmie Jernigan DT Florida State
*Brandin Cooks WR Oregon State
*Stephen Tuitt DE Notre Dame (X)
*Ryan Shazier LB Ohio State
Jason Verrett CB TCU
Ra'Shede Hageman DT Minnesota (O)
Dee Ford OLB Auburn
*Xavier Su'a-Filo OG UCLA
Kyle Van Noy LB BYU
*Kelvin Benjamin WR Florida State
*Bradley Roby CB Ohio State (O)
*Odell Beckham WR LSU
*Cyrus Kouandjio OT Alabama
*Jace Amaro TE Texas Tech
Austin Seferin-Jenkins TE Washington (O)
*Scott Crichton DE Oregon State
Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
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The fallacy of Draft and Mock drafts....
You have 32 teams, each with different needs and different philosophies so there is going to be variance.
My feeling is if the Draft Board is +/- 15 percent, than it is pretty close, but players rise and fall, it happens every year.
Mock Drafts are along the same line, The first 10 or so picks can be narrowed down fairly easily but by the end of the first round it is more chaotic, with some projected third rounders being taken.
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Didn't like Bridgewater after the Cincy game and his Pro Day seals it.
His Pro Day he looked nervous and confused and threw wobbly passes throughout. Don't care bout the why. Too much risk. I want a big school QB who is seasoned on the big stage.
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Did the same thing for me...at least in consideration of the #4 overall pick.
I'd take him late 1st, but no way at #4 overall...and that goes for every QB in this draft IMO.
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I get it.....but why did Teddy choke his pro-day? Those are usually very orchestrated events.
I agree, Johnny's was as well, but he showed up in pads and preformed like a rock star.
I don't dislike Ted, but it would make it a lot easier to like him more had be not looked like a chump who has never had scouts watching him.
I do feel for the kid. He opts out of the combine stuff for the most part to show off at his pro daym then goes out and stinks up the joint.
Maybe we can talk conspiracy.....maybe he did this on purpose because he doesn't want to go to a top 3-10 pick. 
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