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We have a second amendment problem as well, if you have not noticed.

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We still only have a few cases of voter fraud found. Like it's honestly in the teens or lower per year. That said, if we want to do a voter ID thing then it should be the Government's job to pay for the ID and the ID's needed to attain an ID.

Also a poll tax in today's world is just laughable.

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We have a second amendment problem as well, if you have not noticed.

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Yes we do. Our government keeps trying to circumvent it and convince the populace it's no longer needed. We have the 2nd Amendment for a couple reasons.
First of all, the British would take away the Colonists' weapons. An unarmed populace is a compliant populace.
Secondly, the people of this country were expected to be the army and ready to be called up when needed.
Lastly, if our government suddenly becomes overbearing and no longer listens to the people, we have a means of removing the government.

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We have a second amendment problem as well, if you have not noticed.

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Yes we do. Our government keeps trying to circumvent it and convince the populace it's no longer needed. We have the 2nd Amendment for a couple reasons.
First of all, the British would take away the Colonists' weapons. An unarmed populace is a compliant populace.
Secondly, the people of this country were expected to be the army and ready to be called up when needed.
Lastly, if our government suddenly becomes overbearing and no longer listens to the people, we have a means of removing the government.

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"overbearing and no longer listens to the people", isn't that happening now?

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We have a second amendment problem as well, if you have not noticed.

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Yes we do. Our government keeps trying to circumvent it and convince the populace it's no longer needed. We have the 2nd Amendment for a couple reasons.
First of all, the British would take away the Colonists' weapons. An unarmed populace is a compliant populace.
Secondly, the people of this country were expected to be the army and ready to be called up when needed.
Lastly, if our government suddenly becomes overbearing and no longer listens to the people, we have a means of removing the government.

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"overbearing and no longer listens to the people", isn't that happening now?

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It's been happening for the last 30 years or more..

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We have a second amendment problem as well, if you have not noticed.

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Yes we do. Our government keeps trying to circumvent it and convince the populace it's no longer needed. We have the 2nd Amendment for a couple reasons.
First of all, the British would take away the Colonists' weapons. An unarmed populace is a compliant populace.
Secondly, the people of this country were expected to be the army and ready to be called up when needed.
Lastly, if our government suddenly becomes overbearing and no longer listens to the people, we have a means of removing the government.

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"overbearing and no longer listens to the people", isn't that happening now?

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It's been happening for the last 30 years or more..

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That's a shame, but so true.

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We have a second amendment problem as well, if you have not noticed.

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Yes we do. Our government keeps trying to circumvent it and convince the populace it's no longer needed. We have the 2nd Amendment for a couple reasons.
First of all, the British would take away the Colonists' weapons. An unarmed populace is a compliant populace.
Secondly, the people of this country were expected to be the army and ready to be called up when needed.
Lastly, if our government suddenly becomes overbearing and no longer listens to the people, we have a means of removing the government.

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"overbearing and no longer listens to the people", isn't that happening now?

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It's been happening for the last 30 years or more..

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That's a shame, but so true.

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To be fair, you don't really have a choice in the matter. Your given two candidates to choose from with a viable shot to win an election and 5 others who you will be laughed at if you say you voted for them.

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You want a test to be able to vote?

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You want a test to be able to vote?

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oh, so tempting.....

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http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/

From 2000 to 2012 there have only been 663 incidents of voter fraud.

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You want a test to be able to vote?

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You want a test to be able to vote?

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Why not? You need to test to drive, to graduate from grade school, Middle school, High School, College and grad school. Companies are now running background checks and drug screening (many have for years, but now it's more so than ever) to get a job.

Companies are even testing folks for drafting and design positions. they sit them down in front of a work station and have them draw something using whatever CAD system they need.

Programmers are tested now more than ever before. hell, if you want a job as a secretary, you gotta take a typing test, filing test etc.

I mean, if a job required manual dexterity, you may have to take that kinda test.

But we let almost anyone vote, and in some cases, as many times as they want to.

So yeah, why not test them

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No. Never.

Being a citizen is your test (unless you're one of those "undocumented workers", then apparently you get to vote, too).





I just wish we'd require ID's to vote... you have to register, right? What's the point in requiring registration if no efforts are made to validate the registrations?

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No. Never.

Being a citizen is your test (unless you're one of those "undocumented workers", then apparently you get to vote, too).





I just wish we'd require ID's to vote... you have to register, right? What's the point in requiring registration if no efforts are made to validate the registrations?

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I don't understand this at all - the fact that some can vote without showing i.d. Where are these places, and what the hell is the problem with those areas?


When I walk in to vote, the ladies running the place greet me by name - then ask for my i.d. I know I live in a rural area, but why isn't it like that everywhere? (the need for an i.d. part)

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No. Never.

Being a citizen is your test (unless you're one of those "undocumented workers", then apparently you get to vote, too).





I just wish we'd require ID's to vote... you have to register, right? What's the point in requiring registration if no efforts are made to validate the registrations?

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I don't understand this at all - the fact that some can vote without showing i.d. Where are these places, and what the hell is the problem with those areas?


When I walk in to vote, the ladies running the place greet me by name - then ask for my i.d. I know I live in a rural area, but why isn't it like that everywhere? (the need for an i.d. part)

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Because A) This isn't 1960's Dixie B) Voting is a right while those aren't.

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Nope. When I turned 18, I was living in Ohio and was registered to vote there. Later on, I moved to Colorado and registered to vote there. Apparently I am still registered in Ohio as well. On the sign in list, my name was always right below my dads' name. Every year, my dad tells me it's still there. If I wanted to, I could mail in a ballot in Colorado and then go to Ohio for election day and fill out a ballot there. Since they don't check id, they won't see I don't live in Ohio any more.

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You do need an ID in all states. It just doesn't have to be your driver's license.

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The deal is that Government sanctioned ID's can be hard to come by with the rules needed to acquire it and with the cost. And truthfully it's a thinly veiled attempt to suppress minority voters who tend to vote Democrat. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monk...t-voting/?clsrd

There's a good piece about it.

I also remember that a Pennsylvania lawmaker said "With this law [Voter ID] Romney will win Pennsylvania."

And that's where the real problem arises. This is just a thinly veiled attempt at voter suppression. I'm not against voter ID laws, especially since they can prove to be very useful if used correctly. I'm just not sure we'll see them used correctly.

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The deal is that Government sanctioned ID's can be hard to come by with the rules needed to acquire it and with the cost. And truthfully it's a thinly veiled attempt to suppress minority voters who tend to vote Democrat.

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The deal is that Government sanctioned ID's can be hard to come by with the rules needed to acquire it and with the cost. And truthfully it's a thinly veiled attempt to suppress minority voters who tend to vote Democrat.

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If you can prove you're a citizen, with your birth certificate, SSN, and picture ID, you should be able to register to vote. I took one of my 18yo kids to register, and they didn't even ask for ID.

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The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.
More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.
1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.
Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.
More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20. By comparison, the notorious poll tax — outlawed during the civil rights era — cost $10.64 in current dollars.

The result is plain: Voter ID laws will make it harder for hundreds of thousands of poor Americans to vote. They place a serious burden on a core constitutional right that should be universally available to every American citizen.

This November, restrictive voter ID states will provide 127 electoral votes — nearly half of the 270 needed to win the presidency. Therefore, the ability of eligible citizens without photo ID to obtain one could have a major influence on the outcome of the 2012 election.

http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

There's the article in full. I hope that answers your questions.

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The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.
More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.
1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.
Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.
More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20. By comparison, the notorious poll tax — outlawed during the civil rights era — cost $10.64 in current dollars.

The result is plain: Voter ID laws will make it harder for hundreds of thousands of poor Americans to vote. They place a serious burden on a core constitutional right that should be universally available to every American citizen.

This November, restrictive voter ID states will provide 127 electoral votes — nearly half of the 270 needed to win the presidency. Therefore, the ability of eligible citizens without photo ID to obtain one could have a major influence on the outcome of the 2012 election.

http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

There's the article in full. I hope that answers your questions.

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