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There's a difference between voting and going to the DMV. Maybe not for people like you (feel free to read into that statement however you see fit), but there is a real difference there.
Also, it came from the House Majority leader of the Pennsylvania who is a Republican.
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A photo I.D. is not required to work. Actually, you can use a school ID to get a job.
However, let's talk about how to change these limitations (for you "excuses") into no more? I think using an appointment only schedule to the DMV is the best bet. Provide free ID cards, and transportation. That's probably the best way to do. Everyone hates the lines in a DMV, an appointment style setting would probably be for the best.
You need 2 forms of ID to complete the Form I-9, which proves your right to work in the US.
http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-9.pdf
The types of ID accepted are at the bottom of the form.If you use a school ID, it has to be a photo school ID.
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However, at the current time it's just trying to make voting hard for people who vote Democrat.
I hate to be so blunt but given all of the information here, it appears you're saying that people that are too lazy or ignorant to do something as simple as obtaining an inexpensive ID are democrats.....and that it's worth removing the most effective safeguard against voter fraud to get those votes. The people who fought and died for the right to vote must be turning in their graves.
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That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying there are obstacles in the way of getting people ID's.
Also, I hate to be for voter fraud (all 600 cases per decade), but why are you for preempting the low case of voter fraud, but not gun violence that's wide spread? There's a lot more cases of gun violence per day than there is per a year of voting. I'm not for gun control by any means, but I think it just needs to be said.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to, but I've never pre empted gun violence. I fully recognize that gun crime is a serious problem in this country. That's why I choose to carry one myself in order to defend me and my loved ones in the event that we find ourselves a target of these criminals.
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"and that it's worth removing the most effective safeguard against voter fraud to get those votes."
The most effective safeguard against gun deaths are banning all guns. I'm not sure why you're trying to have a pre-emptive strike about voting and not other crimes that happen a lot more frequently and at a higher stake. It seems like you and your party are trying to disenfranchise Democrat voters to better support Republican candidates. It makes sense, look at the South before the Voting Rights Act, completely Democrat ran due to the restrictions they put upon voting. It beats the hell out of Gerrymandering.
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However, at the current time it's just trying to make voting hard for people who vote Democrat.
I hate to be so blunt but given all of the information here, it appears you're saying that people that are too lazy or ignorant to do something as simple as obtaining an inexpensive ID are democrats.....and that it's worth removing the most effective safeguard against voter fraud to get those votes. The people who fought and died for the right to vote must be turning in their graves.
Who is pushing to have illegal immigrants legal and no voter ID? Democrats?
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I hate derailing this thread more than it already has been, but that is simply not true. Maybe that's possible in a society that didn't have any guns to begin with, but the cat has been out of the bag in our country for hundreds of years. Plus, not sure if you noticed, but a lot of the people who commit gun violence are not exactly ones who follow the law.
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I hate derailing this thread more than it already has been, but that is simply not true. Maybe that's possible in a society that didn't have any guns to begin with, but the cat has been out of the bag in our country for hundreds of years. Plus, not sure if you noticed, but a lot of the people who commit gun violence are not exactly ones who follow the law.
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"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty."
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A photo I.D. is not required to work. Actually, you can use a school ID to get a job.
However, let's talk about how to change these limitations (for you "excuses") into no more? I think using an appointment only schedule to the DMV is the best bet. Provide free ID cards, and transportation. That's probably the best way to do. Everyone hates the lines in a DMV, an appointment style setting would probably be for the best.
You need 2 forms of ID to complete the Form I-9, which proves your right to work in the US.
http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-9.pdf
The types of ID accepted are at the bottom of the form.If you use a school ID, it has to be a photo school ID.
Care to address this CHS? I was going to mention it as well. We've got logic in the retail store system that I work on that will not even allow the user to log in if the I-9 is not completed. ID's are needed to do this.
So lazy, non-working, non-job seekers are the ones that are also too lazy to go get an ID once every 4 years? Shocking. I honestly cannot get over how lazy that is. It is so mind boggling to me that I honestly cannot comprehend it.
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What's there to address? It has a combination of ways to fulfill the requirememnts and not solely based on a photo ID.
I think the funny thing here is that you guys don't want to talk about solutions. Not surprising given your political affiliations, but still funny.
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The most effective safeguard against gun deaths are banning all guns.
I hate derailing this thread more than it already has been, but that is simply not true. Maybe that's possible in a society that didn't have any guns to begin with, but the cat has been out of the bag in our country for hundreds of years. Plus, not sure if you noticed, but a lot of the people who commit gun violence are not exactly ones who follow the law.
If you take away all the guns, then there will be no guns to kill people with. This isn't brain surgery.
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Illegal Immigrants can't vote. If they show up to a precinct they'll receive a provisional ballot that is not counted as a vote and must go down to the Board of Elections and prove they are a citizen to get their vote counted. So their vote is not counted.
Yes, people with no-ID tend to vote Democrat, and we, as a nation, push people to vote.
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I hate derailing this thread more than it already has been, but that is simply not true. Maybe that's possible in a society that didn't have any guns to begin with, but the cat has been out of the bag in our country for hundreds of years. Plus, not sure if you noticed, but a lot of the people who commit gun violence are not exactly ones who follow the law.
If you take away all the guns, then there will be no guns to kill people with. This isn't brain surgery.
except guess who will still possess guns? the government agencies, cops and such.
now if you're talking like how the british police force doesn't walk around with guns either, then yea, i can see that as a positive.
the problem is the biggest government agency, the military, won't ever do that. and of course they wouldn't, because that would be dumb. but history has shown that when you have an unarmed populace, and a military, bad things happen to said populace.
i DO have a problem with gun violence, and its needs to be taken care of, but if you ban all guns, then people are just going to find other ways to kill someone.
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A photo I.D. is not required to work. Actually, you can use a school ID to get a job.
However, let's talk about how to change these limitations (for you "excuses") into no more? I think using an appointment only schedule to the DMV is the best bet. Provide free ID cards, and transportation. That's probably the best way to do. Everyone hates the lines in a DMV, an appointment style setting would probably be for the best.
Hell yeah, I'm all for free state i.d's. That way, I won't have to pay the $30 bucks or so for my drivers license. After all, I have to have it, right? Let someone else pay for it.
Also, these people that don't have cars? Well, they don't pay insurance on cars - and that damn well isn't fair that I have to pay insurance and they don't. So, insurance should be free also - or, at least make someone else pay for it.
Because voting is like driving a car. Seriously? Come on. Look, you can feign ignorance all day if I know you're just acting dumb. But I'm legitimately worried about you on this.
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I said I was against gun control in my post. I'm pointing out that if people want to be preemptive in fighting crime then that's the best way to do it and should have no problem supporting this policy if they can support Voter ID laws.
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What's there to address? It has a combination of ways to fulfill the requirememnts and not solely based on a photo ID.
I think the funny thing here is that you guys don't want to talk about solutions. Not surprising given your political affiliations, but still funny.
There isn't a problem to solve! We have made a "problem" out of nothing. I just cannot fathom why it is difficult to get an ID other than pure laziness. I would be embarrassed to even tell someone I wasn't competent enough or have enough motivation to get an ID once every 4 years. This country is lazy and getting worse.
My political affiliation, if I even have one at this point as I dislike pretty much all of them, has nothing to do with this. It is common sense, which is sorely lacking in this day and age.
If the requirements of the I-9 were required at the polls, then I would be OK without having the photo ID. Most of the I-9 documents are photo ID's, but the ones that aren't require 2 forms of documentation. I just don't find a utility bill to be an OK form of ID.
I still cannot understand why getting a photo ID is so difficult obtain and will never be convinced that it is. Off the charts laziness IMO.
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I said I was against gun control in my post. I'm pointing out that if people want to be preemptive in fighting crime then that's the best way to do it and should have no problem supporting this policy if they can support Voter ID laws.
Disagree again, but I understand now that you're trying to make an analogous point, but the two are very different.
In the impractical case of taking away all guns, you're completely stripping the populace of a right that they currently have under the Constitution. I think a lot of people would agree that this would have little to no impact, or possibly even a reverse effect, on gun violence in this country. To demonstrate this, I would point toward the states/municipalities with the most gun control compared to those with the least.
In the case of requiring voter IDs, the populace still has their Constitutional right to vote. People who want to vote would be more willing to get an ID. I also imagine it would decrease voter fraud.
Nevertheless, a comparison of the two is apples and oranges.
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If and only if everyone complies with the ban. The only thing a gun ban accomplishes is the disarming of law abiding citizens. The criminals who commit gun violence will still be armed, and the law abiding become easier targets.
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A photo I.D. is not required to work. Actually, you can use a school ID to get a job.
However, let's talk about how to change these limitations (for you "excuses") into no more? I think using an appointment only schedule to the DMV is the best bet. Provide free ID cards, and transportation. That's probably the best way to do. Everyone hates the lines in a DMV, an appointment style setting would probably be for the best.
You need 2 forms of ID to complete the Form I-9, which proves your right to work in the US.
http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-9.pdf
The types of ID accepted are at the bottom of the form.If you use a school ID, it has to be a photo school ID.
Care to address this CHS? I was going to mention it as well. We've got logic in the retail store system that I work on that will not even allow the user to log in if the I-9 is not completed. ID's are needed to do this.
So lazy, non-working, non-job seekers are the ones that are also too lazy to go get an ID once every 4 years? Shocking. I honestly cannot get over how lazy that is. It is so mind boggling to me that I honestly cannot comprehend it.
Agreed. If getting an id once every 4 years is too much work, surely getting out to vote once a year would also be too much work.
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A photo I.D. is not required to work. Actually, you can use a school ID to get a job.
However, let's talk about how to change these limitations (for you "excuses") into no more? I think using an appointment only schedule to the DMV is the best bet. Provide free ID cards, and transportation. That's probably the best way to do. Everyone hates the lines in a DMV, an appointment style setting would probably be for the best.
You need 2 forms of ID to complete the Form I-9, which proves your right to work in the US.
http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-9.pdf
The types of ID accepted are at the bottom of the form.If you use a school ID, it has to be a photo school ID.
Care to address this CHS? I was going to mention it as well. We've got logic in the retail store system that I work on that will not even allow the user to log in if the I-9 is not completed. ID's are needed to do this.
So lazy, non-working, non-job seekers are the ones that are also too lazy to go get an ID once every 4 years? Shocking. I honestly cannot get over how lazy that is. It is so mind boggling to me that I honestly cannot comprehend it.
Agreed. If getting an id once every 4 years is too much work, surely getting out to vote once a year would also be too much work.
As a citizen of the united states, I have a right to vote. Or to travel out of the country.
March 1st, I, my wife, and my daughter had to drive 14 miles to the closest post office that did passports. But first, I had to go earlier in the week to pick up the forms for each of us, as those need to be filled out ahead of time.
I then had to schedule the appointment. In the mean time, I had to round up our 3 birth certificates (certified birth certificates), and ensure that my wife and I had picture i.d. cards.
At the appointment, we spent a bit over an hour.
Oh, yeah, it was $420 for the 3 of us.
14 miles there to get the forms, 14 miles back home. 14 miles back a few days later, an hour + spent, and 14 miles back home, after writing a check for $420.
Yes, as a citizen, I have the right to travel out of the country. I just have to follow the rules in place. If I don't follow the rules, I don't get to leave the country.
As a citizen, I have the right to vote. I just have to follow the rules. If I don't follow the rules, I forfeit that right.
Getting a state i.d. is easy for those that desire one. What can you do without a state i.d. or picture i.d. of some kind? Not much anymore.
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In addition to her sight-seeing, though, Mrs. Obama also had a more serious agenda. According to the special White House website set up to promote her trip, her trip was focused “on the power and importance of education.” Accordingly, she visited Chinese schools, such as Beijing Normal School and Chengdu No. 7 High School, as well as the Stanford Center at Peking University. She also hosted a roundtable on education. Many of Mrs. Obama’s comments focused on her goal of promoting equal access to education for all. In this regard, the First Lady’s theme fits well with the passions of Peng Liyuan, who was herself just named a UNESCO Special Envoy for the Advancement of Girls’ and Women’s Education.
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Yes, people with no-ID tend to vote Democrat, and we, as a nation, push people to vote.
Its about demographics, not fraud. As I pointed out, postal ballots are an easier and less risky method to commit fraud. Demanding voter ID at the polls does nothing to stop that, it just inconveniences more Left Voters. We wouldn't want to ask the Right-Demographic to drive 10 miles and show photo ID on election day. They might stay home.
Postal voters lean Right, so utility bills are fine. We'll even e-mail the ballot. E-mail is scam proof and Fraudsters will never catch on!
In FL, you need an ID to vote in person, unless you are over age 65. Or I guess, unless you claim you are 65. No way to verify that you are the 65 year old though, because you don't need ID. Which way do seniors lean again?
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That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying there are obstacles in the way of getting people ID's.
Also, I hate to be for voter fraud (all 600 cases per decade),...
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So lazy, non-working, non-job seekers are the ones that are also too lazy to go get an ID once every 4 years? Shocking. I honestly cannot get over how lazy that is. It is so mind boggling to me that I honestly cannot comprehend it.
Meanwhile in some other countries, people literally risk their lives to vote. Here? Apparently riding a bus once every 4 years or bumming a ride is a much more major hardship than death. 
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That is also the surest way to make sure "WE THE PEOPLE" can not defend ourselves. That is 110 percent bullcrap IMO
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We still only have a few cases of voter fraud found. Like it's honestly in the teens or lower per year.
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BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff
April 4, 2014 9:30 am
State elections officials in North Carolina have uncovered hundreds of cases of potential voter fraud, FoxNews.com reports. The officials identified thousands of registered voters with the same personal information as voters who voted in other states in 2012.
Elections Director Kim Strach told state lawmakers at an oversight hearing Wednesday that her staff has identified 765 registered North Carolina voters who appear to have cast ballots in two states during the 2012 presidential election.
Strach said the first names, last names, birthdates and last four digits of their Social Security numbers appear to match information for voters in another state. Each case will now be investigated to determine whether voter fraud occurred.
Investigators are looking at each individual case.
Additionally, election officials discovered 81 residents who died before election day but cast a ballot nonetheless.
Elections officials are required by North Carolina state law to check information for voters against a database containing 101 million voters in 28 states.
The cross-check found listings for 35,570 North Carolina voters whose first names, last names and dates of birth match those of voters who voted in other states. However, in those cases middle names and Social Security numbers were not matched.
The analysis also found 155,692 registered North Carolina voters whose information matched voters registered in other states but who most recently registered or voted elsewhere. Strach said those were most likely voters who moved out of state without notifying their local boards of elections.
Criminal prosecutions for voter fraud are unlikely. Only 11 people have been prosecuted following the 2010 election on allegations of double voting due to similar database checks in 15 states.
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You're right. I never said it was non-existent, I just said it was very small.
No vote illegally cast is a small problem. That is someone robbing the rest of us of our voice in our government.
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This is funny because my co-worker/best buddy is from North Carolina, and he talks about this being a historic problem in his state. Local elections especially (where, often, less people vote, so every single vote matters more), lol. Look at the article, and there it is. North Carolina.
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Really? 10 votes across the country per year is what's robbing the people of their voice? It's not the PACs and SuperPACs? Just those 10 votes? Alright, then.
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Really? 10 votes across the country per year is what's robbing the people of their voice? It's not the PACs and SuperPACs? Just those 10 votes? Alright, then.
Tell me about it.
This country is run by special interest groups and lobbyists. And that scares the heck out of me. I mean it's a real problem. People are paying for policy, and unfortunately a large part of the country is apathetic to what our government does or uniformed. Something needs to be done, whether it's amending the constitution or what. But the lobbyist's control over Washington needs to stop.
Still, I'm always back and forth on amping up voter ID laws. I understand it's hard for some people to get government ID's, but I also would like to know that we're doing everything we can to fight voter fraud.
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Really? 10 votes across the country per year is what's robbing the people of their voice? It's not the PACs and SuperPACs? Just those 10 votes? Alright, then.
10? You must not have read the story I posted.
Elections Director Kim Strach told state lawmakers at an oversight hearing Wednesday that her staff has identified 765 registered North Carolina voters who appear to have cast ballots in two states during the 2012 presidential election.
Additionally, election officials discovered 81 residents who died before election day but cast a ballot nonetheless.
That's far more than 10, and those are the one's they know of. You're talking convictions. I'm talking about the amount of vote stealing that never gets convicted. There is far more of it than most people believe, and voter ID is the first step in stopping it.
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