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its not about the gang affiliation?
bro, you need to start from page one of this thread and see all the comments AND articles of people posting that very thing.
stop lying and twisting the topic. thats ALL this was. late meetings and distractions? what NFL team DOESN'T have that? if its not desean jackson its going to be another player.
nobody said nothing about about african american. we said where he's FROM.
stop. freaking. lying. and putting words in our mouth. your entire post was a complete joke.
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I am not lying about squat, you freaking racial hypocrite.
I have said from the beginning that I don't want a guy who is a distraction on our young team. I could care less about race. It's guys like you who are making it about race. I'm tired of it being so one-sided. I'm tired of whites always being called racists while it's just the opposite in most cases.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT RACE!!! SO SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT!!!
It is about a guy being such a turd that a team released him because of it. Did they release every black player? I'm sick of that freaking excuse.
I do NOT want a guy who misses meetings, is late for other meetings, argues w/coaches, and pouts..................influencing are younger players. It's NOT because he is black. It is because he is a freaking jerk.
Now, take your racially motivated argument out of here and shove it up your butt!!!!
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you're pathetic.
i just said its not about race. 70 percent of the players in the NFL are black. you need to learn how to read you illiterate ..
i specifically said its where he is FROM. he is from LA, gangland capital of the US. its all about his gang affiliation.
you are seriously stupid. this has NOTHING to do with race. wow, are you do that freaking dumb? must be that south carolina education for you.
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I am not pathetic, dumb, or stupid.
I have said from the beginning that I do not want the guy because of how his behavior would negatively influence our young team.
I never once mentioned race until you, Guard, and cfrs did.
I'm sick of people like you always throwing the race card around. Who the hell mentioned race before you did? Up yours w/your racial BS.
Btw---------bet you would not call me stupid, pathetic, and dumb to my face.
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Woh there. Let's just take a step back here and let bygones be bygones.
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i'm already drunk as hell. when somebody starts calling me a racial hypocrite when thats not even the argument, i'm going to freaking snap. i ain't going to apologize for it either. he had it coming.
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Vers generally I respect your football knowledge. But just because you want to vent your spleen doesn't mean that I will be shouted down by your tantrum. You do this with other people all the time. Your way of dealing with opposing points of view is well documented. I must have hit a sore spot with you although I never had you in mind when I wrote what I wrote.
There is page after page here of wild speculation about Jackson being involved in criminal gang activity. When it was finally put to rest publicly by the police I felt it deserved to be acknowledge. Not one person who was swallowing all of the gang involvement bs on this guy was man enough to step up and admit there was nothing to it as stated by the only authority in a real position to make that claim.
You, Vers, talk all the time about when you, Vers, make a mistake and the evidence shows that you, Vers, made the mistake how you step up and admit it. A mistake was made and I decided that it needed to be brought to light. I didn't ask for your permission because I don't need your permission. Its just that simple. Tonight you decided that some how you are the only person with moral authority on this subject. Please...
I never said once he deserved a pass. He very well could be a locker room cancer but what we KNOW is that he isn't the subject of any criminal investigation. What I said was acknowledge that he was pre-judged, other wise known as prejudice.
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See, we cannot even have a thread about desean. Imagine if he were on the team. ( this is just to lighten the tone here  )
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That was actually funny. 
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i'm already drunk as hell. when somebody starts calling me a racial hypocrite when thats not even the argument, i'm going to freaking snap. i ain't going to apologize for it either. he had it coming.
swish...actually, vers called you a "freaking racial hypocrite".
I missed your response to that comment...I'm sure it was a good one since you deleted it.. that deserved a response, imo.
As for admitting you were PWI (posting while intoxicated), just a guess on my part, but you probably weren't the only one who was drunk as hell.
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To re-focus, the locker room chemistry issues are enough for me. If the gangland stuff proves out (either way, I emphasize!), then that should be part of the discussions and decision-making. There is proof in the pudding with his release without a trade IMO. He can play, and he can disrupt. I wish I had more info from the releasing team. I pass. Cost and whatever issues. 
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._special-reportHey Mary Kay: Will the Browns pursue receiver DeSean Jackson? -- Kasten Rini, Lakewood, Ohio Hey Kasten: I think the Browns will do their homework on the three-time Pro Bowler, but in the end, I doubt they will heavily pursue him because of the off-the-field concerns. NJ.com wrote an investigative piece Friday revealing that Jackson has ties to purported gang members involved in two homicides. With a first-time head coach in Mike Pettine and first-time general manager in Ray Farmer, the Browns don't need the potential distraction of a Jackson. So far, about 10 teams have reportedly inquired about Jackson, but the Browns are not among them. The Chiefs, Raiders and Redskins are reportedly among those interested
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Desean Jackson would help us win games period. We wont go after him but we should. Who cares if he argues with his coach. its the coaches job to get the players to buy into what he is selling. I made many points in my last thread that where over looked and some of what i said was picked and chosen to what way they wanted to argue.
Im tired of having a "good guy" team that loses, give me some "bad boys" and lets win some freaking football games. Everyone bashes K2 and B-Easy but that year has been our best since 99'. to me I want players who have some swag, i want players that want the ball, i want players who demand accountablility. we arent going to win with a bunch of sissy yes men players.
Id take a chance on Pryor, Id sign Jackson, Id even draft Clowney.....all these players have skills and talents but are called divas. its up the coaches to get the most out of each player. Jackson has something to prove, and will be motivated to do it. Low risk, HIGH reward.
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I agree. What could possibly go wrong from having a WR who argues with coaches and is a character concern? When I typically think of those types of players, I often ponder the large amount of Super Bowl rings they all have.
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I'm not afraid of a player who argues with their coach. It's just what it was about and what type of intensity. There's a big difference between arguing with your coach like Tom Brady does or "arguing" with your coach like Latrell Sprewell does.
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... especially to a team that is installing brand new offensive and schemes and may already be finding things difficult to get everyone on the same page, let alone dealing with a certain "all about me" individual on top of everything else.
Sounds like a recipe for holding the team back and etc...
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My issue was never about whether he should be a Brown. I'm at least 51% against the idea. Hell, I don't want Chris Johnson either, (hey Vers does that make me a double reverse racial hypocrite?). At the same time don't use unfounded assumptions that blur into racial stereotypes to justify your reasoning. Players that come with a lot of unnecessary complications should be approached cautiously. End of story.
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Just Clicking WOW,, So I take it name calling is allowed now? And what's with the internet tough guy act.. Geesh. 
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just wanted to apologize to you guys(not vers) for my post last night. i deleted it, but for those who saw it (CHS and others) that was...rude of me.
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I'm not afraid of a player who argues with their coach. It's just what it was about and what type of intensity. There's a big difference between arguing with your coach like Tom Brady does or "arguing" with your coach like Latrell Sprewell does.
I don't disagree with that. My post was an implied reference to the T.O./Chad Johnson/Edwards types. Even Randy Moss.
You can argue with your coaches and not be a character concern. All of those guys met both criteria.
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As a fan of the Browns, of course I want them to sign a playmaker like Jackson. Based off everything I have heard from Ray Farmer and Mike Pettine, I simply cannot see us going after him. It would be in direct conflict with the "type" of player they have been talking about since they both came on.
If we signed him, I would put Farmer under the microscope immediately for misleading us.
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If they did pursue him, I would trust that they did their homework. That said, I cannot imagine him being the kind of player they want when they are trying to change the mindset of the locker room. They want guys who are going to work hard every single day, and set an example for the young guys who they want to teach to win ....... and that's not Jackson. His best destination would be a team where there is strong veteran leadership in place that can keep him in line.
I wonder if Andy Reid will try to bring him in? Never mind, I just saw on CBS Sports that the Chiefs have dropped out of the DeSean Jackson sweepstakes too.
It's going to be interesting to see where he winds up.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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If they did pursue him, I would trust that they did their homework. That said, I cannot imagine him being the kind of player they want when they are trying to change the mindset of the locker room. They want guys who are going to work hard every single day, and set an example for the young guys who they want to teach to win ....... and that's not Jackson. His best destination would be a team where there is strong veteran leadership in place that can keep him in line.
I wonder if Andy Reid will try to bring him in? Never mind, I just saw on CBS Sports that the Chiefs have dropped out of the DeSean Jackson sweepstakes too.
It's going to be interesting to see where he winds up.
I was thinking Seahawks, 9ners, Broncos, Colts and unfortunately Steelers as good destinations, Even Baltimore but they just signed Steve Smith.
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Along the lines of CHS's recent post, I'd take a couple KW2-type attitudes on this team, and I think Pettine would as well. I don't follow the Eagles or Jackson, but I would guess that he's closer to KW2 than the BE/TO/Ocho type.
Both could be distractions, but one still fits the mold that Pettine has talked about.
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If anyone would know him best it's Andy Reid.. If Andy don't want him, what's that say?
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I'm sorry folks, but this made me chuckle.
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LOL So you are ignoring Vers, CHS and Swish.. do I have that right?
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If he doesn't answer then he's ignoring more than those three. 
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I can't believe teams leak out that they will try to trade somebody OR RELEASE THEM??? Its like hello who will trade with you then???
No surprise - he might get a one year Show me contract if nobody gobbles him up with some Moola n years on a contract. Which not sure anyone is going to do.
We'll know by mid week. If not gone he'll either wait till after the draft or sign a one year contract with a contender.
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Teams like the Browns have to make trades for players on the cutting list because we aren't an attractive destination for free agents. Hopefully, the new regime will eventually change that perception.
No kidding, it's obvious why teams leak the trade rumours. Hoping teams like the Browns bite.
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If anyone would know him best it's Andy Reid.. If Andy don't want him, what's that say?
Yeah, I was thinking that same thing... they claim it is for cap reasons, but we all know if there is a will there is a way to fit it under the cap.
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If he doesn't answer then he's ignoring more than those three.
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If it was me I would try real hard to get on a team in the NFC east so I could play the eagles twice a year
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No incentive based/prove it contract for DeSean: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/31/desean-jackson-wont-come-cheap/Quote:
Any NFL team hoping that free agent receiver DeSean Jackson will be willing to sign a “prove it” contract may come away disappointed.
In fact, Jackson is seeking a deal that will pay him in the $9 million to $10 million a year range, a source tells Chris Russell of ESPN 980.
It’s not surprising that Jackson would want that kind of money. After all, before the Eagles released him he was due to make $10.5 million in Philadelphia this season — and early in the offseason he hinted that he wanted a raise.
No team was willing to give up a draft pick for the privilege of paying Jackson $10.5 million this year, but that doesn’t mean no team will pay him $9 million or $10 million. There are questions about Jackson off the field, but there’s no question that he’s one of the best playmakers in the NFL with the ball in his hands. Some team might decide that he’s the missing piece in its offense and pay him significant money.
And if that offer doesn’t come, it may be a while before Jackson signs.
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New Report from Comcast Philly says Jackson was gone before reports of possible gang activities were published: http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philad...&ocid=yahooThey say he just didn't fit Chip Kelly's style / organization. 
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They say he just didn't fit Chip Kelly's style / organization.
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I didn't read your link above. Still, there are a lot of sound reasons for not pursuing Desean. I think every case needs to be judged on its own merits.
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