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New Report from Comcast Philly says Jackson was gone before reports of possible gang activities were published:
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philad...&ocid=yahoo
They say he just didn't fit Chip Kelly's style / organization.
I still gotta say there is more to this then not fitting. That would be like us letting Joe T. go and saying he did not fit our new O.
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Chip Kelly didn't like him and he thought he was overpaid.
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LOL So you are ignoring Vers, CHS and Swish.. do I have that right?
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LOL So you are ignoring Vers, CHS and Swish.. do I have that right?
If he doesn't answer then he's ignoring more than those three. 
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New Report from Comcast Philly says Jackson was gone before reports of possible gang activities were published:
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philad...&ocid=yahoo
They say he just didn't fit Chip Kelly's style / organization.
I still gotta say there is more to this then not fitting. That would be like us letting Joe T. go and saying he did not fit our new O.
I agree. If you were there Eagles, you would try to get something back in return for him if it was only fitting into the plans of the organization. You wouldn't just cut him. Even if he was showing up late to meetings and such. You would still try to get something. Right now, he can't be a 'cancer in the locker room' because they aren't in the midst of team activities.
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New Report from Comcast Philly says Jackson was gone before reports of possible gang activities were published:
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philad...&ocid=yahoo
They say he just didn't fit Chip Kelly's style / organization.
I still gotta say there is more to this then not fitting. That would be like us letting Joe T. go and saying he did not fit our new O.
Nah.. we aren't talking about Kelly's offensive scheme so your comparison isn't valid.
It's pretty clear that Kelly didn't like Desean in his locker room. $10 million a year is alot of money for a player and not everyone thinks that only a players talent matters. Some value character more and the impact that player has on all the other players in the locker room.
Someone will give Desean a big contract though. Players with that kind of talent tend to get many chances in the league but if he keeps acting like a punk he'll be changing teams again. To me the best comparison is T.O. Great talent but not a guy you want in your locker room.
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I'm not afraid of a player who argues with their coach. It's just what it was about and what type of intensity. There's a big difference between arguing with your coach like Tom Brady does or "arguing" with your coach like Latrell Sprewell does.
I don't disagree with that. My post was an implied reference to the T.O./Chad Johnson/Edwards types. Even Randy Moss.
You can argue with your coaches and not be a character concern. All of those guys met both criteria.
I think WR's get a really bad wrap in today's game. They just really want the ball and want it bad.
No one called Flacco a diva when he said that the wildcat was stupid and that he wants the ball.
That said, I'm extremely biased as TO was my favorite player growing up. 
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I will apologize for last night's comments. I was drunk, too. I'm just sick of the race card always being pulled.
My earlier comments about Jackson had absolutely nothing to do w/race. Nothing.
I should have just ignored it. I apologize.
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Could Ya'll keep this to a pure football thread?
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Chip Kelly didn't like him and he thought he was overpaid.
Nothing else matters.
I don't understand all the hoopla that came with it. Like they needed an excuse to get rid of him. I understand he's a good player, but good players get released all the time. If they had just dropped him and there was no backstory coming out with it, I wouldn't have thought any different. It's the way of the NFL now.
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Jackson to Redskins "a done deal"That's what they need... someone to take all the media attention off RGIII when he continues to struggle being anything but a running QB.
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ncarcerated Bob IBN ‏@incarceratedbob **BREAKING NFL NEWS**Source: Redskins n Desean Jackson still trying to complete deal. Late push (offer) from Browns may get him thinking https://twitter.com/incarceratedbob/status/451031848047882240
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Give me DeSean Jackson opposite Josh Gordon with Cameron in the slot, and Johnny Football slingin' it around back there and I will actually be excited for football season for once.
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Give me DeSean Jackson opposite Josh Gordon with Cameron in the slot, and Johnny Football slingin' it around back there and I will actually be excited for football season for once.
As much as I wanted to soap box it and say Jackson isn't the type of guy I want, it would be very difficult to defend our passing attack. We'd go from Little as our 2nd, to little as our 4th.
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If this is true, and I don't think it is, I will be extremely happy. Even if we don't get him. It will just show that our front office can cut through the BS.
As others have said Gordon, Jackson, and Cameron would be lethal. It would also take another need off the table come draft time.
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I'm with you as far as soap-boxing, but it's ballsy moves like this that will get us out of our normal loser status.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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it's ballsy moves like this that will get us out of our normal loser status.
Yes. Why can't we be one of the teams that takes on guys like this?
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His character has been assassinated, but now comes the easy part for DeSean Jackson: Proving the Eagles wrong. All he has to do is show up on time, work hard when he gets there and stay out of trouble when he leaves. You know: Be an adult.
The bar's low to prove the Eagles were wrong to release him. So he damn well better clear it.
None of that, or what follows, is written in a mocking or taunting tone. I don't leave things unsaid, so this isn't a subtle dig at DeSean Jackson or an unspoken suggestion that he can't possibly prove the Eagles wrong because he's a malcontent or a jerk or a gang-banger or whatever it is some people want to believe.
The point is clear and obvious and fair and even easy: If you've been wronged, DeSean Jackson, prove it. Never in the history of sports has a player had so much to gain at such little cost. Nobody's asking Jackson to prove the Eagles wrong by catching 100 passes for 1,500 yards and 15 touchdowns in 2014. That would be a career year for a guy whose best numbers in those three categories came in 2013: 82 catches, 1,332 yards, nine touchdowns. It would be unfair to tell Jackson -- or any player -- that to shut up the naysayers, all he has to do is something he's never done.
In fact, production on the field isn't the issue here at all. Jackson can't sign with the Redskins or Jets or whoever and lay a 50-catch, 600-yard, two-touchdown egg -- that's no way to prove he was wronged -- but ultimately his redemption, as was the case with his Eagles release, isn't about production. The Eagles didn't dump him because he can't play.
They dumped him because he can't play nice.
So that's the bar for DeSean Jackson. It's pathetically low, really, like asking an adult to step over a curb. Live your life with decency, DeSean, and you win. And in so many ways, he has lived his life with decency. The reports are legion of things Jackson has done for kids who have been bullied, like this one from 2011 and this one from 2013.
At the least, however, Jackson reportedly had issues with work ethic in Philadelphia, occasionally showing up late and not giving an honest day's work after he got there. There are other issues, nickel-and-dime stuff like the time Jackson celebrated a touchdown in a high school All-American game by flipping (and fumbling) before he got to the end zone, a mistake that shook him up so badly he essentially repeated it with the Eagles, nonchalantly dropping the ball after scoring -- but before actually scoring. Here's a video of both plays.
That stuff is infuriating but not the reason a team with an explosive offense would dump a Pro Bowl receiver in his prime. Why did the Eagles dump Jackson? We don't know, though we suspect. Jackson was released a few hours after this report in a New Jersey newspaper about his reputed gang affiliations, including some oblique, possibly irrelevant connections to a pair of gang-related murders since 2010.
Is that why the Eagles released Jackson, because of those gang connections? We don't know. We suspect. Did the Eagles want to get rid of Jackson so badly that they leaked that story to the New Jersey newspaper to provide cover for when they dumped a Pro Bowl receiver for nothing in return? We don't know. But we suspect.
What has happened to Jackson has to have been hard -- to have your name dragged through the mud and even blood of gang-related murder -- and then to have been dumped for absolutely nothing.
But what happens next ought to be simple. Sign somewhere. Show up when everyone else shows up. Work as hard as everyone else works. Go home. Stay out of trouble. Wake up the next day and do it again. And again. And again.
Sticking it to the Eagles ought to be the easiest thing DeSean Jackson has ever done.
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Give me DeSean Jackson opposite Josh Gordon with Cameron in the slot, and Johnny Football slingin' it around back there and I will actually be excited for football season for once.
As much as I wanted to soap box it and say Jackson isn't the type of guy I want, it would be very difficult to defend our passing attack. We'd go from Little as our 2nd, to little as our 4th.
Depending on how Benjamin recovers from his ACL, Little might be our 5th WR and 7th option recieving because of Tate and Cameron.
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I really only want him for this: http://tinyurl.com/2F2LD33
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I'm trusting Farmer to do his due diligence. We can speculate Desean is a punk or he's just misunderstood but Farmer has the resources at his disposal to find out quite a bit more. IF Farmer makes a move and somehow (very unlikely) brings in Desean I'll be on board. From a talent perspective it would be great.
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We got a little of that with Whatshisname we stole from Cincy.
Adding more would be nice, too.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again -- We aren't running a nunery here.
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True, I know I might be reading between the lines too much but even trying to bring in Jackson would seem to preclude Sammy Watkins at #4.
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True, I know I might be reading between the lines too much but even trying to bring in Jackson would seem to preclude Sammy Watkins at #4.
I disagree.
If we sign DeSean Jackson, yes, you can forget about Watkins at #4.
But if we don't, I think going after him at least shows we see that as an area of need -- If we don't LOVE a QB, Watkins at 4 is very likely.
I have a feeling we're going to end up with Watkins and Carr.
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I don't think we will sign Jackson. But if we somehow did, there would be a 0% chance we draft Watkins.
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I don't think we will sign Jackson. But if we somehow did, there would be a 0% chance we draft Watkins.
Kind of my point, why even go after a guy if you really want Watkins?
could reverse that and say, that's why you go after him, knowing you won't get him to make other teams think you don't' want Watkins. Oh boy 
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If anything, doesn't it show that we think we need a strong #2 wide receiver? If we don't sign Jackson, and I don't think we will, then Watkins is definitely in play.
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Well, who projects better... Watkins or Desean Jackson? They may have "wanted" Watkins but once Desean became available I think you have to go for him unless there are real character issues. We wouldn't want Watkins because he is "Watkins"... we would want him for his skillset. If we get Desean then the need isn't there anymore.
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I say we sign Jackson, draft Watkins, fire Pettine, and hire Kliff Kingsbury. Then we just go Texas Tech five wide every play with Gordon, Watkins, Jackson, Cameron, and Hawkins.
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Just another link, for posterity's sake. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/01/report-49ers-browns-aggressively-pursuing-jackson/Report: 49ers, Browns aggressively pursuing Jackson Posted by Mike Florio on April 1, 2014, 1:49 PM EDT The mystery of the DeSean Jackson mystery teams apparently has been solved, without the intervention of Shaggy, Scooby-Doo, or any other meddling kids. According to NBC Washington, the 49ers and Browns are pursuing Jackson, who continues to visit with the Redskins. Per Diana Russini of NBC Washington, the 49ers reached out to Jackson while he was dining with the Redskins. Also, the Browns are “going hard” with an offer. It’s been known for days that the 49ers are very interested in Jackson. The Browns also were believed to be interested, as part of their whole Jim Harbaugh swing-for-the-fences mentality. It’s now known, if the report is accurate, that both teams are aggressively chasing Jackson. The timing of the report is curious. With Jackson and the Redskins engaged in a high stakes game of poker, Jackson needs leverage to get the kind of deal he wants. But the leverage has to be credible. Leaking news of a pair of “mystery teams” doesn’t cut it. The teams need to be known, and they need to be genuinely interested. The extent of the interest of the Browns, the 49ers, or anyone else may not be known unless and until Jackson leaves Washington without a contract. Which could eventually be one of the steps in a dance that has millions of dollars hanging in the balance.
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Well, who projects better... Watkins or Desean Jackson?
Jackson. He is proven and entering his prime. Similar upside with both guys, but far less risk with a proven guy. Plenty of top 5 picks fail.
Plus, Jackson would save us a #4 overall draft pick. Considering our QB situation, I'd rather have a #4 pick than the cap space.
Even if we don't want to draft a QB at #4, we could get the WR (Jackson) and trade that pick for quite a haul.
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Well he's left Washington with no contract - maybe this Browns being interested in him is a serious ordeal?
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very interesting.
I tried to not take a strong stance prior.
I did say and know that he was not implicated in anything with the gang stuff. There was more of a flag on the 250k in cash and guns that were stolen. Not that either were illegal. Oh and no break in.
But it was the fact that he missed meeting and that attitude enough so that NOT ONE of his team mates had a good word to say or to defend him. Meanwhile there were several in support of Cooper.
So if he comes here - I doubt it although the Redskins are no standard of greatness of late. They do have a QB.
There are Pluses and Negatives.
He is a great talent no denying that. Was a lot of his Negatives in Philly cause he didn't respect the discipline demanded by a College coach??? Like most we here about and why they go back to college.
No way am I suggesting its Kelly's fault. Just pointing it might be there. Where all is hunky dory till they start losing then a lot more will come out complaining.???
But the question is what do we do if he continues that TUDE here??? Hopefully it will be a written contract that will not have much penalty if we Release him.
In a positive its a sign that we are committed to winning. Not only to us fans but to the players and the entire NFL around. It can also be a big testimony to our Browns if he did come here and had no baggage while he was here. Pettine would be folklore.
the negative is obvious. he cannot bring that kind of veteran leadership to our young players.
I think its mostly smoke by the Agent. Its not like the Browns have ever been played before in a negotiation. We might have just asked what was he asking for...and the Agent is using it for leverage???
I guess we will find out soon enough.
I have called him more than once a Shakespearean character - King Richard.
I hope he just becomes a Prince...not a Toad! If he's here. I won't hold my breath.
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Just clicking folks,, Someone else brought this up but remember, it's April Fools day!
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Well he's left Washington with no contract - maybe this Browns being interested in him is a serious ordeal?
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DeSean Jackson exited #Redskins facility, source says (as @TarikCSN said). But plan is for him to stay in town with hopes of doing a deal
Ian Rapoport, Twitter
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