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Lessons learned from the Alex Mack offer sheet Posted by Mike Florio on April 16, 2014, 9:42 AM EDT Cincinnati Bengals v Cleveland Browns Getty Images In extending an offer sheet to center Alex Mack, the Jaguars apparently relied on Mack’s supposedly intense desire to leave Cleveland — and the Browns potential willingness to let him walk because of it. Now that the offer has been matched, Mack says he never wanted to leave. Even if he created a very strong impression to others that he did. Ultimately, Mack didn’t really want to leave. Or getting $18 million guaranteed changed his mind. Or the Browns didn’t care one way or the other. The offer signed by Mack and matched in Cleveland pays out $18 million fully guaranteed over two years and, if not voided by the player, another $8 million fully guaranteed in year three. League insiders have now digested the terms, and it has sparked a few ideas about how a team could use a device like this in the future in a way that would deter a match. The most obvious reaction was that the offer didn’t force the Browns to pay enough money. The Browns are guaranteed to have Mack for two years at $18 million, or for three at $26 million. Absent a long-term deal, Mack would have made $10 million in 2014 under the transition tag. If tagged again in 2015 (transition or franchise), Mack would have made $22 million over two years. If not tagged, he would have hit the open market next year. It’s unclear what it would have taken to get the Browns to pass, but in hindsight the offer sheet made it a lot cheaper for the Browns to keep Mack for the next two years. And if Mack is telling the truth about wanting to stay in Cleveland, he won’t void the deal after two years — and they’ll keep him for three years at only $4 million more than it would have cost to keep him for two years under the tag. The pay-as-you-go nature of the offer, which has become more prevalent as teams pay more attention to the minimum cash spending requirements of the 2011 CBA, also made it more likely that the Browns would match the offer. By using structure with much of the total compensation over the first two or three years shifted to a signing bonus payable in full within a day or two after the contract becomes official, a team with offseason cash-flow issues and/or concerns about satisfying the minimum spending requirements in future years could be less likely to match. The best approach, despite the potential for hard feelings among teams and not-so-subtle disapproval from the league at large, would have been to park a huge roster bonus in Year Two, and for Mack to make it clear to the Browns that he would not restructure the deal to give the team cap relief come 2015. Implicit in the situation would have been a willingness by Mack to convert the roster bonus to a cap-friendly signing bonus next year. Ultimately, the Jaguars chose a path less likely to ruffle feathers, hopeful that Mack truly wanted out of Cleveland and that the Browns would factor that desire into their assessment of the situation. If/when a similar situation arises in the future, the team that tries to lure the player away should be less willing to bank on non-financial considerations and more inclined to craft an offer that the player’s current team can’t not refuse. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/16/lessons-learned-from-the-mack-offer-sheet/
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not necessarily true at all. in 2 years, he might still be considered a top center in the NFL and the rising cap (or the view of that position or both) may make the top center pricetag a lot higher than $8mil/year. So, he may opt-out to sign a bigger deal (whether or not he wants to stay). Not to mention that he'd be able to get more guaranteed money with a new deal.
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The league has disallowed poison pills. Now with talk about how to get around this type of tag the league needs to step in and tell teams they can't offer up a contract they can't live with...the team who signs the player can't renegotiate the contract the following year in some wink wink deal.
If you are going to try to stick a team with a large roster bonus the following year, then you will have to live with those terms as well.
People talk about owner collusion...I'd say such a deal as described in the article would meet that standard between player and team. There is nothing fair about that.
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Good article.
With all of the noise of Mack wanting out of Cleveland, I really expected a roster bonus that would have made life difficult for the Browns. However, if Mack were to go to Jax, and has a horrible time in his 1st year, (in this example) then there's nothing that prevents him from using that same tactic to force his way out of there the same way. Let' face it, Jacksonville isn't a grand and glorious destination for football players lately. Maybe a player could use that tactic only to take advantage of 2 bad team, and to get into complete free agency the following year no matter what team he signs with.
This type of deal requires a lot of trust between team and players/agent ...... and I don't know that this much trust exists anywhere.
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A wink wink deal would rarely happen because who is going to walk away from 3-5 million in guaranteed money? No NFL GM will risk their job on one of those if the player doesn't fulfill his side of the bargain.
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I do like what Gus Bradley did last year. When Haslam/Banner said that other teams around the league were getting better as the season went on, while we got worse in regards to the Chud firing. In my mind they were pointing directly to what Jacksonville was doing.
Despite their record, they were getting better each week. I think Gus Bradley is going to be a good coach. I was not surprised to see that Mack was impressed with him.
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I do like what Gus Bradley did last year. When Haslam/Banner said that other teams around the league were getting better as the season went on, while we got worse in regards to the Chud firing. In my mind they were pointing directly to what Jacksonville was doing.
Despite their record, they were getting better each week. I think Gus Bradley is going to be a good coach. I was not surprised to see that Mack was impressed with him.
Yeah, and maybe 90 out of 100 players do exactly as they have *wink wink* agreed to do. However, let's say, for example, that Alex Mack's goal was to play for the Patriots. There is no way he was going to get free of the Browns this year, and even next year he might have a tag applied to him. It's doubtful, but who knows? To ensure that he can be a free agent, and gets to play for his preferred team, he finds team B, who is willing to play the game with him. He agrees to a deal where he'll get a $20 million roster bonus in year 2, with the understanding that he'll convert that to a signing bonus. Team 1 cannot match. Team 2 gets the player. He plays out year 1, and then decides to not convert the bonus, thus forcing his way out of this team as well, and clearing his path to playing for his preferred team. (The Patriots, in this example) Maybe his agent even, discretely, talks to someone with the Patriots, and expresses the player's interest. (just to gauge interest for the following year saying "what if .....?) I know that would be against some rules .... probably .... but done quietly .......
I am sure that players who are free agents don't just decide on day 1 of free agency where they are going to play, I am sure that all kinds of hushed deals take place, and the NFL as a whole just looks the other way, because they all do it.
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not necessarily true at all. in 2 years, he might still be considered a top center in the NFL and the rising cap (or the view of that position or both) may make the top center pricetag a lot higher than $8mil/year. So, he may opt-out to sign a bigger deal (whether or not he wants to stay). Not to mention that he'd be able to get more guaranteed money with a new deal.
I'd say it's almost guaranteed that he opts out. Now, that may be so that he can sign a new deal with Cleveland. I think it's best to look at Mack's deal a two separate contracts: a two-year fully guaranteed $18 million deal, followed by a three-year $34 million deal with $8 million guaranteed. If he thinks that, two years from now, anyone will give him a deal that's better (read: more guaranteed money) then opting out is a no-brainer. Barring injury, I think it's almost a given that he'll be able to command more than $8 million guaranteed.
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not necessarily true at all. in 2 years, he might still be considered a top center in the NFL and the rising cap (or the view of that position or both) may make the top center pricetag a lot higher than $8mil/year. So, he may opt-out to sign a bigger deal (whether or not he wants to stay). Not to mention that he'd be able to get more guaranteed money with a new deal.
I'd say it's almost guaranteed that he opts out. Now, that may be so that he can sign a new deal with Cleveland. I think it's best to look at Mack's deal a two separate contracts: a two-year fully guaranteed $18 million deal, followed by a three-year $34 million deal with $8 million guaranteed. If he thinks that, two years from now, anyone will give him a deal that's better (read: more guaranteed money) then opting out is a no-brainer. Barring injury, I think it's almost a given that he'll be able to command more than $8 million guaranteed.
Sorry guys, I think you are both way off on this...
After two years, he will get $8M guaranteed with his option year...He may get more money on a new contract, but the guaranteed money is not there...In years 4 and 5, if the team keeps him, that is also $8M guaranteed for that year...
Now even though current contracts are at $8M per year and lower (making Mack the highest paid center currently) guaranteed money is not even in the same ball park as Mack...
Currently Kalil will make over $10M in 2016 if they keep him, his contract gets worse as they go..guarantees after 2015 fall to $2.58M in the form of bonus money.
Mack on the other hand has $8M guaranteed in year 3, which works for him and the team, IF the team chooses to pay him in 2017 he is guaranteed $8M again same in 2018...
This contract is Mack friendly in year 3 and team friendly in years 4 and 5, Also friendly to Mack because if the Browns decide to decline years 4 and 5, he automatically becomes a free agent to sign another contract (with guaranteed bonus this time) at the age of 31.
If something happens to Mack in the interim, the Browns owe ZERO after year 3.
All other centers currently signed are owed future money beyond their 3rd year, but it is all below $3M
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Eh, I say that we worry about what will happen in two years - in two years, lol....but, if we're going to speculate, I'd guess that a LARGE part of what will decide whether or not he opts out is how this franchise is doing and what the people at the top show themselves to be.
If we're still firing everything under the sun every season and switching schemes and reversing directions and low-balling the snot out of players and are generally the definition of dysfunctional..... he's gone. Period.
If, however, we have gained some stability and have moved toward being on the upswing as a franchise, take care of our own and perhaps are even winning as many or more than we're losing.... then I think that it won't be very hard at all to convince him to stick around for the rest of the contract; maybe even accept a new longer term deal.
Beyond the money, we have to become a company that guys WANT to work for.... and that takes good people at the top, stability, and winning.
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Where are you getting that years 4 and/or 5 of Mack's contract would be guaranteed? My understanding is that year 1 & 2 is guaranteed. Option year 3 is guaranteed if he chooses to stay. He only gets to opt out once so if he decides to stay he's on the hook for years 4 and 5. NEITHER of those years are guaranteed so the browns could cut Mack after year 3 with no additional money to pay.
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This offer sheet formula that just happened with Mack goes a lot smoother when you have more cap space than any other team.
In the future, teams looking to emulate what the Browns did with the transition tag & Mack (which was well thought out) will have to take that factor into consideration, obviously.
I think this is why so little teams showed interest in Mack....no way where they going to hand out a offer sheet so blatantly overpriced that the Browns would pass on and they'd have to consume, plus anything reasonable would be doing the Browns' work for them because they could match almost anything "fair market" value.
If Mack was a FA in 2015, the outcome of this ordeal may have been different.
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Where are you getting that years 4 and/or 5 of Mack's contract would be guaranteed? My understanding is that year 1 & 2 is guaranteed. Option year 3 is guaranteed if he chooses to stay. He only gets to opt out once so if he decides to stay he's on the hook for years 4 and 5. NEITHER of those years are guaranteed so the browns could cut Mack after year 3 with no additional money to pay.
What I said was if the Browns choose to keep him in years 4 and 5, that money is guaranteed. It isn't in the form of bonuses. As soon as he is on the roster for the beginning of the year, that money becomes guaranteed for that year.
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Ok, now I'm more confused. Why are those 2 posters "way off"? I think they are pretty much on the mark. Not sure why Mack having his 4th/5th year salaries guaranteed IF the Browns decide to keep him for each of those years matters. 
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Where are you getting that years 4 and/or 5 of Mack's contract would be guaranteed? My understanding is that year 1 & 2 is guaranteed. Option year 3 is guaranteed if he chooses to stay. He only gets to opt out once so if he decides to stay he's on the hook for years 4 and 5. NEITHER of those years are guaranteed so the browns could cut Mack after year 3 with no additional money to pay.
What I said was if the Browns choose to keep him in years 4 and 5, that money is guaranteed. It isn't in the form of bonuses. As soon as he is on the roster for the beginning of the year, that money becomes guaranteed for that year.
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My understanding is that years 4 and 5 are not guaranteed.. Just 1 and 2 and if he chooses to stay, then 3 is guaranteed.
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No no, I obviously made this confusing...The $8M is guaranteed money if the Browns keep him in years 4 and/or 5...The $8M is not made up of bonuses that he needs to earn.
It is in the form of salary if he is on the roster day one.
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No no, I obviously made this confusing...The $8M is guaranteed money if the Browns keep him in years 4 and/or 5...The $8M is not made up of bonuses that he needs to earn.
It is in the form of salary if he is on the roster day one.
To take it further, I simply don't think it is a given that at the age of 31 it is a given that more than $8M guaranteed would be available in a new contract.
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in response the last 8-10 posts
1. if we change coaches again I'm pretty sure he'll be gone...safe to say.
2. This year many things lined up well for him. There were many teams with big time cap room. Now the NFL has mandatory % of the cap that has to be used and I think its on a average thing so that some teams will have to over spend what they want.
my point is very key will be the overall cap room of the league in 2016...things might be tight so that if Mack does opt out...no way he gets 8 mil for Center. I remember for about 3-4 years OGs were getting mega contracts then a few were misses and it did not turn out to be sound investments and poof a lot less money and the good OGs are signing with their teams.
Just like us...other teams will be fighting the cap probably in 3-4 years. We will be asking Alex to re-negotiate probably. Along with others we paid well while we had the money.
Alex is good, Center is important to the OL - but Skill set Physically to be a good Center is not RARE. Many teams will draft mid round centers and after a couple of years some smart and efficient ones will rise to the top. Right now its a very good and important move for us, on many levels. 3-4 years from now it might not be that good. Time will tell.
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No no, I obviously made this confusing...The $8M is guaranteed money if the Browns keep him in years 4 and/or 5...The $8M is not made up of bonuses that he needs to earn.
It is in the form of salary if he is on the roster day one.
If the Browns were to cut Mack at any point in year 4 or 5, they would not owe him a cent beyond what they'd paid him up to that point.
Furthermore, his year 3 salary is not guaranteed until April 5th (or maybe 6th), which is also the date that he must decide if he's going to stay with the team or opt out and become a free agent. He can be cut prior to that date without any further payment obligation by the Browns.
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No no, I obviously made this confusing...The $8M is guaranteed money if the Browns keep him in years 4 and/or 5...The $8M is not made up of bonuses that he needs to earn.
It is in the form of salary if he is on the roster day one.
If the Browns were to cut Mack at any point in year 4 or 5, they would not owe him a cent beyond what they'd paid him up to that point.
Furthermore, his year 3 salary is not guaranteed until April 5th (or maybe 6th), which is also the date that he must decide if he's going to stay with the team or opt out and become a free agent. He can be cut prior to that date without any further payment obligation by the Browns.
Correct...I am not arguing that at all..
What I am saying is if the Browns want to keep Mack in years 4 or 5, they will have to pay him $8M guaranteed in those years, or he is immediately a free agent on day one of that league year.
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No no, I obviously made this confusing...The $8M is guaranteed money if the Browns keep him in years 4 and/or 5...The $8M is not made up of bonuses that he needs to earn.
It is in the form of salary if he is on the roster day one.
If the Browns were to cut Mack at any point in year 4 or 5, they would not owe him a cent beyond what they'd paid him up to that point.
Furthermore, his year 3 salary is not guaranteed until April 5th (or maybe 6th), which is also the date that he must decide if he's going to stay with the team or opt out and become a free agent. He can be cut prior to that date without any further payment obligation by the Browns.
Correct...I am not arguing that at all..
What I am saying is if the Browns want to keep Mack in years 4 or 5, they will have to pay him $8M guaranteed in those years, or he is immediately a free agent on day one of that league year.
I don't think the entire year is guaranteed. They could cut him after week 1 and would only owe him his game checks up to that point.
I could be wrong but I think that is how the contracts run in the NFL.
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No no, I obviously made this confusing...The $8M is guaranteed money if the Browns keep him in years 4 and/or 5...The $8M is not made up of bonuses that he needs to earn.
It is in the form of salary if he is on the roster day one.
If the Browns were to cut Mack at any point in year 4 or 5, they would not owe him a cent beyond what they'd paid him up to that point.
Furthermore, his year 3 salary is not guaranteed until April 5th (or maybe 6th), which is also the date that he must decide if he's going to stay with the team or opt out and become a free agent. He can be cut prior to that date without any further payment obligation by the Browns.
Correct...I am not arguing that at all..
What I am saying is if the Browns want to keep Mack in years 4 or 5, they will have to pay him $8M guaranteed in those years, or he is immediately a free agent on day one of that league year.
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Isn't there a provision for veteran players with at least 4 years of service in the NFL that their full salary becomes fully guaranteed for the year the day of their first league game (or some date around then)? I think that is what Irsh was referring to.
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Sort of. If a 4+ year vet player is on a team's roster for the first game of the season and is later released, he can elect to draw a payment equal to that entire year's salary. It's voluntary and can only be done once in the player's career. So it's not guaranteed salary, per se, but he can get paid the same amount that he would've had he been on the roster for the whole season.
That sounds different than what the other poster said, as he said the start of the league year, not the regular season.
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I"m not sure of that. It could be, and I think it is, if he starts in year 4 and then they cut him, he's getting the full amount for that year 8 Million... At least I think that's what I read... Damn, now I gotta find that. $##$^%(&%$^$
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I"m not sure of that. It could be, and I think it is, if he starts in year 4 and then they cut him, he's getting the full amount for that year 8 Million... At least I think that's what I read... Damn, now I gotta find that. $##$^%(&%$^$
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I"m not sure of that. It could be, and I think it is, if he starts in year 4 and then they cut him, he's getting the full amount for that year 8 Million... At least I think that's what I read... Damn, now I gotta find that. $##$^%(&%$^$
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Not sure where that's from, but it sound official,, so if that's the case, I'll stand corrected..
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Years 1 and 2 are guaranteed, unless Mack goes insane and winds up in prison. (or something equally stupid)
Year 3 is technically a player option worth $8 million. If Mack exercises his option to stay with the team, then that $8 million becomes guaranteed. It is also Mack's potential "out", as the timing of his out makes it impossible for the Browns to tag him again. I blieve that hsi deal also forbids such a tag anyway.
Once year 3 passes, there are no further guarantees. Mack has years 4 and 5, with specified salaries, but there are no guarantees on those salaries. If Mack goes to training camp, but is cut before the season starts, his salary is on no way guaranteed. His contract at that point would be the same as most NFL players' contracts.
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If the Browns were to cut Mack at any point in year 4 or 5, they would not owe him a cent beyond what they'd paid him up to that point.
I"m not sure of that. It could be, and I think it is, if he starts in year 4 and then they cut him, he's getting the full amount for that year 8 Million... At least I think that's what I read... Damn, now I gotta find that. $##$^%(&%$^$
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Not sure where that's from, but it sound official,, so if that's the case, I'll stand corrected..
It's from the post I made directly prior to yours 
But if you Google "NFL termination pay" you'll find plenty of info.
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And if Mack is telling the truth about wanting to stay in Cleveland, he won’t void the deal after two years
not necessarily true at all. in 2 years, he might still be considered a top center in the NFL and the rising cap (or the view of that position or both) may make the top center pricetag a lot higher than $8mil/year. So, he may opt-out to sign a bigger deal (whether or not he wants to stay). Not to mention that he'd be able to get more guaranteed money with a new deal.
like I said before Mack was looking out for himself and his family. He made sure he could also do so in the future. Would he prefer to retire a Brown.... yes..... but he has to put his needs and his family's first and every one of us would do the same thing. I am thrilled that he is still a Cleveland Brown but I am also thrilled that he has taken care of his family and put them first. he is one smart cookie 
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If you take an objective look at this, both sides did what they had to do in order to get the best for their own interest.
Drama aside, Mack finds out his market value, and the Browns match the deal.
I think it is a good deal for both teams. Mack is secured for the next couple of years to figure out the Pettine tenure, and can go elsewhere is another coaching change, and the assorted chaos continues.
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And I've said.. If 2 seasons from now, Mack isn't convinced we're going in the right direction..
We probably aren't..
And I won't blame him for leaving.
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If the Browns were to cut Mack at any point in year 4 or 5, they would not owe him a cent beyond what they'd paid him up to that point.
I"m not sure of that. It could be, and I think it is, if he starts in year 4 and then they cut him, he's getting the full amount for that year 8 Million... At least I think that's what I read... Damn, now I gotta find that. $##$^%(&%$^$
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This is absolutely correct and what I was talking about yesterday. This comes directly from the CBA. Mack will never get another contract once he turns 31 that will show $8M in salary. He only gets one opportunity to exercise this in his career. so years 4 or 5 would be the one time he uses it...Again, if the Browns have him on the roster day one.
But the money makes sense for the Browns to exercise those final 2 years if his skill set doesn't diminish and in offensive linemen show less of a drop off historically than other positions.
I will be surprised if Mack isn't here for the full 5 years. The only way he won't be is a) if his agent talks him into thinking he will get more than $24M after year 2 of this contract expires or he has an injury in any given year that diminishes his skill set dramatically.
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And I've said.. If 2 seasons from now, Mack isn't convinced we're going in the right direction..
We probably aren't..
And I won't blame him for leaving.
That's pretty much how I feel.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...r-unique-ordealIf Alex Mack was looking for a metaphor -- for his fresh start with the Browns, the deep freeze the franchise applied to his fleeting Floridian flirtation or both -- the Pro Bowl center was confronted with an obvious one Tuesday morning when he peeked out the bedroom window of his suburban Cleveland home and saw white where there should have been green. The overnight springtime snowfall surprised Mack, who'd worn shorts and flip-flops to the Browns' training facility the previous afternoon, his first workday since the team matched the five-year, $42 million offer sheet he'd signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Clearly, regrettably, the transition-tag deal carried no requirement that Cleveland also match Jacksonville's weather. "Wouldn't that be nice?" joked Mack, who nonetheless put an entirely positive spin on his return to the franchise that selected him in the first round of the 2009 NFL Draft. The only disappointment Mack expressed in the wake of his new deal was that his first foray into faux free agency played out so deliberately. A little more than a month ago, when he and I dined with veteran free-agent lineman Will Svitek at a bustling Manhattan Beach pub, Mack spoke excitedly of the impending start of the league year, which was a little more than 12 hours away. "I've never been in this position before, and it's exhilarating to contemplate how it will play out," Mack said at the time, between bites of a massive burger. "I could be on a plane tomorrow afternoon. We'll see." As it turned out, Mack spent the day holed up in his beach pad watching old movies and fiddling around with his Xbox One, pursuits that went uninterrupted by calls from suitors. He and agent Marvin Demoff soon realized that the seldom-applied transition tag, which tendered Mack a one-year salary of $10.039 million and afforded the Browns the right to match any offer, complicated his situation, adding a strategically nuanced layer to any potential courtship. "That night we were out, I was expecting everything to happen fast, and that it would all be over maybe five days from then," Mack said Wednesday evening. "It obviously took much longer than that. After a couple of days, it was very obvious that I was in a special category. I was more difficult to sign because (of the prospect that the Browns might match), and so I was kind of tabled for a while." Eventually, the Jaguars took a swing, hosting Mack on a visit that both sides described in glowing terms. "Jacksonville did a really good job," Mack said. "It's a really cool city and a nice facility. The coaches were great. The players I met were really nice. The vibe was great. I thought, 'Absolutely, let's do a deal.' " The challenge for Demoff and Jags general manager Dave Caldwell was to structure a contract that worked for both sides while sufficiently repelling the Browns, which was not an easy task. In belated response to the Vikings' infamous poaching of Seahawks guard Steve Hutchinson via a "poison pill" provision eight years ago, the transition-tag rules were amended following the 2011 lockout to eliminate such devices. Free-Agent Tracker Follow all the developments on the NFL's open market with our up-to-the-minute tracking of 2014's free agents. More... The best the Jags could do was to include $26 million of fully guaranteed salary over the first three seasons while inserting a clause allowing Mack to void the deal after two years (and denying the team the possibility of retaining him via the franchise or transition tags). The Jags believed Mack wanted to play for them and hoped the Browns would not try to keep him against his will. It didn't play out that way: The Browns, who had five days to match, exercised the option after five hours, with new Cleveland general manager Ray Farmer phoning Mack to deliver the news. Had the Browns allowed Mack to leave, Farmer would have been heavily criticized for the move, given that he could have easily avoided the predicament by franchising the center, rather than using the transition tag. By guaranteeing Mack a one-year, franchise-tag salary of $11.6 million, the Browns could have essentially taken him off the market, as any team signing him to an offer sheet that the Browns decided not to match would have had to surrender a pair of first-round draft picks. If Mack truly wanted out of Cleveland, he did an excellent job of concealing his sentiments. "I never wanted to burn bridges," he said. "That was really important to me, from last offseason on, when we started talking about (a possible long-term extension). Nothing about this is personal. Whatever the path of my career, I'm determined to leave positive impressions and be one of the good guys." Throughout the Jags' courtship, Mack said he carefully weighed the two situations, furthering his reputation as an obsessive list-maker. "When I wrote out the pros and cons on a sheet of paper -- which I do all the time, anyway -- there were a lot of positives in both columns," he said. "And I knew throughout the process that I had to be happy with either outcome." 'ATL Podcast' The Around The League team hits all the NFL's hottest topics in its award-winning podcast. Join the conversation. Listen Having surpassed the Carolina Panthers' Ryan Kalil as the NFL's highest-paid center, and having afforded himself a shot at unrestricted free agency in two years, Mack can't be too broken up about his fate. His Browns teammates sure aren't. Said All-Pro offensive tackle Joe Thomas: "I'm happy to have all the contract stuff behind us and excited to have big Mack back." Everyone's certainly in a better mental place than they were three-and-a-half months ago, when, in the immediate aftermath of the Browns' season-ending defeat to the Steelers in Pittsburgh, Mack and his teammates learned of first-year coach Rob Chudzinski's impending firing on the bus ride home. "That was a very surreal moment," Mack said. "It's an interesting game; things change all the time. People are traded, things move around. It's just part of what life is." However, life in Cleveland -- home of the Factory of Sadness -- has been inordinately tumultuous since the Browns drafted the brainy ex-Cal star with the 21st overall selection in 2009. There have been defeats (at least 11 in each of Mack's five seasons), regime changes (Randy Lerner/Eric Mangini to Lerner/Mike Holmgren/Tom Heckert to Jimmy Haslam/Joe Banner/Mike Lombardi to Haslam/Farmer) and coaching casualties (Mike Pettine will be Mack's fourth head coach in six seasons). Yet Mack, who has taken each of the Browns' 4,998 offensive snaps since 2009, is putting his head down and hoping for the best. Last season, the Browns' promising start gave Mack and his teammates a glimpse of what life around town might be like if the team were to start winning consistently. "That'd be awesome," he said. "You felt a little bit of it last year, but then we had a couple of injuries, lost some tight games and it got out of hand. If we start really getting up there, this city will go nuts. "I'm fired up. It's exciting to think about where the Browns are going. We've got six Pro Bowlers. We can be good." The upshot: After a month's worth of list-making limbo, Mack seems convinced that a metaphorical thaw has arrived. "Things are warming up," he said. "No, literally, the snow has melted." And if the Browns finally provide some heartwarming moments to the Factory of Sadness? Well, wouldn't that be nice?
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