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Depending on the team's confidence in Dion Lewis for 2014, I'd draft another RB. With so many picks, I think they can afford to burn one on a back...
I don't know what this confidence is from. He's very shifty, but can't break a long run to save his life.
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In this exercise I would take:
4. Bridgewater, The QB I'm most comfortable taking high.
26. Beckham Jr. Possibly as explosive as Watkins.
35 Jack Mewhort, T/G. has played both positions over his college career. If our real OL problem is guard plug him in there. If the problem is RT he goes there. Talented enough to play at a high level at either.
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Is Mewhort better than Fragel was at OSU?
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Sorry, I should let this go but...
In 2013, the Browns didn't have a starting quality RB on the team, then they traded away the best, bad, RB they had...They certainly didn't have someone to step in when their bad RBs were hurt or ineffective. Who wants to get caught with their pants down again?
The Seahawks had Lynch, who is a workhorse reliable RB...We have moved on to Ben Tate, whom I love as a runner, but reliable is not something I will ever label him as.
Now other end of the spectrum, another playoff team, the Moreno, Ball and Hillman...all averaged 4.0+ yards per carry. THAT is what I want, options in the running game...not one and done, Tate goes down and now it is all defense stop the pass time...
I don't disagree as I said earlier. Hyde isn't rated as high as other backs and the first back might not get selected until he mid 2nd round.
I am not saying not to take Hyde. I am just saying it would be foolish to take him at 35. That doesn't fix anything. Heck, that adds to our problems IMO when you start selecting players a round and a half or more early.
If we can't draft him in the 4th round, it will be because he was taken 4-5 slots before our pick. I don't see any real chance of him being selected before we pick in the 3rd round. That would be shocking.
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Is Mewhort better than Fragel was at OSU?
In a word, yes. Fragel was a converted TE who played well at RT. Mewhort had more starts at positions including LG, RG and LT. Mewhort was selected, although not first team, All Big Ten and All American. Mewhort has also excelled in Meyers spread requiring in my estimation more athleticism than required of OL at the time Fragel was in Columbus. Lastly Mewhort is rated solidly within the top 10 of OT's. I could dig it up but I'm fairly sure that wasn't the case for Fragel. This synopsis is not to suggest that Fragel has no talent. It's merely a comparison of the two player's careers.
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Manziel...  Manziel... Manziel...
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I don't disagree as I said earlier. Hyde isn't rated as high as other backs and the first back might not get selected until he mid 2nd round.
Mel Kiper Jr., GBN Draft Report, Scott Wright of Draft Countdown, Draft Insider's Digest, and Walter Football all have him as their #1 rated RB.
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I don't usually critique people mock drafts, but I don't see how taking Hyde in the 2nd round improves anything.
I don't want to be drafting back-ups unless it's maybe the QB for a period of time with any of the first 3 picks.
JMO....carry on.
It doesn't.
Bridgewater OR Manziel DOES
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I don't usually critique people mock drafts, but I don't see how taking Hyde in the 2nd round improves anything.
I don't want to be drafting back-ups unless it's maybe the QB for a period of time with any of the first 3 picks.
JMO....carry on.
Based on Ben Tate's career thus far, how long would Hyde be a backup? What he does is take some pressure off of Tate being an every down back and may keep him healthier. Tate AS A BACKUP has never gone through a season without missing a game due to injury
2013 missed 2 games, managed 175 attempts
2012 missed 4 games, managed 65 attempts
2011 missed 1 game, managed 181 attempts
2010 missed the entire season, manage 0 attempts
All as a backup, relief RB...
What happens when you ask him to get you 300+ attempts?
I don't know about you, but IF/WHEN he goes down, are you telling me you want to rely solely on 2013 injured Dion Lewis to lead this team to the playoffs?
I would say drafting someone like Carlos Hyde improves this team a great deal for the course of a season.
Imo I agree with much of what you have to say. Good points.
Btw, I'm a running game and D guy. I'd actually ban the forward pass and bring back Muni's infield mud. Hopefully it's part of the stadium improvements. Gimme a 6-3, 7-3, 10-7 final score game anyday.
I just think that in this case, just as the case in Denv, Hou, and most recently Wash with Alfred Morris, the system made/makes the RB.
I'll go on a limb now..............yardwise, in 2014 our running game will be top 10........no-matter. The system says so.
I really can't see them going RB till the latter rds.....latter being rd 4 and beyond.
And yea, I'd really like Hyde, and yea, Tate breaks down, and..........."Next Man Up"!!!
Btw, I wasn't a big fan of the Tate signing for just your reasons.
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You know, the more I watch film the more I am convinced there are 2 QBs available that would change the face of the franchise...That aside, I don't believe in any of the other one's available to do the same thing. Bottom line, I want this offense fixed stat... IF this regime disagrees with me in either of my two QBs, and I have questions about the others...I have to agree on going another route. Fixing the offense another way would depend on making this running game the best in the NFL. If a) they don't like my two QBs or b) both of those QBs are gone by #4, then I would change my draft completely... #4 Jake Matthews #26 Xavier Su'a-Filo #35 Carlos Hyde And I will go one further....Trade up from #71 to get either Joe Bitonio or Jack Mewhort THOSE 4 players will give you a running game that will open up the passing game for Hoyer more than anything else going forward... I re-iterate...If either of my two QB choices are available at #4 or I can move up to #2 to get one of them, I take the QB, because I have them rated very high...Otherwise, this secondary option would put your offense in the best position to succeed... LT Joe Thomas LG Greg Robinson or Xavier Su'a-Filo C Alex Mack RG Xavier Su'a Filo or Jake Matthews RT Joe Bitonio or Jack Mewhort In 4 years, Matthews or Robinson move to left tackle and take over for Joe... ___________________________________________________________________  In the end that is the craziest thing I could have said...but if you think you are going to improve the offense without getting a top tier QB, then you are just as crazy as I am...
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Sammy Watson
Xavier Su'a-Filo
Carlos Hyde
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So, you don't think we need a QB?:
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So, you don't think we need a QB?:
Not in this draft and we can get a QB next year in Hoyer stinks it up. I personally think this draft class is similar to 2002. All of the QB's in this draft need a year to sit and learn.
Plus, we would also be inserting a QB with more talent from this draft than what we have the other way around if the QB we draft does well. Which I would predict will not be Manziel or Bridgewater.
It's well documented that Shanny hates Johnny Football type QB's and don't think Teddy is the answer at 4.
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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Ouch!
just my opinion...
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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