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Not what I'd expect from Shaq if he knew the guy was disabled. And exacly what did he say again? He made a face right? He didn't voice out what he was thinking. So to compair this to a racial rant loaded with hate, intent, and malice is stretching things. Although he should be punished for posting the pic on Instagram
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He posted "Smile today" while posting a picture of the kids' disabled face. Straight up making fun of his disability.
The big difference to me, is his comments were not only public, but unsolicited. He went out of his way to publish this pic/caption. This wasn't a slip-up after being baited. He took the time to initiate this, hoping to get laughs and praise for it. Congrats Shaq! You are so funny.
If Haslam posted a picture of Shaq with an offensive, racist caption he would be done.
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Just to be clear. Jahmel Binion is 23 years old.
I'd need to see the tweet to understand the context of Shaq making fun of him. I am skeptical of him already having his own anti bullying campaign (which is a trend that sort of annoys me).
Funny thing to me about the Daniel Sterling event is that it was spurred by Magic Johnson being the "undesirable" black person. Which I find kind of hilarious, oh please girlfriend, stop bringing nba superstar hall of famers to my games, it is embarassing.
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It was just a picture of Shaq's face next to the other guy's face with the caption, "smile". It really wasn't malicious in any way, however distasteful. As a result Shaq, Waka and Trey Burke have all apologized to him and I believe are helping his new campaign.
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He posted "Smile today" while posting a picture of the kids' disabled face. Straight up making fun of his disability.
The big difference to me, is his comments were not only public, but unsolicited. He went out of his way to publish this pic/caption. This wasn't a slip-up after being baited. He took the time to initiate this, hoping to get laughs and praise for it. Congrats Shaq! You are so funny.
If Haslam posted a picture of Shaq with an offensive, racist caption he would be done.
Turning this around and pointing fingers at Shaq's Instagram post is such a stretch and only masks and steers coversation away from the real issue. I really thought I'd be hard pressed to find anyone siding with this owner in any regard.
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Turning this around and pointing fingers at Shaq's Instagram post is such a stretch and only masks and steers coversation away from the real issue. I really thought I'd be hard pressed to find anyone siding with this owner in any regard.
Not sure if that is towards me, but I clearly disagree with Sterling. I've posted that. I agree with his punishment. I'm not siding with him.
They are both wrong. But I see Shaq's behavior as worse than Sterling's words. He intentionally did this. He pushed this out there, seeking to gain applause. And I don't know much about this disease, but I assume this 23 year old has seen far more obstacles b/c of his disability than his skin color.
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what shaq is shameful. period.
that said, i love how people are searching for anything to take the heat off sterling. i already said i could really care less, but some of you guys are really coming off as "i'm not racist, but..." types. which we all know what that really means.
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That's right, Shaq makes fun of a guy's instagram pic who he does not know, does not know he has a disability and apologizes with a call. But that is equal to Sterling!!.. Yup.. Please, in all this Sterling crap, when has Sterling apologized???
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I can't even put into words how much that bugs me. If the network has a conscience it will either cut him loose, reprimand him, or stand behind him and do whatever it chooses with a certain amount of pride that it is doing the right thing... not wait to see which way the winds of public opinion are blowing before making an opinion.. then if they do get enough pressure, they will issue some self-righteous statement about how they don't want a guy like that representing them... 
That's pretty much what the NBA is doing with Sterling and it's pretty much how the market works.
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I can almost guarantee he did not consent to being recorded and in the state of Cali... it's a 2 person consent. it was a private conversation recoded illegally and was published. They will not be submittable in court. After that, the NBA will not have anything to stand on as they can not use that as a conversation piece in the court room.
I believe he is going to wait to do anything until the NBA takes his team from him.
The NBA should have suspended him first and tried to figure out the best moves before acting so swiftly. it will come back and bite them in the butt.
this will turn very ugly when he sues the NBA and her for slander, defamation, income loss, expulsion, and everything else his attorneys can think of.
There may not be an NBA when this is all said and done and her life will be over and he will have the last laugh. Right or wrong.
I don't see how the tape and it's legality has any barring on the NBA's decision. The NBA and it's bylaws don't have to follow due process on obtaining or listening to the tape. It's out there, they can hear it and Sterling confirmed it was him making those comments. According to the comments he made, the way the players are reacting, the fans and sponsors, they have it written in the NBA bylaws that that's worthy of expulsion.
Just like if you joined a private country club and they determined you broke one of their rules, they can kick you out. It's a private club. They don't need to follow the proper legal channels, they can just bump you to the curb. And Donald Sterling was in the private NBA owners club.
The fact that the tape exists and he confirmed it was him, why would it need to be played in a courtroom?
because they would have no legal ground to kick him out if... it was illegally recorded.
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I can almost guarantee he did not consent to being recorded and in the state of Cali... it's a 2 person consent. it was a private conversation recoded illegally and was published. They will not be submittable in court. After that, the NBA will not have anything to stand on as they can not use that as a conversation piece in the court room.
I believe he is going to wait to do anything until the NBA takes his team from him.
The NBA should have suspended him first and tried to figure out the best moves before acting so swiftly. it will come back and bite them in the butt.
this will turn very ugly when he sues the NBA and her for slander, defamation, income loss, expulsion, and everything else his attorneys can think of.
There may not be an NBA when this is all said and done and her life will be over and he will have the last laugh. Right or wrong.
I would have to think the NBA's lawyers took all this into consideration before Silver handed down the punishment. If Sterling indeed agreed to be recorded, it's a moot point anyway. If not, it's very possible (likely?) the conversation happened with both parties in a 1 party consent state. I'm sure there are all kinds of possible legal interpretations that would have to be sorted (say they were both in a 1 party consent state, but the communication traveled through HQ in a 2 party consent state, then what?) In any case, I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to be one.
that's a great question that I don't know the answer to. If they were both in Cali.... she is in for it. that much I know.
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That's right, Shaq makes fun of a guy's instagram pic who he does not know, does not know he has a disability and apologizes with a call. But that is equal to Sterling!!.. Yup.. Please, in all this Sterling crap, when has Sterling apologized???
Oh, so you can publicly mock a human being for being different. Something out of their control, like being born Funny-Looking.
Just apologize and play dumb? I disagree. I don't care if its a tooth-defect, 3rd arm, 5th nipple or purple skin. It ain't right and we shouldn't be treating it as more/less right to look down upon one difference or another. We are all human.
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That's right, Shaq makes fun of a guy's instagram pic who he does not know, does not know he has a disability and apologizes with a call. But that is equal to Sterling!!.. Yup.. Please, in all this Sterling crap, when has Sterling apologized???
So, if Sterling apologized, like Shaq, it would be okay?
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Oh, so you can publicly mock a human being for being different. Something out of their control, like being born Funny-Looking.
Just apologize and play dumb? I disagree. I don't care if its a tooth-defect, 3rd arm, 5th nipple or purple skin. It ain't right and we shouldn't be treating it as more/less right to look down upon one difference or another. We are all human.
So again, how did Shaq KNOW he was disabled from that small pic?? Why couldn't have been a person making a funny face?? Or a person trying to make a funny face? Until you see the video of the of the person, then you can tell he is disabled!!
And trying to use that as the equal of what Sterling said is stupid. Now Shaq will learn a lesson about posting about an image without knowing the background but his actions to not come close to Sterling...
Maybe you have "Make a Sterling excuse disorder"!!
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So, if Sterling apologized, like Shaq, it would be okay?
Its not about being OK?? Shaq did not know the kid (although the guy in the pic is 23) disabled by the pic but he apologized, showed remorse for his actions. Sterling is still trying to act like he did nothing wrong.
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So, if Sterling apologized, like Shaq, it would be okay?
Its not about being OK?? Shaq did not know the kid (although the guy in the pic is 23) disabled by the pic but he apologized, showed remorse for his actions. Sterling is still trying to act like he did nothing wrong.
And Sterling didn't know he was being recorded.
So, one said what they felt and didn't know they were being recorded......another person makes fun of someone with a disease they didn't know they had. 1 apologizes, and you're good with that.
My question was: If sterling apologized, would you be okay with that?
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I can almost guarantee he did not consent to being recorded and in the state of Cali... it's a 2 person consent. it was a private conversation recoded illegally and was published. They will not be submittable in court. After that, the NBA will not have anything to stand on as they can not use that as a conversation piece in the court room.
I believe he is going to wait to do anything until the NBA takes his team from him.
The NBA should have suspended him first and tried to figure out the best moves before acting so swiftly. it will come back and bite them in the butt.
this will turn very ugly when he sues the NBA and her for slander, defamation, income loss, expulsion, and everything else his attorneys can think of.
There may not be an NBA when this is all said and done and her life will be over and he will have the last laugh. Right or wrong.
I don't see how the tape and it's legality has any barring on the NBA's decision. The NBA and it's bylaws don't have to follow due process on obtaining or listening to the tape. It's out there, they can hear it and Sterling confirmed it was him making those comments. According to the comments he made, the way the players are reacting, the fans and sponsors, they have it written in the NBA bylaws that that's worthy of expulsion.
Just like if you joined a private country club and they determined you broke one of their rules, they can kick you out. It's a private club. They don't need to follow the proper legal channels, they can just bump you to the curb. And Donald Sterling was in the private NBA owners club.
The fact that the tape exists and he confirmed it was him, why would it need to be played in a courtroom?
because they would have no legal ground to kick him out if... it was illegally recorded.
Are you being serious?
We've all heard the tape, that's all that the NBA needs.
There are no admission rules for the tape if you're an NBA owner, player, media member, or a fan. Donald confirmed it was his voice to the NBA. It's done. It's over. They can use it to make a decision to force him to sell. The NBA bylaws are clear in this manner. He signed off on them when he joined the league (or any changes that were made along the way).
This is a court of public opinion, not a court of law.
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Conflicting reports on if Sterling knew he was being recorded or not. But if he apologized for his words AND his past racist/bigoted actions over these years, it would be a start!
But of course, his actions have been as terrible or worse than his words.
BTW -> you can spare the Sterling got recorded pity party! He was with his mistress, he did not want to help his mistress with the lawsuit from his wife and mistress got him back!!.. Happens to married men all the time who cheat. No different than a married man whose mistress tells his wife about their actions! Boo - Hoo.. next time, control the mistress or help the mistress or talk the wife out of suing the mistress!!
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We've all heard the tape, that's all that the NBA needs.
There are no admission rules for the tape if you're an NBA owner, player, media member, or a fan. Donald confirmed it was his voice to the NBA. It's done. It's over. They can use it to make a decision to force him to sell. The NBA bylaws are clear in this manner. He signed off on them when he joined the league (or any changes that were made along the way).
Apparently people don't get when you sign things, even at most people's current jobs, they are held to those standards!. Sterling broke rules in the By-laws. That means the NBA can oust him...Point/Set/Match!
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We've all heard the tape, that's all that the NBA needs.
There are no admission rules for the tape if you're an NBA owner, player, media member, or a fan. Donald confirmed it was his voice to the NBA. It's done. It's over. They can use it to make a decision to force him to sell. The NBA bylaws are clear in this manner. He signed off on them when he joined the league (or any changes that were made along the way).
Apparently people don't get when you sign things, even at most people's current jobs, they are held to those standards!. Sterling broke rules in the By-laws. That means the NBA can oust him...Point/Set/Match!
(only if he didn't know)
he broke it by having a private conversation? and someone illegally published it without consent? He did not make a public statement.
I want to make it clear that I'm just speaking on our civil rights.
I personally think he's a tool.
What if your ex-significant other published a private conversation you had with them in confidence that it was private? What if you said you hated your boss?
Would your company you work for have rights to fire you?
Where do you draw the line?
What about the sports players that use the N word?
what about Arizona defensive end Darnell Dockett posted on twitter.... Apple has a new device out for Chinese people. The iOpener.
What about all of Charles Barkely's racial remarks against white people in the NBA?
“This debate goes back to the Paula Deen thing, where they’re like, ‘Black people use it amongst themselves, it’s in rap records,’” Barkley said. “Listen, what I do with my black friends is not up to white America to dictate to me what’s appropriate and inappropriate.”
What about Riley Cooper?
What about Richard Sherman?
What about Arthur Blank?
If Michael makes a mistake and eats fried chicken and French fries in prison every day and comes out at 250 pounds, he’s not going to be able to play football,” Blank said. “
What about Michael Irvin
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when suggesting that Romo's distant grandmother "must have pulled a brother out the barn and got down to business" to produce an athlete of Romo's ability.
what about Rob Parker, ESPN commentator, calls Robert Griffin III "cornball brother."
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Of course they do. Your company has the right to fire you if you don't have your shoes tied.
Office drama happens all the time on some manner and it usually ends up with someone leaving either by force or because they can't take it anymore.
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That's a matter between Donald and the mistress. Maybe he sues her for slander or illegally taping a conversation without his consent, but she's broke and he's already rich. What would that prove?
As for you, me, everyone on this board, & the NBA, the conversation is out there and can't be taken back.
I'm not saying it's right how this tape got out, but it's kind of too late for that. It's out and he's confirmed he said it (which I'm surprised he did, if I were him, I'd never admit to it).
As for situations that involve us nobodies, with social media and smart phones everywhere, you have to be careful. A bad internet photo can ruin your future employment possibilities and an opinionated comment on Twitter could get you fired. The lines are blurred about what's private for everyone, especially famous people.
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Was it legal to record and release Sterling's racist rant? (CNN) -- Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling is banned from the NBA for life. Sterling has confirmed it is his voice expressing racist views on audio of a private conversation that was leaked to the media. Some who have followed Sterling over the years say he had shown this side before and the leaked audio led to public outcry too loud for the NBA commissioner to ignore. But what of the recording itself? Was it legal to record? To leak? Here's a look at some of the legal aspects of the recorded conversation between Sterling and his alleged mistress, V. Stiviano, who said she recorded the conversation. Was it legal to record the conversation? It depends what state you are in during the conversation. Most states require that only one person have knowledge that a conversation is being recorded for it to be legal. But some states, like California, are "two-party consent" states where all of those involved in the conversation have to know they are being recorded for it to be legal. So depending on the location of the recording, if Sterling didn't know he was being recorded, the audio might very well have been obtained illegally. Stiviano's lawyer, however, told the Los Angeles Times that Sterling knew he was being recorded. The lawyer, Mac Nehoray, declined to tell the Times why Stiviano recorded the conversation, but said it was "by mutual agreement," he told the Times. Was it legal to leak the audio? Though some may question the ethics of the act, if the audio was legally obtained, no laws were violated by leaking it to a reporter. The reporters who received the audio and disseminated its contents to the public also did nothing illegal, said Joel Kurtzberg, a New York attorney with expertise in First Amendment and media law. Stiviano's lawyer has said that Stiviano was not the one who released the audio to the media.
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From what I've heard, and take it for what it's worth...
Sterling told his lady to record him, because he had been having trouble remembering things he had said at times..
If that's the case, then there's no legal ramifications whatsoever..
Regardless, it doesn't matter if it was illegal, it's out there, the NBA knows about it, and has acted on it...
Soon the owners will vote him out, The NBA will take over the team till it's sold for probably almost 2 billion, and we'll probably never hear from him again...
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Maybe I'm completely making this up, but I thought only ONE person in the conversation had to be aware of the recording?
So if she recorded it, even without his knowledge, it'd be legal.
I thought the only way it'd be illegal is if it was a 3rd party recording the conversation, without either of them having knowledge of that.
Am I making ths up?
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The Dodgers were sold for $2b...I don't see how the Clippers would be as much. I heard someone say $600-750m. Here's an article I found ( What would the Los Angeles Clippers be worth if Donald Sterling sold the team? ) According to the latest valuation by Forbes, the Clippers franchise is now worth $575 million, a 34 percent increase over the 2013 valuation.
However, what the team is worth is not the same as what someone would pay for it. For example, Forbes had the Milwaukee Bucks as the least-valuable team in the NBA at $405 million, but investors Wesley Edens and Marc Lasry paid a whopping $550 million for the struggling franchise.Assuming a similar markup, 35%, thats "only" $775m. I suppose I could see the LA franchise getting a bigger bump because it's location, but that would only mean it would go up $800-900m. We'll see though. Doesn't really matter, Sterling has more money than he can spend now. Getting a check for $800m isn't going to make him any happier. New topic - Mike&Mike talked about this heavily yesterday. UCLA rejected recent or upcoming $3.4m donation from Sterling because of his comments. Now, the money wasn't just going to name a building on campus, it was going to towards kidney research. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/04/ucla-donald-sterling-donation UCLA is stooooopid for rejecting that check. At least something good can come from his money.
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Maybe I'm completely making this up, but I thought only ONE person in the conversation had to be aware of the recording?
So if she recorded it, even without his knowledge, it'd be legal.
I thought the only way it'd be illegal is if it was a 3rd party recording the conversation, without either of them having knowledge of that.
Am I making ths up?
Depends on the state. Most are one-party consent. A few, including California, are two-party consent.
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I have to admit I'm far less concerned with the legality of him being taped.. never much cared for the "it's only wrong if I get caught" defense
He's a racist d-bag, she's a prostitute... they deserve each other... I just still have issues with the selective moral outrage we show as a society..
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I have to admit I'm far less concerned with the legality of him being taped.. never much cared for the "it's only wrong if I get caught" defense
He's a racist d-bag, she's a prostitute... they deserve each other... I just still have issues with the selective moral outrage we show as a society..
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter.
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I just still have issues with the selective moral outrage we show as a society..
I would argue that there is no such thing as an entire society having one select perspective on morals, and outrage towards them..
Every person is different, every person feels differently about things.
I don't really care that Winston got caught stealing freaking crab legs, he's dumb, he'll (probably not) get punished for it, and it'll be a blip on the story of his life..
Just like I don't "really" care that Sterling is a racist. It does not effect my life at all. Old White Guy is racist? Who knew, right?
The only thing I care about is that the worst owner in the HISTORY of Pro Sports is finally now going to be gone. And the NBA will be better for it..
Life goes on.
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I get the point your making and respect it. But yes, your company, my company..etc can fire you or take some personnel action based on you based on, depending on what/how they find out things about you. Think about how HR departments check your online accounts on you( facebook..etc). So if your ex, significant other put out something on you ,there will be red flags raised. Usually, alot of people in certain industries have ethics clauses.etc, that can get them in situations like these. When Mark Cuban first said this is a slippery close we are going down, I first dismissed it. But then when I thought about it, I was like, we already went down that slope!! Sterling is just a high profile rich guy who just went down that slope!!
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I would argue that there is no such thing as an entire society having one select perspective on morals, and outrage towards them..
And I would agree with that.. but with social media and the ability to form the "mob mentality" quickly and very widely, it's easy for it to seem that way..
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I would argue that there is no such thing as an entire society having one select perspective on morals, and outrage towards them..
And I would agree with that.. but with social media and the ability to form the "mob mentality" quickly and very widely, it's easy for it to seem that way..
I see your point. Didn't think of it that way.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I'm curious if anyone thinks the quote below - in regards to this racism debate/discussion - is a racist comment:
"old rich white guy is racist, more news at 11."
Sounds racist to me...the author has made the assumption/presumption that old, rich, white guys are racists.
Note: This was not a quote from a recorded, private conversation.
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Not racist, Stereotyping, yes. But not racist.
But I'm of the belief that if you fit a stereotype, it's no longer stereotyping.
He's an old rich white guy, who's racist.
Old African American men tend to be racist also.
Basically mostly old people, that still live in their old ways, are racist...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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When stereotyping is based on race, how can it NOT be racism?
How about this one then:
"young, poor, Mexican is an illegal alien, news at 11."
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