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Do it in a heartbeat unless they are convinced that our savior QB was still there and could be drafted at number 4 and then they had damn well better be right.
This is it, in a nutshell.
A trade like this does not happen until we are on the clock. If we think there is a franchise/savior QB in the draft and he is there when we are on the clock, we pick him. If not, we take this trade and don't look back, assuming the guy Dallas wants is still there.
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I'd rather they grab an upgrade at QB at 4, I think, and go from there...
If you're not confident in them to pull it off, how confident in them are you to pick the best QB?
I think it goes back to what you said, and what others have said.
If they LOVE, not Like, a QB, you HAVE to take him at 4. Not only to make sure oyu get him, but to send the messege to him, the team, whomever, that this is the guy we wanted.
Not "Well we moved back hoping this guy fell blah blah"
You pick a guy, and you take him. If you don't absolutely think they are going to be The Guy, then you take a deal...
Watkins is great, but I think a guy like Evans (if he's even there at 16 or whenever) can do just as good a job as a #2. Plus you're getting another potential starter AND have two 1sts next year... Done deal.
This is either going to be the draft that sets us up for a decade as a contender, or the one that has us going 7-9 and 8-8 every year...
We are WAY too talented to win less than 6-7 games a year now... It's ridiculous..
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Do it in a heartbeat unless they are convinced that our savior QB was still there and could be drafted at number 4 and then they had damn well better be right.
This is it, in a nutshell.
A trade like this does not happen until we are on the clock. If we think there is a franchise/savior QB in the draft and he is there when we are on the clock, we pick him. If not, we take this trade and don't look back, assuming the guy Dallas wants is still there.
The other option is taking a guy, that a few teams want, and then when THEIR number is up, if a guy we like is still there, you make the deal...
You only do this if you want the guy you pick also.
Hence why it's rarely done. 04 with Eli is the last one I can remember..
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Tony Grossi threw this out there today as a possible trade.
Is he the same guy that said we were replacing RAC with "THE CHIN" LOL
Anyway, If that deal were truly offered, I think I'd take it.
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Tony Grossi threw this out there today as a possible trade. Honestly, I like this trade. I think with the 16th they can possibly get Mike Evans (if not, Darquez Dennard) . With the 26th they take Derrick Carr (If they really like him). 35 probably gets you either Sua-Filo (OG) or Jason Verrett (CB). Then you pick up the best LB, or OL left. Or even package some of these picks to move back into the 1st round.
Plus, you'll have a pick somewhere between 12 and 20 next year in the 1st round. What's not to like?
I don't want any trade that drops us below #10. JMHO Go Brownies!!!!
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Oh my god. One more week, please let this end...
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Oh my god. One more week, please let this end...
Im numb to the draft already. Ive done so many mocks, talked so much draft im burnt out on it. I am tired of trade downs. Take the talent that is available, stop giving it to other teams. this madness has to stop. Take the highest player on your board and dont think twice.
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Oh my god. One more week, please let this end...
Im numb to the draft already. Ive done so many mocks, talked so much draft im burnt out on it. I am tired of trade downs. Take the talent that is available, stop giving it to other teams. this madness has to stop. Take the highest player on your board and dont think twice.
Just think how the Front Office feels about now.. LOL I bet they wish the draft was last week..
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Yeah, but what if our "perceived" franchise QB is Derrick Carr? We don't need to pick him at #4, he'll be there at #26. I like Carr. I think he's been down graded because he had a poor bowl game, and because his brother David ended up being a bust. Although, the Texans where terrible when they came into the league... David Carr got sacked more than anyone in the league 2 straight years.
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Yeah, but what if our "perceived" franchise QB is Derrick Carr? We don't need to pick him at #4, he'll be there at #26. I like Carr. I think he's been down graded because he had a poor bowl game, and because his brother David ended up being a bust. Although, the Texans where terrible when they came into the league... David Carr got sacked more than anyone in the league 2 straight years.
I highly doubt it. If you like him as a QB I can't see letting 7 teams or so who need QBs pick in front of you just because some online ratings have him listed as the 26th or 28-best prospect. It only takes one team to agree with you or me or Mourg on the guy... and that team could be Houston, Jacksonville (both who would make the discussion moot), Oakland, Tampa, Minnesota, Tennessee, Arizona, or Cincinnati.
If he's on the board when we trade back... there's a decent chance he won't be available at #6, let alone #26.
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Tony Grossi threw this out there today as a possible trade. Honestly, I like this trade. I think with the 16th they can possibly get Mike Evans (if not, Darquez Dennard) . With the 26th they take Derrick Carr (If they really like him). 35 probably gets you either Sua-Filo (OG) or Jason Verrett (CB). Then you pick up the best LB, or OL left. Or even package some of these picks to move back into the 1st round.
Plus, you'll have a pick somewhere between 12 and 20 next year in the 1st round. What's not to like?
It's a good start...but I would want at least another 2nd(next years)....call me greedy if you like...but we were looking at 3 #1's PLUS a #2 to move up for RGIII and we are just 2 spots below where that pick took place...most likely looking at the first QB off the board AND the QB they Cowboys most desire.....I push for the extra second.
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Yeah, but what if our "perceived" franchise QB is Derrick Carr? We don't need to pick him at #4, he'll be there at #26. I like Carr. I think he's been down graded because he had a poor bowl game, and because his brother David ended up being a bust. Although, the Texans where terrible when they came into the league... David Carr got sacked more than anyone in the league 2 straight years.
I highly doubt it. If you like him as a QB I can't see letting 7 teams or so who need QBs pick in front of you just because some online ratings have him listed as the 26th or 28-best prospect. It only takes one team to agree with you or me or Mourg on the guy... and that team could be Houston, Jacksonville (both who would make the discussion moot), Oakland, Tampa, Minnesota, Tennessee, Arizona, or Cincinnati.
If he's on the board when we trade back... there's a decent chance he won't be available at #6, let alone #26.
Exactly. If you think he's the franchise guy then you don't screw around and try to out-clever everyone else. You take him first chance you get. If you think he is the franchise guy then it's likely at least one other does as well. Don't get cute and then end up reaching on a panic pick.
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Do it in a heartbeat unless they are convinced that our savior QB was still there and could be drafted at number 4 and then they had damn well better be right.
This is it, in a nutshell.
A trade like this does not happen until we are on the clock. If we think there is a franchise/savior QB in the draft and he is there when we are on the clock, we pick him. If not, we take this trade and don't look back, assuming the guy Dallas wants is still there.
Amen bro. I have never seen so many amature draft pro's who think they are miss Cleo as i see around here. They all scream that they know best when they don't have a freakin clue 
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Do it in a heartbeat unless they are convinced that our savior QB was still there and could be drafted at number 4 and then they had damn well better be right.
This is it, in a nutshell.
A trade like this does not happen until we are on the clock. If we think there is a franchise/savior QB in the draft and he is there when we are on the clock, we pick him. If not, we take this trade and don't look back, assuming the guy Dallas wants is still there.
Amen bro. I have never seen so many amature draft pro's who think they are miss Cleo as i see around here. They all scream that they know best when they don't have a freakin clue
No one here has any more clue than anyone working for an NFL team really..
When you break it down, all drafting and what not is someones opinion...
If you don't like them, then don't read this section of the board, because, that's the entire point of it..
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I would take this trade in a heartbeat.
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So, to put it in terms of players instead of numbers, we'd be trading Watkins / Mack / Manziel for 16 and 47 this year, and a #1 next year. With #16, we could have a shot at QB Bridgewater; or we should have a shot at WR Marquis Lee or CB J Gilbert or OL Zach Martin or ILB CJ Mosley. With #47, you might get QB Garoppolo, WR J Matthews, OL Gabe Jackson, ILB S Skov, or RB C Hyde. With 2 first round picks in 2015, you'd be in solid position to go up and get the best QB, whether its Mariota, Winston, or Hundley.
I'd make the trade.
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What if Buffalo also offered us the #9 pick, their 3rd round pick #71 and next year's 1st.
Would this be a preferred trade?
Am I perfect? No
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What if Buffalo also offered us the #9 pick, their 3rd round pick #71 and next year's 1st.
Would this be a preferred trade?
I'd rather have Dallas 2nd than Bufs 3rd
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Especially when you consider that Weeden could end being their QB if Romo's hurt, that 2015 first rounder could be pretty high.
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Especially when you consider that Weeden could end being their QB if Romo's hurt, that 2015 first rounder could be pretty high.
My thoughts exactly. Even is Romo starts, it will still be a 15th, 18th, maybe 21st pick next year. Next years draft will be very deep as well. Put that along with our 32nd overall pick (Haha) and we'll be sitting pretty.
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Especially when you consider that Weeden could end being their QB if Romo's hurt, that 2015 first rounder could be pretty high.
No, if we make that trade..WHEN..Romo gets hurt it will begin the Johnny Football Generation..Not Weeden, who is a training camp arm/3rd string backup.
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Especially when you consider that Weeden could end being their QB if Romo's hurt, that 2015 first rounder could be pretty high.
No, if we make that trade..WHEN..Romo gets hurt it will begin the Johnny Football Generation..Not Weeden, who is a training camp arm/3rd string backup.
And Dallas is the perfect place for him to bust.
At least it'll cut down ESPN reports. Talking about Manziel and Dallas instead of either or..
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What if Buffalo also offered us the #9 pick, their 3rd round pick #71 and next year's 1st.
Would this be a preferred trade?
I'd prefer Buffalos 9 and 41 and a 2nd next year.
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You'd prefer a 2nd next year over a 1st? 
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No, if we make that trade..WHEN..Romo gets hurt it will begin the Johnny Football Generation..Not Weeden, who is a training camp arm/3rd string backup.
And Dallas is the perfect place for him to bust.
At least it'll cut down ESPN reports. Talking about Manziel and Dallas instead of either or..
Now imagine they brought in Tim Tebow as a backup and Brett Favre as the QB coach. They would have to have someone mopping the floors their 24/7.
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You'd prefer a 2nd next year over a 1st?
I'd prefer a second in this draft and next to a third in this draft and 1st in next.
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This is from a veteran poster on the Bills board. Take it FWIW:
If Sammy Watkins is there at 4, the Bills will trade their 1st, 2nd and Stevie Johnson to Cleveland for the rights to take Sammy Watkins. Something could change, but as of today, this is on the table...Not sure this makes us better, but they see something in Sammy and envision a long term relationship with EJ and him.
If Sammy is not there, they are more than happy with Matthews or Ebron at 9
http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/16...-next-thursday/
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This is from a veteran poster on the Bills board. Take it FWIW:
If Sammy Watkins is there at 4, the Bills will trade their 1st, 2nd and Stevie Johnson to Cleveland for the rights to take Sammy Watkins. Something could change, but as of today, this is on the table...Not sure this makes us better, but they see something in Sammy and envision a long term relationship with EJ and him.
If Sammy is not there, they are more than happy with Matthews or Ebron at 9
http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/16...-next-thursday/
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Would this be a preferred trade?
Yes!!!! I don't want us to drop out of the top-10 no matter who we trade with. Buffalo will still the #4 team in the AFC East and will give us a Very High #1 next year! JMHO Go Brownies!!!!
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This makes no sense from a Bills perspective unless Stevie has gone Davone Bess. Burning a top 10 pick PLUS another high 2nd to "upgrade" from Johnson to Watkins? Sure, if they're dumb enough....do it
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Tony Grossi threw this out there today as a possible trade. Honestly, I like this trade. I think with the 16th they can possibly get Mike Evans (if not, Darquez Dennard) . With the 26th they take Derrick Carr (If they really like him). 35 probably gets you either Sua-Filo (OG) or Jason Verrett (CB). Then you pick up the best LB, or OL left. Or even package some of these picks to move back into the 1st round.
Plus, you'll have a pick somewhere between 12 and 20 next year in the 1st round. What's not to like?
I would consider it. I still think we need to draft Clowney if he is there at #4 and/or Mack at number 4. My fantasy draft is Mack at #4 and Mosley at #26. Best Available CB at #36. I am not sure how the trade helps but I feel that next year may be the year to get the QB once you have the dominant defense in the AFC North. I am not sure what you could get with the later 2nd round pick from Dallas? Perhaps a receiver or a QB.
I feel that building the defense to dominate this year is not a "wait until next year" draft either. Our defense showed signs of being good last year, dominating Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Cincinnati with a great defense will win us the AFC North with the offense we have now in my humble opinion. Win NOW, let Cleveland be known by the defense, The Quake by the Lake instead of as the Mistake by the Lake. Go Browns.
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