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Johnny Manziel is one of the most physically gifted athletes coming out of college in a very long time. He has a Heisman Trophy himself. He put up video-game-like statistics in the Southeastern Conference and has a popularity level right now that is through the roof. This is the Robert Griffin III situation 2.0. The Browns need Johnny Manziel. Manziel immediately takes over Cleveland as the most popular athlete since “The King” left for Miami. #2 Cleveland Browns Manziel jerseys lead the league in sales. The Dawg Pound has hope again and a reason to fill up the stadium, other than “being a die-hard fans, win or lose.” This needs to happen.

A 2nd chance

TGC Brian Hoyer backupThe Browns don’t have a face of the franchise. Their #1 quarterback right now is a very capable Brian Hoyer… A very capable backup, not starter. The team has a rookie head coach and a superstar Wide Receiver in Josh Gordon. Adding Johnny Football to one of the most die-hard fan bases in all of sports is a win-win. Manziel takes over a city with his presence and his ability to excite fans in addition to his amazing ability on the field. Hall of Fame quarterback Fran Tarkenton has even publicly said that Manziel reminds him of himself, but may be even better. That’s saying something.

The Browns struck out on former first round picks Tim Couch, Brady Quinn, and Brandon Weeden. The team made a franchise-changing mistake on not pulling the trigger on the Robert Griffin III trade. With the #4 overall pick, the team is very likely to be in position to grab Manziel without having to trade up. If the Dawg Pound has any hope at a bright future, starting in 2014, the Browns need to draft the most polarizing college athlete in some time, Mr. Johnny Manziel. There will be rejoice in the city of Cleveland and the Browns may actually crawl out of the cellar of the AFC North, where they’ve lived for entirely too long.


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j/c

Only four more days of "The Johnny Football hype" left until the draft. Thank God it's almost finally over!

That would be Hoge the Fullback with multiple concussions. He's the last guy I will listen to for QB advice...lol

Lets ignore Flutie and listen to Hoge...lol

I do question one thing and said so from the beginning. Although I would not question taking him at #4 I just wonder if the NFL is ready to make him the first Sub 6 footer to be drafted in the FIRST round at QB in the modern era. That is the only question I have. But I think he definitely will be taken in the first round...so there is no question really. Why not 4. And I give a rats ass on these Bozo's and draft wanna bees in the media. I taped about 6 games of JM this past year and my assessment is from my eyes who I trust more than some Fullback Steeler.

Pit - its ok. I understand your skepticism and acknowledged that in my previous post. Still all those positives are true. As for Pettine we stepped into it. I think it was a big mistake firing what we had here in Chud n staff. But Pettine is a blessing. He was here in NY we got so many media here its like 10 x what covers the Browns. Heck I knew what toilet paper he used for crying out loud! The guy is the real deal. We got a winner
jmho

Around the NFL: Shula likes idea of Manziel on Browns
The winningest coach in NFL history says Johnny Manziel just might be the spark the team of his youth, the Cleveland Browns, has needed. Don Shula shares his views at the Pro Football Hall of Fame Fanfest.


Steve Doerschuk
CantonRep.com sports writer
Posted May. 3, 2014 @ 9:57 pm

CLEVELAND

If Don Shula doesn’t know quarterbacks, who does?

Growing up just east of Cleveland, his favorite player was Otto Graham.

Then, after the Browns drafted

Shula out of John Carroll in 1951, he was Graham’s teammate.

Shula wound up as a head coach in six Super Bowls, which doesn’t even count his loss to Cleveland with the Baltimore Colts in the 1964 NFL championship game. His quarterback was Johnny Unitas.

As head coach of the Miami Dolphins, Shula coached two Hall of Fame QBs, Bob Griese and Dan Marino. Shula bowed out after the 1995 season with Miami as the winningest coach in NFL history. He still is.

So …

When this Hall of Famer turned up at the Pro Football Hall of Fame Fan Fest on Saturday, it was only natural to ask him about the QB who has all of Cleveland talking.

And he knew plenty about Johnny Football.

We caught up to Shula at the 100-yard indoor football field where his alma mater, John Carroll, had just wrapped up a practice as one of the myriad curiosities at the inaugural Fan Fest. We asked if Manziel puts him in mind of Griese, the short quarterback who helped his 1972 team to an undefeated season

“Bob Griese was 5-foot-11, maybe 5-111⁄2,” Shula replied — Manziel is 5-113⁄4. “Everybody’s different. Griese was a great field general. Marino was a great quarterback throwing the football. Manziel is a guy who looks like he has ability both as a field general and as a passer.”

Manziel is a candidate to be the Browns’ pick at No. 4 overall on draft day. Shula said he doesn’t know if Johnny Football is the next Johnny Unitas, but ...

“Whether he can bring that spark is something you don’t know until he has that opportunity,” Shula said. “But you’ve got to say that in his career at Texas A&M, he was always a guy who gave them a spark and was always there when they needed him.”

Shula’s son, Mike, was head coach at Alabama from 2003-06. He was fired and replaced in 2007 by Nick Saban, but the old man hasn’t stopped following Alabama.

“Johnny Manziel’s not the biggest guy,” Shula said, “but the guy beat Alabama when nobody was beating Alabama.

“He’s played some good football against some good teams. I think it’s going to be exciting to watch him.”


Page 2 of 3 - Echoes of the Browns have bounced across Shula’s long life. The Browns threatened his 1972 team’s run at history by taking a lead against the Dolphins in the playoffs. His last year in coaching was 1995, coinciding with the death of the original Browns. In 2013, after Rob Chudzinski became head coach of the Browns, Mike Shula replaced Chudzinski as offensive coordinator of the Carolina Panthers.

While Don Shula won big with the pint-sized Griese, and while he likes Manziel, he marvels at his son’s QB, Cam Newton.

“He’s 6-5, 250. He can run. He can throw. He’s smart. That’s the kind of guy you’re looking for,” Don Shula said.

None of the QBs in this week’s draft packs all of those traits into one body. Yet, Shula says whoever picks Manziel in a high spot needs to play him early.

“You’ve got to have the guy on the field as quick as you can,” Shula said. “He’s no good for you sitting on the sidelines.”

Shula still gets a big smile when he talks about his boyhood love of the Cleveland Browns, a team that has been of no good to anyone lately.

“I’ve always been a big Browns fan,” Shula said. “Paul Brown meant a lot to me in my career. It would be good to see them do well.”

SEASICK FOR STEELERS

When Seattle won the Super Bowl in February, Franco Harris felt no sense of connection, even though he finished his career with the Seahawks.

In his 12th and final year with the Steelers, 1983, he ran for 1,007 yards. As a Seahawk in 1984, he ran for 170 yards (2.5 a carry) and called it quits.

In a curtained-off auditorium in the IX Center, with Larry King firing questions and a crowd of about 300 looking on, Harris talked about his last stand.

“I just didn’t feel right,” he said. “Mentally, I just could not make the transition from Pittsburgh to Seattle.

“When your heart is not in it, you can’t play the game.”

Harris, 64, was one of the more popular Hall of Famers roaming the Fan Fest on Saturday.

Cleveland great Jim Brown used to poke fun at Harris for lacking the toughness to stay inbounds when he might have gained another yard or two.

“I’m not as tough as Jim Brown. I mean, he’s the best runner of all time,” Harris said. “I feel very fortunate that I played on the best team of all-time. I’d rather take that.

Page 3 of 3 - The Steelers won four Super Bowls with Harris carrying the ball. The Browns were 1-2 in NFL championship games when Brown played.

At the time of his retirement, Harris (1972-84) ranked second in NFL history with 12,120 yards. Brown (1957-65, all with Cleveland) ranked first with 12,312 yards.

What of Brown’s old dogs?

“That’s something the press grabbed onto, really,” Harris said. “I didn’t run out of bounds more than any other back.

“To me, Jim’s always been the best and still is the best. I want to say we get along great. We’re fine.”

BARRY’S WORLD

These days, 30-year-old running backs tend to be washed up.

Detroit’s Barry Sanders ran for 2,053 yards when he was 29 and 1,491 yards when he was 30, then called it a career.

Sanders announced his retirement before the 1999 season, at which point his former Lions teammate Lomas Brown had just jumped to the expansion Cleveland Browns.

Brown, an offensive tackle, bugged Sanders about joining him in Cleveland.

“I vaguely remember that,” Sanders said at the Fan Fest. “Maybe I should have listened to him.”

Sanders doesn’t think running backs are a dying breed in this era of pinball numbers for passers.

“There’s a good crop in the game,” said Sanders, 45. “You start with Adrian Peterson, then look at Marshawn Lynch, who is fantastic. Chris Johnson ... Arian Foster ... there are eight, nine solid runners in the game that are going to put up 1,200 to 1,600 yards.”

EXTRA POINTS

• While the Fan Fest drew crowds to Cleveland on Saturday, the HOF’s 7,000-square-foot traveling exhibit was in Louisville taking advantage of crowds flocking to the Kentucky Derby.

• The Vince Lombardi Trophy that will be presented to the next Super Bowl winner is on display at the Fan Fest.

• Hall of Fame coach Marv Levy, who will turn 90 in August, walked to most of his Fan Fest appointments in the massive IX Center. Plenty of Hall of Famers much younger than Levy got around in golf carts.

• Attending the first Fan Fest, which ends today, is not cheap. On-site general admission entry was $44.99. Entry to special autograph areas was $300, in addition to a general admission ticket. Tickets for today’s variety show starring Terry Bradshaw is $70.

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If he is there we have to draft him.

No we don't.

Denver signing Manning when they didn't know if his neck would break is ballsy.

San Francisco benching Smith in favor of Kaepernick is ballsy.

Seattle starting Wilson over Flynn is ballsy.

Agreed.

But those are some pretty good players at QB.

We could use one too!

Not drafting a QB until the 4th round and going in with Hoyer is ballsy.
Drafting Manziel at 4 is ballsy.

The red pill or the blue pill?

Blue pill. Give me a reason to watch other than loyalty.

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When this Hall of Famer turned up at the Pro Football Hall of Fame Fan Fest on Saturday, it was only natural to ask him about the QB who has all of Cleveland talking.

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LOL Pretty big presumption there.. I hardly know anyone that's talking about Manziel...

Look I am not a fan of Hoge but just because he played for the Steelers doesn't make his points about Manziel less valid. I have seen him in other telecast back up his opinion with tape evidence.

Jaworski I do respect especially when it comes to quarterbacks. He does his homework and he knows his stuff. He said he wouldn't take him in the third. He has softened some but he is hardly a fan.

I do not tout others as much as I rely on my own assessment. I watched most of his games and have voiced my concerns about Manziel's game consistently. Simply stated I just do not see him as a first round talent for many reasons.

I don't like his consulting never did - the fact he is a Steeler and still a steeler fan and all the insults he has given the browns and Brown fans over the years just made me DISLIKE him. But as far as his Expert analysis. Give me a tape of every thing with slow mo and a couple of assistants and I'll prove any point you wish me to prove. Actually I'll make a case of both sides of the spectrum. So he works for Espn...there is a reason why I see him less and less. But my decision factor of not liking his expertise analysis was not related to him being a Steeler alone. Actually I like the kid who just retired as a Steeler safety he made some really good observations. Clark? Good is good, bad is bad and dumb is dumb. then I'll add a Steeler, Raven or ex Brown to the mix.

jmho - its ok if I think Hoge sucks right?

Multiple people "in the know" are saying Manziel is our guy:

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And @mortreport reports he'd expect the Browns to snap up QB Johnny Manziel with the No. 4 pick if he's still there.

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Adam Schefter via Chris Mortensen

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Agree RT @AdamSchefter And @mortreport reports he'd expect the Browns to snap up QB Johnny Manziel with the No. 4 pick if he's still there

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Dane Brugler

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New mock draft will post soon…I have Manziel going to CLE at 4

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Daniel Jeremiah

I love it, but he won't be there, I bet.

And if he is and we take him, I might wanna avoid this board for a week or so

Manziel won't be our guy.

We never draft the guy I want lol.

j/c

as far as "IF" available, this is how hit happens:

Houston or Atlanta - Clowney
St.Louis - Robinson
Jacksonville - Watkins, Evans, or Matthews (probably Sammy)

Or ...

1. HOU (or trade to ATL) - Clowney
2. STL - Watkins
3. Bortles

I could see JAX passing on Manziel for Bortles -- A mistake, but I could see it.

I am over 50 and Johnny #@&*#@ Football with the 4th pick, but I doubt he is there. I heard rumor from WalterFootball that the Rams are discussing potential trade with Vikings for Bradford. If that were to happen, JF would be gone with the 2nd pick much to my chagrin.

I've come around on Carr.

I wasn't big on him at first, but the more I watched, the more I liked.

Yea ; I wasn't to thrilled with the over fifty comment

jc

Report: Johnny Manziel won’t fall past Browns at No. 4

Now things are starting to heat up.

With the NFL Draft three days away, the quarterback intrigue that any draft needs is kicking in.

Chris Mortensen of ESPN just reported that he expects the Browns to pick Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel at No. 4, if he’s still there.

Of course, there’s always the possibility that he won’t be, which is perhaps why the Browns are looking at tackles.

While taking a blocker fourth and a quarterback at No. 26 (or moving up to get one), it isn’t the flashy play.

The interest in Manziel seems obvious for the Browns, who need some spark as much as they need a quarterback. Frankly, it’s the kind of splash move we’ve been waiting for owner Jimmy Haslam to make.

The fact he wasn’t able to land Chip Kelly or Jim Harbaugh to coach his team only makes the need for a premier quarterback more acute.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/05/report-johnny-manziel-wont-fall-past-browns-at-no-4/

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It's just more of the same info as earlier just at a different website. FWIW

Well well well.


Its been a minute since I posted.

About Manziel, I am not sold on the guy. I've been researching his games and here's what I dont like:

I do not like the way he throws. This dude throws kinda awkward sometimes. Also he likes to jump throw. Thats a big no no for the NFL.

He throws into coverage. Yeah, you can pass like that in college but in the league, you will get picked off. I saw some of his throws vs a CB. An NFL CB will have a field day.

He runs too much. Now Im not saying stay in the pocket but dont get killed. Also he gotta tuck that ball in.

I will be miffed if we get him. I would rather stay away from any QB that espn or the nfl hype up. Most of the time its a fail.

My QBs

Carr, Bortles, or bridgewater

yea it was a stupid comment,

Over 50 so you hate manziel

I think he was saying he wanted Manziel but doesn't think he will be available when we pick.

I really want Manziel to make it past the 1st 3 picks. I am still torn about whether or not we should take him but I want to see what the Browns do in that situation.