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While I don't necessarily agree with his whole underlying argument, I do agree that the member teams should provide insurance for players against career ending, or career damaging injury. Players receive tuition and other financial benefits, such as room and board ...... so I don't think that the individual players are being harmed in that regard .... but the injury aspect does concern me. Jim Brown calls NCAA reprehensible, exploitative, embarrassing - CBSSports.com http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...ve-embarrassingBrowns Hall of Fame running back Jim Brown has always been one to speak his mind, whether the topic is football, social issues or, based on his comments Saturday, the NCAA. "The NCAA is probably the most reprehensible organization God ever created," Brown said, via ESPN.com's Pat McManamon. "Total exploitation. The kind of money they make, the kind of life they live, it's embarrassing." Browns' comments came at the Pro Football Hall of Fame Fan Fest in Cleveland, during a roundtable discussion on the NFL with former players Barry Sanders and Harry Carson, and host Larry King, and in response to a question from a fan about why a player suffering a career-ending injury in college couldn't receive money to compensate for future lost earnings. "I'm totally for change and total change," Brown continued. "And I think that body needs to be torn apart and put back together with everybody's best interests in mind." Brown thinks the NCAA sounds pretentious when it says it's "doing things for the young people," before making clear that his message was intentionally direct. "I wanted to say it as harsh as I could, because I want them to come at me in any way they want to. Because it's a shame the way that it happens."
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Working in college athletics, and being a Sports Admin major, I really wish people who have no idea how NCAA sanctioned athletic depts. operate would just shut up.
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Do the universities have a medical insurance plan to cover injury and surgical/recovery-rehab costs and any clause for player to cover himself for loss of potential future income as a player in professional sports due to career ending injury while performing as a player in a university/NCAA sanctioned sports event or is the medical insurance coverage the responsibility of the athlete? Since you are involved in college athletics you may be able to shed some enlightment on this subject.
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Do the universities have a medical insurance plan to cover injury and surgical/recovery-rehab costs and any clause for player to cover himself for loss of potential future income as a player in professional sports due to career ending injury while performing as a player in a university/NCAA sanctioned sports event or is the medical insurance coverage the responsibility of the athlete? Since you are involved in college athletics you may be able to shed some enlightment on this subject.
Athletes provide their own medical insurance and the athletic depts insurance covers things past what the athletes insurance covers.
As far as loss of future income, There is no such thing. Athletes enter into interscholastic athletics knowing the inherent risk and reward in participating in these activities. It is possible for an athlete to purchase this type of policy on their own though.
Food for thought: There are only 7, collegiate athletic depts in this nation that are operating at a profit.
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Food for thought: There are only 7, collegiate athletic depts in this nation that are operating at a profit.
And why is that? I suspect I know.
I bet that the vast majority of college football programs, taken as their own entity, operate at a profit. However, NCAA requirements that schools fund all kinds of other programs, that cannot support themselves to any extent whatsoever, blow through the vast majority of the extra money the football program brings in.
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Food for thought: There are only 7, collegiate athletic depts in this nation that are operating at a profit.
And why is that? I suspect I know.
I bet that the vast majority of college football programs, taken as their own entity, operate at a profit. However, NCAA requirements that schools fund all kinds of other programs, that cannot support themselves to any extent whatsoever, blow through the vast majority of the extra money the football program brings in.
No, the vast majority of football programs do not operate at a surplus. The amount they operate at is less of a percentage of deficit than other sports, but still not at a profit.Football is a very expensive sport to operate, and most football programs operate at a loss unless they are one of the schools that sells out a 70,000 plus seat stadium. That is why the majority of NCAA athletic depts. do not offer football.
Another interesting fact. Unless you are going to a BCS bowl game, most football programs LOSE money on going to a bowl game. It costs more to transport, house, and feed a football program for a bowl game than the pay out from the bowl game.
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And why is that? I suspect I know.
I bet that the vast majority of college football programs, taken as their own entity, operate at a profit. However, NCAA requirements that schools fund all kinds of other programs, that cannot support themselves to any extent whatsoever, blow through the vast majority of the extra money the football program brings in.
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No, the vast majority of football programs do not operate at a surplus. The amount they operate at is less of a percentage of deficit than other sports, but still not at a profit.
I don't believe that for a second. Unless you're adding in D2 and D3.
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No, the vast majority of football programs do not operate at a surplus. The amount they operate at is less of a percentage of deficit than other sports, but still not at a profit.
I don't believe that for a second. Unless you're adding in D2 and D3.
I'm not sure I'd argue with King, he's in that business...
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Well I'm sure if you include every team in the nation he would be correct. I'm sure many smaller schools probably lose money, which would make his statement correct.
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Food for thought: There are only 7, collegiate athletic depts in this nation that are operating at a profit.
And why is that? I suspect I know.
I bet that the vast majority of college football programs, taken as their own entity, operate at a profit. However, NCAA requirements that schools fund all kinds of other programs, that cannot support themselves to any extent whatsoever, blow through the vast majority of the extra money the football program brings in.
Title 9.....they have to support tons of womens programs like volleyball which nobody is going to pay to see, unless the girls played nude, and I am not advocating that....just saying.
And not to just pick on the womens programs.....womans BB at some schools might cover costs, but the number has to be pretty small. The only other womans program that might possibly cover costs is softball....and I doubt that.
Mens wrestling might make it's way at a few schools.....golf teams....no way....Hockey....maybe at a few schools...track....at no schools. Baseball....kind of like wrestling....a few might make a little money, but most don't.
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I don't believe that for a second. Unless you're adding in D2 and D3.
That's what they were teaching at Ohio State in 2007. I believe it was something to the tune of, a half dozen or so D1 athletic departments operate in the black.
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Food for thought: There are only 7, collegiate athletic depts in this nation that are operating at a profit.
And why is that? I suspect I know.
I bet that the vast majority of college football programs, taken as their own entity, operate at a profit. However, NCAA requirements that schools fund all kinds of other programs, that cannot support themselves to any extent whatsoever, blow through the vast majority of the extra money the football program brings in.
Title 9.....they have to support tons of womens programs like volleyball which nobody is going to pay to see, unless the girls played nude, and I am not advocating that....just saying.
And not to just pick on the womens programs.....womans BB at some schools might cover costs, but the number has to be pretty small. The only other womans program that might possibly cover costs is softball....and I doubt that.
Mens wrestling might make it's way at a few schools.....golf teams....no way....Hockey....maybe at a few schools...track....at no schools. Baseball....kind of like wrestling....a few might make a little money, but most don't.
That was my point. I have heard, far too often, about the money the football program bringing in money that has to be used to support womens sports as well, in the name of "equality". (and other teams/sports that make little money for the university) In an era where college football teams can earn close to, or in excess of $100 million per year in revenue, no one can convince me that football teams are losing money by themselves.
Here is an article from Forbes that supports what I have heard, at least to some extent. However, whether or not college football and mens basketball completely support themselves, they are the only ones that even come remotely close.
Men's football and basketball create a surplus for the University. Other sports, including women's sports, create a deficit.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/2011/05/05/does-football-fund-other-sports-at-college-level/
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Well I'm sure if you include every team in the nation he would be correct. I'm sure many smaller schools probably lose money, which would make his statement correct.
I am not including D2 or D3, nor am including NAIA, NACC, or any of the other smaller governance associations.
You have to remember, for every OSU or Florida, there are 10 schools like Kent State or FAIU. I dont want to quote an exact number, but right now about 45% of D1 football programs operate at break even, or at a profit.The majority of those being from BCS conferences. It varies from year to year, but only 6 or 7 D1 athletic depts operate at a surplus.
Last year Kent State went to their first bowl game since 1972. Yeah!!!! great news!! right? Depends on how you look at it. We lost money on the trip.
As far as complaining about Title IX . It is not just Womens sports that operate at a loss. As a matter of fact, Womens Basketball is the third highest revenue generating sport behind football and Mens Basketball(and MOST Mens baketball programs operate at a loss) I understand people not involved in interscholastic athletics philosophy is going to be different. Its entertainment for them, and I get that. But college athletics, as a whole is about serving the student body, and the student athletes. The fact that it entertains the public is what makes it possible to serve as many as it can.
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I think that's the point. Football is the ONLY sport in college that makes money..
Everyone else loses it.
So if the football players are the ones making the money, then IMO they should be getting more benefit, No?
I don't care about the whole "They get paid in a degree, housing, and meals" bullcrap. That argument ended a long time ago. As it relates to Football, and to a point basketball. The "Student Athlete" idea is dead. IMO.
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Food for thought: There are only 7, collegiate athletic depts in this nation that are operating at a profit.
And why is that? I suspect I know.
I bet that the vast majority of college football programs, taken as their own entity, operate at a profit. However, NCAA requirements that schools fund all kinds of other programs, that cannot support themselves to any extent whatsoever, blow through the vast majority of the extra money the football program brings in.
Title 9.....they have to support tons of womens programs like volleyball which nobody is going to pay to see, unless the girls played nude, and I am not advocating that....just saying.
And not to just pick on the womens programs.....womans BB at some schools might cover costs, but the number has to be pretty small. The only other womans program that might possibly cover costs is softball....and I doubt that.
Mens wrestling might make it's way at a few schools.....golf teams....no way....Hockey....maybe at a few schools...track....at no schools. Baseball....kind of like wrestling....a few might make a little money, but most don't.
That was my point. I have heard, far too often, about the money the football program bringing in money that has to be used to support womens sports as well, in the name of "equality". (and other teams/sports that make little money for the university) In an era where college football teams can earn close to, or in excess of $100 million per year in revenue, no one can convince me that football teams are losing money by themselves.
Here is an article from Forbes that supports what I have heard, at least to some extent. However, whether or not college football and mens basketball completely support themselves, they are the only ones that even come remotely close.
Men's football and basketball create a surplus for the University. Other sports, including women's sports, create a deficit.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/2011/05/05/does-football-fund-other-sports-at-college-level/
Yes, some schools football teams bring in a 100 mill a year. SOME, and those are the schools who's Ath Dept. operate at a surplus. There are way more that dont. Like I said for every Ohio State type school, there are 10 Kent State type schools.
There is a way bigger picture to college athletics than just Big Time College Football
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Now see, that's something I buy into. I just considered the "vast majority" would be considered more than 55%.
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I dont want to quote an exact number, but right now about 45% of D1 football programs operate at break even, or at a profit
Now see, that's something I buy into. I just considered the "vast majority" would be considered more than 55%.
I didnt say "vast majority" someone else said the vast majority operated at a profit. The majority dont and even most of those that do are at barely break even numbers.
People think of college football and they think the Ohio States,Floridas, USC's Etc. , and really those schools are the minority, overall.
And as much as people think of football, most don't realize what the biggest revenue maker for the NCAA is. Anyone??
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ummm, video games?
No, the TV contract for the NCAA tournament. Thats why it is so huge for small teams to get into the Big Dance, even if they are one and done.
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Just another example of Govt intervention ... In a free market system football wouldn't have to subsidize other programs .. How's that for string the pot 
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Just another example of Govt intervention ... In a free market system football wouldn't have to subsidize other programs .. How's that for string the pot
College athletic programs are NOT there for your entertainment. They are there for the betterment of the student body. Not just the students who you would want to watch play a game.
Oh, and for the most part, colleges are government organizations
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Incoming recruit Antoine Turner, who is currently homeless, is allowed to receive immediate assistance from Boise State after the NCAA granted a waiver request Wednesday.
Turner told KTVB-TV in Boise that he has been living at a motel and in his girlfriend's car and even in the past on park benches due to various financial and family issues.
After the television story aired, Boise State's compliance department warned boosters it would be an NCAA violation for them to provide any financial assistance to Turner.
Under the waiver, the 6-foot-3, 280-pound defensive end can receive -- among other items -- room and board from Boise State because he's now allowed on campus. Originally, he was scheduled to arrive for summer school.
Turner, who grew up in New Orleans, told KTVB he lost his mother to cancer when he was 4, had a strained relationship with his father and lost an uncle during Hurricane Katrina.
After that, he told the station, he ran drugs for gang members in the Lower Ninth Ward, until they realized he was playing sports during his senior year and "gave me a pass."
"I was playing football and I wasn't having to go home until late at night. That kept me out of the streets," he told KTVB. "... They may be thugs and they may be gangsters, but they actually cared. They kind of like gave me a pass."
Turner told KTVB that he then attended Fullerton Junior College in California, where he says he slept on park benches because he had nowhere to stay until the family of his girlfriend took him in. He was forced out six weeks ago because of government subsidized housing regulations.
He said he's been either sleeping at a motel or in his girlfriend's car in Fullerton since.
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So nice of the NCAA to give this boy a home. I'm glad they could over look their rules for his sake. I hope it didn't cause them much trouble though.
I have mixed feelings on this situation. I am glad they were able to help the kid out, but something just seems kind of weird that it was all brought to the media that this kid was homeless. There were plenty of people willing to help. He could have went and stayed with someone and it would have been no issue. I almost wonder if this is part of the push to try to get players paid.
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I think that, if the NCAA is to err, they should err on the side of helping kids who are coming into their member programs.
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So what will the future look like?
If the NCAA loses its antitrust cases, it's going to have to negotiate. Those negotiations could be drastically different than this forecast. Maybe outside compensation rules will be much more restricted, but players will get a bigger cut from licensing. Or maybe there will be a free market for outside compensation, but schools will get a larger cut of licensing revenue. Nobody really knows.
But here's what we do know: if players are allowed to negotiate for more money, and schools and boosters are allowed to pay recruits, then no matter what the specifics of the CBA are, the best players will go to the big schools. Football will drive financial decisions, and boosters will want to do everything they can to help their school win.
That sounds a lot like what we have now, except the players — the primary revenue-generators — will be getting fair market value. Not quite the explosion we've been warned of.
That's the ending to a pretty good article on what the case against the NCAA could lead to.
Forcasting the Future of College Sports
Basically they're saying that while everything is changing, in the end, nothing really changes..
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I think that, if the NCAA is to err, they should err on the side of helping kids who are coming into their member programs.
I agree, the problem is in the past there has been so much abuse that the NCAA has had to over legislate(damn that sounds familiar) to close every little loophole.
I still just have this feeling that this was a publicity opp for the proponents of paying athletes at the collegiate level. Just like the absurd caca that the kid from UCONN claiming he went to bed hungry at night.
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King . I know you work in the business , but you can't really believe the above ..
"Betterment of the Student body " . Then why is there such a big deal over TV coverages just for starters .. Your acting like it's the 1920 or 30's !
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King . I know you work in the business , but you can't really believe the above ..
"Betterment of the Student body " . Then why is there such a big deal over TV coverages just for starters .. Your acting like it's the 1920 or 30's !
Because it has become tainted by money, just like anything else that becomes about money.
Maybe for the general public is not about the betterment of the student body and the athletes, but for the most part ,for the people in the athletic depts it still is. Trust me, you dont get into sports administration at the collegiate level for the money.
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