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Bridgewater is the type of QB that Farmer likes.,

So add to it they may not take a QB @ 4..I expect it to be a playmaker..don't be shocked if it's Evans...and DJ don't be shocked if they go QB @ 26.

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Clemson officials have said the Browns have spent little to zero time with Watkins.The team that has spent the most with him is Detroit.

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So much linking Detroit and Watkins. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Browns to trade down with Detroit. Drop to 10, pick up Detroit's second rounder, take a CB at 10 (I'd go Fuller) and a QB at 26 (I'd go Bridgewater), then WR and OL or LB with the two second rounders.

I'd be okay with that.

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If these QB's aren't elite...and none of them are... there's no point in reaching for one out of desperation. We've reached high on lower-level QB's like Couch, Frye, McCoy, Quinn, and Weeden.

Buy where it's smart, not where it's out of fear. Take a much higher probability player early then spend a couple of picks to get back up and get a QB. There'll be a good one there because none of them are great.

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Carr - Check
Manziel - Check
Bridgewater - Check
Garropolo - Check
Savage - Check

All QB's we've been linked to.

We're taking Bortles.

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Clemson officials have said the Browns have spent little to zero time with Watkins.The team that has spent the most with him is Detroit.

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So much linking Detroit and Watkins. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Browns to trade down with Detroit. Drop to 10, pick up Detroit's second rounder, take a CB at 10 (I'd go Fuller) and a QB at 26 (I'd go Bridgewater), then WR and OL or LB with the two second rounders.

I'd be okay with that.

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That's a DREAM DRAFT and may very well happen.

I don't care if Watkins AND Mack are there at 4. Move down.

Pettine and O'Neil know what CB they want most. Take him at 10 be it Dennard, Gilbert or Fuller. Secondary COMPLETE.

Now we're LOADED with ammo. Move up to wherever we think we need to be to get Bridgewater. QB COMPLETE.

And then this is where we really load up.

If we can land Mathews at WR, Borland at ILB and the BEST available Day ONE starting OG, we're on our way to this "Win NOW" mantra.

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Clemson officials have said the Browns have spent little to zero time with Watkins.The team that has spent the most with him is Detroit.

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So much linking Detroit and Watkins. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Browns to trade down with Detroit. Drop to 10, pick up Detroit's second rounder, take a CB at 10 (I'd go Fuller) and a QB at 26 (I'd go Bridgewater), then WR and OL or LB with the two second rounders.

I'd be okay with that.

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That's a DREAM DRAFT and may very well happen.

I don't care if Watkins AND Mack are there at 4. Move down.

Pettine and O'Neil know what CB they want most. Take him at 10 be it Dennard, Gilbert or Fuller. Secondary COMPLETE.

Now we're LOADED with ammo. Move up to wherever we think we need to be to get Bridgewater. QB COMPLETE.

And then this is where we really load up.

If we can land Mathews at WR, Borland at ILB and the BEST available Day ONE starting OG, we're on our way to this "Win NOW" mantra.

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Sign me up

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We've reached high on lower-level QB's like Couch, Frye, McCoy, Quinn, and Weeden.

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Bridgewater is the type of QB that Farmer likes.,

So add to it they may not take a QB @ 4..I expect it to be a playmaker..don't be shocked if it's Evans...and DJ don't be shocked if they go QB @ 26.

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Ladies and gentlemen...We have witnessed the invention of a new word, thanks to Saint.

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We've reached high on lower-level QB's like Couch, Frye, McCoy, Quinn, and Weeden.

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I don't think we reached for Couch, I think any QB we took there was going to get beaten into submission so taking a QB was stupid. I don't think we reached on McCoy, taking him in the 3rd round is a reasonable investment, Frye about the same, 3rd round, not too bad... the fact that none of them worked out doesn't make them all a reach.

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We can debate until the cows come home about Couch. Some said the iffy lines caused him to fail, others say he just never had it regardless of the line. I'm of the latter belief. He was a spread QB who wasn't in possession of an NFL head. Regardless, taking your stance, we very-much can say the team reached for a QB because we didn't have one.

As for the rest, we can split hairs on the definition of a reach, but handing the reigns to mid-round duds...yeah...those were reaches and a horrific waste of valuable time.

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The discussion with a QB @26 is what I don't get. Whoever we pick there or even at 35 will be considered our franchise QB regardless, just like Weeden and Quinn. Why is it ok to take a QB there instead of securing him at 4? My point is, if they are not convinced any of the top guys is their fQB, then I'd rather have them select one in the 3/4 rounds and NONE with the top3 picks and go with Hoyer, at least that would be consequential. Picking a QB at 26/35 is wishy washy again. If it's BPA over need at 4, cool, but please do the same with the other top 50 picks. Why would it be ok to make a need driven pick there?

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To answer your first question, the word "value" speaks to why you don't take one of these guys at 4 while you take one of them later.

None of these guys are truly top-5 talents, but they are top-35 talents. Taking a dicey guy at 4 while virtual locks are sitting there is a risky move born from desperation. They shouldn't do it, and as I watched Mayock last night he's on board with that line of thinking. People should take heed and realize why it makes sense instead of wasting a high pick out of fear.

Taking Bridgewater later in the draft is taking him where his talent dictates. Not at 4, not at 104, but at the middle-to-end of the 1st round.

That's where I'm truly going with this. I believe Bridgewater has fallen because of that pro-day, and I also believe that pro-day is absolutely not who and what he is. His tape doesn't lie so he's going to fall into our laps if we elect to take advantage of it.

One of the true stud position players at 4 and Bridgewater in the mid-to-late 1st is where it's at.

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I agree with just about everything you said but why can't Bridgewater be BPA at #26 regardless if fans dub him the franchise QB or not?

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Please take teddy at 4

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I can't buy in. We're talking about going on two decades of failure and we're splitting hairs on "value" of a QB between picks 4 and 26. Sorry dude, no thanks, I'd give up the entire draft for a franchise QB, much less sit around and try to get value with the risk of someone else getting the guy I want.

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First off, what guarantees you that your highest rated QB, even if you have him 25th on your board, will be still there? Exactly, there is none and the gambling has begun.

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You know I'm the biggest value priest around, but with QBs? With our set of picks in this draft? Different animal, different value and grade scale.

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And yet NFL evaluators don't deem any single QB in this draft as a true "franchise QB" so what's the point of taking one at 4 when one of them will be there around 26?

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As for the rest, we can split hairs on the definition of a reach, but handing the reigns to mid-round duds...yeah...those were reaches and a horrific waste of valuable time.

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Cool.. I just bought the Ronco hair splitter and I've been dying to use it.

Handing them the reigns is the problem. Now I don't know if anything would have turned out differently but finding a 3rd round QB that is ready to start half the season in his rookie year (with sub par talent around him) and then take over in his second year is extremely rare.. and we tried to do it twice.

Only in QB-starved Cleveland can you draft a QB in the 3rd round and immediately dub him as the savior.. so I do not consider them reaches. I do believe that the fans (and perhaps the teams) expectations were way out of whack with reality.. but that's a different story. If we had a good stable QB, and drafted Colt McCoy in the 3rd round and all he ever did was play back-up, spot start due to an injury, etc.. nobody would consider it a reach... and that's what you expect from a 3rd round QB..

Two 3rd round QBs, one last 4 or 5 years in the NFL, the other is still currently on a roster and in his 5th year.. how many 3rd round QBs make it 5 years in the league?

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I can't buy in. We're talking about going on two decades of failure and we're splitting hairs on "value" of a QB between picks 4 and 26. Sorry dude, no thanks, I'd give up the entire draft for a franchise QB, much less sit around and try to get value with the risk of someone else getting the guy I want.

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Which is why I'm advocating a potential trade-up from 26 to get the guy. Follow the bouncing ball.

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There's no value in reaching for flawed QB's at 4. None. Taking one out of desperation makes my stomach turn.

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I agree with that and most of what you said about Bridgewater, but would you consider taking TB at 4 a desperation while you're willing to burn 2 or 3 picks to get the same player? That does not make much sense to me and I think you've pinned yourself into an argumentative corner here...

And of course you didn't tackle my biggest complaint of your "brilliant" scenario: you let other teams and GMs decide your fate at QB.

Also, if you're the Browns GM and you think you're smart enough to "value-pick" Teddy because of his pro day, don't you even ONCE think ONE other GM between picks 4 and, say, 15 has the same idea? So you're bet is the typical "smartest guy in the room" one. You would indeed make a perfect Browns GM

Oh, and as far as "safer prospects" goes: remember TRIch? Didn't you use the same argument pimping hard for him pre-draft?

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Well.' that's how I feel today.

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You have just described the overall 2014 draft analysis perfectly! Well done.

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Watkins at 4 and Bridewater at 26 would be extremely awesome!

More I think about it, more I believe the front office won't be looking at QB @ #4, so the above scenario would be beyond perfect IMO.

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If the "pro day debacle" didn't happen...Bridgewater would be the consensus #1 in this draft. Or at least, the choice for Houston would be between him and Clowney.

It's well known that the Browns didn't put a lot of stock into pro days...they barely even attended any.

It's a pretty telling report too. Probably money well spent.

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It trips me out how many people think differently of Teddy because of that day. Hopefully, it will work out to our favor.

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j/c

Looks like they spent $100K to become enamored with Bridgewater.

Browns spent $100,000 on advanced study of quarterbacks
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 8, 2014, 12:52 PM EDT


As the Cleveland Browns continue to search for a quarterback who would be worth the eight-figure salary that a franchise passer commands, they’ve spent a six-figure sum on trying to identify the best way to choose a quarterback.

According to Sal Paolantonio of ESPN, the Browns commissioned a study of the quarterback position that cost $100,000 and entailed a great deal of research into which qualities go into success at the most important position in football. The study began under former team President Joe Banner and was only recently completed, after Banner left.

The study, which used advanced analytics to examine every quarterback who has played in the last two decades, concluded that the best quarterback in this year’s draft is Teddy Bridgewater of Louisville.

What we don’t know is how much stock the current decision makers put in the study. If Banner thought it was useful but current General Manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine think the study is a bunch of hooey, then Browns owner Jimmy Haslam basically flushed $100,000 down the toilet. (Maybe he can make it up by withholding $100,000 worth of rebates from Pilot Flying J customers.) But if the Browns’ brass believes in the study, keep an eye on Bridgewater when the Browns’ second first-round pick comes up, at No. 26.

Enamored Central

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Looks like they spent $100K to become enamored with Bridgewater.

Browns spent $100,000 on advanced study of quarterbacks
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 8, 2014, 12:52 PM EDT


As the Cleveland Browns continue to search for a quarterback who would be worth the eight-figure salary that a franchise passer commands, they’ve spent a six-figure sum on trying to identify the best way to choose a quarterback.

According to Sal Paolantonio of ESPN, the Browns commissioned a study of the quarterback position that cost $100,000 and entailed a great deal of research into which qualities go into success at the most important position in football. The study began under former team President Joe Banner and was only recently completed, after Banner left.

The study, which used advanced analytics to examine every quarterback who has played in the last two decades, concluded that the best quarterback in this year’s draft is Teddy Bridgewater of Louisville.

What we don’t know is how much stock the current decision makers put in the study. If Banner thought it was useful but current General Manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine think the study is a bunch of hooey, then Browns owner Jimmy Haslam basically flushed $100,000 down the toilet. (Maybe he can make it up by withholding $100,000 worth of rebates from Pilot Flying J customers.) But if the Browns’ brass believes in the study, keep an eye on Bridgewater when the Browns’ second first-round pick comes up, at No. 26.

Enamored Central

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So.. the Browns spent 100K on this study.. then promptly handed the results to Sal Paolantonio to announce on Sports Center to the entire NFL 6 1/2 hours before the draft?
Bullcrap.

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SMOKESCREEN!!!

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j/c

Looks like they spent $100K to become enamored with Bridgewater.

Browns spent $100,000 on advanced study of quarterbacks
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 8, 2014, 12:52 PM EDT


As the Cleveland Browns continue to search for a quarterback who would be worth the eight-figure salary that a franchise passer commands, they’ve spent a six-figure sum on trying to identify the best way to choose a quarterback.

According to Sal Paolantonio of ESPN, the Browns commissioned a study of the quarterback position that cost $100,000 and entailed a great deal of research into which qualities go into success at the most important position in football. The study began under former team President Joe Banner and was only recently completed, after Banner left.

The study, which used advanced analytics to examine every quarterback who has played in the last two decades, concluded that the best quarterback in this year’s draft is Teddy Bridgewater of Louisville.

What we don’t know is how much stock the current decision makers put in the study. If Banner thought it was useful but current General Manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine think the study is a bunch of hooey, then Browns owner Jimmy Haslam basically flushed $100,000 down the toilet. (Maybe he can make it up by withholding $100,000 worth of rebates from Pilot Flying J customers.) But if the Browns’ brass believes in the study, keep an eye on Bridgewater when the Browns’ second first-round pick comes up, at No. 26.

Enamored Central

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So.. the Browns spent 100K on this study.. then promptly handed the results to Sal Paolantonio to announce on Sports Center to the entire NFL 6 1/2 hours before the draft?
Bullcrap.

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